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17 year old wins Epson Tour event. https://www.epsontour.com/news/2025/local-amateur-mia-hammond-earns-first-epson-tour-victory-in-toledo

This got me to thinking. If I hit my ball into the trees and it hits a tree and rebounds back into the fairway but ends up in a divot, do I deserve a decent lie? And did I get lucky or unlucky? Just wondering.

One of the best posts I've read in this thread. Thank you.

I've been playing golf for the better part of 60 years and I've never seen what you are describing. Never.

I'm not exactly following what you are trying to say here. Exactly what is it that these people are gleeful about?

I believe the official Rules of Golf clearly define what is and what isn't fairway. Not really, lol.

Did I miss seeing this somewhere on here? Plantation Golf Club is now The Club at Frisco Farms and is part of Arcis Golf.

Where did you play? And I did take a look at the UTSA's roster but couldn't get a feel for which one of the girls you are talking about. Curious to know who but understand if you had rather not tell us.

I was told that there would be no math involved.

Here's my anecdotal "evidence" that absolutely proves nothing. A few years ago I was playing with an Epson Tour player and a buddy. We get to the back nine and she says she'll play against our best ball no strokes for $10 a person. She was a legit scratch, my buddy was a 10 and I was a 7. Not only did we win but I beat her straight up with an even par back nine to her 1 over. But I'm also under no illusions that she was all that focused. She literally didn't give a s***.

You all will have to get over it forgive me if this has already been talked about in this now 33 page thread but I'm old and can't remember what I may or may not have read 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30 pages ago😉 Doesn't it simplify things if you simply base everyone's handicap off the same course rating and slope? Either base the women's handicap off the men's rating or vice versa. Seems that would at least give you a better handicap comparison and reveal a little better how they match up.

What is the course rating and slope for the course they played?

Saw Grace Kim when she played at my home course and won a WAPT event in 2021. At one point in the final round, she led by 9 shots and ended winning by 2.

Couldn't tell for sure but doesn't the 18th hole also play a tad downhill?