Fixing the Ryder Cup is easy

[jons1]

[quote name='gvogel' timestamp='1411955121' post='10202891']
I think that Europe should play The Rest of the World next year. They earned it.

The US can play The Rest of the World in 2017.
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Winner of the Ryder Cup takes on the rest of the world (aka presidents cup).... THIS IS BRILLIANT!

just have to rename the presidents cup

[ScratchNot]

I think one solution may be that the winner of the Ryder cup plays the presidents cup against the Rest of the World.

[MitchCumstein]

Imagine you're a top class player, you've just finished a grueling season and can't wait to finally spend some time off the road with your family. BUT WAIT!! You have to pack your bags yet again and fly to South Africa or somewhere and try to perform in yet another team usa competition complete with ping ping table and bs pep talks from endless parades of jackasses meant to hype you up.

You guys are all living in fantasy land if you don't think this is taxing. The euros play the Seve cup on off years which truly is a yuck fest no where near as hyped as the presidents cup. Most top euros don't even show up anymore probably for the reason I started this thread!! Wake up people.

[Jamboy72]

[quote name='MitchCumstein' timestamp='1411956707' post='10203087']
Imagine you're a top class player, you've just finished a grueling season and can't wait to finally spend some time off the road with your family. BUT WAIT!! You have to pack your bags yet again and fly to South Africa or somewhere and try to perform in yet another team usa competition complete with ping ping table and bs pep talks from endless parades of jackasses meant to hype you up.

You guys are all living in fantasy land if you don't think this is taxing. The euros play the Seve cup on off years which truly is a yuck fest no where near as hyped as the presidents cup. Most top euros don't even show up anymore probably for the reason I started this thread!! Wake up people.
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You make it sound like they have no idea ahead of time what the schedule for the year is going to be. That simply isn't the case - And if you really want to start pointing fingers at events, you might want to look at the Fed Ex Cup if you're actually looking to make an argument around fatigue...

[mgholda]

The President's Cup in off years is taxing, and the lack of pay is unmotivating. Add the Olympics in 2016 and you have a toxic mix for Team USA.

$10,000 birdie
$25,000 eagle
A reward scale for each point earned based on the rank of the player(s) defeated. Example:
$1,000,000 for beating McIlroy
$750,000 for beating #2
and so forth...

I think you would have guys lining up to play the top Europeans. No pod system needed.

[jons1]

[quote name='MitchCumstein' timestamp='1411956707' post='10203087']
Imagine you're a top class player, you've just finished a grueling season and can't wait to finally spend some time off the road with your family. BUT WAIT!! You have to pack your bags yet again and fly to South Africa or somewhere and try to perform in yet another team usa competition complete with ping ping table and bs pep talks from endless parades of jackasses meant to hype you up.

You guys are all living in fantasy land if you don't think this is taxing. The euros play the Seve cup on off years which truly is a yuck fest no where near as hyped as the presidents cup. Most top euros don't even show up anymore probably for the reason I started this thread!! Wake up people.
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http://youtu.be/pgH9BxnfhMw

[MitchCumstein]

That just it!! They know it's coming but what are they going to do, scratch an event off their calendar that may be either highly prestigious or highly lucrative?

Say what you want about the fedex cup but nobody with a chance to win $10 million is going to back down on those. It's overkill but it's also highly lucrative.

The presidents cup is just overkill and costs those guys money to play in most likely. I could be wrong but whose picking up all their caddy, food, travel expenses etc?

[MtlJeff]

i'd love to see a format similar to the interclub matches that basically every private club does. Have 3-4 teams duking it out every 2 years. I'm Canadian and i hate the presidents cup, i don't care who wins. If a Canadian is in it, like Graham Dalaet i want him to win his matches, but i couldn't care less about the team event. There's just no sense of team or unity, which is why the internationals are like the Washington Generals of golf

I'd love to see North America, Asia (including Australia), Europe and then either South America or Africa play a 4-way match ....

Canadians have more in common with the US then with Fiji or Australia. Eventually Asia should field a pretty nice team...etc

[jons1]

No More Fedex Cup. Winning it only matters because of the money, and it's way more of a grind then a few days of golf once a year.

