Interesting Drill

[Metalfab]

Some people have way too much free time.

[oikos1]

[quote name='grant7' timestamp='1415810990' post='10434761']
So there are no good instructors who haven't posted on here yet?

At least give people a chance to show that they aren't 'good instructors', they might surprise you.
[/quote]

I don't think anyone believes "there are no good instructors who haven't posted on here yet?" It's a case by case basis...

Re-read oraclerio's first post. He clearly had no interest in defending/discussing his video lesson. He spent his time whining and taking a veiled shot at PKTD. Certainly suspicious, as sch**n did the same thing, although he was anything but veiled.

Instructors who can take a little heat and defend their ideas, even admit when they are wr-wr-wr-wrong, are the ones worth listening to...

[oikos1]

So sch**n is now one of the "seven words" you can't say on wrx? Awesome...

[whatshannenin]

[quote name='grant7' timestamp='1415810990' post='10434761']
So there are no good instructors who haven't posted on here yet?

At least give people a chance to show that they aren't 'good instructors', they might surprise you.
[/quote]

I didn't say that. I said when they do, they get interrupted by newbs and their free advice is becoming less common. This sch**n makes me sick.

[spider]

Beyond the fight oracle picked w pktd... How about the girls and tranny comment. That is a way to endear yourself to a community.
There seems to be a common theme developing that these newbies come in and their complaint is about screen names. I think most on here know who the instructors are and hence their real names. However some of us like myself are here trying to learn and maybe contribute but are in no way an instructor. So why would they need a name?
As far as I'm concerned these instructors can have their clique on fb group and argue theories between themselves but that doesn't help a hack like myself learn.
That is what this forum is about ...everyone is allowed

[grant7]

You said 'newbs claiming to be experts', if you don't give people a chance how can you determine their credibility as experts?

I agree the first post was interesting, I wasn't totally surprised after the way he was being treated. Ryan's second post was a different story. the girls and tranny's post, maybe it was about not making sexist or other assumptions? 'way to endear yourself to a community'?
One that had already dismissed your worth and insulted you.

Any justification for the aggression in PKTD's initial DM?

I didn't follow the whole thing with 'sch**n' and I certainly don't see the link here, besides a witch hunt.

How many of you have taken the time to look on twitter, at Oracle in general and the exchange with PKTD? Or is number of posts on golfwrx the only measure of a man?

I am not an instructor and I normally just here to, quietly, learn. Many threads now appear to become about boosting egos and arguing.

[planeshifts]

[quote name='notsohard' timestamp='1415660468' post='10425973']
just teach the golf swing as its meant to be swung, forget drills, there was no such thing when golf was taught in the 70's.....$$$$$$$$$$$$
[/quote]

Watched David Graham spend an hour doing a less extreme version of this in ............1979 !!!. David Frost as well.

[Fort Worth Pro]

[quote name='grant7' timestamp='1415815400' post='10435485']
You said 'newbs claiming to be experts', if you don't give people a chance how can you determine their credibility as experts?

I agree the first post was interesting, I wasn't totally surprised after the way he was being treated. Ryan's second post was a different story. the girls and tranny's post, maybe it was about not making sexist or other assumptions? 'way to endear yourself to a community'?
One that had already dismissed your worth and insulted you.

Any justification for the aggression in PKTD's initial DM?

I didn't follow the whole thing with 'sch**n' and I certainly don't see the link here, besides a witch hunt.

How many of you have taken the time to look on twitter, at Oracle in general and the exchange with PKTD? Or is number of posts on golfwrx the only measure of a man?

I am not an instructor and I normally just here to, quietly, learn. Many threads now appear to become about boosting egos and arguing.
[/quote]

Ryan joined the day that mayo tweeted him that he needed a favor. Pktd sees Ryan looking at his profile even though he has never posted. Pktd puts 1+1 together and sends Ryan a private message. Was it confrontational? Yes. Ryan was clearly here to stir the pot at Joe's request. Then Ryan puts private messages on twitter (lame). Did I miss anything??

[Hstead]

@FWP - that is what I have gathered. Just so happens a few days after those events I post this video and Ryan posts and then it looks like I am shilling for Ryan and he attacks PKTD and some tied me to Ryan. Bad timing on my part because I have always liked PKTD and want nothing to do with Cary, Finney, or Mayo.

I have nothing against Brian Manzella which apparently on some other sites, including the FB group I think you were a part of that I have never seen, many of these guys are friends because they all have Trackman in common and there have been some heated debates. I do not frequent the other sites but I guess Kelvin Miyahira, Jeffy, Jeff Mann, Manzella, Finney, Mayo, Chaney, et al have all been in huge fights on their forums and SITD. Again, I might have some of this messed up as I have not visited those forums to read it all. But this is how I understand it now and I have been caught in the middle by accident. There is no way I would have posted this video if I was going to be lumped in with these goons.

