3 hour front nine?

[Lodestone]

[quote name='marmooskapaul' timestamp='1396279003' post='8986555']
It was beautiful out yesterday!! You guys actually staid inside to watch the Valero??? tournament?? Get out and play!!
All done
Paul
[/quote]

not here. cold, rainy, windy spitting ice pellets….

[gators78]

[quote name='PooN' timestamp='1396276491' post='8986249']
I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. Yeah, slow play, 10 practice swings/stepaways, and 6 hour tournaments can be brutal to watch, but these guys play for so much money... the difference by [b]one stroke[/b] for this and many tournaments is [b]$570,400[/b]. The difference by two strokes for this and many is [b]$843,200[/b]. Each additional stroke has got to weigh on the minds of these guys more than you or I can even imagine - especially guys that haven't been in final group positions before.

Also, for almost the entire round, even the slow group that got put on the clock was still directly behind the group ahead. So if they have to wait in the fairway for 5 minutes for the green to clear, then take an extra minute and a half to address and hit their ball, once they get to the next teebox they still have to wait... what is the issue?

Plus, these guys are friggin good. When they take practice swings they have a purpose far superior to yours and mine. They visualize the shot in a different way than us mere mortals. Not only that, but they have the skill to make that visualization a reality.
[indent=1]
“I never hit a shot, not even in practice, without having a very sharp, in-focus picture of it in my head. First I see the ball where I want it to finish, nice and white and sitting up high on the bright green grass. Then the scene quickly changes, and I see the ball going there; its path, trajectory, and shape, even its behavior on landing. Then there is a sort of fade-out, and the next scene shows me making the kind of swing that will turn the previous images into reality.”
Source: Jack Nicklaus[/indent]

So let's put all this into perspective... you ever had a $570,400 putt or felt the pain of hitting it in the water on 18 knowing you just lost the [opportunity cost of a] house?
Probably not. Let's not pretend we play anything close to the same game. 6 hours to make sure every shot is as good as it can be for 79 players over 18 holes is not so outragous.
[/quote]


Your conclusion is based on the assumption that taking MORE time equals BETTER play, which pretty much across the board sports psychologists and top players say is incorrect.

The other problem I have with this is hey nobody is faulting Loupe for taking extra time on his second shot into 18 Sunday...but what the hell is his excuse on the front nine on Saturday? Or Na on Thursday?

[paulshack]

should just penalize them a stroke for slow play instead of any dumb warnings that wont work
start doing it a few times a tourney

in a year slow play is no more an issue

fixed

wow such hard issue to resolve (not)

kick the 70 year olds outta the pga tour board. everything they do is slow

[highdraw69]

[quote name='golfpros1' timestamp='1396283865' post='8987201']
[quote name='pinkie' timestamp='1396279088' post='8986573']
The fans have to start doing something if the PGA Tour won't. WE should boo players who take excessive amounts of time. Why not? They are killing the game for everyone in more ways than one.
[/quote]

I've read this several times. Not to single you out with this opinion, but why is it killing the game for everyone? Why would anything in pro golf tournaments prevent me from enjoying the game at the club level? To me, it's like saying what happens in the NBA is killing me from playing pick up basketball games at the local park. I just really don't see the connection.
[/quote]

i think there really is a connection; i played recently with a younger kid (early 20s) who took TWELVE practice swings before every shot, then proceded to shoot in the 90s; a buddy of mine was playing with me and we got randomly paired with this kid...my buddy quit after 9 holes; this kid obviously picked up this ridiculous "routine" from watching pros

[Redhill]

Some have mentioned that the PGA Tour will do nothing as long as the $$$ continues to come in. Maybe so.....but if enough viewers turn the channel and the revenue from other sources starts to dry up, then they will turn their attention to it. I found my self watching Bball games and checking back every once in a while to see the scores. Finally I stopped checking back until what I thought was the end of the round and they were still on 16.

I'm not sure that I completely understand the existing rule. Is the whole group timed or is it just an individual golfer that gets timed? If it's the group, then two faster guys can cover from a slow one which is what was happening. Why is it that the player/group has to post two bad times back to back to get a penalty? Shouldn't a single bad time get the stroke? Do they not know the rule?

Some of the great golfers have been notoriously slow as in Jack Niclaus and Eldrick. Both of them,but especially Jack have set the model for slow play that we see popping up on the munis of today. They say they are deliberate but they take a very long time to be deliberate, so I call them slow.

