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It oddly is and yes the Womens Open great and I actually try to watch it. I think it because the courses they play, as I love links golf. I dont watch any other women's majors though 🤔

Up there every week. I heard 1. Members where not happy 2. numbers not penciling. No idea on No.1 but I can see No. 2 being accurate. Troon was just managing from what I understood and the cost to manage to cost club paying did not align for either party.

The DP Tour actually owns the Ryder Cup. If the report the PGAT did is acurrate and sure it was, it showed that DP Tour survives pretty much on the TV contract and other aspects from the Ryder Cup. *sorry dont recall specifics but seemed the PGAT findings on investing more into the DP Tour...it was a complete waste besides the Ryder Cup Edit: As known the DP Tour asked the PGAT to invest more years before LIV. They said no, which econmics the PGAT should have said no. LIV approches DP Tour when starting up and suddenly the PGAT wanted to exercise its right to investment more. If not there could have been a chance the DP Tour and PIF made some arrangement.

I read the same. I read recently I think between Adelaide and the JCB event add up to about 60%-70%. Maybe they keep moving to different places trying to find locations that draw enough to help or reduce loss.

So from all your post it seems you feel golf, professional golf that is, is US ONLY? That other pro golf is just minutiae? When it comes to a business plan per se, since you note economics should be be a factor in the discuss then why care what they are doing? Everyone says the PGAT is fine, so let them do there thing tell they get bored. Its an odd view honestly if you think econmics should not matter. All this is, pro golf, is a business and in business econmics are all that matters. I will bite though, If econmics dont matter why did the PGAT need a investment of 1.5 Billion?

@bscinstnct is dead on serving other areas of the world. Yet your post is spot on golf in the US is overserved.

Not sure all the laugh facing on this post, I believe him. 10 X 0 .....is still ZERO... Joking aside looking at the sponsors in the last event, a few other events this year compared to year one. Adding in some of the teams have done endorsement deals with clubs companies now. Could be true given where it started as they really started pretty much with nothing 4 years ago.

Well how players get out of position on the PGAT is pretty obvious. They fall behind, but that never happens as we know as ALL of them for the most part play slow. Yes a lot of money on the line but still. So you dont see the gapping of groups to create "out of position" Again money on the line but watching a two some play 18 holes in 4.5 hours is pretty crazy. As to the "40 seconds to play a shot" I thought was applied to the second / third players. *depend on groupings That at times is carzy as those players have been standing by their ball typically for the duration the of first player or the second player. yes as noted circumstances apply if they are inline with another player to close but you can stand to the side and still do the math. Then walk up, confirm your thoughts and pull the trigger...!

This is what I love about golf, how each see courses Doral is not one I would have listed LOL Played many top courses and number have hosted PGAT events/ Majors and IMHO most courses the PGAT plays are typically the ones I walk off with really good/great courses thought but not that feeling "man I have to play that again...!" Not a knock on the courses as a number of them are good but its obvious as you noted, they need venues that can hold a lot of fans. *Typing this Phoenix.......was younger / pumped to play... that is pretty high on my list of overated courses. 🤣 When younger I wanted to play all the coures the pros play, Having done number of them, the one thing that stands out is most of those courses fade faster, dont leave a true lasting memory, other then "yea I played it". *Happen this year as did a flash in the pan trip in March, solely to play Tara Iti. Its a great setting and great course. The images make the design look incredible but played 2 others next to it the same week. I can say Tara iti was not the best of the 3 IMHO. Again great course and splitting hairs. Doak did his typical fantastic great job and the venue is amazing but course only we walked away thinking....hmmm that the closet Doak course we have played that felt like a Coore Crenshaw course.

The PGAT has Rule 6-7 that addresses slow play, out of position, etc. Which they have the right to assert penalties but I can not recall it ever being enforce or have seen. First offense: One Stroke Penalty Second offense: Two-Stroke Penalty Subsquent offenses: Disqualification *Assume the offenses are per event? I dont think a cmnulative?

