Titleist pro v1 x+

Just saw Webb Simpson playing this ball at the tournament of campions. Spieth also said he was playing a new ball. Anyone have information and more details?

It's meant to be higher launch higher spin. And has the same overall feel as the 2011 pro v1 x

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It's meant to be higher launch higher spin. And has the same overall feel as the 2011 pro v1 x
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Will it be available retail?

Higher spin around the green or with the driver and irons? or both?

Is this the type of ball Monty has been talking about/

Both. It's a tour version only. Won't be for sale. They have all different types. There is a + on left a + on right They also have pro v1 dot balls. I do have a few dozen. Very costly though.
I don't think they are to much different to normal ball though

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Will it be available retail?
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NOPE.

If you want some "enlightenment" about the balls available to the tour players, go to the USGA website and look at the list of conforming balls. It's interesting what's deemed conforming that us normal humans will never lay eyes upon.

Tour Issue = $$$

Pro's are lucky enough to have companies properly fit them for balls. As the general public we get good options but not finely tuned ones as logistically it would be impossible. Maybe in future there will be little kiosks in golf shops that make a dozen on the spot for each person lol.

The "+" stands for plus trajectory. Titleist releases this tour only version with each new ProV1 generation. Titleist creates multiple prototypes of each model but only releases one for retail.

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If Tour Players are going to play "Special" Balls... then it should be part of the What's In The Bag found in Golf Digest and Golf Magazine... How many Pro V1x's are sold based upon us reading that Tour Players are using them??? I know pro's are not using off the shelf equipment, it is all tweaked, but there is nothing stopping any of us from modifying clubs to fit our game... but I always thought that the ball is what leveled the playing field... just like fuel at a NASCAR race... the teams don't provide it... all drivers are given the same fuel from the same batch...

I am a Huge Titleist Fan, and am willing to pay the premium because it is what a majority of the Pros play... but I am starting to feel like we are being cheated...

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......... but I always thought that the ball is what leveled the playing field...
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On the professional circuit, the ball definitely does NOT level the field. Those guys are good enough to shoot 65 with a Top Flite if it was necessary to do so. The ball is just another item of their equipment that is tweaked slightly to suit their personal preferences. If they all played off the shelf balls you'd see little to no difference in their games because they would adjust to the ball they were playing.

[quote name='H-Blade' timestamp='1388971184' post='8405135']
If Tour Players are going to play "Special" Balls... then it should be part of the What's In The Bag found in Golf Digest and Golf Magazine... How many Pro V1x's are sold based upon us reading that Tour Players are using them??? I know pro's are not using off the shelf equipment, it is all tweaked, but there is nothing stopping any of us from modifying clubs to fit our game... but I always thought that the ball is what leveled the playing field... just like fuel at a NASCAR race... the teams don't provide it... all drivers are given the same fuel from the same batch...

I am a Huge Titleist Fan, and am willing to pay the premium because it is what a majority of the Pros play... but I am starting to feel like we are being cheated...
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If your playing the latest prov1x because you think that's what the pro's are playing do yourself a favor and pick another ball that's just as good if not maybe better while saving some cash in the process.

The only Pro v1x I play are the ones I get for free from my wholesalers at work... other than than I play whatever... funny thing is I shoot 78-81 regardless..... oh and my rounds are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than my playing partners.

Like someone above said, Titleist creates prototypes of the new balls before they come out and based on player testing, launch monitor data they select one of the balls to be the "stock" ball. About 70% of the tour is using a "stock" or "shelf" ball... then, there are the higher Titleist Staff "Ambassadors" that spend more time at the facilities that truly dial in golf balls to specific needs and trajectories.

If you're a 4 handicap and think you need Titleist to release its tour prototypes to you then you're off the rocker. I've hit and tested several prototypes as a + handicap and I cannot discern a difference for a ball between the V1 and V1x. They make these two balls different enough that the better player can actually discern a difference between them... they're already "relatively" close to one another as is... if you put another ball between them you'd blur the lines even more. Titleist has come out with balls like this before to retail... remember the balls that had a * next to them. Well, all they did was create more SKU's and confuse the buying public. Titleist is pretty transparent when it comes to these things because they know how truly unique these balls are... if they were trying to pull one over on the public Zach Johnson wouldn't be on air talking about them.