[NorthTexasGlfr]

[quote name='PooN' timestamp='1396284258' post='8987255']
[quote name='North Texas' timestamp='1396281079' post='8986855']
So the pace of play should have a direct correlation to the amount of money that is at stake. Following this logic that means that if prize money continues to increase that 7 hours will not be outrageous at some point and eventually 8 hours. The biggest problem with saying that 6 hours is not so outrageous is that if 6 hours is the "norm" you will never finish the first two rounds of a tournament if it is taking 6 hours.
[/quote]

I disagree. It would be a fallacy to argue that there is a "direct correlation" in regards to the amount of time vs the amount of money. That is to say, it would not mean a $10 prize pool should take 1 hour, a $100 prize pool should take 2 hours, a $1000 prize pool should take 3 hours, etc. It is simply a matter of an amount of money so huge that extra time is taken. I'm sure statistical analysis could come up with a number to quantify just how much time is taken on average at certain dollar amounts, but I would assume it would be based in seconds (if any difference at all), not minutes when going from say, 1st place being 1 million dollars or 1.6 million dollars.

Even still, 6 hour rounds are not the norm.

Note: even though I am arguing that players are taking their time because of the amount of money at stake, I still agree with the consensus that the PGA does need to create a better atmosphere to ensure that 6 hour rounds are not commonplace. I believe there could be changes that may help: (ie. rules officials on every hole, an allotted time frame for each player's shot (or some such), etc.)
[/quote]

I admit that I'm probably not understanding the point you are trying to make.
But that's probably because I'm still astounded by this quote from your original post; [i]6 hours to make sure every shot is as good as it can be for 79 players over 18 holes is not so outrageous.[/i]

[JimNewton]

If I ran the world, I would:

A) Suspend Loupe and order him to attend counseling and fix his pre-shot ordeal. I don't care if he's playing for the grand slam, that was over the top excessive.
B) Consider enacting some sort of rule around the amount of times you can back off the ball. e.g. you can back off once or twice, but after that once you walk up to it you have to hit or it's a stroke. That was completely absurd to watch.

[PooN]

[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1396284418' post='8987281']
[quote name='PooN' timestamp='1396276491' post='8986249']
I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. Yeah, slow play, 10 practice swings/stepaways, and 6 hour tournaments can be brutal to watch, but these guys play for so much money... the difference by [b]one stroke[/b] for this and many tournaments is [b]$570,400[/b]. The difference by two strokes for this and many is [b]$843,200[/b]. Each additional stroke has got to weigh on the minds of these guys more than you or I can even imagine - especially guys that haven't been in final group positions before.

Also, for almost the entire round, even the slow group that got put on the clock was still directly behind the group ahead. So if they have to wait in the fairway for 5 minutes for the green to clear, then take an extra minute and a half to address and hit their ball, once they get to the next teebox they still have to wait... what is the issue?

Plus, these guys are friggin good. When they take practice swings they have a purpose far superior to yours and mine. They visualize the shot in a different way than us mere mortals. Not only that, but they have the skill to make that visualization a reality.
[indent=1]
“I never hit a shot, not even in practice, without having a very sharp, in-focus picture of it in my head. First I see the ball where I want it to finish, nice and white and sitting up high on the bright green grass. Then the scene quickly changes, and I see the ball going there; its path, trajectory, and shape, even its behavior on landing. Then there is a sort of fade-out, and the next scene shows me making the kind of swing that will turn the previous images into reality.”
Source: Jack Nicklaus[/indent]

So let's put all this into perspective... you ever had a $570,400 putt or felt the pain of hitting it in the water on 18 knowing you just lost the [opportunity cost of a] house?
Probably not. Let's not pretend we play anything close to the same game. 6 hours to make sure every shot is as good as it can be for 79 players over 18 holes is not so outragous.
[/quote]


Your conclusion is based on the assumption that taking MORE time equals BETTER play, which pretty much across the board sports psychologists and top players say is incorrect.