[jons1]

depending on who you ask, some people might think it's just fine

 

 

[billyhandsomeface]

Make it the north American continent vs. Europe. Then we could have DeLeat.

[dbleag]

[quote name='topr' timestamp='1411954282' post='10202783']
[quote name='MitchCumstein' timestamp='1411951234' post='10202369']
I don't know why nobody raises this point but if you want the USA to win more Ryder cups the solution is easy.

[s]GET RID OF THE PRESIDENTS CUP!!!!![/s] FED EX CUP PLAYOFFS

European players play the Ryder Cup every two years. The US players will now have to lumber through another meaningless [s]Presidents Cup [/s]Fe Ex Cup playoff with the same amount of media hype and bs scrutiny as the Ryder Cup.

End the [s]Presidents[/s] Fed Ex Cup and you will see a whole new passion from US team because they won't be as burned out from endless team competitions.

Simple as that but it won't be done because the PGA makes too much money from the presidents cup and oh by the way gives none of it to the players.
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Fixed it for ya
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How about if ....

Guys who do well in the FedEx Cup finals get to play in the Ryder Cup? I'm sure Billy Horshel, Chris Kirk and Ryan Palmer, who were all on their "A" games, could have helped our team.

As far as The President's Cup, any "team" match play experience will certainly help the Ryder Cup team. Our guys don't practice enough four ball and foursome matches as it is.

[MitchCumstein]

I don't think more practice in the format is helping.

They should burn the stupid ping ping table and force them to hit balls and practice more as well.

Joking on last part...

[SFFP(2)]

I don't really understand why the FedEx cup would influence the Ryder Cup?
OK, not all 12 players on the European team played in it.
But McIlroy, Rose, Garcia and Kaymer did play in The Tour championship.
Stenson and McDowell played in the BMW.
All of these guys were part of the same playoff tournaments and most of the guys play more or less the same tour schedule in the US.
And nearly all of them gained good points for the team.

I don't really think i saw any kind of fatigue with them.

And it certainly doesn't have anything to do with the Presidents Cup.
These guys play week after week under huge pressure and media spotlights.
That one extra week a year won't do any damage.

[avrag]

[quote name='bullie76' timestamp='1411951870' post='10202465']
Don't they play the Seve Cup?
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Yes, but this is a competition between the potential members of the next Ryder Cup team, so it is a perfect preparation and a chance for the players to bond even more.

[beluga99]

I know how to fix the Ryder Cup. The US team plays better. I am sick of this BS that it doesn't mean as much to the US. How sick and tired are the US of getting a regular beat down every two years? I doubt money would fix it. How about personal pride in representing your country and not losing. As one poster mentioned, they're all playing the same schedules. Phil and his best bud Keegan took a couple of weeks off if I remember correctly to "rest and prepare".

Is it true that 11 US players traveled together but one made his own way to the Ryder Cup? Wonder who that was? Ooh let's have 'pods' and lets be mentored by former players. As Watson said, there were 12 players that didn't win enough points.

Ryder Cup is a fantastic event. Please don't change it Donald Trump.

[moose557]

While I dont think the Presidents cup has anything to do with the ryder cup performances, I would be totally fine if it went away, but its all about the bucks so they will never get rid of it.

Again not that it should, but Im surprised that with the amount of money this event brings in that they dont give anything to the winning team. So, the two tours keep the entire purse?

[moose557]

[quote name='2bGood' timestamp='1411953847' post='10202711']
I don't agree with the OP but.... soon we will also have the olympics in the mix. This will be one more event that is played for pride rather the $$$.

What's wrong with the Ryder Cup? nothing.

end thread/
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2016 is going to be interesting when you throw in the Olympics. Thats a lot of big events bunched together. The 4 majors with the PGA in August. The Olympics in August, The 4 fed ex cup events then the Ryder cup. I should know, but isnt there a WGC event in August too? Going to be interesting to see how the players manage that August and September. The Olympics is stretched out over weeks. Will they be there to walk out with their countries during the opening and closing ceramony? I would think they want too.

