Valtiel

It's 100% a technical issue based on this and previous swings from the OP. There are instances where it can be mental, but that is almost always within very technically sound swings, which unfortunately this isn't based on my feedback above. If you're rotating incorrectly and coming towards the ball *without* losing spine angle to compensate then you're simply moving in a way that is going to get the club coming from way outside and hosel first, which is what's happening here.

You're rotating flatter in the backswing with the upper body via your hands going inside early. Your hand path needs to get more vertical going back with the feeling of your left shoulder working down under your chin going back, not up and across it like it is now. You're currently getting stuck a little deep/inside/steep via your hands getting too far behind you and the club getting across the line at the top. A feeling you can visualize is that all your arms do is lift upwards in the backswing while your shoulders take care of the "around". Right now your hands are sucking back inside in the backswing and the club is getting really flat...then steepening at the top (across the line)....then rerouting back to flat again in the downswing. It's more/bigger moving parts that require more timing, and if going back flat you either have to commit to *staying* very flat via keeping the club laid off (think Jon Rahm or Daniel Berger), or you have to learn to back steeper. Also you're still addressing the ball out of the toe which, if you're hitting too many toe strikes now, is because you aren't losing hip depth anymore and coming towards the ball. You might want to consider centering the ball in the face at address.

Hey you're a dad, you KNOW what 25-30y ago feels like these days...

Cheers! And yes you're correct, but the main checkpoint there is weight distribution heel/toe. After that adjustment you need only (mainly) make sure that your foot pressure slightly favors the balls of your feet, think 60/40. The other checkpoint is you hips relative to your ankles...make sure they don't get behind them too much (or at all really). From there you have the levers and the balance to keep yourself rotating in place and prevent coming forwards so long as you sequence your pressure shifting correctly (more on that if you want some pointers there).

This is definitely me these days being a new dad, and was definitely me last week lol. I played like absolute dog**** by my standards while reminding myself that I hit several REALLY good shots that were purely a product of better pressure sequencing. Even the shots that feel borderline and feel yucky still produce way better results on average. I flagged a 6i from 195y with *zero* curve after hitting a drive OB left because i'm an idiot, and even though that 6i swing didn't actually feel that great, I saved par because of it. For me it's definitely a "less curvature on bad swings" kind of improvement that even during bad rounds keeps the confidence up because I know there is an anchor in there that will keep bogeys from becoming doubles. This is long term improvement btw, and it was based *purely* on gaining the understanding of sequencing on paper fomr a ground force/pressure trace standpoint. It took a lot of practice to correct of course after spending a lifetime as a junior golfer doing it wrong, but now it's something that I can count on even if I don't touch a club for 6+ months. My drive suffers from the layoff, but my irons don't.

And I mean.....we all know *why* that is 😅

He's saying what i'm saying....sequencing. When and where your pressure is moving in relation to your hand/arm swing. You can spike the **** out of a ground force plate like a competitive LD and still be out of sequence, but get your pressure in the right places at the right time (relative to your hand/arm swing) and you stand a far better chance at rotating correctly and getting your low point where it needs to be, both of which reduce compensations and increase consistency/accuracy/efficiency.

A lot of that is going to come down to posture which I should have mentioned in the initial post. Your ball may be an inch further, but several other parts of your body are further forward as well. Head/eyes, shoulders, butt etc etc. If you're only looking at feet position and ball position then a big chunk of the story is missing. If you look at the two of you, imagine where you would draw a vertical line to roughly represent your centers of mass. You'd find that yours is further forward than hers. With your feet in this same position if you assumed the same posture with your legs that she has (critically the forward tilt of the shins and rearward tilt of the thighs) then your butt and upper body would all move slightly back away from the ball which would put you at a better distance from it. So i'll amend the incomplete statement that you're "too close to the ball" to say "your posture is putting you too forward" and that you need to get more of that balanced zig-zag in the legs to get yourself better balanced and oriented. You mentioned that your knee break is disguised by your pants, and while that's likely a little bit true, we can see with this overlay that you can't have much under there given where your butt is in relation to hers for the same foot placement, if that makes sense.

Correcting sequencing via improving the timing of pressure shifting absolutely can and regularly does improve accuracy because to do this correctly is to better enable correct pelvic rotation which in turn reduces problems like early extension and the compensations therein that cause inconsistency. If you already sequence correctly (which most don't) then improving GRF is mostly a speed thing. But if you don't then you stand to gain a lot in both speed AND consistency.

As a means of understanding the broad and very important concept of "when" in the swing, absolutely. It's pretty straightforward to show someone a video that shows when pros shift and how that likely differs significantly from the person that struggles with sequencing. Actually having plates to measure the individual attempting to improve would definitely be preferable should they struggle with the actual implementation of the concept, but no one can argue that seeing it and understanding it on paper isn't a net benefit.

Or if you're Jordan Spieth, both! At various times!

Scottie made some very significant changes to his takeaway and backswing between his amateur competitive years and turning pro.

