Aaron Baddeley - New Grant Waite Swing

[PutterKilledTheDream]

Waite Mayo website was just shut down if that tells you anything...

[AndyC]

[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1403611988' post='9564887']
[quote name='AndyC' timestamp='1403567662' post='9561881']
Grant should have a vast amount of knowledge given that he bounced from instructor to instructor himself throughout his career. I am not sure what walking the walk means but Grant has been anything but a huge success on tour. He has one win and not many top tens in about 420 starts.
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LOL

Yeah, total hack...

Everybody here thinks they know more than the most respected players/teachers. It's why I stopped participating, and makes me wonder why I jumped in here. Too funny,
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Excuse me if I don't automatically put Waite into the category of "most respected players/teachers" simply because he played on tour. If you inferred that I think I know more than "the most respected players/teachers" by my post then I would say that you have a reading comprehension issue.

My issue is really not with Grant Waite. By what I have seen he appears to be a very likeable person who enjoys teaching golf. My issue is simply with your ridiculous statement regarding "walking the walk".

[Hstead]

Andy, so far the only person that seems to believe Grant has not "walked the walk" seems to be you. Everyone else seems to think your comment that his has not is the only comment that appears to be ridiculous. Everyone seems to be getting quite a laugh at you. Good work.

What year did you win the A flight at your club?

[hoganfan924]

Seems that just about anyone can buy a Trackman, take a few classes or attend a few seminars and hang a shingle claiming to be a guru swing instructor (and they have). How some of these clowns that can't break 80, have actually been able to bend the ear of PGA tour pros is beyond baffling. Doesn't mean that you've had to be on tour to be a great instructor, as some of the greatest coaches in sports history never made it to the big show or were very mediocre at that level, but experience playing at the highest level, and facing the pressures at that level certainly counts for something.

[ej002]

Andy - please name one tour instructor who has a better playing record than Grant. Just one name.

[eightiron]

[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1403626421' post='9566677']
Andy - please name one tour instructor who has a better playing record than Grant. Just one name.
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Brad Hughes. On the striking issue for Aaron , he had always hit it bad

[lv_2_hack]

[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1403624835' post='9566471']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1403611988' post='9564887']
[quote name='AndyC' timestamp='1403567662' post='9561881']
Grant should have a vast amount of knowledge given that he bounced from instructor to instructor himself throughout his career. I am not sure what walking the walk means but Grant has been anything but a huge success on tour. He has one win and not many top tens in about 420 starts.
[/quote]

LOL

Yeah, total hack...

Everybody here thinks they know more than the most respected players/teachers. It's why I stopped participating, and makes me wonder why I jumped in here. Too funny,
[/quote]

I know, right? The common criticism of the newer coaches that actually teach and don't just spout out BS and pray their player gets better, is that "well what are their playing achievements, they don't have any." 1) Not even necessary to be a good teacher in my mind ( Haney Leadbetter and Harmon have very little playing credentials, about 1/100th of Grant) and 2) When we finally get a dude that was a PGA tour player for a long time, can teach well and truly help people, they still complain. I'm not sure what the problem is. Are they not going to be happy until Tiger and Jack are teaching?
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While I agree with your premise I hate seeing Harmon grouped in with Haney and Lead. Butch atleast played on tour. What he's done with Rickie's swing is rather impressive.

[swats]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1403626705' post='9566715']
[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1403626421' post='9566677']
Andy - please name one tour instructor who has a better playing record than Grant. Just one name.
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Brad Hughes. On the striking issue for Aaron , he had always hit it bad
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Was going to say Dave Stockton, but I don't think he does full swing instruction, just putting??

[lv_2_hack]

[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1403626421' post='9566677']
Andy - please name one tour instructor who has a better playing record than Grant. Just one name.
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Just because I like to argue... Dave Stockton?

Yes I know he doesn't count bc he's a short game guy, but he is a 'tour instructor.'

[AndyC]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1403625773' post='9566605']
Andy, so far the only person that seems to believe Grant has not "walked the walk" seems to be you. Everyone else seems to think your comment that his has not is the only comment that appears to be ridiculous. Everyone seems to be getting quite a laugh at you. Good work.

[/quote]

So by extrapolation, any journeyman player is hereby deemed a "most respected teacher".

[eightiron]

[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1403624951' post='9566491']
Waite Mayo website was just shut down if that tells you anything...
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Twitter gone rogue as well . I didn't know Mayo was a golf instructor , is he a pga member or qualified for any tour ?

[lv_2_hack]

Serious question.

