Golf Channel Academy (Colin Montgomerie) Is tempo overlooked compared to all the mechanics on here ?

[goobers80]

I watched it on demands ands his tempo is just a nice example of what peoples shoulds focus on over so many other things. Tempo is barely ever mentioned on here. I actually thinks his tempo is nicer thans Fred Couples.

 

I liked how he saids he does nots hit it harder to make it go farther. Ands the other guy says how amateurs come in ands brag abouts hitting 8 iron 170 yards ands Monty laughed. Then saids do what you do with a 7 iron with a 6 iron insteads.

 

I coulds care less if his *low ands slow* comments are right or nots , but he also never saids *low ands slow* to the inside. These *older* golfers , i coulds just listen to thems talk abouts the game all day. I thinks there is a lots to learn. To me , i am nots listening to thems to learn how to *swing* the club , but their is so much information to take from them on how to *Golf.*

 

Anyways , i just always wonder why tempo is barely mentioned on here. You may or may nots need a *sound* swing to start with , but i thinks tempo is so important. I am nots saying the right elbow , the tilts , the other stuffs that is all over here is bad. I haves yet to see a terrible golfer in amateur tournaments with a fluid tempo.

[northgolf]

[quote name='stryper' timestamp='1396226333' post='8983123']
Okay, Goobers, I'll probably regret this, but I have to ask...what's with all the S's in your posts? I tend to think you have a great deal to contribute here, but the atrocious grammar is really distracting.
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stryper - read the tag above her avatar and be understanding.

[mizleft]

I enjoy her posts,always golf not grammar related

[stryper]

[quote name='northgolf' timestamp='1396226679' post='8983171']
stryper - read the tag above her avatar and be understanding.
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Ahhh, didn't see that....post deleted.

[mizleft]

If I'm not mistaken she qualified for state championships in GOLF

[Ball_Flgt_Flaw]

Great post. I agree that tempo does not get enough consideration as it impacts balance and timing. And tempo is a big part of facing the multitude of uneven or difficult lies on the course.

[goobers80]

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If I'm not mistaken she qualified for state championships in GOLF
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[color=#800080]I also won the State public links tournament in my state , also a regional amateur ands some regional events. I try with the esses. That is spelling though , nots grammar to me.[/color]

[color=#800080]I was just wondering abouts if tempo is a lost art in golf. It is rarely evers talked abouts on here. [/color]

[northgolf]

goobers,

The only threads I have seen on here about tempo have been focused on the Tour Tempo books and smartphone apps by John Novosel and John Garrity. The book focuses on a 3:1 ratio between the time for the backswing and the time for the forward swing into impact. Those are the threads that will specifically address tempo.

The other place where tempo/rhythm come up should be under the Ernest Jones and Manuel De La Torre threads. Tempo and rhythm are critical to their methods as the feel is describe as "swing the club head" or "feeling the arms swing the entire club": the swing in this case implies tempo and rhythm.

I think one reason tempo and rhythm are rarely talked about on here may be due to them being an expression of timing and any swing that requires timing is viewed as more difficult.

As to tempo being a lost art, the swings that are the most powerful and look the easiest are a clear demonstration of that art. Mechanics are easy to teach, art is another thing entirely.

[stryper]

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[quote name='mizleft' timestamp='1396227111' post='8983225']
If I'm not mistaken she qualified for state championships in GOLF
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[color=#800080]I also won the State public links tournament in my state , also a regional amateur ands some regional events. I try with the esses. That is spelling though , nots grammar to me.[/color]

[color=#800080]I was just wondering abouts if tempo is a lost art in golf. It is rarely evers talked abouts on here. [/color]
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My apologies...no doubt I respect your game, and as I said, I think you contribute much here. Does baffle me, however, that spell-check/auto-correct doesn't catch the spelling.

To your point: Tour Tempo has been thoroughly vetted here. I'm a fan. John Novosel has been a contributor to GolfWRX, and I think his work represents an important piece to the puzzle of the golf swing.

