Hogan Swing - Why?

[ej002]

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I have never seen someone become interested in Hogan who didn't, at some point, allow their "swing" (such as it may be after barely cracking mid-80's scores) to devolve into an inappropriate mess at some point. Getting "into Hogan" presents as more of a knee-jerk act of desperation to me than anything else. For me, when I read such threads about the "Hogan swing," I think the OP is either someone looking for validation, doesn't know how to get the job done himself, or wants to fit in with a bunch of online golf nerds who have no game. Just pollutes the whole cool factor.
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Are these online golf nerds those that have more than 10,000 active posts and have a Creature Of The Night profile pic per chance?
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Depends on how many posts in the Hogan forum they have. Of the 10K I have, I believe there are 3 posts total from me over there, and those are really just flaming TylerDurden for proclaiming he "found the secret"...one weekend...when he was doing...stuff...
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Haha. I think everyone took a jab at TD in that thread. If there's a guy who can hold his own though it's TD. I'll never forget the spat between him and 8i. Most of it got deleted or sanitized but damn it was hilarious.

Those were good times back then when all the disfunctional personalities were allowed to post freely... Prior to the crack down.
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Yep right before the Beer Hall Putsch

[dairic]

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I have never seen someone become interested in Hogan who didn't, at some point, allow their "swing" (such as it may be after barely cracking mid-80's scores) to devolve into an inappropriate mess at some point. Getting "into Hogan" presents as more of a knee-jerk act of desperation to me than anything else. For me, when I read such threads about the "Hogan swing," I think the OP is either someone looking for validation, doesn't know how to get the job done himself, or wants to fit in with a bunch of online golf nerds who have no game. Just pollutes the whole cool factor.
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Are these online golf nerds those that have more than 10,000 active posts and have a Creature Of The Night profile pic per chance?
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Depends on how many posts in the Hogan forum they have. Of the 10K I have, I believe there are 3 posts total from me over there, and those are really just flaming TylerDurden for proclaiming he "found the secret"...one weekend...when he was doing...stuff...
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Haha. I think everyone took a jab at TD in that thread. If there's a guy who can hold his own though it's TD. I'll never forget the spat between him and 8i. Most of it got deleted or sanitized but damn it was hilarious.

Those were good times back then when all the disfunctional personalities were allowed to post freely... Prior to the crack down.
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Yep right before the Beer Hall Putsch
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lol that was Denni[size=4]s Miller-e[/size]sque right there. From your quote, I actually learnt a bit about the always exciting C[size=4]hancellor Adolf Hitler and his buddy Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff.[/size]

[size=4][color=#000000]Now, I don't want to go on a rant here, but this thread makes about as much sense as Beowulf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first battle of Antietam. I mean when a neo-conservative defenestrates it's like Raskolnikov filibuster deoxymonohydroxinate... or something like that. [/color][/size]

[justasgood]

My secret too at 5'9" with a wing span of 6'2" distance is easy.....

[bscinstnct]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393206937' post='8731394']
Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing "but Hogan did it this way"? Every teacher seems to know "the secret" yet every teacher has a different interpretation of what Hogan did.

Plus, Hogan couldn't beat Nelson before he retired. Hogan said Mickey Wright had the best swing he had ever seen. Hogan also liked Sneads swing. Hogan wasn't as good as Jack, yet we never hear "but Jack did it this way".

I just thought I would start this thread and see if anyone else is bored and tired with the Hogan stuff. Why someone would think that everyone should swing like a 5'8" man with long arms is beyond me. Flame suit on.
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He won 3 Majors

In one year.

How many others have done that?

And

He only played in 3 Majors that year ; )

[ej002]

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Yep right before the Beer Hall Putsch
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lol that was Denni[size=4]s Miller-e[/size]sque right there. From your quote, I actually learnt a bit about the always exciting C[size=4]hancellor Adolf Hitler and his buddy Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff.[/size]

[size=4][color=#000000]Now, I don't want to go on a rant here, but this thread makes about as much sense as Beowulf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first battle of Antietam. I mean when a neo-conservative defenestrates it's like Raskolnikov filibuster deoxymonohydroxinate... or something like that. [/color][/size]
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What the hell does "rant" mean?