Was Grant known as a great ball striker on tour?

Always liked his swing, just curious if anyone here has first hand knowledge.

[dodger]

Butch Harmon also won an event on tour. But, what matters is how they teach, not how they play. By every testament I have seen, Grant Waite does a great job, as does Joe Mayo. Why not rely on the word of people who have taken lessons from these teachers? If you have not taken a lesson from David Leadbetter, how can you criticize them? It is really hard to win on tour. If Aaron Baddelly does not win or play better, he has a lousy teacher. what if he just is a lousy student?

[swanry30]

i would think here in time the driving accuracy and greens hit number goes up significantly. get this guy on the green and its lights out...

[AndyC]

[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1403626421' post='9566677']
Andy - please name one tour instructor who has a better playing record than Grant. Just one name.
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Mac O'Grady. 2 wins 1 second 5 thirds in 239 career starts

[MK7Golf21]

[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403618931' post='9565653']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403617377' post='9565501']
doesnt Grant work with that Mayo guy, I saw an article by joe Mayo a few months back where he was telling amateurs to hit up on the ball with irons, his trackman said it would go farther. Title of the article was hit up on your irons, lol, good luck with that. He is approaching it from too much of a scientific standpoint. Most am's already hit up on their irons and top them
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I've never heard Joe Mayo say that you should hit up with your irons. I have heard him say hit up with your driver.





RH
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was in golf magazine or something

[AndyC]

[quote name='hoganfan924' timestamp='1403626362' post='9566667']
Seems that just about anyone can buy a Trackman, take a few classes or attend a few seminars and hang a shingle claiming to be a guru swing instructor (and they have). How some of these clowns that can't break 80, have actually been able to bend the ear of PGA tour pros is beyond baffling. Doesn't mean that you've had to be on tour to be a great instructor, as some of the greatest coaches in sports history never made it to the big show or were very mediocre at that level, but experience playing at the highest level, and facing the pressures at that level certainly counts for something.
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What you state about tour experience certainly makes sense. Why would top tour players opt to use Foley, Haney, Harmon, Cook, etc. if "walking the walk" was the make or break benchmark for being a great instructor?

[MK7Golf21]

[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403627799' post='9566879']
[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403618931' post='9565653']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403617377' post='9565501']
doesnt Grant work with that Mayo guy, I saw an article by joe Mayo a few months back where he was telling amateurs to hit up on the ball with irons, his trackman said it would go farther. Title of the article was hit up on your irons, lol, good luck with that. He is approaching it from too much of a scientific standpoint. Most am's already hit up on their irons and top them
[/quote]

I've never heard Joe Mayo say that you should hit up with your irons. I have heard him say hit up with your driver.





RH
[/quote]

was in golf magazine or something
[/quote]here is a quote from article,"Instead, think of sweeping your iron shots and playing the ball at the low point of your swing arc. Once you let go of the fixation to hit down on the ball, you soon may find it a lot easier to hit solid iron shots. If you've been told hitting down on the ball steeply makes it go up, well, that's not true, either!

[ej002]

[quote name='AndyC' timestamp='1403627667' post='9566853']
[quote name='ej002' timestamp='1403626421' post='9566677']
Andy - please name one tour instructor who has a better playing record than Grant. Just one name.
[/quote]

Mac O'Grady. 2 wins 1 second 5 thirds in 239 career starts
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^^ That was the answer to my loaded question.

Eight - are you farking with me? LOL

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1403539992' post='9558189']
Anyone else really liking Badds' new swing? I am not sure how long he has been working with Grant but man does his motion look simple. I really liked it. It appears he is going to start playing very well. He is one of if not the best putter on Tour so if he gets his long game in order look out. Maybe a major in his future?

This swing is from the 2014 Northern Trust Open a few months ago. Like I said, not sure when Grant started making changes but it looked really good yesterday I thought.

[media=]http://youtu.be/LX0Ypc58GEA[/media]
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Wow thats a clean action.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1403627154' post='9566781']
[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1403624951' post='9566491']
Waite Mayo website was just shut down if that tells you anything...
[/quote]

Twitter gone rogue as well . I didn't know Mayo was a golf instructor , is he a pga member or qualified for any tour ?
[/quote]
Not sure he even plays golf?