[oikos1]

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[quote name='mizleft' timestamp='1396227111' post='8983225']
If I'm not mistaken she qualified for state championships in GOLF
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[color=#800080]I also won the State public links tournament in my state , also a regional amateur ands some regional events. I try with the esses. That is spelling though , nots grammar to me.[/color]

[color=#800080]I was just wondering abouts if tempo is a lost art in golf. It is rarely evers talked abouts on here. [/color]
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Good topic, goobers. When I get quick in transition, and lose my tempo, the ball is going left. How far left depends...

It's hard to talk about as it is hard to quantify. You can't see it, although we see the results of it, you really have to feel it. And only you can feel your tempo. Tour Tempo tried to quantify it with the 3:1 ratio, but where do you go from there as a student or instructor? It is difficult to teach.

[goobers80]

[color=#800080]A lots of the words do nots come up as *wrong* , nor do i understands why it matters really. It is nots like we are playing Clue or reading mystery novels that coulds *baffle* you.[/color]

[color=#800080]I am nots talking abouts the Tour Tempo stuffs as i thinks everybody has to find their *own* tempo. The 3:1 ratio may be the ideas of it , but everybody still has their *own* tempo. I am nots saying it is easily teached , but it is mostly mechanics in golf. As a guy said in a Golf Channel spot for the Tour Tempo , he really hads no *time* to think abouts anything but getting to the top when it *beeped.* You coulds almost argue tempo could fix other swing issues alone.[/color]

[color=#800080] I watch Colin Montgomerie ands like a Fred Couples , the tempo is just the first thing you see. Tiger these days seems to haves lost his earlier tempo in favor of a more *violent* move at the balls. Tiger in 1997 hads a such a nice powerful move , but a much more artsy tempo looking swing.[/color]

[color=#800080]I just do nots *buy* that you can teach a person to *lead with right elbows* , but cannots find their natural tempo. That tour tempo gadget coulds easily be used in instruction. I thinks everybody has one ands shoulds really find it. It is impossible to be consistent if your tempo is nots consistent. Anyways , just something to think abouts (whether it be my baffling esses or the tempo part of the posts).[/color]

[Jacob Mac]

Goobers, what do you do to swing with good tempo?

[oikos1]

"[color=#800080]You coulds almost argue tempo could fix other swing issues alone."[/color]

Agree with this. I also think that some are taught or think they need to do something in their swing that doesn't match their tempo. It can take a long time to get through that...

[goobers80]

[quote]Goobers, what do you do to swing with good tempo? [/quote]

[color=#800080]I haves learned to *pay attention* to my good shots versus my bad shots. Too slow goings down , is fat. Too fast going down is off the toe. Too slow going back , tends to lead to too fast goings back. Too fast goings back , tends to lead to too slow going down. This is my personal *feel* for my needs. I am nots always in balance due to having balance issues in life. I also finds it is easier to find a tempo through your short game that applies to your full swings.[/color]

[color=#800080]Just one example is i was struggling to hit quality irons last week. I started hitting punch shots ands chip shots with my irons , which gave me a tempo *feel* for my full swings again.[/color]

[color=#800080]I feel quick transitions or too slow backswings or combinations of it all. My only mechanics is staying *connected* in the backswings. Rory is a good example , as you can see when his tempo is *off.* Jim Furyk too , especially on short games shots. [/color]

[color=#800080]You all know those guys who give up caring ands start hitting the ball good by their *standards.* That is the stuffs i pay attentions to. Not positions ands all. You do need solid foundations for a golf swing , everybody knows this. There is a guy on here that posts his swing videos with a pretty solid swing , yet it is all abouts positions ands mechanics. Tempo might just be all he *needs.*[/color]

[color=#800080]I am a feel player ands maybe it just is that you have to *feel* your tempo. You can try to teach elbows leading stuffs to peoples , but working on tempo is different.[/color]

[color=#800080]I brought up that Colin Montgomerie Golf Academy episode because his personal tempo was just so cool to watch ands how it stayed consistent. All i was trying to point outs is that maybe tempo is a problem a lot of peoples on here have ands never gave it much thought. I am a believer in things like this will fix more issues than some other instruction stuffs. You coulds dismiss it as nonsense , as i am nots great with words.[/color]

[Redpro]

Sam, I think tempo is a problem more than we know . . . and thanks for your observations!