Titleist isn't a BS company, the golf balls you can buy are the same those guys are playing. I spent some time inside the ropes and on the tour van at a PGA Tour event last summer... they opened a drawer and gave me several dozen balls... same packaging, same ball and same performance as the balls that come through the mail to pro shops at home. When you get to the tour and your swing repeats every time and you're in the winner's circle as much as Zach Johnson you're able to get things normal guys can't. I was at the Titleist Staff golf ball seminar at the PGA Show last year which is a closed event and Zach talked about this ball specifically in front of everyone in the room. It gave him a little more height on long irons without increasing driver spin... we're talking about 8-10 feet higher in the air with a long iron. It's not a ball that's gonna take him from winning $2M to $4M... you think a 15 handicap, 5 handicap, scratch player or hell even a +2 needs to worry about dialing in long irons 8 feet in the air with Doppler radar? The swing has to be consistent enough to produce the same shot and 99.9% of people's swings are more different swing to swing than the golf ball is going to perform.

The best thing you can do is pick a golf ball that reacts around the greens the way you want it to and play the same ball as often as you can afford.

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1389019213' post='8407529']
Like someone above said, Titleist creates prototypes of the new balls before they come out and based on player testing, launch monitor data they select one of the balls to be the "stock" ball. About 70% of the tour is using a "stock" or "shelf" ball... then, there are the higher Titleist Staff "Ambassadors" that spend more time at the facilities that truly dial in golf balls to specific needs and trajectories.

If you're a 4 handicap and think you need Titleist to release its tour prototypes to you then you're off the rocker. I've hit and tested several prototypes as a + handicap and I cannot discern a difference for a ball between the V1 and V1x. They make these two balls different enough that the better player can actually discern a difference between them... they're already "relatively" close to one another as is... if you put another ball between them you'd blur the lines even more. Titleist has come out with balls like this before to retail... remember the balls that had a * next to them. Well, all they did was create more SKU's and confuse the buying public. Titleist is pretty transparent when it comes to these things because they know how truly unique these balls are... if they were trying to pull one over on the public Zach Johnson wouldn't be on air talking about them.

Titleist isn't a BS company, the golf balls you can buy are the same those guys are playing. I spent some time inside the ropes and on the tour van at a PGA Tour event last summer... they opened a drawer and gave me several dozen balls... same packaging, same ball and same performance as the balls that come through the mail to pro shops at home. When you get to the tour and your swing repeats every time and you're in the winner's circle as much as Zach Johnson you're able to get things normal guys can't. I was at the Titleist Staff golf ball seminar at the PGA Show last year which is a closed event and Zach talked about this ball specifically in front of everyone in the room. It gave him a little more height on long irons without increasing driver spin... we're talking about 8-10 feet higher in the air with a long iron. It's not a ball that's gonna take him from winning $2M to $4M... you think a 15 handicap, 5 handicap, scratch player or hell even a +2 needs to worry about dialing in long irons 8 feet in the air with Doppler radar? The swing has to be consistent enough to produce the same shot and 99.9% of people's swings are more different swing to swing than the golf ball is going to perform.

The best thing you can do is pick a golf ball that reacts around the greens the way you want it to and play the same ball as often as you can afford.
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Well.... +1 on that!

To be honest I cant feel the difference between B330s and pro V1. The feel is exactly the same IMO. They just dont look the same. Who cares I pay half for my B330 than the pro v1´s.

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1389019213' post='8407529']
Like someone above said, Titleist creates prototypes of the new balls before they come out and based on player testing, launch monitor data they select one of the balls to be the "stock" ball. About 70% of the tour is using a "stock" or "shelf" ball... then, there are the higher Titleist Staff "Ambassadors" that spend more time at the facilities that truly dial in golf balls to specific needs and trajectories.

If you're a 4 handicap and think you need Titleist to release its tour prototypes to you then you're off the rocker. I've hit and tested several prototypes as a + handicap and I cannot discern a difference for a ball between the V1 and V1x. They make these two balls different enough that the better player can actually discern a difference between them... they're already "relatively" close to one another as is... if you put another ball between them you'd blur the lines even more. Titleist has come out with balls like this before to retail... remember the balls that had a * next to them. Well, all they did was create more SKU's and confuse the buying public. Titleist is pretty transparent when it comes to these things because they know how truly unique these balls are... if they were trying to pull one over on the public Zach Johnson wouldn't be on air talking about them.