[chrisgilly09]

[quote name='eightiron' timestamp='1403627154' post='9566781']
[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1403624951' post='9566491']
Waite Mayo website was just shut down if that tells you anything...
[/quote]

Twitter gone rogue as well . I didn't know Mayo was a golf instructor , is he a pga member or qualified for any tour ?
[/quote]

Wow some funny stuff here, Joe and Grant have been working separately for months now, and part of the reason eight is that Joe 'teaches' now. Learned it all from Grant, then got greedy, he screwed up a great thing for himself

[RichieHunt]

[quote name='lv_2_hack' timestamp='1403627204' post='9566789']
Serious question.

Was Grant known as a great ball striker on tour?

Always liked his swing, just curious if anyone here has first hand knowledge.
[/quote]

Yes, he was.

I played in a local US Open qualifier at Timacuan and Grant was medalist with a 66 on greens that were in such horrendous condition that the Golf Channel went there to show how bad the greens were. After I finished my round early in the morning, me and a friend went to watch Grant play because I had heard about how great of a golfer he was and I don't recall him not flushing a shot.

Put it this way, there's a reason why he has a following of Tour players and it's not for putting.






RH

[lv_2_hack]

[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403631845' post='9567359']
[quote name='lv_2_hack' timestamp='1403627204' post='9566789']
Serious question.

Was Grant known as a great ball striker on tour?

Always liked his swing, just curious if anyone here has first hand knowledge.
[/quote]

Yes, he was.

I played in a local US Open qualifier at Timacuan and Grant was medalist with a 66 on greens that were in such horrendous condition that the Golf Channel went there to show how bad the greens were. After I finished my round early in the morning, me and a friend went to watch Grant play because I had heard about how great of a golfer he was and I don't recall him not flushing a shot.

Put it this way, there's a reason why he has a following of Tour players and it's not for putting.






RH
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Very interesting Richie. Thanks.

I wonder who all he worked with before making the S&T leap.

[RichieHunt]

[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403628364' post='9566931']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403627799' post='9566879']
[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403618931' post='9565653']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403617377' post='9565501']
doesnt Grant work with that Mayo guy, I saw an article by joe Mayo a few months back where he was telling amateurs to hit up on the ball with irons, his trackman said it would go farther. Title of the article was hit up on your irons, lol, good luck with that. He is approaching it from too much of a scientific standpoint. Most am's already hit up on their irons and top them
[/quote]

I've never heard Joe Mayo say that you should hit up with your irons. I have heard him say hit up with your driver.





RH
[/quote]

was in golf magazine or something
[/quote]here is a quote from article,"Instead, think of sweeping your iron shots and playing the ball at the low point of your swing arc. Once you let go of the fixation to hit down on the ball, you soon may find it a lot easier to hit solid iron shots. If you've been told hitting down on the ball steeply makes it go up, well, that's not true, either!
[/quote]

1. That's not telling a person to hit up with their irons.

2. He's absolutely correct...the idea that you have to hit down on the ball to hit it up is untrue.







RH

[verderraul]

[quote name='lv_2_hack' timestamp='1403626864' post='9566745']
[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1403624835' post='9566471']
[quote name='kevcarter' timestamp='1403611988' post='9564887']
[quote name='AndyC' timestamp='1403567662' post='9561881']
Grant should have a vast amount of knowledge given that he bounced from instructor to instructor himself throughout his career. I am not sure what walking the walk means but Grant has been anything but a huge success on tour. He has one win and not many top tens in about 420 starts.
[/quote]

LOL

Yeah, total hack...

Everybody here thinks they know more than the most respected players/teachers. It's why I stopped participating, and makes me wonder why I jumped in here. Too funny,
[/quote]

I know, right? The common criticism of the newer coaches that actually teach and don't just spout out BS and pray their player gets better, is that "well what are their playing achievements, they don't have any." 1) Not even necessary to be a good teacher in my mind ( Haney Leadbetter and Harmon have very little playing credentials, about 1/100th of Grant) and 2) When we finally get a dude that was a PGA tour player for a long time, can teach well and truly help people, they still complain. I'm not sure what the problem is. Are they not going to be happy until Tiger and Jack are teaching?
[/quote]

While I agree with your premise I hate seeing Harmon grouped in with Haney and Lead. Butch atleast played on tour. What he's done with Rickie's swing is rather impressive.
[/quote]

Why is leadbetter considered a bad instructor ? He did great work with Faldo. Wish he had a stylist though.

[RichieHunt]

[quote name='lv_2_hack' timestamp='1403631984' post='9567383']
Very interesting Richie. Thanks.

I wonder who all he worked with before making the S&T leap.
[/quote]

Grant worked with Mac O'Grady.

When I was a junior golfer, I didn't know jack squat about the golf swing. To the point where I actually thought the divot went underneath where the ball was.