The other problem I have with this is hey nobody is faulting Loupe for taking extra time on his second shot into 18 Sunday...but what the hell is his excuse on the front nine on Saturday? Or Na on Thursday?
[/quote]
These guys are playing very exacting shots, with very specific trajectories, landing zones, flight paths, etc. in mind. When they take multiple practice swings it is a matter of precision. When they back off the shot it is a matter of precision. When they talk with their caddies about wind/slope/carry/etc it is about precision. Their skill level allows them to take every single little thing into account and place the ball with exacting precision (most of the time).
This differs from the common man in so many ways on so many levels. Please don't pretend that your (and my) preshot routine is the same as a PGA pro. If a top echelon player takes 12 practice swings and steps away 2 times, it is because the shot they are envisioning isn't available to them yet - either from within their own mind or because of the wind or whatever... or they are trying to dial in (again, with an obscene amount of precision) some swing process to make the ball do exactly what they want.

I'm not trying to be mean or downplay anyone's game here, but let's be honest... these guys have a different level of play, one that we can barely fathom unless we truly think of it in the deepest of terms. Think how hard it is to get from a 4 handicap to a 3. Even harder still to jump from a 3 to a 2. How about from 1 to scratch. Now let's get from scratch to +1, +2, etc. Then remember that Tiger has played to a +8.

I liken it to a college level Trigonometry student thinking they would have the ability to call the shots at Mission Control for the Mars landing. Sure you may have some skill/knowledge, but you have no idea the level of skill those in the actual position of greatness have. The conceptions that apply to your skill set wouldn't/shouldn't necessarily translate to the top echelon gamers.

[daveltb]

The gallery should have been shouting "While we're young".
I shut it off after 13. What a waste of my afternoon. I wonder if the annoucers would have been so critical if it was the British Open? They get tough condtions and it doesn't seem to take 3 hours for nine holes.

[spagett34]

Loupe makes Na look like Lanny Watkins.

[blwallace5]

[quote name='highdraw69' timestamp='1396284479' post='8987299']
[quote name='golfpros1' timestamp='1396283865' post='8987201']
[quote name='pinkie' timestamp='1396279088' post='8986573']
The fans have to start doing something if the PGA Tour won't. WE should boo players who take excessive amounts of time. Why not? They are killing the game for everyone in more ways than one.
[/quote]

I've read this several times. Not to single you out with this opinion, but why is it killing the game for everyone? Why would anything in pro golf tournaments prevent me from enjoying the game at the club level? To me, it's like saying what happens in the NBA is killing me from playing pick up basketball games at the local park. I just really don't see the connection.
[/quote]

i think there really is a connection; i played recently with a younger kid (early 20s) who took TWELVE practice swings before every shot, then proceded to shoot in the 90s; a buddy of mine was playing with me and we got randomly paired with this kid...my buddy quit after 9 holes; this kid obviously picked up this ridiculous "routine" from watching pros
[/quote]

I'll call bs on that. Most of the people I play with shoot anywhere from 90-110, and I know for a fact only one of them watches golf on tv. Almost everyone of them plays at a snails pace and takes a million practice swings. It has much more to do with their poor mechanics and setup making them feel uncomfortable over the ball, and if venture I say this is true of most recreational golfers. I try to teach them that the longer they take the more they tense up, and it has actually sped a few of them up.

[gators78]

[quote name='PooN' timestamp='1396287687' post='8987703']
These guys are playing very exacting shots, with very specific trajectories, landing zones, flight paths, etc. in mind. When they take multiple practice swings it is a matter of precision. When they back off the shot it is a matter of precision. When they talk with their caddies about wind/slope/carry/etc it is about precision. Their skill level allows them to take every single little thing into account and place the ball with exacting precision (most of the time).
This differs from the common man in so many ways on so many levels. Please don't pretend that your (and my) preshot routine is the same as a PGA pro. If a top echelon player takes 12 practice swings and steps away 2 times, it is because the shot they are envisioning isn't available to them yet - either from within their own mind or because of the wind or whatever... or they are trying to dial in (again, with an obscene amount of precision) some swing process to make the ball do exactly what they want.

I'm not trying to be mean or downplay anyone's game here, but let's be honest... these guys have a different level of play, one that we can barely fathom unless we truly think of it in the deepest of terms. Think how hard it is to get from a 4 handicap to a 3. Even harder still to jump from a 3 to a 2. How about from 1 to scratch. Now let's get from scratch to +1, +2, etc. Then remember that Tiger has played to a +8.