Titleist isn't a BS company, the golf balls you can buy are the same those guys are playing. I spent some time inside the ropes and on the tour van at a PGA Tour event last summer... they opened a drawer and gave me several dozen balls... same packaging, same ball and same performance as the balls that come through the mail to pro shops at home. When you get to the tour and your swing repeats every time and you're in the winner's circle as much as Zach Johnson you're able to get things normal guys can't. I was at the Titleist Staff golf ball seminar at the PGA Show last year which is a closed event and Zach talked about this ball specifically in front of everyone in the room. It gave him a little more height on long irons without increasing driver spin... we're talking about 8-10 feet higher in the air with a long iron. It's not a ball that's gonna take him from winning $2M to $4M... you think a 15 handicap, 5 handicap, scratch player or hell even a +2 needs to worry about dialing in long irons 8 feet in the air with Doppler radar? The swing has to be consistent enough to produce the same shot and 99.9% of people's swings are more different swing to swing than the golf ball is going to perform.

The best thing you can do is pick a golf ball that reacts around the greens the way you want it to and play the same ball as often as you can afford.
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Pretty much sums it up. Well said.

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1389019213' post='8407529']
Like someone above said, Titleist creates prototypes of the new balls before they come out and based on player testing, launch monitor data they select one of the balls to be the "stock" ball. About 70% of the tour is using a "stock" or "shelf" ball... then, there are the higher Titleist Staff "Ambassadors" that spend more time at the facilities that truly dial in golf balls to specific needs and trajectories.

If you're a 4 handicap and think you need Titleist to release its tour prototypes to you then you're off the rocker. I've hit and tested several prototypes as a + handicap and I cannot discern a difference for a ball between the V1 and V1x. They make these two balls different enough that the better player can actually discern a difference between them... they're already "relatively" close to one another as is... if you put another ball between them you'd blur the lines even more. Titleist has come out with balls like this before to retail... remember the balls that had a * next to them. Well, all they did was create more SKU's and confuse the buying public. Titleist is pretty transparent when it comes to these things because they know how truly unique these balls are... if they were trying to pull one over on the public Zach Johnson wouldn't be on air talking about them.

Titleist isn't a BS company, the golf balls you can buy are the same those guys are playing. I spent some time inside the ropes and on the tour van at a PGA Tour event last summer... they opened a drawer and gave me several dozen balls... same packaging, same ball and same performance as the balls that come through the mail to pro shops at home. When you get to the tour and your swing repeats every time and you're in the winner's circle as much as Zach Johnson you're able to get things normal guys can't. I was at the Titleist Staff golf ball seminar at the PGA Show last year which is a closed event and Zach talked about this ball specifically in front of everyone in the room. It gave him a little more height on long irons without increasing driver spin... we're talking about 8-10 feet higher in the air with a long iron. It's not a ball that's gonna take him from winning $2M to $4M... you think a 15 handicap, 5 handicap, scratch player or hell even a +2 needs to worry about dialing in long irons 8 feet in the air with Doppler radar? The swing has to be consistent enough to produce the same shot and 99.9% of people's swings are more different swing to swing than the golf ball is going to perform.

The best thing you can do is pick a golf ball that reacts around the greens the way you want it to and play the same ball as often as you can afford.
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May be one of the best responses I've read to any post.

I understand everything what everyone is saying about the custom balls and how all but a few have access... what I don't like is what I call "false" hype that follows... how many folks on GolfWrx ran out and got a box of Hex Chrome + balls because Phil won The British Open with it??? He didn't, as we know now he used a Chrome ++... all I am looking for is truth in advertising...

[quote name='Hidalgo' timestamp='1389012817' post='8407147']

On the professional circuit, the ball definitely does NOT level the field. Those guys are good enough to shoot 65 with a Top Flite if it was necessary to do so. The ball is just another item of their equipment that is tweaked slightly to suit their personal preferences. If they all played off the shelf balls you'd see little to no difference in their games because they would adjust to the ball they were playing.
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I would actually like to see that... I had mentioned that before on this site.. wonder how a tournament would end up if they all played thier brands 2 piece Surlyn covered balls???

[quote name='H-Blade' timestamp='1389025766' post='8408181']
I understand everything what everyone is saying about the custom balls and how all but a few have access... what I don't like is what I call "false" hype that follows... how many folks on GolfWrx ran out and got a box of Hex Chrome + balls because Phil won The British Open with it??? He didn't, as we know now he used a Chrome ++... all I am looking for is truth in advertising...
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I bought them but it was because it's a low spin tour level ball for $21.99 :-)

