Interesting Drill

[MonteScheinblum]

[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415661592' post='10426099']
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPACLvt3fk

I can't recall how to embed the Youtube. This may have been Dana Dalquists account. It's all fuzzy in my old age now
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That is a completely different drill. That is a drill for those who fire their hips early.

[JPGolf FL]

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1415662207' post='10426183']
[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415661592' post='10426099']
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPACLvt3fk

I can't recall how to embed the Youtube. This may have been Dana Dalquists account. It's all fuzzy in my old age now
[/quote]

That is a completely different drill. That is a drill for those who fire their hips early.
[/quote]
Right.

[Tanner25]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1415654715' post='10425463']
You guys are scaring me, I haven't tried this drill and I guess I am not going to now. Thanks
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This would definitely hurt. I think people should think twice about handing out these helpful tips. Sevams screwgee and recently keeping the weight on the inside of my left foot on the down swing caused more pain that it is worth.

[spider]

[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1415662207' post='10426183']
[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415661592' post='10426099']
[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPACLvt3fk[/media]

I can't recall how to embed the Youtube. This may have been Dana Dalquists account. It's all fuzzy in my old age now
[/quote]

That is a completely different drill. That is a drill for those who fire their hips early.
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I agree but looked somewhat similar. I sorta fast forwarded that youtube Hstead posted. Too long. Perhaps this drill is a little better. I'll leave that up to da pros!

[northgolf]

[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415664770' post='10426395']
[quote name='MonteScheinblum' timestamp='1415662207' post='10426183']
[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415661592' post='10426099']
[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPACLvt3fk[/media]

I can't recall how to embed the Youtube. This may have been Dana Dalquists account. It's all fuzzy in my old age now
[/quote]

That is a completely different drill. That is a drill for those who fire their hips early.
[/quote]

I agree but looked somewhat similar. I sorta fast forwarded that youtube Hstead posted. Too long. Perhaps this drill is a little better. I'll leave that up to da pros!
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Take a little of some things and they are a medicine for what ails you, take more and they are a poison that kills you. More is not always better, and the topic drill fits the second case of the previous sentence.

[Hstead]

So the consensus from some of the smartest guys I trust on here so far is to stay away unless I want to use a cane or a walker? Got it. Done with this one. Thanks

[bph7]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1415671992' post='10427097']
So the consensus from some of the smartest guys I trust on here so far is to stay away unless I want to use a cane or a walker? Got it. Done with this one. Thanks
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Yeh, I've never heard of that pro before, he's prolly just another one of these Internet instructor types obsessed with trackman who thinks he is all about the pursuit of "truth" lol. I have no idea why he would propose a drill that he admits would steepen AOA when like 95% of guys are too steep. Who knows...

[Hstead]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1415672427' post='10427143']
[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1415671992' post='10427097']
So the consensus from some of the smartest guys I trust on here so far is to stay away unless I want to use a cane or a walker? Got it. Done with this one. Thanks
[/quote]

Yeh, I've never heard of that pro before, he's prolly just another one of these Internet instructor types obsessed with trackman who thinks he is all about the pursuit of "truth" lol. I have no idea why he would propose a drill that he admits would steepen AOA when like 95% of guys are too steep. Who knows...
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Yeah I don't want to get steeper. I did notice most of the videos from this guy were only 4 months old. Seems like everyone is trying to make youtube videos now but you really don't know if they have a clue or not. Evidently this guy is in the Not category. Glad I posted it here first.

[crapula]

The problem with a lot of drills is our tendency to attempt it at 100%. If you can attempt the drill within your limitations- skill, flexibility- then try it, if it's something that you need to work on.

I see no issue with the drill, only the way people would attempt it, as in, over attempt.

I do something similar where I address with right leg behind left leg, feet on opposite sides and take swings without a ball. Very slow swings because I am practicing it within myself.

Way too much hate on this forum these days, it's getting boring.

[TB07]

I like the drill OP.

[oraclerio]

Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!

[PutterKilledTheDream]

I heard there's a lot of money in consignment?

BUT...the real money is in hot dog stands. I moved away from retail into slanging franks to drunken sailors in Tijuana. Came up with enough coin to bag a Tman.

[Hstead]

[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
[/quote]

Wow, this is an awkward first post Ryan, didn't mean for you to get tore up.

