TheOverratedPhotog

Agree, but you can create a higher CG without having to 3DP print an iron or using tungsten. The whole benefit of the 3DP was the weight saving allowing them to put more tungsten in a smaller iron. The other benefit was getting the feel of a forged iron because the mesh feels and sounds solid, rather than the clacky sound you get from hollow back irons. I guess we're hypothesising but if they could do it on a blade for a pro, or if it would add value, I am guessing they would have tried it already.

The challenge is what advantage does the 3DP give with an mb? The key difference for the sponsored players if they can ask for a minor mod to the shape and cobra can generate the club within two weeks, but 3-D printing an MB won’t really offer much in the line of performance improvements. The reason it gives performance improvements with the current 3DP tour is the mesh design allow them to produce a lighter iron, and then doing so they can put in more tungsten, hence they make a forgiving club without increasing the shape of the club or weight. It’s the tungsten that makes the lower centre of gravity, which in turn means a higher launch and having to deloft the club to meet the required launch window. When you deloft the club, you decrease spin. So the only way to get a 3DP tour with more spin, is to bend it a few degrees weaker, which will give you a much higher launch, but it would probably still travel the same distance as an MB. The alternatives are using high spin balls and shafts but there is a limit.

Yeah. It’s sometimes entertaining because I’ll hit it and say “oh, I didn’t get that” and it hits the green and my playing partners look at me like I’ve lost my mind and i don’t know when I have hit the middle of the club.

I have the original Limit3D and I have the 3DP's in 3I and GW. I've never had issues with needing spin stabilising flight but I hit the ball pretty straight. That said, I will say that generally the tungsten in the modern heads allows for a slightly straighter ball flight, as the weight isn't as centrally located, so you have less of an impact with off centre hits. With the 3DP as an example, there is tungsten in the hosel which helps reduce the club face twisting on off centre hits. Let me be clear, not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying you can't look at single elements (like spin) of a club in isolation.

I’m confused. Why do you say the ones now are for higher spin swings? With a lot of modern clubs, higher spin isn’t as important as it once was. That’s why many modern clubs have moved away from high spin. Stopping power on a green is dictated by both spin and approach angle so provided your approach angle exceeds 45 degrees, the spin required isn’t as high.

I found the forgiveness on my 3DP iron better than the T200 utility iron which was a much thicker iron than the standard T200. I would say it's on a par with a lot of game improvement irons, but it doesn't have the hot spot issue that game improvements have.

Well, apparently despite having an Internet connection you don’t understand his popularity. The problem is popularity and appeal are subjective. There isn’t a fixed recipe for success. Plenty of other YouTubers have pros and don’t achieve the same success. I’d hazard a guess you’re over 50 which is why he doesn’t appeal to you. It’s not an insult, just different demographics to what would appeal to different people, like different tastes in music or sports. As I mentioned, the younger generation of golfers at our course only watch YouTube golf, not PGA events. The look for different things in videos. The try replicate videos so the up side is that it’s inspiring the next generation of golfers. They want people that are real in front of the camera. They find pga events boring. My dad would never have watched YouTube golf. He was a traditionalist. I’m a fence sitter. I watch both but the generations younger than me are built different.

I think you need to check the net worth on some of these youtube stars. Mr beast was offered a billion for his channel and does nearly half a billion in revenue every year. He may not be a golfer, but youtube is big money.

That's revenue based purely on viewership. They make 5 times that in endorsements. He has shares in tokomo and other companies.

I think people are vastly underestimating the situation. The guy isn't a narcissist as some have claimed. He is a golfer and a businessman. Not just a businessman, a very successful one at that, I'm guessing the guy is earning in excess of $5 million a year. The guy is a big enough name to be snagging videos with Tiger and Rory doing the kinds of things he is doing now. People will argue that the PGA is doing him a favour but let's be realistic here, Grant isn't winning a PGA event any time in the near future so what is in it for him? He’s probably going to go out and miss a cut, so what is the PGA offering him other than an opportunity to experience something most people dream about. At this point he’s playing the duels with Rahm, Bryson and Phil so I'm guessing playing with some of the best isn't as big a deal as it once was. So, I think he's right to ask for exclusions. He isn't going to post a video live which is when the prime viewership is being experienced for the PGA. It’s going to get cut and edited for days before it gets posted, but what it will do is change the landscape of media rights the next time they get negotiated, so allowances are made for YouTube golfers. He may not get what he wants now, but he will get it in future. A lot of people will say the PGA doesn't need youtubers, but the next generation of golfers don't watch PGA events. At my course, there is a generation of golfers who haven't watched a televised PGA event ever, but they watch heaps of youtube golf. It’s sad, but the younger generation are different to us. Television rights only mean something if people are watching and the numbers are reducing. Specific Examples: The final round of the PGA Houston Open was down significantly from previous years, including a 34% drop from 2015. The 2025 PGA Championship first round average viewership dropped under 1 million, after years of being above that mark. Round 3 of the 2025 PGA Championship was down 12% from 2024, and the first two rounds also saw decreases. Grant Horvat is currently get 15-16 million views a month. Let that sink in. The problem with the way we look at golf is that we look at who is best, and we think that's entertainment. The next generation want their golf to be entertaining, friendly banter between golfers, and the likes of Wyndham Clark isn't making the PGA any easier to watch.

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