[dairic]

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Yep right before the Beer Hall Putsch
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lol that was Dennis Miller-esque right there. From your quote, I actually learnt a bit about the always exciting Chancellor Adolf Hitler and his buddy Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff.

[color=#000000]Now, I don't want to go on a rant here, but this thread makes about as much sense as Beowulf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first battle of Antietam. I mean when a neo-conservative defenestrates it's like Raskolnikov filibuster deoxymonohydroxinate... or something like that. [/color]
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What the hell does "rant" mean?
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[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZPIk4gK06E[/media]

[jons1]

http://youtu.be/S7S8LyE0HpY

it's all about the strike... people just don't get it imo. The only thing people should learn from Hogan is hard work, then dig their own swing out of the dirt.

[BrianB]

Well the simple answer to "why" is:

1. Hogan was one of the best golfers of all time
2. He also had one of the prettiest swings
3. Of the handful of other great golfers with great swings, Hogan wrote the best book.

Now of course there will always be some people who do go overboard, and while Hogan's book is still helpful, there's also lots that has been learned since 1957, and it would be foolish to read only Hogan and ignore everything written since. But most of the fundamentals Hogan taught, as far as grip, stance, posture, backswing, and downswing, still work today for a large number of golfers. This doesn't mean that people should copy every quirk in Hogan's swing. In fact Hogan himself said that certain things like the way he cupped his wrist in the backswing, his weak left hand grip, and his short thumb on the right hand, were personal modifications, not fundamentals that anyone should copy.

There are lots of modern players though, including players like Zach Johnson, Jason Dufner, Adam Scott, and Ricky Fowler, who have swings that have some resemblance to Hogan's, and which seem to include the elements he did consider fundamental. And there are still lots of top instructors today who acknowledge Hogan's influence as well.

And of course there are also lots of succesful golfers with swings that don't resemble Hogan's quite so much. And instructors who also teach some things very differently. No one method is going to work for everyone. But Hogan is obviously still relevant and helpful to many.

[Jobu]

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Preaching to the choir.

He was 5-6 and fought the hooks and it took him 10 years of 8 hour a day practice to perfect it. Yea, let's copy that.

Great player, not a swing to copy.
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what is it about his swing that shouldn't be copied?

the side arm throw is golden.
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Top of the swing and impact.

It requires a specific body type, flexibility and strength to get in the first....and even more to get into the second from the first.

It's a phenomenal swing. Problem is less than 1 out of 100 Golfers has a shot at getting close.

Response to gabh. It was a no hook perfect draw swing from him. Most people that try it don't have 50 hours a week to practice and they end up with severe hooks. I've had dozens of people come to me who tried it. One guy I couldn't discern the difference between his backswing and Hogan from 30 yards away. All he could do was shank irons and snap hook woods. He was unable to not steepen the shaft from that position.

The point. We shouldn't be copy anyone's swing.
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I understand the desire to have a bent right arm at impact, "connected" to the hip bone, but isn't that just a result of how he's swinging the club? I mean if you have your hands at address you can get them back there, the left arm doesn't get shorter. I think a lot of his explanations for how his model swing works has confused a lot of golfers with what is [b]actively[/b] happening. I threw 5 Lessons away after struggling to incorporate anything in the book into a good swing.

[MonteScheinblum]

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[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1393207802' post='8731480']
Preaching to the choir.

He was 5-6 and fought the hooks and it took him 10 years of 8 hour a day practice to perfect it. Yea, let's copy that.

Great player, not a swing to copy.
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what is it about his swing that shouldn't be copied?

the side arm throw is golden.
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Top of the swing and impact.

It requires a specific body type, flexibility and strength to get in the first....and even more to get into the second from the first.

It's a phenomenal swing. Problem is less than 1 out of 100 Golfers has a shot at getting close.

Response to gabh. It was a no hook perfect draw swing from him. Most people that try it don't have 50 hours a week to practice and they end up with severe hooks. I've had dozens of people come to me who tried it. One guy I couldn't discern the difference between his backswing and Hogan from 30 yards away. All he could do was shank irons and snap hook woods. He was unable to not steepen the shaft from that position.