By the end of my freshman season at college, I started struggling badly with my golf swing. That summer I started to actually work on learning as much as I could (I swore I read almost every single book possible. I also used to watch a Rick Smith show on ESPN religiously).

Anyway, the following winter I had a friend of mine that played Florida mini-tours. He came back raving about Mac O'Grady and M.O.R.A.D. I didn't know what to make of it. The only thing I had ever heard about Mac was that he swung righty and putted lefty. Then I saw Mac in action and was floored by how well he struck it and how good his swing was.

So I became fascinated by Mac even though I didn't know anything about M.O.R.A.D. I knew Elk worked with Mac when Elk won the PGA, but Elk changed instructors a lot. All of my college teammates thought I was nuts as I used to be fascinated by other Mac guys like Jodie Mudd and Phil Tataurangi.

And I would get the usual 'well, if they strike it so well, why don't they win on Tour?'

Eventually that all changed when Grant finished 2nd at the Kemper Open in '96. One of my teammates was from Baltimore and used to go to the Kemper Open each year as his dad I think used to do some sponsorship stuff there. Anyway, my teammate came back after Grant won and raved about how well Grant struck the ball and it convinced him and others that my fascination wasn't that nutty after all.






RH

[RichieHunt]

[quote name='dodger' timestamp='1403627246' post='9566797']
Butch Harmon also won an event on tour. But, what matters is how they teach, not how they play. By every testament I have seen, Grant Waite does a great job, as does Joe Mayo. Why not rely on the word of people who have taken lessons from these teachers? If you have not taken a lesson from David Leadbetter, how can you criticize them? It is really hard to win on tour. If Aaron Baddelly does not win or play better, he has a lousy teacher. what if he just is a lousy student?
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Aaron has a long ways to go with his ballstriking. He's been a lousy ballstriker for his career. So trying to make him into a good ballstriker by Tour standards is likely to take a long time, a few years in the making.

I would think that essentially Aaron would want to see progress in his ballstriking each year. I'm sure there will be periods where the progress will stagnate a bit and he works to figure things out.

From the metrics I use, his ballstriking has progressed since working with Grant and Chris. But, it has a ways to go because when they got him his ballstriking was very poor by Tour standards.

Also, Grant is NOT stack and tilt.

He did work with some of the S&T guys to understand what they were about and having worked with them in the past when Plummer and Bennett were with M.O.R.A.D.

I would imagine he was hoping to learn some things and glean information off them, but his swing philosophies are not pure S&T. I would assume that he teaches a variety of things from various people he has learned from, like Chris Como.





RH

[MK7Golf21]

[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403632009' post='9567389']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403628364' post='9566931']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403627799' post='9566879']
[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403618931' post='9565653']
[quote name='Redjeep83' timestamp='1403617377' post='9565501']
doesnt Grant work with that Mayo guy, I saw an article by joe Mayo a few months back where he was telling amateurs to hit up on the ball with irons, his trackman said it would go farther. Title of the article was hit up on your irons, lol, good luck with that. He is approaching it from too much of a scientific standpoint. Most am's already hit up on their irons and top them
[/quote]

I've never heard Joe Mayo say that you should hit up with your irons. I have heard him say hit up with your driver.





RH
[/quote]

was in golf magazine or something
[/quote]here is a quote from article,"Instead, think of sweeping your iron shots and playing the ball at the low point of your swing arc. Once you let go of the fixation to hit down on the ball, you soon may find it a lot easier to hit solid iron shots. If you've been told hitting down on the ball steeply makes it go up, well, that's not true, either!
[/quote]

1. That's not telling a person to hit up with their irons.

2. He's absolutely correct...the idea that you have to hit down on the ball to hit it up is untrue.

RH
[/quote]

yea because most am's are hitting down too much with their irons, right??

From the Am golfers Ive seen, 99.5% of them dont take a proper divot with irons. From the really good players, atleast 75-80% of the golfers Ive seen compress the h*ll out of it with proper divots.

[scopek]

[quote name='RichieHunt' timestamp='1403633033' post='9567547']

[b]Also, Grant is NOT stack and tilt.[/b]

He did work with some of the S&T guys to understand what they were about and having worked with them in the past when Plummer and Bennett were with M.O.R.A.D.

I would imagine he was hoping to learn some things and glean information off them, but his swing philosophies are not pure S&T. I would assume that he teaches a variety of things from various people he has learned from, like Chris Como.

[/quote]

It's interesting that the latest S&T instructional DVD has Grant as their model swing.