[whatshannenin]

[quote name='grant7' timestamp='1415815400' post='10435485']
[b]You said 'newbs claiming to be experts', if you don't give people a chance how can you determine their credibility as experts?[/b]

I agree the first post was interesting, I wasn't totally surprised after the way he was being treated. Ryan's second post was a different story. the girls and tranny's post, maybe it was about not making sexist or other assumptions? 'way to endear yourself to a community'?
One that had already dismissed your worth and insulted you.

Any justification for the aggression in PKTD's initial DM?

I didn't follow the whole thing with 'sch**n' and I certainly don't see the link here, besides a witch hunt.

How many of you have taken the time to look on twitter, at Oracle in general and the exchange with PKTD? Or is number of posts on golfwrx the only measure of a man?

I am not an instructor and I normally just here to, quietly, learn. Many threads now appear to become about boosting egos and arguing.
[/quote]




Reading comprehension isn't for everyone.....

[grant7]

Do you care to elaborate rather than just insulting me?

[grant7]

It appears to me that he is adding one and one and getting three. Maybe his suspicions would have been proven correct but he didn't give that a chance to happen.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

Let's break this down again. I PM'd a new member who happened to join the site here the same day he had a twitter convo where Mayo solicited his advice and Chaney confirms that he 'created account' (here). Then he proceeds to go straight to my profile page and troll around. A week prior to this (alleged) Mike Finney does the same thing and starts calling me out by my real name. (Damon Brossard) I asked Chaney if I could help him and told him to be careful playing with fire, he starts his tirade and I tell him to tell his buddy Maestro hi. He then completely denies even knowing him. Wasn't very hard to figure out what his intent was by joining here, and it certainly wasn't the first time this has happened....i'm actually getting quite used to this lol.
In the iconic words of Dr. Dre, " Everywhere that I go....I got people I know, who got people they know....so I suggest you lay low".

Back to me, Damon Brossard. Never been a secret and many here know me by name, a couple members here have sought out my services in the past. Had all my contact info from my former business right in plain view on my profile page. Also a link was on the Trackman locator. Personally, I never sought out to become an internet or social media golf guru. Never was my intent. Bought it because I felt it could genuinely benefit the greater golfing community here where I live. City of San Diego gave me a contract to operate as an independent contractor out of their course facilities over many Class A's. I had a complete sweetheart deal any of you instructors would have been jealous of. It was always very easy to find me if anyone wanted to and Mayo knew how to and did. To say I hide behind a fake internet name is laughable.

Joe Mayo is very sensitive about his playing background and abilities and wasn't happy that a Trackman owner, relatively close to home, was calling him out like almost everyone else here who knows the complete story. Why I've been the one singled out, IMO is because he believes I made his videos. In an age of social media groups and youtube and hits, there are some who don't particularly care (myself) and still prefer the old school.

[grant7]

It appears that there are similarities to unpleasant instances in your past. I am unsure how someone can 'troll around' on a golfwrx profile. I don't think the dm exchange reflected well on you. I have followed Ryan Chaney on twitter for a while, I assume you have too, to me much of his messages appear to be in line with his sense of humour, I appreciate that may not be to your taste but you initiated contact.

There are a lot separate things here, maybe they are connected.

As I said, I don't think this thread reflects well on the website as a whole, lots of jumping to conclusions, maybe you have jumped to the correct conclusion but I don't think thats a good practice and I think it makes the website unwelcoming to new contributors.

I would really like clarification on my lack of reading comprehension. Should I have said 'lack of credibility'? or is this confusion due to 'newb'? maybe it would be easier to comprehend if you used real words.

[northgolf]

[quote name='grant7' timestamp='1415830564' post='10437139']
It appears that there are similarities to unpleasant instances in your past. I am unsure how someone can 'troll around' on a golfwrx profile. I don't think the dm exchange reflected well on you. I have followed Ryan Chaney on twitter for a while, I assume you have too, to me much of his messages appear to be in line with his sense of humour, I appreciate that may not be to your taste but you initiated contact.

There are a lot separate things here, maybe they are connected.

As I said, I don't think this thread reflects well on the website as a whole, lots of jumping to conclusions, maybe you have jumped to the correct conclusion but I don't think thats a good practice and I think it makes the website unwelcoming to new contributors.

I would really like clarification on my lack of reading comprehension. Should I have said 'lack of credibility'? or is this confusion due to 'newb'? maybe it would be easier to comprehend if you used real words.
[/quote]

For me, this doesn't reflect on the website overall, only this thread. I think you are overstating the issue.