I have always found myself trying too hard to pull off "the shot". When I do that, something is always out of synch and I rush it . .throwing my hands at the ball, rotating too fast, etc.

Gotta pinch myself before each shot to slow it all down and take it easy!

[Yepyukon]

Honestly, I think the issue with tempo has come from the new "fad" of golfers getting bigger (more fit) and wanting to hit the ball further and further. There are several issues that are very important that are often overlooked. Tempo is definitely towards the top of that list, as is grip pressure. Good topic goobers.

[xan_user]

Agreed goobers. Great thread! When my swing really goes out the window, I focus only on tempo to get it back.

[raindawg1]

Tempo is something I'm guilty of over looking. I've recently rediscoverd how with a slower tempo I hit through the ball so much better, better contact and better shots. My problem right now is if I'm not consciously thinking about it I revert back to bad habits. My usual is a slow take away followed by a fast transition that throws everything off. Then I sit there wondering why I just hit that big duck hook.

[hotsauce26]

I always felt that tempo was a good band-aid when I didn't quite know/understand what was wrong with my swing during a round.

Personally, when I get into mechanics, I tend to venture down the rabbit hole a little too much, and I overlook tempo and rhythm. When you're always going through a swing change it gets hard to have a nice tempo/rhythm since change feels so awkward.

Yes tempo/rhythm matters a bunch and can help mask flaws in mechanics, but it won't do you any good if you don't have a solid foundation to work off of.

[BenHoganSlam1953]

Probably because tempo is all about a personal "feel" which is unique to each of us and difficult to express in words, versus how relatively easy it is to convey mechanics and swing positions through words, images and video.

I'm working on my tempo by adjusting my fundamentals that control the golf swing, and adjusting them to narrow the gap between my natural rhythm and tempo when just swinging the club versus when I swing at the ball.

[goobers80]

[quote name='BenHoganSlam1953' timestamp='1396241050' post='8984721']
Probably because tempo is all about a personal "feel" which is unique to each of us and difficult to express in words, versus how relatively easy it is to convey mechanics and swing positions through words, images and video.

I'm working on my tempo by adjusting my fundamentals that control the golf swing, and adjusting them to narrow the gap between my natural rhythm and tempo when just swinging the club versus when I swing at the ball.
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[color=#800080]Possibly , but to me , a guy saying on here that froms your video you needs to *shallow the club more by leading with right elbow* is nots really *clear cut* instructions. Tempo is unique , but it shoulds be addressed just the same. To me it is beyonds confusing to understand mechanics through words , video , or images.[/color]

[color=#800080]I still thinks peoples shoulds go out and try to find their *unique* tempo. All those mechanics are kinds of pointless to me withouts it. Anyways , will nots repeat myself anymore , as i tried to bring up a thought for struggling golfers who probably have better swings thans they think.[/color]

[RBImGuy]

[quote name='goobers80' timestamp='1396231925' post='8983823']

[color=#800080]I was just wondering abouts if tempo is a lost art in golf. It is rarely evers talked abouts on here. [/color]
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I built a model for consistency to create perfect tempo.

[RBImGuy]

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[color=#800080]A lots of the words do nots come up as *wrong* , nor do i understands why it matters really. It is nots like we are playing Clue or reading mystery novels that coulds *baffle* you.[/color]


[color=#800080]I just do nots *buy* that you can teach a person to *lead with right elbows* , but cannots find their natural tempo. [/color]
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Golf instruction is lacking such tools, knowledge, skills etc...Monte can tell someone how to lead with the right elbow but he cant teach them tempo and consistency.
He is good with the modern swing still that happens.

