Hogan Swing - Why?

[HoganAfficianado]

I'm sure there have been a ton of people who have tried to copy Trevino, or take elements from Trevino's swing. Not sure about the man + talent statement.

[Timanator]

Maybe it's because he came back after being told he'd never walk again. Or the swing that has endured ages.

I love Hogan's work ethics, and he is the example of the American way, which has been lost on the youth today.

[Soloman1]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1393215840' post='8732384']
Great stuff Solomon , what was hogan really like , the myth , the legend ? How much curve did he put on the ball , did you see him hit any bad ones ? I saw Watson back in 96 and he didn't miss a shot on the range or course in all 4 rounds , he didn't win though !
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I can't speak to how he really was, eight. It would only be second hand and hearsay. I never spoke to him.

He certainly had sizzle on the ball, I'll say that. Naturally, everyone moved the ball more in those days. All the best sticks, except for Jack, hit a piercing low ball that started climbing the ladder about 100 yards out. Most of Hogan's shots seemed to just drop to the right. It wasn't really what most people would call fade. Snead was a definite pull fade, but it was very high and had a lot of juice on it when it hit. Hogan didn't hit it as high as others, but it was like throwing darts - concise, precise and awfully nice...

It always looked like he rarely took a full swing with irons. His swing on the course looked shorter than at the range. Very controlled.

Sure, I saw some pedestrian shots. No one hits it pure every round, every day. That's nonsense. He hit some average shots sometimes. He wasn't God. But, when he was on, he was knocking on heaven's door.

The thing I remember most was the image that he swung the driver with complete abandon. It seemed like he was still trying to accelerate even after his hands where even with his left shoulder on the followthrough. It's my opinion that many people misinterpret still photos of him post impact. I had the image of him going a lot more up than left, but maybe it was the continuous attempt to accelerate his body and arms that is so different from others. That's why his fixed positions in photos seem different than other people.

That's just my pet theory I had 40 years ago and haven't really thought about it deeply since then. I don't trust my memory completely anyway. I'm human.

One more thing, he set the club beautifully at the top. I think that may be the place people should look more to copy him, not the lower body move. That pivot was his and his alone, in my opinion.

Cheers

[eightiron]

Thanks for that Solomon , I read something that makes a lot of sense . The balata , the jrafectory and sizzle!

[Jonnybagadonuts]

Would love to here more stories on hogan from people who have watched him actually strike a ball.

[goobers80]

[color=#800080]Many great players to *copy* if so desired. Humans are too often likes those little furry creatures called lemmings. They are nots jumping to die , it is just their little bodies cannots always swim as far as is required.[/color]

[Daniel Eason]

I wonder what betting odd i get on this thread going past 20 pages?

Hogan..where do I start....the original marketing machine for golf, if he had a Nike deal today you'd bet he'd be at the same level of the pecking order as TW and Rory.

My view as I learn more and more about a pivot based swing and how forces work in a golf swing is that Mr Hogan was one of the early people who knew how to use centrifugal force forces with a stick of metal in your hand to great effect...eventually.

[TheBoomer]

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Hogan has some gems in 5 lessons though.

Take the waggle methodology for instance........same thing as Faldo drill..........same movements going back as that 9-3 drill I see pinned at the top.....Lotta Hogan rip offs out there.

[size=4][u][b]You can see Dufner's waggle happen through his backswing..........and you can see Hogan's waggle as well.[/b][/u][/size]

There are a lot of details in the book and in the drawings that many people miss and could be interpreted a couple different ways.

But, how many PGA winners have mentioned this book as their swing guide growing up? Quite a few.

"automated" "automatic" "the more pressure you put on it, the better it functions".........Who wouldn't want that?
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You can ?

[tembolo1284]

Hstead this is just a fantastic thread. I think it will reach 20 pages easily.