I liken it to a college level Trigonometry student thinking they would have the ability to call the shots at Mission Control for the Mars landing. Sure you may have some skill/knowledge, but you have no idea the level of skill those in the actual position of greatness have. The conceptions that apply to your skill set wouldn't/shouldn't necessarily translate to the top echelon gamers.
[/quote]

Having played college golf, and in national tournaments as a junior, I have a great idea of what the routine looks like for the best players, so I'll have to call bs.

Have you ever played with someone that's played in Tour events? Spoiler, I was amazed at how simple it was. They walk up and take a look at how the ball is sitting. They've mapped out a course already (or their caddy has), so they know where to hit it. They ask the yardage and/or how far they have to fly it. Check the wind if necessary. Maybe take a practice swing for some move they've grooved already with ten million balls. Pull the trigger. The guy shot four under basically doing golf by numbers half asleep, it was unreal (It was also in about 3.5 hours for our foursome).

What's the number I need to land it. What's the wind doing. What's my lie look like. That's it. That's all you have control over. The rest is [b]pointless[/b] to worry about, so you can do all the Mars rover landing comparisons you want, but ultimately it's pretty straightforward for 99.9% of the shots those guys play.

[PooN]

[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1396292666' post='8988397']
Having played college golf, and in national tournaments as a junior, I have a great idea of what the routine looks like for the best players, so I'll have to call bs.

Have you ever played with someone that's played in Tour events? Spoiler, I was amazed at how simple it was. They walk up and take a look at how the ball is sitting. They've mapped out a course already (or their caddy has), so they know where to hit it. They ask the yardage and/or how far they have to fly it. Check the wind if necessary. Maybe take a practice swing for some move they've grooved already with ten million balls. Pull the trigger. The guy shot four under basically doing golf by numbers half asleep, it was unreal (It was also in about 3.5 hours for our foursome).

What's the number I need to land it. What's the wind doing. What's my lie look like. That's it. That's all you have control over. The rest is [b]pointless[/b] to worry about, so you can do all the Mars rover landing comparisons you want, but ultimately it's pretty straightforward for 99.9% of the shots those guys play.
[/quote]

That is where you are wrong...

The fact that you play in a tournament does not make your shot or preshot routine or comprehension of all things that go into a shot anything like the pros. What length were you playing at? What were your greens stimping at? What was the depth of your rough? Did they shave the greens down to the nub for your tourneys? What was the slope rating? How many were in the gallery? What did it mean to you if you didn't win?

Let's also say that you have an exceptional amount of skill and play regularly in your tournaments. I'll give you 10 balls in the left rough 195 yards out and I would venture a guess that you may hit and hold the green 3 times - where a pro would more than likely miss the green 3 times. These aren't actual real numbers, but you have to get what I'm saying. To think you are anywhere near as good as these guys because you play tournaments is pretty rich. If you honestly give it some thought... what you think about during a preshot and what someone that can knock the nuts off a gnat from 100 yards thinks about probably differ slightly. If the wind changes slightly for your shot you may just be like, "meh, i'm just gonna hit it anyways since the wind is pretty constant and I can't control it anyways." If a pro thought like that in scenarios like that, they very well may end up playing in the tournament you are playing in.

[JimNewton]

Nobody should be entitled to back off the ball 11 times and take 30 practice swings, just because they are a great player and that's what it takes to stick it from 195.

There's a line between doing what you need to do to hit it right and being an inconsiderate snail.

[gators78]

[quote name='PooN' timestamp='1396293914' post='8988533']
[quote name='gators78' timestamp='1396292666' post='8988397']
Having played college golf, and in national tournaments as a junior, I have a great idea of what the routine looks like for the best players, so I'll have to call bs.

Have you ever played with someone that's played in Tour events? Spoiler, I was amazed at how simple it was. They walk up and take a look at how the ball is sitting. They've mapped out a course already (or their caddy has), so they know where to hit it. They ask the yardage and/or how far they have to fly it. Check the wind if necessary. Maybe take a practice swing for some move they've grooved already with ten million balls. Pull the trigger. The guy shot four under basically doing golf by numbers half asleep, it was unreal (It was also in about 3.5 hours for our foursome).

What's the number I need to land it. What's the wind doing. What's my lie look like. That's it. That's all you have control over. The rest is [b]pointless[/b] to worry about, so you can do all the Mars rover landing comparisons you want, but ultimately it's pretty straightforward for 99.9% of the shots those guys play.
[/quote]

That is where you are wrong...

