Monte's No-Turn > Cast Drill...

[TheFlyingWASP]

Are you having success w/ it across all of your clubs?

[Bobalu]

[quote name='TheFlyingWASP' timestamp='1403822095' post='9585835']
Are you having success w/ it across all of your clubs?
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I've experienced improved contact with all of my irons, but especially so with shorter irons.

With driver, I don't focus on the swing thought as much, but with time and practice, the feel or sensation seems to carry over to the woods as well, with less conscious thought needed to make it happen.

[TheFlyingWASP]

Ok, so I'm on the right track. I've experienced great success w/ the short irons, but still need to get used to the longer ones. I'm amazed w/ the results on 9 iron down. I'm hitting it farther & better w/ less effort. Like I said, I'm flying greens, so I'm not totally in control yet, but still struggling w/ the longer ones. I'm sure it will pay off though.

[skylargolf]

[quote name='TheFlyingWASP' timestamp='1403822095' post='9585835']Are you having success w/ it across all of your clubs?[/quote]I have! I've been driving it really well with this swing thought!

[demclimber]

I really only "got" this drill last night. I think I was still trying to make a turn on the backswing. It really does feel like turning the club straight up (and Monte wants me to get the club more vertical anyway). But the "cast" downswing results in very crisp and solid contact, for me at least.

I still need to get my hips deeper and somehow trust myself to make contact so that I don't extend and stand up, but it's getting better.

Before, normal swing:
[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VQ2YGt9Ng[/media]

Doing the "no-turn, cast" feel:
[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozFpdxJgNRg[/media]

[mizguy]

This is a great drill. It's simple and it works through the whole bag.

[TheFlyingWASP]

Now that I'm using this technique I am making much better contact & the ball just flies now. No chunky shots at all. However, I'm noticing, especially on my shorter irons & into my wedges, I'm hitting the ball REALLY high now. My driver swing speed is 109 & I'm using CFS Stiffs in my i20's. Since I'm making better contact & hitting the ball farther & higher, could the high ball flight be from too soft of a flex in my irons, or are they supposed to go super high? I'm not noticing any distance loss. Like I said, they are flying farther for the most part.

[TMBob]

I have been trying to change my take away from more on the side of what Monte showed in the vid...to inside = bad. Here are two pics of me trying to find a feeling that will produce a better take back and setting of the club. Monte's drills should help me after watching this, correct Monte?

First one is me trying to feel the position and I think it's better. The second one is an actual swing and I freeze framed it and it felt like it was close, but of course it was not.


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[MonteScheinblum]

More up.

[kody17]

This swing philosophy has been the game changer for me. It has improved my iron game so much that its truly hard to believe. I was badly over rotating, so the "no turn" part has been a life saver. It also works very well with the driver once I realized I needed to shorten my driver length. I started choking up on the driver so the clubhead wasn't lagging so far behind, and boom, dead straight drives that I haven't seen for years. I am so used to playing a huge draw, I dont remember the last time I actually could aim straight down the fairway lol. Now I can all day. Thanks Monte, this drill/swing has really brought my game to the next level.

[TMBob]

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1403922232' post='9594455']
More up.
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Like pic 1??

[MonteScheinblum]

Yes

[Parzinski]

[quote name='TheFlyingWASP' timestamp='1403919246' post='9594139']
Now that I'm using this technique I am making much better contact & the ball just flies now. No chunky shots at all. However, I'm noticing, especially on my shorter irons & into my wedges, I'm hitting the ball REALLY high now. My driver swing speed is 109 & I'm using CFS Stiffs in my i20's. Since I'm making better contact & hitting the ball farther & higher, could the high ball flight be from too soft of a flex in my irons, or are they supposed to go super high? I'm not noticing any distance loss. Like I said, they are flying farther for the most part.
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"hitting the ball farther & higher".....

I've never been in a Research and Design meeting at an OEM, but I would bet "hitting farther/higher" is on the list of goals every time they are looking to improve a set of irons

IMO Too high is only a problem when it results in too short......or you play in windy conditions all the time

[tm3]

interesting drill.

i heard nicklaus quoted once about throwing the club from the top or "intentionally casting."

also i believe the peter croker system centers around an "intentional cast" from the top.

[Dinosaur]

[quote name='tm3' timestamp='1403972946' post='9596923']
interesting drill.

i heard nicklaus quoted once about throwing the club from the top or "intentionally casting."

also i believe the peter croker system centers around an "intentional cast" from the top.
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Monte is not the first, but his explanation is better in the way he communicates the feel along with the reason. Paul Wilson has something very similar but his focus is just using loose wrists from the top, but he never really explains how to get there in the first place as Monte does. I also like the thread in the video forum where the OP is referring to the "Vertical Release". Wilson's main mantra is "powerless arms", " loose wrists", "Lower body rotation" (touching knees). Somewhere in the midst of all these illustrations, one can find "his/her" swing or thoughts.

[tm3]

add wilson to the list of proponents. i find it amusing that "casting" has been referred to as a death move, while some great instructors and a great player see otherwise.

