Should Tiger Rest & Take Time Off Until The Masters?

[nbg352]

[quote name='tbowles411' timestamp='1394418460' post='8836793']
[quote name='Titleist 670' timestamp='1394417578' post='8836679']
It was funny watching him barely move on the green and then bust a 341 yard drive on the next hole.

Love him or hate him, Tiger is a drama queen when it comes to injuries.
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Do you have back issues? I do. Generally, standing upright I can do. When you start using the lower back on torquing movements, even bending over, that's when it talks to me. Personally, I can swing driver. It's the longest club and I'm not using my entire back. As I move to the irons, it gets worse. Putting is terrible. I'm bent over and it's a constant pulling sensation. I went to a longer putter to make it not hurt so bad. I'll never tell someone they're faking an injury, because I've been accused of the same. If you've never been in chronic every single day pain, you have no idea.
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These guys are just trying to get a rise out of us. Trolls, the lot of them. They only care about getting us to respond. They certainly don't care about anyone's back pain.......
One day, though, many of these guys will care. When it is their backs that decide to opt out. They'll get the picture then, I'm thinking......

[nbg352]

[quote name='cjblake09' timestamp='1394419473' post='8836939']
I just think it is is funny that when he has a good round like Saturday he is fine and then Sunday all the sudden the back issues come back. Just like last week when he pulled out on Sunday.
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Ignorance is bliss. Be grateful for it. When you begin to understand the issues and surprises that a bad back has to offer, it will be because you have your very own bad back.

[Frankie Lob Wedge]

[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1394598823' post='8853335']
[quote name='tbowles411' timestamp='1394418460' post='8836793']
[quote name='Titleist 670' timestamp='1394417578' post='8836679']
It was funny watching him barely move on the green and then bust a 341 yard drive on the next hole.

Love him or hate him, Tiger is a drama queen when it comes to injuries.
[/quote]
Do you have back issues? I do. Generally, standing upright I can do. When you start using the lower back on torquing movements, even bending over, that's when it talks to me. Personally, I can swing driver. It's the longest club and I'm not using my entire back. As I move to the irons, it gets worse. Putting is terrible. I'm bent over and it's a constant pulling sensation. I went to a longer putter to make it not hurt so bad. I'll never tell someone they're faking an injury, because I've been accused of the same. If you've never been in chronic every single day pain, you have no idea.
[/quote]
These guys are just trying to get a rise out of us. Trolls, the lot of them. They only care about getting us to respond. They certainly don't care about anyone's back pain.......
One day, though, many of these guys will care. When it is their backs that decide to opt out. They'll get the picture then, I'm thinking......
[/quote]

I am not trying to get a rise out of anybody. He should have passed on Doral.

There is a problem there or he is doing acting which I doubt. So he is going to take a week off and play Bay Hill. Bad move. Some people may not like him but only a sicko would want to see someone injure themselves. He needs to take a rest and prep for The Masters if his back is ok.

[nbg352]

[quote name='playa' timestamp='1394487699' post='8842331']
[quote name='Musky' timestamp='1394426677' post='8837723']
Tiger's back is likely bothered by too much exercising. Too much exercising affects the swing, and can hurt the back. You'll notice the heavier fellows never seem to have back problems. It's always the lean guys that lift the barbells and do a lot of jogging. In my opinion, some light calisthenics three times a week, plenty of carbohydrates like pasta, plenty of eggs and meats to feed the muscles with proteins, and extra cream in coffee for calcium, and someone that plays a lot of golf should be fine.
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Yeah, I would think that if following your diet and exercise routine, coronary disease or stroke would occur way before your back would wear out.
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Genetics can have a very strong argument against this statement sometimes, so I have discovered, much to my dismay..

[nbg352]

[quote name='Frankie Lob Wedge' timestamp='1394599651' post='8853405']
[quote name='nbg352' timestamp='1394598823' post='8853335']
[quote name='tbowles411' timestamp='1394418460' post='8836793']
[quote name='Titleist 670' timestamp='1394417578' post='8836679']
It was funny watching him barely move on the green and then bust a 341 yard drive on the next hole.

Love him or hate him, Tiger is a drama queen when it comes to injuries.
[/quote]
Do you have back issues? I do. Generally, standing upright I can do. When you start using the lower back on torquing movements, even bending over, that's when it talks to me. Personally, I can swing driver. It's the longest club and I'm not using my entire back. As I move to the irons, it gets worse. Putting is terrible. I'm bent over and it's a constant pulling sensation. I went to a longer putter to make it not hurt so bad. I'll never tell someone they're faking an injury, because I've been accused of the same. If you've never been in chronic every single day pain, you have no idea.
[/quote]
These guys are just trying to get a rise out of us. Trolls, the lot of them. They only care about getting us to respond. They certainly don't care about anyone's back pain.......
One day, though, many of these guys will care. When it is their backs that decide to opt out. They'll get the picture then, I'm thinking......
[/quote]

I am not trying to get a rise out of anybody. He should have passed on Doral.