[marlowe70]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1411957626' post='10203155']
i'd love to see a format similar to the interclub matches that basically every private club does. Have 3-4 teams duking it out every 2 years. I'm Canadian and i hate the presidents cup, i don't care who wins. If a Canadian is in it, like Graham Dalaet i want him to win his matches, but i couldn't care less about the team event. There's just no sense of team or unity, which is why the internationals are like the Washington Generals of golf

I'd love to see North America, Asia (including Australia), Europe and then either South America or Africa play a 4-way match ....

Canadians have more in common with the US then with Fiji or Australia. Eventually Asia should field a pretty nice team...etc
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No one jumping on this? I think that`s a pretty good idea.
4 Teams (The Americas, Europe, AustralAsia, Africa) and a 4 day event, Teams of 10, every 2 years.

Day 1: Semi-finals, Fourball and Foursomes
Day 2: Semi-finals, Singles

Day 3: Finals, Fourball and Foursomes
Day 4: Finals, Singles

No match for third place, just don`t.

[TheInfidel]

I think looking at the schedule is a moot point.

USA Team - play for themselves and for their country. (Phil & Tiger are great examples look at those records in the RC along with Furyk - pathetic)

European Team - Play for each other.


When the Ryder Cup goes to Hazeltine in 2016 the US team will have won it [b]twice [/b]in the last two decades

[wdm50]

[quote name='Jamboy72' timestamp='1411957230' post='10203117']
[quote name='MitchCumstein' timestamp='1411956707' post='10203087']
Imagine you're a top class player, you've just finished a grueling season and can't wait to finally spend some time off the road with your family. BUT WAIT!! You have to pack your bags yet again and fly to South Africa or somewhere and try to perform in yet another team usa competition complete with ping ping table and bs pep talks from endless parades of jackasses meant to hype you up.

You guys are all living in fantasy land if you don't think this is taxing. The euros play the Seve cup on off years which truly is a yuck fest no where near as hyped as the presidents cup. Most top euros don't even show up anymore probably for the reason I started this thread!! Wake up people.
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You make it sound like they have no idea ahead of time what the schedule for the year is going to be. That simply isn't the case - And if you really want to start pointing fingers at events, you might want to look at the Fed Ex Cup if you're actually looking to make an argument around fatigue...
[/quote]Good post, some people are starting to really think about this whole Ryder Cup debate, as I said there are all kinds of weird stuff, as you say why so close to the FED EX cup, also money, the Ryder Cup is run by the PGA of America , The Presidents Cup is run by the PGA tour. The European Team is run by a organization who actually runs their tour, it get's very complicated, look at some of the courses we play in the US, always very odd to me. We spanked them until 1983. Our system has broken down, from what , everyone has their opinion, I think the almighty dollar has effected us to some degree. I have done some research on the PGA Of America, if you put it together something is a little stinky. We have become such a individualized country and this is the price we pay. It could be fixed and repaired although I think the PGA TOUR has got to get involved, will Ted Bishop let that happen, time will tell. How about Patrick Reid it is a bit more personnel to him than others, I would rather have him on my team than some of the other 11 teammates. Reid acts like a European , ready to through the first punch. I hate to say it but we are act like a bunch of sissy's , Case closed. P.S. This is my view only.

[nichho]

Surely any player who wants to can opt out of any event they want to. Don't want two play RC, don't. Don't want to play PC, don't. There is no money involved and nobody is contracted.
Fatigued? No problem, just say no and have a couple of weeks off.
Strange how they all appear to try their hardest to get onto a team someone on here thinks they are not interested in.

[Ca77away]

The pga tour is just to comfortable and a lot of players have lost the will to win. It's just too easy to pick up big pay cheques for finishing way down the list. Most Europeans, Australians and South Africans travel to pick up cheques so hunger to win is greater at start. All members on pga tour are entitled to play in european flagship event at wentworth in May. Yet non bother to travel and try and win, they would sooner play in greater nowhere open and finish way down list and pick up cheque. You need to start bumping players off of tour and back to web. Com tour if they haven't won for five years. This will increase hunger and desire to win. Like when McCord told Hogan he hadn't won in 16 years "what the hell are you doing on tour"
This won't happen because pga tour is run by players for the players. But something drastic needs to be done otherwise the Ryder cup will slowly decline to a non event
The only other alternative is to make it Europe v ROW and get rid of presidents cup but again this won't happen as it's by the pga tour

[moose557]

To the above post- The PGA tour had american players this year who opted out of the Open Championship. Couldn't be bothered and just stayed home. I can't imagine a European tour player just deciding to skip the US Open.