Your basically asking golfers here to change their whole approach to the learning curve and game and mechancis.
That wont happen.

On a sidenote: Goobers IQ is a tad higher than most guys here btw.

[BenHoganSlam1953]

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[quote name='BenHoganSlam1953' timestamp='1396241050' post='8984721']
Probably because tempo is all about a personal "feel" which is unique to each of us and difficult to express in words, versus how relatively easy it is to convey mechanics and swing positions through words, images and video.

I'm working on my tempo by adjusting my fundamentals that control the golf swing, and adjusting them to narrow the gap between my natural rhythm and tempo when just swinging the club versus when I swing at the ball.
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[color=#800080]Possibly , but to me , a guy saying on here that froms your video you needs to *shallow the club more by leading with right elbow* is nots really *clear cut* instructions. Tempo is unique , but it shoulds be addressed just the same. To me it is beyonds confusing to understand mechanics through words , video , or images.[/color]

[color=#800080]I still thinks peoples shoulds go out and try to find their *unique* tempo. All those mechanics are kinds of pointless to me withouts it. Anyways , will nots repeat myself anymore , as i tried to bring up a thought for struggling golfers who probably have better swings thans they think.[/color]
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I agree with everything you're saying - pretty much with anything you say on this forum, I meant to give a reason why many people may choose to go the mechanical way instead of natural rhythm and tempo.

Myself, I've have always been a natural tempo swing type of golfer - when I say I'm tweaking my fundamentals to find my tempo it is all before the swing starts. I'm talking my grip, ball position, balance, stance width and posture - nothing concerning the actual swing mechanics. I'm trying to be able to get my body into a feeling of no tension so that my swing is as natural as skipping a rock or throwing a Frisbee. You can say I'm digging my swing out of the dirt "artificial turf" - I don't have any lessons or teachers I'm current using - just trying to groove my swing and feel the differences between when it works and when it doesn't. And I've been having amazing success over the last couple of months - looking forward to this season!

To me, the better way to learn golf (or any sport) is to watch and mimic as we did as children. As people get older a lot stop learning that way and try to do it through reading lots of stuff (thoughts) - a difficult way to learn something that needs to be the same as walking. We cannot think our legs into walking - it just happens naturally, based on a need or want - a golf swing is no different.

[juststeve]

My tempo is good when I remember to start the forward swing at the same pace as I ended the back swing. That way the club picks up speed as it approaches impact.

Conversely when we try to apply too much speed too soon our tempo suffers.

Steve

[rogermp53]

Great thread Goobers80! I had the priviledge of attending a golf clinic this last Sunday and Danny Lee, from the PGA Tour, and his swing coach, Drew Steckel, critiqued our golf swings. Both separately looked at our swings. Danny Lee said I had a good base (swing) and the one thing I needed to focus the most on was my tempo! When nervous and/or under pressure, I tend to rush the backswing which throws the rest of my swing off. I was just glad that I didn't shank one in front of him!

[mizleft]

Great post,I am guilty of getting too quick with the back swing which causes more issues than i want to think about!On the range one day and another golfer said you don't hit it with the back swing,great advice tempo!I agree with some other posts that I do loose tempo after a poor shot etc

[sanjaygolf]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a quick tempo. Nick Price had a quick tempo and is one of the greatest ball strikers ever. It's when that tempo gets out of rhythm is when you have problems. I think you'll notice a player's tempo often reflects their personality: Price is fidgety just like his swing; Couples is easy-breasy just like his swing.

[Dave D]

Tour tempo indicates that the best players have a 3 to 1 ratio of backswing frames to downswing frames. whether that be a quicker tempo such as 21:7 or a slightly slower 27:9.

only way I know to manage tempo is to video and check my ratio

[FullOfBrushMan]

[quote name='RBImGuy' timestamp='1396248586' post='8984959']
Your basically asking golfers here to change their whole approach to the learning curve and game and mechancis.
That wont happen.
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Please. I would swing the club with my feet if it worked better.

Good post OP.