The point. We shouldn't be copy anyone's swing.
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I understand the desire to have a bent right arm at impact, "connected" to the hip bone, but isn't that just a result of how he's swinging the club? I mean if you have your hands at address you can get them back there, the left arm doesn't get shorter. I think a lot of his explanations for how his model swing works has confused a lot of golfers with what is [b]actively[/b] happening. I threw 5 Lessons away after struggling to incorporate anything in the book into a good swing.
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All true

[Daniel Eason]

We also forget Hogan discovered D plane without a trackman

[kellygreen]

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I find it kind of funny people saying his swing method is too hard to copy, suited only him and today's average golfer should not attempt it.
When today's average golfer is being taught the "modern" swing he/she is obviously finding it REALLY DIFFICULT to do.
The funny thing here is that the common group think is all about these catch phrases, centred pivot, arms in front, deep right hip and on and on, and still the average golfer can't do it with much success or ease of execution.
So if you think "modern" instruction/theory is better you are wrong because there is absolutely no proof for this belief.
is there an easy way to successfully hit the golf ball?
If there is it is not the "modern" theory going on in this forum because you only have to read it all to see that its NOT EASY.
The underlying untruth in this thread is that "modern" is better and Hogan is too hard when there is no proof at all.
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What we are really talking about is a body-driven, rotational golf swing. Hogan's swing is the foundation of this type of golf swing. But his swing had many idiosyncrasies that were unique to him and his time. That is trying to fade the ball to control against his "disaster shot" (snap-hook), and trying to control the first generation steel shafts that were almost certainly not able to stand up to the incredible loading forces his swing put on them.

When (most) people talk about "modernizing" his swing, they are basically talking about taking OUT those parts of the swing and making adjustments so that the mechanics of the swing become applicable to a wider variety of player.

The body-rotation swing IS more difficult to learn than the "classic" swing. But only because it involves an athletic motion that most people have little experience with (except hockey players), and it is a motion that is very unforgiving of the club being out of position on the downswing. With the "classic swing" you can rescue a shot if the club is out of position, by trying to square up the club with the hands. But with the body swing, if the club is out of position coming down, you are just going to hit the ball off line. Period.

The other problem is that you have to be reasonably fit and flexible to swing the club this way. You have to be able to at least turn your shoulders 70-80* while staying in your posture. Many people because of illness, injury, age, or just lack-of-fitness cannot do this.

But the effort is worth it. Because---once this swing is properly learned and grooved---it is a very accurate, very low-maintenance way of swinging the golf club.

[Lake]

I love studying Mr. Hogan...this was my humble attempt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y

[dairic]

I love how he comes into impact. Could watch it all day long...

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[Hstead]

[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1393389644' post='8747180']
I love studying Mr. Hogan...this was my humble attempt: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y"]https://www.youtube....h?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y[/url]
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That looks pretty effortless there.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1393389644' post='8747180']
I love studying Mr. Hogan...this was my humble attempt: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y"]https://www.youtube....h?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y[/url]
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Lake is that you trying to swing like hogan? Why did you stop the follow-through?

What was the ball flight. Looks nice!

[albiefresh]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393206937' post='8731394']
Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing "but Hogan did it this way"? Every teacher seems to know "the secret" yet every teacher has a different interpretation of what Hogan did.

Plus, Hogan couldn't beat Nelson before he retired. Hogan said Mickey Wright had the best swing he had ever seen. Hogan also liked Sneads swing. Hogan wasn't as good as Jack, yet we never hear "but Jack did it this way".

I just thought I would start this thread and see if anyone else is bored and tired with the Hogan stuff. Why someone would think that everyone should swing like a 5'8" man with long arms is beyond me. Flame suit on.
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I find it humorous that Hogan is listed at 5'8.5" and people are now shrinking him to 5'6" with arms so long that he could touch the floor without bending over.

Under your theory, why should we listen to the swing advice of a long drive champ like Monte? Only a few people have that type athleticism. Why should we listen to the swing advice of Butch, Foley, Haney, etc.? They work with tour pros who are physically more gifted than us, had good swings already, and have way more time to practice than us.

Under your theory, we should all just dig it out of the dirt for ourselves because inevitably our instructors will be physically different than us in many different ways. So I guess you are actually a Hogan aficionado since you and he agree to dig it out of the dirt for ourselves.

[Hstead]

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[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393206937' post='8731394']
Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing "but Hogan did it this way"? Every teacher seems to know "the secret" yet every teacher has a different interpretation of what Hogan did.