The fact that you play in a tournament does not make your shot or preshot routine or comprehension of all things that go into a shot anything like the pros. What length were you playing at? What were your greens stimping at? What was the depth of your rough? Did they shave the greens down to the nub for your tourneys? What was the slope rating? How many were in the gallery? What did it mean to you if you didn't win?

Let's also say that you have an exceptional amount of skill and play regularly in your tournaments. I'll give you 10 balls in the left rough 195 yards out and I would venture a guess that you may hit and hold the green 3 times - where a pro would more than likely miss the green 3 times. These aren't actual real numbers, but you have to get what I'm saying. To think you are anywhere near as good as these guys because you play tournaments is pretty rich. If you honestly give it some thought... what you think about during a preshot and what someone that can knock the nuts off a gnat from 100 yards thinks about probably differ slightly. If the wind changes slightly for your shot you may just be like, "meh, i'm just gonna hit it anyways since the wind is pretty constant and I can't control it anyways." If a pro thought like that in scenarios like that, they very well may end up playing in the tournament you are playing in.
[/quote]

No, if you read what I'm saying it was I've watched first hand what these pros look like and taking all day is not the norm, at all. I'm nowhere near them in terms of talent and never claimed to be, but was lucky enough to see them somewhat up close before college.

Since I've shown my cards and apparently it's not good enough, for the sake of discussion what's your experience and handicap.

[oiler45]

Exactly right gator. If every single PGA pro took 6 hours to play 18 I may agree that they play a different game than us hacks do - timewise. But - Snedeker can get around in 3 hours and last time I checked he has a + handicap as well. Point is the slow players play slow because they are allowed to - not because their game is dependant upon it. Threesomes taking 3 hours to play 9 holes is ridiculous - I don't care how windy it is or how much money you are playing for.

[mesquite2]

Rained all weekend here in NJ. I turned the golf on at 1:00 & turned it off not soon after, I want to see players hit as many shot as possible. The TV crew kept showing Loupe's routine, why?, from now on Loupe or Na & other slow players shouldn't be shown on TV at all.

[NorthTexasGlfr]

[quote name='oiler45' timestamp='1396294834' post='8988643']
Exactly right gator. If every single PGA pro took 6 hours to play 18 I may agree that they play a different game than us hacks do - timewise. But - Snedeker can get around in 3 hours and last time I checked he has a + handicap as well. [b]Point is the slow players play slow because they are allowed to - not because their game is dependant upon it.[/b] [b]Threesomes taking 3 hours to play 9 holes is ridiculous - I don't care how windy it is or how much money you are playing for.
[/b][/quote]

Well said and hits the nail on the head.
That said, as others have mentioned, we can discuss, b****, and moan all we want but nothing will be done about until it affects the bottom line. The tour, i.e. Tim Finchem, has made that very clear.

[pingfool]

[quote name='mesquite2' timestamp='1396295371' post='8988711']
Rained all weekend here in NJ. I turned the golf on at 1:00 & turned it off not soon after, I want to see players hit as many shot as possible. The TV crew kept showing Loupe's routine, why?, from now on Loupe or Na & other slow players shouldn't be shown on TV at all.
[/quote]

excellent point - NBC could have directed/produced broadcast without showing the 3hr front nine

unfortunately they were all in the last group...

lot of blame to go around - glad to have clicker and march madness to switch to

[jnradioactive]

[quote name='marmooskapaul' timestamp='1396279003' post='8986555']
It was beautiful out yesterday!! You guys actually staid inside to watch the Valero??? tournament?? Get out and play!!
All done
Paul
[/quote]

Yes the weather outside your window is the weather everywhere...

[Prof3ssor]

[quote name='tmfool ' timestamp='1396297786' post='8988991']
[quote name='mesquite2' timestamp='1396295371' post='8988711']
Rained all weekend here in NJ. I turned the golf on at 1:00 & turned it off not soon after, I want to see players hit as many shot as possible. The TV crew kept showing Loupe's routine, why?, from now on Loupe or Na & other slow players shouldn't be shown on TV at all.
[/quote]

excellent point - NBC could have directed/produced broadcast without showing the 3hr front nine

unfortunately they were all in the last group...

lot of blame to go around - glad to have clicker and march madness to switch to
[/quote]

I am finding that I actually prefer to watch the GC's coverage on the range before they turn it over to NBC. I love watching the guys warm up and seeing the pro-tracer. It beats watching 2 foot putts all day long.