Can you explain more maybe about who this would be for and how to do it without injury? I was looking for a drill to keep my lower body centered. I had no idea you joined a few days ago. I do not want this to look like I am posting videos for you or promoting you since this is your first post after joining on the 8th, been there and done that.

[silliwilli]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1415659534' post='10425887']
I would be really interested in whether Rose was doing this and if Grant also uses this drill? I hadn't planned on leaving Dan for sure I was just looking for some drills because some times I feel like I get my lower body moving the wrong way. I have had some stiff back issues at times this season so I can't afford to risk messing my back up for sure.

I am going to send iteach the video and see what he thinks.
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Sorry for the confusion. Rose does the standard version of the step through drill, not this "drunken" version.

[silliwilli]

Another version...

http://blog.trackmangolf.com/julieta-granada-showing-step-drill-golf-channel/

[bph7]

[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
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Well this is getting to be par for the course: new "instructor" joins wrx, makes some sarcastic comments, and doesn't really try to explain anything or help anyone.

[Hstead]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1415713358' post='10428717']
[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
[/quote]

Well this is getting to be par for the course: new "instructor" joins wrx, makes some sarcastic comments, and doesn't really try to explain anything or help anyone.
[/quote]

That is where I wanted it to be clear bph, just because he joined a few days ago and never posted until this thread I didn't want to look like the shill for him like Cary had the guy post his videos and then Cary came on etc and we all know the rest of the story. I by no means know Ryan or have worked with Ryan in any way shape or form. I am not sure why he joined and didn't post until now.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
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You know, I think you guys are being rude to this gentleman. By all accounts he seems to be a real stand-up guy.

[KMeloney]

Can't say much about this drill except that it's not entirely unlike the motion in a slap shot in hockey. Trail leg goes behind, and maybe in a more violent way. Sure, this drill [i]could[/i] be awful for your body, but the action looks so similar to the slap shot that maybe it's not.

[lv_2_hack]

[quote name='KMeloney' timestamp='1415720978' post='10429225']
Can't say much about this drill except that it's not entirely unlike the motion in a slap shot in hockey. Trail leg goes behind, and maybe in a more violent way. Sure, this drill [i]could[/i] be awful for your body, but the action looks so similar to the slap shot that maybe it's not.
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Rear leg in hockey doesn't go toward the target. It goes behind body, more perpendicular to target. Also in hockey slapshot, upper body is way ahead of lower.

My issue with the drill has to do with trying to force the rear leg to go behind body AND toward the target. Difficult and unnecessary IMO.

[glk]

I just tried this drill. Found it difficult to get over to my left side. I did the drill about 50% speed without a club (did the regular walk thru drill too). To me if someone is leading with the chest (or OTT) in the walk thru drill then they are probably doing it as part of their motion - cure it with something else since I don't find this drill to be an effective cure for staying back on the right side or for leading with the chest - get them to do some right foot back drill first and then alternate with the walk thru drill.

But he mentions that the problem with the walk thru is with students that have issues with upper/lower body separation of movements - I'd get some drills/exercises to fix this issue since it certainly is critical to developing a good swing. Then this hybrid drill is unnecessary. Just a hack's input.

[TB07]

It's just a way to get a golfer moving linear. He is correct that the step forward drill can still allow the golfer to still be spinny. Wether the drill is difficult is another issue and wether it will cause other issues is also another issue.

[spider]

wow so I went on Oracle's twitter after checking out his youtube page. PKTD is all over his feed in a feud. I'm so confused.

[ChipDriver]

If this is the same guy I know from 15 years ago - I'm glad to see he's still around.

FWIW - I met him a long time ago at one of the most successful public ranges in the area. It sold out to a REIT and I thought he went with the owners to open additional facilities. For what it's worth he says he's working now (per the video) at a facility in Maryland that was started by Greg Rose (who created the Titleist Performance Institute), and within 2-3 miles of Congressional, TPC, Chevy Chase, Bethesda, Columbia and Woodmont country clubs - all have hosted mens/ladies Tour events, as well as majors including US and Sr. US Opens and from where several of the Tour execs were members. In a word - if Ryan is still in the area - it's because he isn't a bad teacher. The video - was posted by the OP - not Ryan - but it doesn't surprise me that one/some GolfWRXers may have seen the thread and told him...there's a bunch of them on this website.