[Hstead]

Hogan always gets people fired up it seems. I just never understand why guys with short arms would want to try to max out PA3 when their arms are so dang short they can't put anything in their front pockets because they would have to take their pants off to get it back out? There is one poster, actually he has at least 20 user names and has been banned numerous times that is the perfect example. He wants to be Hogan but at P6 his right arm is already straight, not even close to the pitch elbow of Hogan because his arms would have to be 6 inches longer to come close.

[Timanator]

[quote name='Soloman1' timestamp='1393220217' post='8732678']

One more thing, he set the club beautifully at the top. I think that may be the place people should look more to copy him, not the lower body move. That pivot was his and his alone, in my opinion.

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This is one of the reasons why Hogan was so great and I think one of the pieces alot of people ignore when learning the slicefixer swing. All his good students sets that club consistently at the top.

[eightiron]

Hstead

Helps to have longer arms and reasonably athletic frame to get that 3 accumulator and pitch elbow ?

[smotherhook]

Is wingspan finger tips across? And, should "normal" be the same as height?

[tembolo1284]

Who is that guy? Reminds me of that hogan's angle dude.

[Hstead]

@8 - I would think to look like Hogan's pitch elbow a guy would need longer arms for his build. Maybe a guy with short arms could have a pitch and some PA3 but it isn't going to look like Hogan's super pitch. I might have to check out Monte at P6, he obviously hits it harder than Hogan did and I think he has a pitch elbow but not sure how much PA3 he likes to use.

@smother - yep that is how I understand wingspan, from finger tips, and most of the time people are slightly longer than their height is normal I believe, so Hogan should have been 5'8"-5"9 ish with his height if he was 5'6" instead of 6'.

Edit - Ok checked out Monte's swing since he stated his arms are shorter for his build and trying to swing like Hogan jacked him up. Monte has a pitch elbow but is a TSP swinger vs elbow plane, uses a ton of PA2 vs PA3. Monte has a ton of similarities to Jason Day's swing when you put them side by side. Day's arm swing is just a touch shorter. Both guys hammer it.

[TheBoomer]

[quote name='Timanator' timestamp='1393253674' post='8733956']
[quote name='Soloman1' timestamp='1393220217' post='8732678']
One more thing, he set the club beautifully at the top. I think that may be the place people should look more to copy him, not the lower body move. That pivot was his and his alone, in my opinion.

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This is one of the reasons why Hogan was so great and I think one of the pieces alot of people ignore when learning the slicefixer swing. [b][u]All his good students sets that club consistently at the top.[/u][/b]
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Understanding the left forearm rotation and "feeling" of being so flat has gotten me into a great position at the top.

[Timanator]

TheBOomer

The wrist setting motion in the Faldo pump drill, is that what you feel for setting the wrist?

[smotherhook]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393254304' post='8734022']

@smother - yep that is how I understand wingspan, from finger tips, and most of the time people are slightly longer than their height is normal I believe, so Hogan should have been 5'8"-5"9 ish with his height if he was 5'6" instead of 6'.
[/quote]

Thanks Hstead,

I come in at 65 high and 66 wings. So I AM normal....for a little man.

[gators78]

New clubs, new balls, new strategies, new science behind the swing, entirely different course layouts, better athletes....


Zero reason to copy what one guy did 60 years ago.

[Hstead]

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[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393254304' post='8734022']
@smother - yep that is how I understand wingspan, from finger tips, and most of the time people are slightly longer than their height is normal I believe, so Hogan should have been 5'8"-5"9 ish with his height if he was 5'6" instead of 6'.
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Thanks Hstead,

I come in at 65 high and 66 wings. So I AM normal....for a little man.
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Pretty normal. I have a long wing span but it isn't so much my arms as it is my shoulders. I am 6'1 with 6'4" wingspan but my shoulders are really wide so my wing span isn't all arms myself.

You would have a much better chance at swinging like Hogan than me.

