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I think it can be useful for instructors when working with advanced students and high level golfers who may compete in various tours and/or tournaments. I imagine they are all being measured now with the advanced technology these days. It does appear to be the current flavor in you tube instruction. For weekend chops like myself, it can be minefield. That said, I paid three different instructors and not one showed my how to move correctly, something I am now working out myself. Positions only go so far.

My apologies, I have not yet learned how to imbed videos here. All of these you can find on You-tube. All of the Kwon step drills are designed to help you use the ground better. His "shurn videos" (shift-turn) are about backswing and downswing sequence. The good stuff is hard to find as his videos are very long. AMG has a very short step drill which I have been doing. Take normal stance and move your lead foot a bit closer to trail foot. Note: not feet together. that's too narrow. Take your backswing and at about P3 take a step forward and swing,. You can even clip a ball with this drill. You can find it in their more recent videos. Finally, Smart2move (force plate company) has a wonderful series of lessons and drills with former long drive champion Jason Zuback. They include lateral, torque/rotation and vertical force videos. There is a lot of information in these videos but I like the presentation.

Yes. A hang back move has been my bane of existence for a long time. As alluded to, you can get away with this with longer clubs, but irons are meh! I have always been a better driver and wood player plus hybrids, than iron player. I have ben doing a lot of step drills to improve my transition. Not the Kwon stuff, but the AMG drills. And I am noticing a better hit on the ball. But I wonder if I should be practicing a little more torque.

Is a "quiet" clubface through the hit a characteristic of right eye dominant golfers? Old term: Angle hinge release? Watching that Stenson video his clubface matches spine angle through the rotation. I think Slice fixer would like that.

My guesses: Cantlay-unsure. That is a very tight rotation Leonard-right eye Azinger-right eye Stensen has been listed as right eye. Tony Finau has been described as right eye dominant via other sources, however, he may just have a short swing.

@virtuoso Thank you for that. Pretty extensive list. In your opinion, do you think one should have a sense of covering the ball, aka sternum and eyeline above the ball, or trying to stay behind it? I am a shallow path player, more of a picker/sweeper and not large divots. I wonder if I need to get on top of it more and less behind/underneath. Do you other right eye dominant players take larger divots? Or are you more shallow? The concept of more torque/rotation and less lateral (if I understand it correctly) might be a key for me. I have been trying to fix my pivot, too much lateral and slide and not enough rotation. Perhaps trying to get behind it and/or buy more turn. I have been struggling with pressure shifts for awhile and have been working to get off my trail side and into the lead with a better sequence. Iceman mentioned pull cuts as a standard shot. I understand what he means, when I get to lead side proper, a pull cut is one possibility. Its actually a pretty powerful shot, and mostly with driver. However, main miss was actually a push or push-cut. So I'm thinking I need more rotation and less lateral. My understanding about ground forces is that lateral pushes path to the right, and torque rotation will push path back to the left. So, it all balances. The pull cut might be a result of adding torque. None of this might have to do with eye dominance, my pivot might be trash. But my sense is something related. The comment that unless this is sorted out my brain will fight my intent is spot on. Improving my strike has proven elusive.

Thank Youi for starting this topic iceman. I was going to start a similar topic, but you have done such a nice job with it, no need. There are some very good points and observations. Virtuoso's quality post inspired me to register. I am a very long term reader of this forum. I know forum members like to look for measured facts and observable realities, and leave subjective opinions aside, if there is such a thing, but I look for what might be considered "useful" in forum posts. While eye dominance is debatable in terms of the effects on the golf swing, it is still useful information to read others opinions on this topic and apply some of the conclusions,. In the end ,we all want to improve. So to add to this discussion, maybe we could reverse engineer this a bit and look for things we should not do as a right eye dominant golfer. This is to prevent us from going down all of the various rabbit holes which lead absolutely no where. I am no expert on this topic, so what are your ideas of some common current or past instruction that might not be useful for right eye dominant golfers.

Have you looked at Scott Cowx two release patterns A and B? What you are describing sounds like pattern A. I am no expert on his instruction but there are good videos out there on it. (I have not yet learned how to embed videos here) A clue from his instruction. When you set up to the ball, is your lead arm internally rotated or externally rotated. Internally would have your bicep on the lead arm pointing about 30 degrees away from the target, externally would have your bicep facing the sky. Internally rotated would be a pattern A type release. If you look at his instruction, he suggests pattern A is good for people who have less rotation and/or getting older etc. He also suggests the pivot slows as to allow your arm to move from internal to external through the strike. The ball flight from type A release is supposed to be straight-draw It might help.

In terms of wrist set and when, what happened to the TGM mechanic of when the right elbow begins to fold the left wrist will set? This was a staple of Lynn Blakes site for many years. The TGM crowd felt that the folding triggered the wrist set. In addition, Mike Adams has a drill for wrist set timing. Take your address position, remove your trail hand and place it behind you and then start your backswing. Your wrist will set when the weight of the club demands for proper control and leverage. For me, this begins around P2 and is fully set at P3. I do not know if that is considered early, appropriate or too late. I think the desire for "width" in the backswing may have caused wrist set problems in the past. I know it did for me. Keeping the trial arm straight for too long never worked for me.

Will do, Thanks

First time poster, long time lurker (slice fixer years) @virtuoso Thank you for the information concerning right eye dominant golfer characteristics. Much appreciated. As a so called "type 1" right eye, right hand, right foot dominant player, I have been searching for matchups and pattern descriptions for eye dominance. I know the word "natural" is frowned upon here, but some of what you describe above I have been doing intuitively. But not all. I am also curious about head/neck tilts at address, as I feel this is extremely important. I have some other questions, but have thread jacked enough. My apologies to the OP.