There is a problem there or he is doing acting which I doubt. So he is going to take a week off and play Bay Hill. Bad move. Some people may not like him but only a sicko would want to see someone injure themselves. He needs to take a rest and prep for The Masters if his back is ok.
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My apology Frankie, that was not directed at you. I'll go further. This is your best thread, ever!

[nbg352]

[quote name='Playaway' timestamp='1394497188' post='8843391']
[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1394494537' post='8843041']
Tigerrrr's

Bad back.

Biggest topic on the interweb.

Besides Patrick "I am a legend" Reed's vault to #1 on tour. But as far as TW,

He should get on the jet and see some ancient kung fu master healers in the chow lin temple.

They would show him the true way.

Hit St. Barts (and some models) on the way back. Then go to Arnie's place.

That would be my advice anyway.
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Where he needs to go is confession.
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I think he already has. And his public penance has been pretty astounding......

[nbg352]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394590948' post='8852427']
Tiger only has back pain when he is hopelessly out of a tournament, then the chronic pain springs into action!
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Yikes!
Brain cramp?

[Awsi Dooger]

Who else does this? What other player might shoot the best round of the week on Saturday yet is a candidate to grimace and withdraw on Sunday? It shouldn't matter if he's the best player in the world or a journeyman. It lends itself to cynicism due to the rarity. The analysis and the guesswork tend to obscure how unusual it is. We have no trouble comparing eras. In 40+ years of following the sport I don't remember anyone who was so alternately dominant yet fragile.

I know one thing, it has inspired countless comments among fellow matchup bettors. You can't depend on Tiger because there's no guarantee he'll be there at the end. First criteria is completed holes, not relationship to par. I still remember when I lost a bet on Steve Jones in one event during the early '90s when he was disqualified for having two balls in play at the same time on #13 on Sunday. I had an 18 shot lead at the time, with the opponent long since finished at the back of the pack.

After following Tiger at Honda and Doral I don't have any answers or conclusions. That's why I barely mentioned him in my multiple posts in that Doral thread. Normally I see him working with Foley on the range and can compare that to his ball flight on the course. This year there was significantly less range time and Foley strangely was either absent or watching from a comparative distance with less interaction.

There was one Tiger impersonator who was having a grand time on Sunday. He dressed the part including sunglasses and was posing for pictures long after the final round ended. Facially he's not a match without the sunglasses. He can pass for Tiger in the dark shades, if you are willing to overlook that Tiger hasn't been that thin since the late '90s.

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='BenHoganSlam1953' timestamp='1394598303' post='8853295']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394590948' post='8852427']
Tiger only has back pain when he is hopelessly out of a tournament, then the chronic pain springs into action!
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Maybe he is hopelessly out of the tournament because his back was flaring and he kept hiding it until it affected his game. Some people have a high pain threshold and others have learned to deal with pain so that they look like nothing is wrong when in fact they are hurting. My mother's back is in constant pain every moment, but you would never know by looking at her. She flew down a flight of stairs while very young and that was it for her back. Besides, you can't believe how indifferent people can be to someone's else pain when it isn't obvious like a large cut or ripped off limb.
[/quote]Poor Tiger, the only golfer out there that goes through the rigorous routine of working out, playing golf, and walking the 4 rounds! Nobody else does this??? In fact, Tiger plays 33% less tournaments then the average golfer. I don't see anyone else that 'grimmaces' like this phoney seeking attention. You don't think any other golfers are in pain? Just Tiger? Get off the Tiger love boat and see things the way they are, objectively. Amazing, only Tiger is complaining about pain, nobody else does. I have back pain when I golf, but I don't make a drama out of it when I play to seek attention.

[jmvargas]

when my back hurts after hitting a shot i don't just grimace...i howl!!