[TheBoomer]

[quote name='Timanator' timestamp='1393255068' post='8734106']
TheBOomer

The wrist setting motion in the Faldo pump drill, is that what you feel for setting the wrist?
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Yes, but I never understood how to get there.
Dan (Iteach) and in Faldos book, they talk about the right wrist breaking towards the forearm, backwards !!! I try very hard to get in this position when my hands reach my right foot.
I still struggle with this move and my closed takeaway and late wrist hinge creeps back into my game. ( which is where everything else goes sour)

[eightiron]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393253016' post='8733898']
Hogan always gets people fired up it seems. I just never understand why guys with short arms would want to try to max out PA3 when their arms are so dang short they can't put anything in their front pockets because they would have to take their pants off to get it back out? There is one poster, actually he has at least 20 user names and has been banned numerous times that is the perfect example. He wants to be Hogan but at P6 his right arm is already straight, not even close to the pitch elbow of Hogan because his arms would have to be 6 inches longer to come close.
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You mean my swing Hstead ? Check it out at. P 6, pitch , elbow bend and 3 accumulator coming out of the pipe hole

[Hstead]

No, I am talking more like this...................see how low his hands are at P4? Arms are very short, almost like a T-Rex. Guys want to copy Hogan's elbow plane but do not have the other pieces that fit. See how flat the shoulders are? Basically faking it, hands on the address shaft plane at the top. Hogan was much higher. Can't expect to be Hogan when you aren't built like Hogan or as athletic as Hogan. Stupid really.

 

[lonestar48]

[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1393255410' post='8734158']
New clubs, new balls, new strategies, new science behind the swing, entirely different course layouts, better athletes....


Zero reason to copy what one guy did 60 years ago.
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Not so sure about that...
Anyone who could post the kind of scores and hit the kind of shots that he did from 1946-1953 with equipment of that era is worth studying. And not just Hogan. Snead, Nelson, Demeret and others should be observed as well. But I agree that trying to get into the exact same positions as someone not built exactly like yourself is foolish.
Better to study the more general things like tempo, balance, etc.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='lonestar48' timestamp='1393260597' post='8734730']
[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1393255410' post='8734158']
New clubs, new balls, new strategies, new science behind the swing, entirely different course layouts, better athletes....


Zero reason to copy what one guy did 60 years ago.
[/quote]
Not so sure about that...
Anyone who could post the kind of scores and hit the kind of shots that he did from 1946-1953 with equipment of that era is worth studying. And not just Hogan. Snead, Nelson, Demeret and others should be observed as well. But I agree that trying to get into the exact same positions as someone not built exactly like yourself is foolish.
Better to study the more general things like tempo, balance, etc.
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Guys that good would be good in any era with whatever equipment. Good to study and understand what makes those motions click.

Like good music. Good music is always going to be good music. Classic is classic.

[Timanator]

Hstead, are you sure Hogan was athletic after the wreck?

[settling4birdie]

Hogan's Swing is like the Moonwalk...It looks so cool and graceful that everyone wants to do it but not everyone can or should !

Cmon who hasn't done the moonwalk in front of a mirror ?

[Hstead]

[quote name='Timanator' timestamp='1393261011' post='8734772']
Hstead, are you sure Hogan was athletic after the wreck?
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I guess that gets into the definition of athletic. That is probably an entire 20 page topic itself. In my mind when a guy has great hand eye coordination and just great coordinatipn in general even a wreck doesn't take that away. I guess there are a lot of what some people would call great athletes like LeBron James could probably never play golf on the PGA tour. Personally I wouldn't think the car wreck would take away his ability to control his body movements but it probably didn't help at all either

[dirthead]

Did Hogan really hit it "that" much better than other great ball strikers? Or has the legend grown over the years. His ball striking almost has a mythical status today. I'm not old enough to have actually seen him play, but did he really hit it that much better than anyone else?

[dairic]

Hstead, you start a thread about how your tired of hearing people discuss Hogan, then go on to make claims about his swing and comparisons. Do you see the irony there?

To make claims and comparison wouldn't you first need to learn and discuss Hogan?

My answer to the OP is that learning about Hogan is fun and educational.