[super20dan]

they no longer show furyck,s whole routine any more.

[PGArox]

[quote name='marmooskapaul' timestamp='1396279003' post='8986555']
It was beautiful out yesterday! You guys actually stayed inside to watch the Valero tournament? Get out and play!

All done.
Paul
[/quote]

I am outdoors Monday through Friday for 12 hours each day, and can play a round of golf almost anytime I wish.

When the weekends come I love just sitting at home, relaxing, and watching the PGA TOUR.

For the record (and I've said this before) I really couldn't care less how long it takes the pros to play.

[Guia]

Poon: Bye your logic a pro quarterback should take forever to decide what to throw and to whom; same for a bowler, or a basketball player, a baseball pitcher. Rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, does not make sense.

[i*windows]

slower play = more ads = more $$$$ ?

[Vindog]

[quote name='marmooskapaul' timestamp='1396279003' post='8986555']
It was beautiful out yesterday!! You guys actually staid inside to watch the Valero??? tournament?? Get out and play!!
All done
Paul
[/quote]

Since the weather is the same everywhere on the planet, this makes total sense!!!

[nichho]

[quote name='PooN' timestamp='1396276491' post='8986249']
I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. Yeah, slow play, 10 practice swings/stepaways, and 6 hour tournaments can be brutal to watch,[b] but these guys play for so much money... the difference by one stroke for this and many tournaments is $570,400. The difference by two strokes for this and many is $843,200.[/b] Each additional stroke has got to weigh on the minds of these guys more than you or I can even imagine - especially guys that haven't been in final group positions before.

Also, for almost the entire round, even the slow group that got put on the clock was still directly behind the group ahead. So if they have to wait in the fairway for 5 minutes for the green to clear, then take an extra minute and a half to address and hit their ball, once they get to the next teebox they still have to wait... what is the issue?

Plus, these guys are friggin good. When they take practice swings they have a purpose far superior to yours and mine. They visualize the shot in a different way than us mere mortals. Not only that, but they have the skill to make that visualization a reality.
[indent=1]
“I never hit a shot, not even in practice, without having a very sharp, in-focus picture of it in my head. First I see the ball where I want it to finish, nice and white and sitting up high on the bright green grass. Then the scene quickly changes, and I see the ball going there; its path, trajectory, and shape, even its behavior on landing. Then there is a sort of fade-out, and the next scene shows me making the kind of swing that will turn the previous images into reality.”
Source: Jack Nicklaus[/indent]

So let's put all this into perspective... you ever had a $570,400 putt or felt the pain of hitting it in the water on 18 knowing you just lost the [opportunity cost of a] house?
Probably not. Let's not pretend we play anything close to the same game. 6 hours to make sure every shot is as good as it can be for 79 players over 18 holes is not so outragous.
[/quote]

Only for as long as the funding is there and 6 hour rounds will not help in maintaining it. People have and will switch off; no viewers means no TV equals no sponsors means no prize fund.
On Thursday and Friday Sky (taking their feed from the US) failed to show the last few groups finishing. On Saturday they squeezed in the final putts of two of the final group into the broadcast after GC had finished their broadcast. The allotted time slot was up, the golfers couldn't (wouldn't) fit their round into it.
On Sunday I gave up before the finish, like someone else further up, I started switching during the breaks, became ever more frustrated with his pre-shot (none) routine and finally gave up.

[marmooskapaul]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1396353412' post='8993057']
[quote name='marmooskapaul' timestamp='1396279003' post='8986555']
It was beautiful out yesterday!! You guys actually staid inside to watch the Valero??? tournament?? Get out and play!!
All done
Paul
[/quote]

Since the weather is the same everywhere on the planet, this makes total sense!!!
[/quote]

Well...there was also a couple killer basketball games on you guys could of watched instead...jk
Paul

[baileyoconnell]

Slow play on tour will kill viewership and the tour will lose sponsors.

Keep a tournament moving and keep viewer engaged.

USGA and RA will impose penalties, why does the PGA tour not? By the time they do, they damage to the tour will already be done.

Unfortunately this carries over to the amatuer game.

No round regardless of skill level should take more than 4 hours.

I call out my playing partners when we are out of position.