[BenHoganSlam1953]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394630204' post='8854495']
[quote name='BenHoganSlam1953' timestamp='1394598303' post='8853295']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394590948' post='8852427']
Tiger only has back pain when he is hopelessly out of a tournament, then the chronic pain springs into action!
[/quote]

Maybe he is hopelessly out of the tournament because his back was flaring and he kept hiding it until it affected his game. Some people have a high pain threshold and others have learned to deal with pain so that they look like nothing is wrong when in fact they are hurting. My mother's back is in constant pain every moment, but you would never know by looking at her. She flew down a flight of stairs while very young and that was it for her back. Besides, you can't believe how indifferent people can be to someone's else pain when it isn't obvious like a large cut or ripped off limb.
[/quote]Poor Tiger, the only golfer out there that goes through the rigorous routine of working out, playing golf, and walking the 4 rounds! Nobody else does this??? In fact, Tiger plays 33% less tournaments then the average golfer. I don't see anyone else that 'grimmaces' like this phoney seeking attention. You don't think any other golfers are in pain? Just Tiger? Get off the Tiger love boat and see things the way they are, objectively. Amazing, only Tiger is complaining about pain, nobody else does. I have back pain when I golf, but I don't make a drama out of it when I play to seek attention.
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Tiger Love boat! LMAO - dude do you have the wrong turkey! I didn't know who Tiger was 3 years ago as I had been out of golf for decades and I never cared for worshipping someone else's success. Last I checked my avatar and sign-on name refer to a man called Ben Hogan not Tiger Woods! Now there's someone who showed strength of will when dealing with pain after that accident - and I don't believe he put on a show.

I was just pointing out that someone can be in pain - referring to Saturday - without showing it and thus pulling out on Sunday for no apparent reason. I wasn't saying jack about his show of pain on Sunday - maybe you missed the part in my comment how my mother's back is in constant pain but knowone would know it. I play golf in pain all the time and noone knows, heck I forget about my pain when I play golf as I love it do much after being away so long.

Committments or not, Tiger should either suck it up and play or rest.

Isn't it funny how two people can read the same thing and come out with completely opposite views of what was read...apparently what I wrote and what you read are not the same - my error as I wasn't attacking your comment.

[BillyZ2]

Regardless, Tiger likes to emote over his pain, and let everybody know he's hurting. I've had ankle recon, OH surgury, rot cuff issues, and a weak lower back, and I go out and play golf and look at the positive, not the negative, and I don't over react to my pain like Tiger does. He must have taken acting lessons because he's a good actor! I use to be a fan of Tiger, but his weakness in character has turned me off to his skills. I appreciate your opinion, just don't agree with all of it. I don't believe in Karma, but what goes around comes around for Tiger!

[BenHoganSlam1953]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394635859' post='8855155']
Regardless, Tiger likes to emote over his pain, and let everybody know he's hurting. I've had ankle recon, OH surgury, rot cuff issues, and a weak lower back, and I go out and play golf and look at the positive, not the negative, and I don't over react to my pain like Tiger does. He must have taken acting lessons because he's a good actor! I use to be a fan of Tiger, but his weakness in character has turned me off to his skills. I appreciate your opinion, just don't agree with all of it. I don't believe in Karma, but what goes around comes around for Tiger!
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What's not to agree with since we are in agreement. It's just that we are using different words trying to say a similar thing. I believe you reap what you sow. Tiger sells himself and his skills for lots of money as well as fame and glory. He's lived his life burning hot and the body will always win out in the end - in spite of advances in medical science.

As to his acting, from the older videos I watched, he was putting on a show from the moment he first appeared on TV. Like lots of people, he loved being the center of attention - a winner, but that comes with a price and as he got older he still liked being the center of attention as a winner, but seemed to like the price less and less.

Forums are what they are - personnally I prefer to grab a pint and sit and chat after a round, face to face ... cheers!

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='BenHoganSlam1953' timestamp='1394637829' post='8855437']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394635859' post='8855155']
Regardless, Tiger likes to emote over his pain, and let everybody know he's hurting. I've had ankle recon, OH surgury, rot cuff issues, and a weak lower back, and I go out and play golf and look at the positive, not the negative, and I don't over react to my pain like Tiger does. He must have taken acting lessons because he's a good actor! I use to be a fan of Tiger, but his weakness in character has turned me off to his skills. I appreciate your opinion, just don't agree with all of it. I don't believe in Karma, but what goes around comes around for Tiger!
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What's not to agree with since we are in agreement. It's just that we are using different words trying to say a similar thing. I believe you reap what you sow. Tiger sells himself and his skills for lots of money as well as fame and glory. He's lived his life burning hot and the body will always win out in the end - in spite of advances in medical science.

As to his acting, from the older videos I watched, he was putting on a show from the moment he first appeared on TV. Like lots of people, he loved being the center of attention - a winner, but that comes with a price and as he got older he still liked being the center of attention as a winner, but seemed to like the price less and less.

Forums are what they are - personnally I prefer to grab a pint and sit and chat after a round, face to face ... cheers!
[/quote]Ok, I see. TY!