All golf teachers have those that love them - and hate them. Even the ones on GolfWRX. I don't think Ryan's doing anything overtly different than they do/did. If his methods aren't your cup of tea - say so. But it doesn't mean the guy's a hack. I've had almost every golf problem known to mankind - and while I appreciate and like some of the golf videos and instruction offered by the Monte's, Ryan's, Shawn Clement's, Wayne D's, Kirk Lucas' of the world...frankly they only help me some of the time...not all of the time.

I'd love for any of you critics to post any golf info and video that you might like to show us - I'll bet the GolfWRX community will be equally "fair".

[oraclerio]

[quote name='ChipDriver' timestamp='1415745408' post='10431231']
If this is the same guy I know from 15 years ago - I'm glad to see he's still around.

FWIW - I met him a long time ago at one of the most successful public ranges in the area. It sold out to a REIT and I thought he went with the owners to open additional facilities. For what it's worth he says he's working now (per the video) at a facility in Maryland that was started by Greg Rose (who created the Titleist Performance Institute), and within 2-3 miles of Congressional, TPC, Chevy Chase, Bethesda, Columbia and Woodmont country clubs - all have hosted mens/ladies Tour events, as well as majors including US and Sr. US Opens and from where several of the Tour execs were members. In a word - if Ryan is still in the area - it's because he isn't a bad teacher. The video - was posted by the OP - not Ryan - but it doesn't surprise me that one/some GolfWRXers may have seen the thread and told him...there's a bunch of them on this website.

All golf teachers have those that love them - and hate them. Even the ones on GolfWRX. I don't think Ryan's doing anything overtly different than they do/did. If his methods aren't your cup of tea - say so. But it doesn't mean the guy's a hack. I've had almost every golf problem known to mankind - and while I appreciate and like some of the golf videos and instruction offered by the Monte's, Ryan's, Shawn Clement's, Wayne D's, Kirk Lucas' of the world...frankly they only help me some of the time...not all of the time.

I'd love for any of you critics to post any golf info and video that you might like to show us - I'll bet the GolfWRX community will be equally "fair".
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Yes. I'm still in the area. Been at Clubgolf for 9 years now. Yes this is the facility where Greg Rose started his certification program for golf fitness instructors before him and Dave left the area to start TPI.

For those who have negative comments about the drill: You're entitled to your opinion and I won't judge you for sharing it. Stating your opinions as scientific fact is where I'll take issue. I've seen some comments about how this will definitely cause injury. Prove it. This drill isn't for everyone. I can't think of a drill that IS for everyone. I use it sometimes when I have players that "hang back" and "spin out". If they have a desire to hit a draw or reduce their slice, OR want to move a positive attack angle to a negative one with a club they plan to hit off the ground, this is a drill I might use.

I try to do a good job stating in my videos that "this MAY help" for certain problems. I never guarantee anything. I've used the drill with roughly a dozen players and none of them have gotten injured. Some of them haven't gotten the timing correct and we've had to try something else. If it does a good job of getting the COP to move before there's an aggressive rotation up the chain and they hit the ball better without getting hurt. Success.

I hope I addressed any questions anyone had about the video. Always happy to have a mature conversation about the golf swing or teaching. Also happy to go completely ham sandwich for you flame throwers out there.

Be well
Ryan

[Soloman1]

The video talks about separating pelvis and torso in some context with the drill. I'm pretty sure every biomechanic study has shown that pelvic-torso separation is only an advantage at the top of the swing and early transition, not throughout the downswing like this forces the player into doing.

I'm sorry, but I think there are better ways to change path than making the student increase angle of attack, since most learners should be given ways to reduce angle of attack. The question is, after you increase their angle of attack to force their path to the right, what do you do reduce angle of attack again without bringing the path back left again?

If you want to change the path, I think you should change the path.

