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I generally scrub my grips weekly with dawn and a scrub brush. I play 2-3 times per week and also will go to the short game area and range at my club another 2-3 days per week. So I am harsh on my grips. So between gripping firm and use I have noticed wear spots forming faster on Z cords than they used to. Just my two cents.

Long time midsize Z cord user but I am on my third set of grips this year. They seem to be wearing very fast, not sure why. Did not really have this problem in the past. I am curious about the Iomic Stickies. I have touch and gripped them on used clubs as my local SS but unsure if I want to commit. I am assuming you are happy with them? I do grip the club pretty firmly

Interesting. Glad the experts are here. I will grab another cup of coffee off the support group table

My divots are definitely on the larger side. I am pretty sure it is just a function of my feeling like I am trying to cover the ball with my chest. Funny you mention pressure shift. I have a huge tendency to hang back on my trail side, especially with driver. Personally, I do not think that staying more behind it with driver is the answer. I still think the feeling of covering the ball with the driver is the way, which when the clubs get longer it is more imperative to get to the lead side. I could be way off base here, but this leads me to my next point regarding your post which is shot shape. I typically feel the more I am on my lead side at impact the easier it is to hit the fade. Whether the ball starts on line and falls right or is more of a pull cut I think will vary

Great discussion so far. @iacas just fyi, your input on this topic is interesting. Wonder if you are some sort of outlier or would you go as far to see that maybe eye dominance is irrelevant? The ball isn’t moving so maybe we just all see things differently and we need to understand that? Also, something I had not considered at all is depth perception in the non dominant eye.

This is my point. Maybe there is something, maybe there isn’t. Just trying to hear some opinions. If it’s all bunk, then fine, I will continue to play my game and won’t lost any sleep over this. Same if it isn’t.

Something unique to the best players who are right eye dominant is when the head is looking at or towards the target during impact. Look at Tiger and Jack, head is still down, I am presuming because the left eye can still see the ball. Stenson, Sorenstam, Duval their heads are looking down the target line. Now they also have 3 different grip strengths. Duval is super strong, Stenson seems slightly strong and Annika looks neutral. Again, I don’t think it’s hard and fast. I think there are commonalities.

Totally fair. I don’t believe these are hard and fast traits like I said. Just some commonalities. so for example, how do you aim? Do you use and intermediate point? Look at your target?

I can’t, I assuming. Outside of things that are measurable with the golf swing, how can we know for sure unless he states it. But I assume he is because of the traits listed above. Early in his career when he played a fade, those traits seemed like they applied to him. These traits help my game. Maybe they will help some others. The traits don’t help you, that’s fine. There is no one size fits all. I started this to try to start a discussion. Not have the usual BS occur. And here we are.

I am trying to offer some people who are struggling some potential advice. Maybe support group was a strong term. Simple math, majority of population if same side dominant. Hence majority of golfers are. So I assume people are and don’t even know it. People come here to learn. If this doesn’t apply to you, just move on. You said your swing issues have nothing to do with your eye dominance. If you are sure of it, then why bother getting involved if you are just looking to nit pick? And out of curiosity, how do you know your swing issues are not related to your eye dominance?

Also correct, but maybe he couldn’t turn through the ball as hard as he could when he was younger. So maybe his fade became less reliable. I don’t know the reason he switched. He has also gone on record stating his great weakened over time because he couldn’t turn through at the same speed as when he was younger.

Nowhere did I state these are hard rules. Just something I have discussed with another member here who really knows his stuff. So again, just trying to start a discussion. You do not have to be a part of it

I did state I know nothing of the credibility. Just that there is info out there. I think most people have no clue if they are aimed correctly, which in this case would be you stating “using your eyes all your life”. So maybe you are an exception, maybe I am an exception, again, who the hell knows for sure If you don’t need to be part of a support group you do not have to post in here. Just taking the other side because that’s your usual posting situation then fine, but for some people this is an actual way to play golf. If you play another way, that’s great man. Good luck and God bless.

I totally agree with this. Stronger grip, open stance, played a reliable fade.

For actual proof, not entirely sure about anything scientific. It has been written and talked about. How credited these are, who knows https://richardhughesopticians.ie/a-clear-vision-for-success-survey-results-on-eye-dominance-among-elite-golfers/ https://theleftrough.com/eye-dominance-in-golf/ Dr Greg Rose of TPI has a good snippet in this one: https://golf.com/instruction/struggle-alignment-eye-dominance-play-smart/?srsltid=AfmBOopyOXhx-sgUQ8weqCEDOqthZyAp-OYncWZiKqSNqNOU1as699jt I will say this from personal experience. The bigger turn I make, the fatter I hit it. I generally struggle with the Justin Rose keep the back to the target idea. “Neutral” grip, all shots are weak and fall short and right. Under pressure, my right shoulder stalls during my pivot. When I am playing my absolute best (been a steady 2 handicap for about 4 years now), all of shots are pull cuts. If I start drawing the ball, trouble is knocking on my doorstep. Coincidence? Honestly no clue. Do you know your eye dominance?

You are correct, majority of the population is same side dominant. However, I have seen info stating somewhere in the neighborhood of 75-85% of tour pros are cross dominant. I believe that elite golfers who are same side dominant have most of these traits. I could be way off base, but not entirely sure I am

After seeing a very good post from @virtuoso regarding right hand and right eye dominant golfers, I think it is time to start a topic on this. He and I have touched on this via PM before, and I have been hesitant to start a thread on it, but I think it would be good to get a discussion going. Being rear eye dominant poses some issues in the golf swing. I think we tend to have less than 90 degrees of shoulder turn in the backswing (otherwise we lose sight of the ball), tend to be overall more open at impact or the right shoulder stalls (seems to me that a big lateral hip shift happens before the shorter backswing ends), have to play with a stronger grip and more shut face through the bag due to being more open at impact, and the big one to me is feel like we are looking at the target before impact even happens, sort of like Stenson and Sorenstam. Also, I think a really important part of this is we should favor much more of a pull cut or straight shot. At setup, I generally feel like I have to have my right eye directly above the ball, from drives, irons, chipping and putting. It makes covering irons way easier and the slight pull cut is easily attainable. I also believe using an intermediate point for alignment is difficult because a spot on the ground looks way off to me. So to step in to any shot I have to be looking out at my target, never at the ground. But I always find it very difficult to be consistent with driver because of the “on top of the ball” nature of the setup. Of If I play the ball too far forward and my head starts tilting to see the ball, absolute disaster ensues and my swing becomes the unfolding lawn chair we all know too well. And if I do set up with my rear eye over the ball and add some spine tilt, I still have an awkward looking setup and feel terribly uncomfortable. I find as a rear eye dominant player with driver that I either get way too quick and I snap hook the snot out of it or it’s just a straight push. I have a very hard time playing the Dustin Johnson slight pull cut. Would love to hear others thoughts on this. I feel like a support group for the rear eye dominant golfer is needed. In case anyone missed it, here is @virtuoso list of his ideas on right eye dominance: Right eye dominant people set up with a certain neck alignment to keep their right eye on the ball. In order to move the body in a way that accommodates that they should: Have a stronger grip Take it back more inside and handle moves more out in transition Shaft tends to shallow more in tranny as handle moves out Have the face angle more closed Not turn the hips back quite as much Less pelvis lateral shift coming down and sternum stays on top of pelvis more (less torso tilt away from target) Have a flatter swing plane Have a much more active torso rotation through the ball More forward handle lean More straight to slight fade Lower traj Less forearm rotation through impact Head swivels targetward earlier in downswing More Cowx Type B release (left wrist moving into flexion to square face)