[TJCDAS]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394635859' post='8855155']
Regardless, Tiger likes to emote over his pain, and let everybody know he's hurting. I've had ankle recon, OH surgury, rot cuff issues, and a weak lower back, and I go out and play golf and look at the positive, not the negative, and I don't over react to my pain like Tiger does. He must have taken acting lessons because he's a good actor! I use to be a fan of Tiger, but his weakness in character has turned me off to his skills. I appreciate your opinion, just don't agree with all of it. I don't believe in Karma, but what goes around comes around for Tiger!
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Woods has never been forthright with information regarding injuries, who knows what his back situation is but playing the back card and not taking time off seems to be a bit suspect. Maybe his back is made of wood.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwhCcFE-ClU[/media]

[Shankopottamus]

I've had back spasms but I'm no Tiger Woods when it comes to pain tolerance apparently. I've had my share of broken bones, muscle spasms, and general aches and pains from contact sports but I've never felt anything close to the back spasms I had roughly four years ago. The first spasm took me down to my knees, the second to the bed since I was standing right next to it when it hit. I went to the floor and getting to my feet to go to the chiropractor took all I had as evidenced by me breaking out into a cold sweat. My spasms lasted nearly three hours before the subsided and the pain after kept me off the golf course for more than two weeks.

I don't KNOW what Tiger has. I do KNOW/BELIEVE that if his were anything like mine he would have been able to swing a club let alone walk a golf course except for very, very slowly. Yes, he's ten years younger than I and it much better physical shape but a man who buckles down to his knees after one swing is not able to come back and play golf at any level. He could be giving in to pain easily to protect from further injury. He's got to be hurting but back spasms don't allow a golfer to play golf and muscle pain in the back that results in pings and tightness are NOT spasms.

[legitimategolf]

All Tiger needs to do is what [size=8]I[/size] do when I get a bit locked up--work out them knots using a tennis ball--and he will be good to go.

Duh.

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='exquisitechip' timestamp='1394652642' post='8857233']
All Tiger needs to do is what [size=8]I[/size] do when I get a bit locked up--work out them knots using a tennis ball--and he will be good to go.

Duh.
[/quote]You like the tennis ball method? Have you ever tried a foam roller?

[Lodestone]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1394653432' post='8857331']
[quote name='exquisitechip' timestamp='1394652642' post='8857233']
All Tiger needs to do is what [size=8]I[/size] do when I get a bit locked up--work out them knots using a tennis ball--and he will be good to go.

Duh.
[/quote]You like the tennis ball method? Have you ever tried a foam roller?
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I have both. Foam roller and tennis ball. it hurts so good.

[devlin3000]

[quote name='StraightDriver235' timestamp='1394425068' post='8837623']
Tiger seems finished to me. I am not a hater, and indeed found him more human after his marital meltdown. His swing looks terribly contrived to me, and for years now he cannot solve his major dipping problem at the start of the downswing. With his youthful, not bulked up swing, the dip was not so exacerbated. he simply cannot drive the ball straight enough. He is way too musclebound. He was so much of a better golfer in his youth. nicklaus perfected his motion with age, and indeed made a swing overhaul to flatten it a little and hit more draws. One gets the feeling with the driver Tiger does not know where the ball is going, and with the short irons, he continues to have serious length control issues... again, the swing changes he has made has exacerbated his dipping problem. That lack of stress at the top of his backswing is permanently gone it seems to me. He knows a lot about the golf swing, but apparently not that much about his own body. His swing is prosaic and not a natural fluid motion. He is really fighting himself. He needs to reinvent himself or he is basically going to settle for being an okay tour player. His good scores seem to come simply from remembering the confidence he once had. Sorry Tiger.

By the way, want to comment on the destruction of a Dick Wilson gem by one of the biggest losers alive. there ought to be laws to prevent people like Trump from rennovating masterpiece architecture. I'm sure if he owned Falling Water he would find a way to turn it into some sort of spa. That golf puts up with such a louse speaks to the state of the game today... that it is falling apart under the weight of ideological capitalism. We have Trump cologne! I can't tell you how that has helped my love life; and Trump ties, so much better than that Hermes and Ferragamo crap, and now we have Trump Doral. the gushing of the media has been sickening, and any clamor, Luke Donald's text, has been silenced and apologized for. Let us all bow and scrape to the hierarchy of money! I thought there were things about golf that could not be bought. When will a real golf pro stand up and boycott this crap?
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I don't know if you actually understand what tiger did for the tour and all golf players.
to call tiger an 'average' tour player is asinine beyond belief...and I don't really like tiger, but I understand what he's done for the tour and continues to do for the tour and all tour players.
as for the rest of your comments I kind of agree with your comments.
Trump is about trump nothing else
I don't know if trump is a good match for the tour or not, only the future will tell
Devlin