[oraclerio]

[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415744752' post='10431181']
wow so I went on Oracle's twitter after checking out his youtube page. PKTD is all over his feed in a feud. I'm so confused.
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Moments after I joined, before I had posted anything on the site I got private message from Damon telling me to be careful playing with fire. So I thought it would be entertaining to share our banter with my followers. I wasn't wrong.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415747143' post='10431361']
[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415744752' post='10431181']
wow so I went on Oracle's twitter after checking out his youtube page. PKTD is all over his feed in a feud. I'm so confused.
[/quote]

Moments after I joined, before I had posted anything on the site I got private message from Damon telling me to be careful playing with fire. So I thought it would be entertaining to share our banter with my followers. I wasn't wrong.
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I've played along for long enough now so i'll break the news to those who care ( why you would I have no idea). Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently. He seems to think he's doing Mr. Mayo some sort of favor. When he began trolling my profile page right after he joined, right after he had a Twitter convo with Mayo, well before he ever posted anything here, I called him out on it. Since then, he's taken to posting all of our PM's to his twitter feed because he, several others, and Mr. Maestro himself, are under the impression that I created the Mayo spoof videos that showed up here last summer. To be clear, they were funny as hell.....and I am guilty of taking jabs at Mr. Mayo, but I did not make them. There's an 'effort' by the social media fan club to attempt to smear me now as a result.

Most everything posted privately with Mr. Chaney aka 'OracleRio on twitter' was tongue and cheek and joking, but he's the kind of guy that would take that and post it publicly. You can view some of his lovely remarks about my wife, and some of my previous business ventures on his twitter feed and form your own opinions about his character independent of his teaching abilities.

[oraclerio]

[quote name='Soloman1' timestamp='1415747038' post='10431355']
The video talks about separating pelvis and torso in some context with the drill. I'm pretty sure every biomechanic study has shown that pelvic-torso separation is only an advantage at the top of the swing and early transition, not throughout the downswing like this forces the player into doing.

I'm sorry, but I think there are better ways to change path than making the student increase angle of attack, since most learners should be given ways to reduce angle of attack. The question is, after you increase their angle of attack to force their path to the right, what do you do reduce angle of attack again without bringing the path back left again?

If you want to change the path, I think you should change the path.
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You're assuming that the drill will overcook the aoa and path. If it is overcooked, we can use other drills or concepts to address it. If I want to change the path I use a variety of drills to change the path. So it sounds like we're on the same page. One drill is not better than another. You're going to have to find the one that resonates with the player. Saying "if you want to change the path, I think you should change the path" sounds like saying "If you want bigger biceps, you should have bigger biceps." It sounds like you may get along well with a coworker of mine who'll stand behind a student and say, "Swing more right" for an hour to change path.

This was fun guys (or girls, or tranny's. Never know who you're talking to here). I'll be on twitter where I know who I'm talking to so if something unnecessary is said to me I can talk to that individual in person at the PGA show or a seminar.
@oraclerio on twitter
Ryan Chaney

[oraclerio]

[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1415747621' post='10431395']
[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415747143' post='10431361']
[quote name='spider' timestamp='1415744752' post='10431181']
wow so I went on Oracle's twitter after checking out his youtube page. PKTD is all over his feed in a feud. I'm so confused.
[/quote]

Moments after I joined, before I had posted anything on the site I got private message from Damon telling me to be careful playing with fire. So I thought it would be entertaining to share our banter with my followers. I wasn't wrong.
[/quote]
I've played along for long enough now so i'll break the news to those who care ( why you would I have no idea). Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently. He seems to think he's doing Mr. Mayo some sort of favor. When he began trolling my profile page right after he joined, right after he had a Twitter convo with Mayo, well before he ever posted anything here, I called him out on it. Since then, he's taken to posting all of our PM's to his twitter feed because he, several others, and Mr. Maestro himself, are under the impression that I created the Mayo spoof videos that showed up here last summer. To be clear, they were funny as hell.....and I am guilty of taking jabs at Mr. Mayo, but I did not make them. There's an 'effort' by the social media fan club to attempt to smear me now as a result.

Most everything posted privately with Mr. Chaney aka 'OracleRio on twitter' was tongue and cheek and joking, but he's the kind of guy that would take that and post it publicly. You can view some of his lovely remarks about my wife, and some of my previous business ventures on his twitter feed and form your own opinions about his character independent of his teaching abilities.
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What he said. Except for the fact that the only thing he can prove is that Joe tweeted at me for advice. The advice he was seeking was not public. If trolling is viewing a page, I'm a troll. Damon sent the first message and hells gates opened from there. And we don't need to smear you, Damon. You did it to yourself.