[imakaveli]

Nobody would care about other team events outside of the Ryder Cup

[golfortennis]

[quote name='golfpros1' timestamp='1411954463' post='10202811']
The whole idea of the presidents cup was to let the [s]rest of the wold experience[/s] PGA Tour cash in on a team golf event... blame Norman on pushing this thing on everyone. Honestly, I don't think anyone playing in the president cup cares...
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FTFY.

It is taxing. Every year US players are "expected" to play in these, because of the whole "play for your country" crap. The makeup of the teams is arbitrary. If the PGA tour thought lefties vs righties would bring in more money, the Presidents Cup would have different teams in a heartbeat. This isn't about giving others a chance, it isn't about anything other than making money for the PGA Tour. It should be obvious enough with the silly "everyone plays all matches" crap, but then there is also the "match ups" pairing announcements. C'mon, if that isn't about TV ratings, I don't know what is.

But the biggest thing that will bring in the cash is to call it "This country vs.... " . because then you get the sheep to drop all the cash, and you aso get to pressure the players into playing the event for free, because too many myopic individuals will see it as dishonoring the country, when in fact, the nationality wouldn't matter if a greater money source were available.

The president's cup should go away. But there are too many $500,000 a year salaries at the headquarters of the "non-profit PGA Tour" that need to be paid to give it up.

[cardoustie]

[quote name='billyhandsomeface' timestamp='1411957882' post='10203185']
Make it the north American continent vs. Europe. Then we could have DeLeat.
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Crikey, I said the same thing in another thread

[joey2aces]

penalties would be good too.... like a $500,000 penalty for hit a 60* "hard flop shot" 20 yards over the green while the Euros stuck theirs within tap in distance.

[cardoustie]

MTLJEFF has a brilliant idea

4 teams at the Ryder Cup. Europe, North America (USA and Canada), Asia, and the Southern Continents .... Australia, New Zealand and Africa

Round Robin to play in finals. That would be very compelling

The Ryder Cup was invented when all the great players were from the UK and USA. Time to bring it up to date as golf is WORLDWIDE

[moose557]

[quote name='Bluefan75' timestamp='1412002805' post='10205355']
[quote name='golfpros1' timestamp='1411954463' post='10202811']
The whole idea of the presidents cup was to let the [s]rest of the wold experience[/s] PGA Tour cash in on a team golf event... blame Norman on pushing this thing on everyone. Honestly, I don't think anyone playing in the president cup cares...
[/quote]

FTFY.

It is taxing. Every year US players are "expected" to play in these, because of the whole "play for your country" crap. The makeup of the teams is arbitrary. If the PGA tour thought lefties vs righties would bring in more money, the Presidents Cup would have different teams in a heartbeat. This isn't about giving others a chance, it isn't about anything other than making money for the PGA Tour. It should be obvious enough with the silly "everyone plays all matches" crap, but then there is also the "match ups" pairing announcements. C'mon, if that isn't about TV ratings, I don't know what is.

But the biggest thing that will bring in the cash is to call it "This country vs.... " . because then you get the sheep to drop all the cash, and you aso get to pressure the players into playing the event for free, because too many myopic individuals will see it as dishonoring the country, when in fact, the nationality wouldn't matter if a greater money source were available.

The president's cup should go away. But there are too many $500,000 a year salaries at the headquarters of the "non-profit PGA Tour" that need to be paid to give it up.
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The presidents cup is a pure money grab by the PGA tour. At least the Ryder cup has some history to it. These guys make a ton of money but I cant believe their is no winners purse for these events. Its you gotta come out and represent your country while we make a ton of money off it. Purses for the Majors are around 9 million. They could have a winners prize. I wonder what would happen if a player ever opted out of one of these events. They would get crushed for not wanting to represent their country, but I wouldnt blame them.