That's still very similar the gif I posted compared to address: This is not square. It's not super open, and maybe this edges towards being less than PGA tour average, but definitely not square when you look at where the hip joints are at impact. This is what square hips at impact looks like:

Na is a pretty "tour average" at being double digit degrees open, if we're being accurate. Albeit with a touch of "hump".

You've done some solid leg work trying to get to the bottom of it, but here is what I think is missing: You're already pretty close to the ball at address and you get *way* closer with your upper body in the backswing and downswing. You compensate for this in a bit of an uncommon way in that you really pull your hands in tight and exit very left: This brings the toe strike into play more, especially with this: Notice how your hands drop down and *back* noticeably at the top? This is a steepening move happening at the same time you're continuing to lean in towards the ball. This gets you coming down a little too inside/under plane and when you combine with the really low/left exit is something that just aligns the toe more with the ball. The solution to this isn't super clear IMO. It's a chicken/egg problem of which of these elements came first and which is compensating for which, but generally speaking you'll want to try not leaving your arms so "up" and dropping them "back" like this in transition as that is the main thing getting you stuck under a bit. A feeling of an "over the top" move slightly would be interesting to see in case that neutralizes you in transition or not, and you'll definitely need to work on maintaining your depth/distance from the ball better if you're going to be standing that close. A face on view would be needed to see to what extent this could be related to pressure shifting sequence (it likely is).

This happens in any field where knowledge/measurements/technology advances in ways that call into question certain "older" ways of thinking, and the bickering the occurs between parties on either side of that fence. Yes it can get tedious, but so is being in a qualified professional position on the "current" side of the fence having to yell back over said fence at people who still want to talk about things in "old" ways that are increasingly proven to be less and less correct as time goes on. Golf instruction and swing theory is a weird field where people with no real experience or qualifications regularly talk over those with it and act like their ideas and concepts are equal or even *better* sometimes. There aren't many other complex fields that have that dynamic, and it's partially because the golf swing has tons of grey AND partially because there are lots of terrible instructors with bad ideas themselves. It's a pretty poorly regulated field, and that empowers the laymen to jump into the ring and speak authoritatively on things they likely shouldn't be, and to anyone else that doesn't know any better that often isn't apparent. So IMO it's not an "everyone stop bickering!" thing, it's a "instructors try to be more patient and amateurs try to listen more and ask questions", but if the latter isn't respected then you can't expect infinite patience from the former.

It's all still the same stuff from your previous thread. You're stuck on your back leg and coming forward in the downswing. With the box you're simply *resisting* coming towards the ball more via restricting your overall rotation a bit, but the move you're making is still actively pushing you forward towards the ball so when the box isn't there you aren't resisting as much anymore: Notice the position of your hands and head at impact compared to address. Both pushing towards the ball with the box, both pushing MORE towards the ball without it. And when we add frames to the other swing... We can see you're trying to rotate *without* having properly shifted into your front side, so all that happens if you keep falling forward towards your toes and getting closer to the ball. A face on view would likely confirm this, but you have to do the things I mentioned in the previous thread. Get on your back leg earlier so you can get OFF it early in transition and be driving with your front leg. If you're falling towards the ball and up on both sets of toes coming into it/through it then you aren't doing all that enough.

Your release is what it is largely because it has to be based on how you're actually swinging the club. I could tell what the problem was going be before you even hit the ball because it's in your practice swing as well. You're doing the following: 1) Rolling the club very open in the backswing 2) Collapsing your right arm/elbow very early and getting it stuck behind you 3) Hinging your wrist very late in the backswing, and when you do... 4) Collapsing your wrist angles at the top and allowing the club to flop across the line (pointed right) When the club goes from here.. ...to here... ...you're gonna have a bad time. Your left wrist is cupped and your right wrist is flat which is generally the opposite of what you need at the top. A cupped wrist *can* be ok in other scenarios but this isn't one so we can consider it an issue. This is overall a very very common set of issues that tend to stem from that fact that swinging the club like this (rolling the face open, collapsing the wrists at the top) feels easy to do. It allows you to swing "longer" without actually having to work "harder" if that makes sense, but the trade off is that the club gets completely out of position and you're forced to compensate in the downswing, which you do by dropping the club down behind and swinging really far from the inside. This can feel manageable on the range when there is less stress because misses aren't the end of the world, but the problem is that delivering the club like this makes a wide miss (low pull left, high block right) far more common than the manageable draw you're likely hoping for. You'll want to start be working on a practice swing/routine that starts moving you away from this pattern. Eric Cogorno has a good video on this, although I would ignore the shallowing/steep language as you're actually doing something *less* common from the top which is getting *overly* shallow and inside in the downswing which is why you really need to roll your hands over a ton through impact. The goal is to learn to feel proper wrist conditions going back and at the top to stop what you're currently doing which is just letting the club collapse everything and get into bad positions. This will likely feel weird and restricted initially, and it should, because you're currently clearly used to something that is completely loose/floppy and unrestricted which is causing most of your issues. You'll likely want to start with a shorter club than driver and spend time getting used to the feel of keeping the club more on plane via keeping that left wrist flatter and the right wrist folded back. Do NOT let those flip around like you're doing now at the top. Once you can get used to making practice swings like that, keep that as part of your routine and start hitting balls with that feel to see what happens. It should be lousy to start with as you'll need time to get used to it, so check yourself on video and make sure you're not letting the club do what it's doing in those screenshots above and post some follow up videos if you can.