[Dinosaur]

[quote name='tm3' timestamp='1403983878' post='9597589']
add wilson to the list of proponents. i find it amusing that "casting" has been referred to as a death move, while some great instructors and a great player see otherwise.
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True, but I think a lot of it is the student, by following this instruction it speeds up the right arm to get in sync so that at impact, they are squared up. For others, as Monte mentioned earlier, it might not work or would result in a snap hook. Wilson showed a student going from 85 to 97 in just one swing by demonstrating a fairly easy swing, but that whipping action of the wrists produced swing speed along with an aggressive lower body rotation. I cant consciously think of moving lower body as he wants, it just messes up my timing, but if I don't think and just do, then it just naturally seems to occur.

[Schnee]

Monte's drill is supposed to be a drill to fix your swing after you mess it up with Paul Wilson's. That loose wrists whippy move is going to turn into a float load yank the handle move --> steep.

[WilCox]

OK, so I took this drill to the range today... wow. Like Monte says, it's counterintuitive, but it works. Thanks.

[TMBob]

Some positives today in the course....no chance to try before I played so I winged it. Really nipped a few wedges. Some shots seemed to have a higher spin rate on full swings then normal and my main miss with irons were right and sorta weak.....make sense for a first go round? Love just going at it from the top instead of hanging on. Makes sense for my swing

[Dinosaur]

I noticed something in the video of this drill. It appears that at the top right at transition, Monte bows the left wrist/cupping the right and shaft is layed over slightly which I assume will result in lower AoA. This may be something I should work on as I notice in many of my videos, the downswing plane, while not[b] [i]exactly [/i][/b]OTT is parallel to, yet forward of, the backswing plane, even on the good swings. I know I come in a little too steep, so I am thinking this may help me have a more consistent match of plane traces.

either that, or I am still lifting up during backswing.

[phillyspecial]

Monte, first off this drill is a life changer for the chronic arm run guy. I literally got near the point of tears recently because I could not control it on the course and I was completely frozen over the ball knowing my arms would go wild on me. This drill got me back on track and confident again. I had abandoned it some months ago in search of more hip turn, but I overdid that and got back into major arm overrun.

Question though - if my miss with this drill/thought is heel contact (feels ott related), what is that telling me? Starting from the top with arms and without enough hip turn to start the transition?

[ctmason_98]

I will echo the well-deserved commendations Monte is getting. The drill has worked really well for me. As a relative newbie this "feel" helped me stop thinking about swinging arms and even rotating shoulders and allowed me to nearly complete a backswing with connection from the first time I tried it. I still lose it and overrun the arms sometimes, but hey, it's good to have a drill to go back to.

What I found is that it allowed me to focus in on deepening the right hip in the backswing to "complete" the backswing rather than focusing on some position like many well-meaning teachers espouse like having your shoulders in a certain position at the top or your arms or what-have-you.

By trying to set the wrists and not turn, then cast through the ball with supple (love that word) wrists I actually generate much more swing speed.

[MonteScheinblum]

[quote name='cinderellaboy' timestamp='1405468810' post='9708277']
Monte, first off this drill is a life changer for the chronic arm run guy. I literally got near the point of tears recently because I could not control it on the course and I was completely frozen over the ball knowing my arms would go wild on me. This drill got me back on track and confident again. I had abandoned it some months ago in search of more hip turn, but I overdid that and got back into major arm overrun.

Question though - if my miss with this drill/thought is heel contact (feels ott related), what is that telling me? Starting from the top with arms and without enough hip turn to start the transition?
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Likely just a poor sequence and/or hip direction. I have another drill video coming that is a version of the two ball drill that is likely to help you. I'll post it here when it's edited.

[phillyspecial]

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1405471265' post='9708539']
[quote name='cinderellaboy' timestamp='1405468810' post='9708277']
Monte, first off this drill is a life changer for the chronic arm run guy. I literally got near the point of tears recently because I could not control it on the course and I was completely frozen over the ball knowing my arms would go wild on me. This drill got me back on track and confident again. I had abandoned it some months ago in search of more hip turn, but I overdid that and got back into major arm overrun.

Question though - if my miss with this drill/thought is heel contact (feels ott related), what is that telling me? Starting from the top with arms and without enough hip turn to start the transition?
[/quote]

Likely just a poor sequence and/or hip direction. I have another drill video coming that is a version of the two ball drill that is likely to help you. I'll post it here when it's edited.
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Thanks. Just hitting balls at home here I think I wasn't leading with right elbow enough, more butt of club and got steep. Anyway, this drill is a life changer, thank you.

[RecreationalHacker]

Excellent video and is so true. Thanks Monte. I learned last year during a video lesson that I tended to overturn on the back swing which caused swaying and an inability to keep my head at a consistent level which then caused fat and thin shots. I had to make several trips from the video booth to the tee box before I could connect a "feel" with a reasonable length back swing. At first I could not believe how different "feel" was from "reality." As Monte said, I felt like I wasn't even making a back swing when I finally got it right.

When my ball striking starts to get out of whack, it is almost always an issue of slowly reverting to my old back swing habits.

[welshorp]

Will the split grip do the same job monte? As it makes you push right hand through ball

[FredPo]

Sorry to bring up an old thread but couldn't find the answer when searching. My question is in regards to this no turn cast drill. It works well with iron shots. Can I have this same swing thought (no turn cast) off the tee with a driver or 3 wood?

[MonteScheinblum]

It doesn't work as well for most. Let the feel filter up.

[vernon]

This drill completely changed my game (for the better)!