Plus, Hogan couldn't beat Nelson before he retired. Hogan said Mickey Wright had the best swing he had ever seen. Hogan also liked Sneads swing. Hogan wasn't as good as Jack, yet we never hear "but Jack did it this way".

I just thought I would start this thread and see if anyone else is bored and tired with the Hogan stuff. Why someone would think that everyone should swing like a 5'8" man with long arms is beyond me. Flame suit on.
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I find it humorous that Hogan is listed at 5'8.5" and people are now shrinking him to 5'6" with arms so long that he could touch the floor without bending over.

Under your theory, why should we listen to the swing advice of a long drive champ like Monte? Only a few people have that type athleticism. Why should we listen to the swing advice of Butch, Foley, Haney, etc.? They work with tour pros who are physically more gifted than us, had good swings already, and have way more time to practice than us.

Under your theory, we should all just dig it out of the dirt for ourselves because inevitably our instructors will be physically different than us in many different ways. So I guess you are actually a Hogan aficionado since you and he agree to dig it out of the dirt for ourselves.
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Sorry you are having reading comprehension problems. Evidently you do not understand what was stated the last two pages. But that doesn't surprise me. Go finish pounding sand.

[tembolo1284]

man this thread is good stuff.

[dan360]

"Swing your swing....I know. I did."

-Arnold Palmer 2013

[tembolo1284]

Problem is if I swing my swing i'll hit about a 10 yard push and then have that baby hook 30 yards.

Sadly i'm not as talented or have time to work as hard on my game as Arnold. Dude rocks though.

[dairic]

Yea...I had to work very very hard to stop swinging my swing. It was getting too expensive on balls.

[albiefresh]

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[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1393206937' post='8731394']
Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing "but Hogan did it this way"? Every teacher seems to know "the secret" yet every teacher has a different interpretation of what Hogan did.

Plus, Hogan couldn't beat Nelson before he retired. Hogan said Mickey Wright had the best swing he had ever seen. Hogan also liked Sneads swing. Hogan wasn't as good as Jack, yet we never hear "but Jack did it this way".

I just thought I would start this thread and see if anyone else is bored and tired with the Hogan stuff. Why someone would think that everyone should swing like a 5'8" man with long arms is beyond me. Flame suit on.
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I find it humorous that Hogan is listed at 5'8.5" and people are now shrinking him to 5'6" with arms so long that he could touch the floor without bending over.

Under your theory, why should we listen to the swing advice of a long drive champ like Monte? Only a few people have that type athleticism. Why should we listen to the swing advice of Butch, Foley, Haney, etc.? They work with tour pros who are physically more gifted than us, had good swings already, and have way more time to practice than us.

Under your theory, we should all just dig it out of the dirt for ourselves because inevitably our instructors will be physically different than us in many different ways. So I guess you are actually a Hogan aficionado since you and he agree to dig it out of the dirt for ourselves.
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Sorry you are having reading comprehension problems. Evidently you do not understand what was stated the last two pages. But that doesn't surprise me. Go finish pounding sand.
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Nice reply there. Quite revealing and not surprising.

[tembolo1284]

What does it reveal and why is it not surprising?

[albiefresh]

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What does it reveal and why is it not surprising?
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I'm sure you can figure it out.

[tembolo1284]

[quote name='dairic' timestamp='1393391065' post='8747308']
I love how he comes into impact. Could watch it all day long...

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Love how open he is and how he turns the corner like a raging devil. BOOM!

[Siteseer2]

[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1393389644' post='8747180']
I love studying Mr. Hogan...this was my humble attempt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y
[/quote]oh thats pure... Pivot train looks clean... And impact alignments are hoganesque.... If u werent pimpin' into p10, and had worked it by more extension of right arm into p8 and 9 u might have nailed it....

[Lake]

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[quote name='Lake' timestamp='1393389644' post='8747180']
I love studying Mr. Hogan...this was my humble attempt: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y"]https://www.youtube....h?v=gKWNwE_DU5Y[/url]
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Lake is that you trying to swing like hogan? Why did you stop the follow-through?

What was the ball flight. Looks nice!
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Yes that's me...chin pointing down rt. shoulder def aided in locking the radius of the finish...it was fairly straight.

[tembolo1284]

So are we still asking why for hogan?

[ej002]

Get the stapler out.