The driver grip looks 3 years older than the shaft it's on 😆

It's a pretty deep dive, but the nutshell version is that you aren't setup to rotate correctly with your lower body and likely don't really know *how* yet either. This is one of the many "common colds" in the golf swing, because rotating and sequencing correctly with the lower body is not something you can just go do intuitively. Everything AMG discusses in this popular video is relevant to you and what you're doing wrong, as they highlight with the "Am" example. You're setup straight legged and "unathletic" at address and you turn towards the ball in both the backswing and the downswing, which is what causes early extension as you need to "stand up" to make contact if you're progressively moving towards the ball throughout the swing. I made a graphic here that many people found useful as a way to illustrate this. Fixing this is hard....it's like learning how to do a cartwheel as an adult. The unintuitive sequence of learning to rotate what will feel like "away" from the ball in both the backswing and the downswing in order to *not* come towards it AND learning how to sequence your weight shift ahead of the upper body components of the swing to make this happen are all things that are pretty 180* from what you're doing now. Your overrunning backswing position (especially with the longer clubs) can also make this feel impossible as you're also having to manage the club getting out of position at the top in a way that everything has to work around. The face-on videos @MonteScheinblum wants to see will help highlight this as well.

Yeah the key IMO is to actually have the correct intention and to be actually consciously working on changing something *enabled* by moving more slowly. The slowing down component being necessary to break out of whatever framework you're trapped in when moving quickly.

Pretty solid looking honestly, i'd just be curious how this scales as you attempt to apply real power. Hip wise it looks like all the basics are there, although face-on would be needed to say for sure. No stalling that matters that I can see, just a face on view needed to make sure you're shifting/rotating in sequence. The backswing is a little flat/inside but nothing too crazy. You're kinda doing that one-plane Zach Johnson-esque thing that will produce a pretty consistent flat draw if you continue swinging that way and it doesn't get out of hand when power is applied.

This is pretty common...the over-drawer with a poor concept of where they're actually aiming, so it's good this was identified. Can you confirm for sure that it is only "at times"? Based on what you're describing you're likely struggling with managing an overly inside path and a shut face which is often accompanied/preceded by an inside takeaway. I would be surprised if you're only inside sometimes and not others...most people don't flip around like that. It might *feel* like you are, but it's usually not the case. However there might be an alignment related reason for this which i'll speculate about below. Video would be needed to say for sure regardless of my guesses. This is what supports the "overly inside path" guess as this is exactly what happens (combined with some alignment stuff that i'll touch on next). You're swinging the club too far from the inside and you're hitting your limit as to what you can manage. The further away you are from "neutral" in terms of club path coming into the ball, the more you have to generate extreme face to path relationships, and the more extreme the more likely you get the nasty two-way miss you're describing. I'd wager you're managing a very shut face throughout the swing as well. Regarding where you're aiming and how that is changing the results, i'll make another guess based on the most common reason for this. We've already established that you're inaccurate when it comes to assessing where you're actually aiming as identified by the pro, and i'd wager that when aiming either further to the left or more "middle" that you're not actually changing your whole body alignment, but rather just your foot alignment. It's a common mistake as we tend to want to maintain some kind of "connection" to where we want the ball to end up, so we jostle our feet around while keeping our head/shoulders more pointed at where we want the ball to end up. All this does is muck with your swing plane as there is a tendency to take the club back along our foot line and swing down on our shoulder line, which as you can imagine creates problems in proportion to how disconnected those two elements are. If you're managing a shut face and your "stock" shots are aiming 30y left into the rough and kind of pull-drawing it back into the fairway then i'd guess you already have a bit of this misalignment there (shoulders likely open relative to feet, the most common alignment issue). When you aim more down the middle you're potentially squaring this up and the straight shot you're hoping for isn't going to happen because you're delivering a shut face less from the inside, ergo dead pull to the right. When you attempt to flip this and aim way further left and you separate your foot/shoulder alignment even more then you get into the "stuck inside/under" territory coming down and block it way right. When you put down alignment sticks at the range tomorrow do this while taking video; have one on your feet, take your stance, then place one across your shoulders (you can use a club for this too, anything straight). Go back and check on video where the alignment sticks are pointing. You'll want to then recreate those course conditions too via changing your alignment in the ways you described to reproduce that pull/block two way miss. Ideally you'd video all of this first before checking alignment though just so we can see what's actually going on, then mess with the sticks.

Eh, not *too* unusual but that is what I was thinking as well re: "I wonder if he'll keep shifting...". If I had to guess he had a very ingrained feel of steepening the club in the backswing so he had to exaggerate the hands going out and the club coming "in" + the pretty flat shaft at P2.5/P3 in order to ultimately get to the position at the top which i'd imagine he might have been working backwards from. It wouldn't surprise me to see those exaggerations clean up a bit like you said once the whole thing gets integrated. His putter is really the weak link though and it's taken being lights out with the iron game to cover for that.