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[quote name='Hidalgo' timestamp='1389012817' post='8407147']
On the professional circuit, the ball definitely does NOT level the field. Those guys are good enough to shoot 65 with a Top Flite if it was necessary to do so. The ball is just another item of their equipment that is tweaked slightly to suit their personal preferences. If they all played off the shelf balls you'd see little to no difference in their games because they would adjust to the ball they were playing.
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I would actually like to see that... I had mentioned that before on this site.. wonder how a tournament would end up if they all played thier brands 2 piece Surlyn covered balls???
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If they went through that transition over a few months ...... nothing would change. Because the Tour would set the greens up slower to hold better, and slow the fairways down a little to contain the added roll. EVERYTHING out there (on Tour) is adjusted to compliment everything else. The fairways, greens, clubs, balls .... you name it. It's a well orchestrated production that has every part in tune with the other. Don't forget that the players and their paychecks aren't the reason the game exists as it does today. There are sponsors to please, charities to support, and TV broadcasts to do. Wouldn't be much fun watching a "bogey-fest" for 54 holes because the greens were groomed for urethane and the players were playing surlyn. And Miller, Maltby, and the other announcers wouldn't have much to comment on when every ball bounced through and over the green. It's an entertainment business out there and they'll keep it that way at all costs.

So communist they won't release it retail!

J.W. that was probably the best post I've ever read on this website! But I did buy some pro v1 + 2013 version just because off of eBay, same price as in store so it was worth it.

J.W. that was indeed a downright sexy post.

I have a dozen Nike One Tour D*, which is a prototype and meant for one of the Nike staffers at the time of the 2010 PGA. Came in an all black box, same shape as regular box, but all black. One of my buddies was working that tournament and he got them and gave them to me. The way it was explained to him was that it was the Nike One Tour D w/ the Nike One Tour cover, but ?? Not sure if Titleist would do it the same way.

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J.W. that was indeed a downright sexy post.
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Still playing the Ansers?

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1389019213' post='8407529']
Like someone above said, Titleist creates prototypes of the new balls before they come out and based on player testing, launch monitor data they select one of the balls to be the "stock" ball. About 70% of the tour is using a "stock" or "shelf" ball... then, there are the higher Titleist Staff "Ambassadors" that spend more time at the facilities that truly dial in golf balls to specific needs and trajectories.

If you're a 4 handicap and think you need Titleist to release its tour prototypes to you then you're off the rocker. I've hit and tested several prototypes as a + handicap and I cannot discern a difference for a ball between the V1 and V1x. They make these two balls different enough that the better player can actually discern a difference between them... they're already "relatively" close to one another as is... if you put another ball between them you'd blur the lines even more. Titleist has come out with balls like this before to retail... remember the balls that had a * next to them. Well, all they did was create more SKU's and confuse the buying public. Titleist is pretty transparent when it comes to these things because they know how truly unique these balls are... if they were trying to pull one over on the public Zach Johnson wouldn't be on air talking about them.

Titleist isn't a BS company, the golf balls you can buy are the same those guys are playing. I spent some time inside the ropes and on the tour van at a PGA Tour event last summer... they opened a drawer and gave me several dozen balls... same packaging, same ball and same performance as the balls that come through the mail to pro shops at home. When you get to the tour and your swing repeats every time and you're in the winner's circle as much as Zach Johnson you're able to get things normal guys can't. I was at the Titleist Staff golf ball seminar at the PGA Show last year which is a closed event and Zach talked about this ball specifically in front of everyone in the room. It gave him a little more height on long irons without increasing driver spin... we're talking about 8-10 feet higher in the air with a long iron. It's not a ball that's gonna take him from winning $2M to $4M... you think a 15 handicap, 5 handicap, scratch player or hell even a +2 needs to worry about dialing in long irons 8 feet in the air with Doppler radar? The swing has to be consistent enough to produce the same shot and 99.9% of people's swings are more different swing to swing than the golf ball is going to perform.

The best thing you can do is pick a golf ball that reacts around the greens the way you want it to and play the same ball as often as you can afford.
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May be all true but the previous poster was commenting on misleading witb info provided by titleist pros (not picking on titleist as I'm sure all oems do it). If they aren't playing a regular old pro v1x the witb shouldn't say they are.

Titleist likely doesn't have much control over what something like Golf Digest is posting. I was actually present once overhearing a writer from Digest asking a player for pics and info on his WITB... it's not as specific as you might think. Some of these guys don't even know they're playing a prototype model. If you read Titleist's tour blog they are very transparent about the clubs or ball in play... they show those guys using something not necessarily available all the time. Example would the + ball, 503i, F3-05, etc.

There are a bunch of iterations out there. I'm just happy to keep plugging away with my Pro V1X. Sometimes I think too many options can be a bad thing...

I think most consumers understand that what we have available to us is not the same equipment that professionals are endorsing.