Stupid summer cold so actaully watched golf this weekend. Besides Majors been a long time since I wathced golf on tv. Watched LIV for a bit and the PGAT. I like the LIV courses better vs what the PGAT plays. At least the ones I have seen. That noted the PGAT knows they need to play courses that can hold fans or fit them while LIV is playing what works in different parts of the world. *Granted LIV this weekend looked to have as much if not more fans at the event vs the PGAT? ** Numbers show the JCB event like AUS one gets the most fans it seems each year for LIV Still not a fan of the music..! Seems way to loud on some holes. I mean serious it was louder at times it seemed then the commentators? Not sure on the format for either. I noticed you get way more shots from different players on LIV. Granted it feels very "jumpy" at the same time but you see alot different players which is nice. Just not the leaders all the time. The PGAT event "seemed" boring but its not that I realized its just "bland" at times. PGAT broadcast locks in a single player, talking to his caddie, checking wind, routine, commentators trying to pump shot that really 75% could probably hit, etc. Not sure which player it was I saw this last weekend but they had him in on for like 5 mins before he even hit the shot. Not talking a 3 wood carry of 260 over water, it was a 157 yard shot...! Second think that hit me and we all know this the PGAT is horrid on pace of play. Pace a serious pet peve to me, and watching how slow they play is crazy. Evoke the rules on these players is all I have to say on that. Broadcast wise seems somewhere in between would be a really good balance. Same on commentating. Note: Never been to a LIV event, number of PGAT events though. People I know that have went to both all of one of them say the players / atmosphere is way more engaging at a LIV event and way more "younger" golfers. I think attending a LIV could more fun personally but TV wise figure out way to killed that background music. Players: The talent is there for both. The PGAT best and LIV best are great players. LIV though does have players who I 100% agree just took the money at the tail end. Honestly I thought Bubba was one of them, but he has shown lately he actually wants to play well so maybe the injury issue was pretty bad for him? Suratt and McKibben are really really good young players. Impress me every time I see them. Regardless of where they play they would have been great. Plus being with Rahm / Hatton since they went to LIV was the best place. Cam....? Really sad to see him just drop. Texting with Aussie mates last weekend about it they are all so disappointed in him. They agree he took the money but rumor is he really not trying to hide the fact with his inner circle. No proof other then mates over in AUS but I guess it was somewhat planned. He knew he was getting married, they wanted to have kids right away. So easy money, less schedule per se and more family time. I guess depends on what you value. Mt bottom line neither lights that fire that I have to make sure to record or tune in each weekend...... 🤣

I doubt Bryson was a problem. He seems to want to please everyone as we have seen over the last few years. Now as we all know he or may not have been aware of things around him in the past, we saw that while he was on the PGAT but he sure is not aware of it now since he has a team they are very "social media" conscientious ........ IMHO I had to pick some one to be picky, I would bet on Colin M.

Your correct sorry wrong comish

100% none of money went to the players. It was bonuses to the brass guaranteed. It was not planned on the books for revenue that year and when it came up the PGAT evoked the clause. It was Beman who did it, not Jay. Who paid it is irrelevant... they used them to line pockets via a contract that was shady for even then. It also coincided when Tiger called a "meeting" with Beman about that aspect plus the Nike adds he did as the PGAT wanted Nike to pay the PGAT to allow Tiger to do them. 30 years later and nothing has changed technically in the contract

100% fact.. PGAT will get a cut ine way or another. Edit: just nit Phil, Tigwr and Phil each paid the PGAT 1 million apiece to just play in the fist match.

Not that simple. 100% the EURO Tour would let them play but the PGAT contract and still is the same today, it is very very pin point on this. It as a benefit and for sure now as the PGAT does own a decent percentage of the Euro tour now. A player on the PGAT has to request release to play in a Euro Tour event or any event that is not a PGAT sponsored or co sanctioned event. The PGAT either grants th release or does not. There are cases they ahve not. Players know this when they sign the contract with the PGAT so nothing new. Noting it as they can not just could not just go play on the Euro tour freely. *DJ was one who was frustreated on this right before he went to LIV. Jay and team said yes to a release DJ requestd but PGAT stated only if DJ agreed to play 2 more events on the PGAT would let him play in a none PGAT event. He did it agree, but IMHO this is were I think he decided to go to LIV. Same time it lined up when he said he wants to be done playing golf around 40 and interestingly that lines up with his LIV contract. I would be surprised if he keeps playing much if at all once his LIV contract ends.

True and as noted I am free to watch what I want so I do. Looking forward to the Open. Favorite major. *Well tie with Masters. The "last guy standing" maybe you are right about the other two LOL Wonder about viewership / covid. The decline that is. Last year I thnk was more decline then this year? Maybe / Maybe not? I was sure it was over the divide in golf plus all the players complaining about money. Now I think we are starting to see some of the COVID golfers going away(...YES...!!!) Things noticed this year so far: Public golf side: Have 3 friends that got addicted to golf (playing / watching) during covid. Key point they got to work "remote"...! The companies they work for ended remote work last year and golf on a weekend as all have small kids. All said they dont have time to play or watch golf now as weekends are "family time". One went from 73 rounds 3 years ago to 4 rounds this year. 🤣 Private side: I know 4 work associates that joined clubs during covid. 2 have already left the clubs. They all note aspects but they also dont play much at all now for the same reason...they can not work remote and have small kids. Our club has a wait list over 100 plus right now. The last two years we have had 3 to 5 members drop out. When asked why all site family/work aspects. If you look though they all joined during the Covid boom. No issues for the club as the new members are joining at 3.5x the rate now....thanks to the covid. Be interesting to see how it goes over the next 12 months.

@Titleist99 .... I know its a dream 🤣 I dont watch much golf now, besides majors. Toooo many things like playing or life is in the way. Older but when I did watch, I always felt there was to many events that had not relevance. Some good historic events but it still feels that way. BUIT if they have a TV contract that says we will have an event pretty much every weekend they have to do it.....

PIF was trying to work a deal with the Euro Tour but the PGAT has some ownership and increased it per the contracts in palce to blocked that If look at the structure the PGAT had first right if they passed the Euro Tour could sell out. Funney the PGAT report on putting extra money into the Euro Tour noted it was a waste, only the revenue from the Ryder Cup was worth anything at all and looses money if not for the Ryder Cup revenue. I found it interesting when Scott P. left the he lead at the Euro tour he went gasoline / matches on the way out. He had some "choice" words about Jay M. Honestly the PGAT should have let them buy the Euro Tour IMHO as it is hurting pretty bad as everyone knows and that still is great area for golf and has "decent" fan base. Getting the guys LIV did would have maybe helped it and still not hurt the PGAT at all.

I think he does miss it but as he has stated I also think he is happier now then on the PGAT. I think the issue and we are seeing it is the "control" the PGAT was enforcing on players, specific in media. Bryson is able to be him so to speak. Bryson is fully on record what he is doing he has always wanted to but he could not do what he wanted as to media rights in the contract with the PGAT. Well it was not allowed unless you paid them when he was on the PGAT. *I know the PGAT has made changes on this but not 100% on what they are letting go of? I know Tiger was first and set the tone on that years back with Tim F. Tiger got the first changes done, but was not until the fracture it changed again.

Money wise only 😂

I agree on the players leaving but as tour is stronger than ever. not 100% sure on that. Doing somewhat better this year vs last but overall still down from years prior. *Maybe people are getting over COVID golf boom... Some events have great field, strength and matchup. Then they have 20%-25% of the events that are "foder" / "Fill in' which I think they should drop IMHO but I have thought that for a long long time. 15 years easy. If PGAT dropped to 30 events a year plus the majors it would be some great fields. $$$$ Have co sponsors per se, that way you have the same sponsors but help offset the ROR for the sponsors. Keep players on the same required events they have to play with less events you would make the fields stronger each time. At MIN you would have the best of best if all signed up for the same events for the 4 majors, Players and 14 events. So pretty much every 2.5 weeks you have the best going head to head. Just my thoughts but IMHO they would be in as very strong posistion doing that. The best playing each other more 2.5 weeks roughy on TV would help draw the viewers.

Still a solid carry. Narrow window going at the green until 20 yards short of the green. *Unless you hook as a righty 🤣

Nor do I anymore as you know. Max two events a year that I need the HDCP (for now that is) and both can not be posted since one is best ball event and one is a scramble/best ball.

Hole 5 will always stick with me. Thats a big hit if from the blacks. I think the hole is like 420 from the back. It does drop a decent amount but that had to be a 360 carry easy if you landed on. I dont think even when I was playing my best I got on the green with drive (using driver) Always 15-20 yards short of the green. 90% of the time though I used 3 wood for position. * Do they still do the Foothills Invitational (?) if they do you should play in it. Pretty fun. I still call it the "Sand Bagger Invitational" HUGE sand bagger event. Yet the one thing that was great was the skins game. It got some serious cash in since it was a "best ball" event. Eveyrone would sign up. Day two my buddy was supposed to pay for the skins as I did day one. Note: It was a horrid out...Coid, in the high 30's with wind/rain coming out the north, blowing easy 20-30 all day and it got worse in the afternoon. I birdied 5... i made a burtal putt I had no business making. The guys we were playing with "The could win a skin easy in this weahter" A few holes later on 8 buddy looks over at me "dude, sorry but have to tell you.....I forgot to pay the skins" 😗 Honestly I thought nothing of it an said lets just win our flight. Plus with couple hundred players someone else will birdied it for sure. NOPE........ I was the only one. Lost $288 for him not paying the skins LOL Some consolation we did win our flight so $400 each and lame azz clock thing I still have somewhere in the house. e actually got moved up a flight. There was a rule of "6 shots or greater" and they bump you up a flight to try and stop sand baggers. I think its 8 shots now? The flight ahead only one team was we 6 shots ahead of us, the rest was like 3-4 as we lead our fliight. Day one was a poor round for us, behind every tree and missed everything we looked at. Shot 72 and normally we shot like 68-69 range. Day two we"ham and egg'd" like crazy and shot 66. Buddy chipped in on 18 that got us moved up a flight based on the 6 shot rule and we thought we were hosed. Oddly it turned out we shot one of the best rounds that day. 100% the weather helped, more so we went our as on the first off. Plus we made some great puts. The flight ahead of us tee'd off mid day and the weather was way way worse.