Evidently the moderators found enough issues with Ryan's postings to ban him quickly, so he must have violated the terms of service - he probably would done better had he read those as the first thing he did when he signed up.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

I'm not particularly concerned how it reflected. It was done as a PM as in private and not publicly. I gotta say Grant, you seem particularly concerned in doing what appears to be damage control for Ryan Chaney. If you can't see what was blatantly obvious as everyone else can don't know what to say. Those two weren't exactly stealthy about whatever they were attempting to do lol.

FWIW i've never even been on twitter until I created a fake account to respond to what Mr. Chaney was saying publicly about my wife.

[ChipDriver]

[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1415828984' post='10436993']
Let's break this down again. I PM'd a new member who happened to join the site here the same day he had a twitter convo where Mayo solicited his advice and Chaney confirms that he 'created account' (here). Then he proceeds to go straight to my profile page and troll around. A week prior to this (alleged) Mike Finney does the same thing and starts calling me out by my real name. (Damon Brossard) I asked Chaney if I could help him and told him to be careful playing with fire, he starts his tirade and I tell him to tell his buddy Maestro hi. He then completely denies even knowing him. Wasn't very hard to figure out what his intent was by joining here, and it certainly wasn't the first time this has happened....i'm actually getting quite used to this lol.
In the iconic words of Dr. Dre, " Everywhere that I go....I got people I know, who got people they know....so I suggest you lay low".

Back to me, Damon Brossard. Never been a secret and many here know me by name, a couple members here have sought out my services in the past. Had all my contact info from my former business right in plain view on my profile page. Also a link was on the Trackman locator. Personally, I never sought out to become an internet or social media golf guru. Never was my intent. Bought it because I felt it could genuinely benefit the greater golfing community here where I live. City of San Diego gave me a contract to operate as an independent contractor out of their course facilities over many Class A's. I had a complete sweetheart deal any of you instructors would have been jealous of. It was always very easy to find me if anyone wanted to and Mayo knew how to and did. To say I hide behind a fake internet name is laughable.

Joe Mayo is very sensitive about his playing background and abilities and wasn't happy that a Trackman owner, relatively close to home, was calling him out like almost everyone else here who knows the complete story. Why I've been the one singled out, IMO is because he believes I made his videos. In an age of social media groups and youtube and hits, there are some who don't particularly care (myself) and still prefer the old school.
[/quote]

With respect - I think you're not being honest with yourself or at least not with the forum.

OP posts a video and asks the group about the quality of the drill. The video is created by Ryan Chaney.
The drill and video are discussed and many don't agree with the video or whether the teaching is appropriate.
The author of the video - Ryan Chaney - logs on and starts to discuss and defend his teaching.
You start attacking him - and it turns ugly.
Chaney is banned.

According to post 57 he says that you contacted him with a threat. In post 103 (above) you admit as much.

If that's true - nothing up till that point was about you sir. In post 58 you make an assumption that [b]"[/b][color=#282828][b]Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently." And further you use your wife as a sympathetic ploy to start attacking Chaney's character. [/b] With respect - so what??? It seems clear from this thread that Chaney came here to defend and discuss his teaching....it had nothing to do with his character.[/color] [color=#282828]I don't doubt that you have an adverse history with Mr. Chaney - and he may in fact be an a-hole...but [/color][color=#282828]I don't see how your assumption in 58 is in any way supported by the threads up till that point. He clearly seems to have logged in with the intent and purpose to discuss and defend his video that the OP posted. [/color] Is he not allowed to discuss or defend his teaching?

[color="#282828"]I could care less about a personal fight you two have - but your mistake about why he joined the thread in GolfWRX and the red herring (misleading info) about your wife - simply has nothing to do with why Chaney was participating in this thread originally.[/color]

[color="#282828"]Your mistake has the effect of stifling discussion that may be helpful to other GolfWRX. It hurts the forum - not helps it. [/color]

[Fort Worth Pro]

[quote name='ChipDriver' timestamp='1415848295' post='10438647']
[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1415828984' post='10436993']
Let's break this down again. I PM'd a new member who happened to join the site here the same day he had a twitter convo where Mayo solicited his advice and Chaney confirms that he 'created account' (here). Then he proceeds to go straight to my profile page and troll around. A week prior to this (alleged) Mike Finney does the same thing and starts calling me out by my real name. (Damon Brossard) I asked Chaney if I could help him and told him to be careful playing with fire, he starts his tirade and I tell him to tell his buddy Maestro hi. He then completely denies even knowing him. Wasn't very hard to figure out what his intent was by joining here, and it certainly wasn't the first time this has happened....i'm actually getting quite used to this lol.
In the iconic words of Dr. Dre, " Everywhere that I go....I got people I know, who got people they know....so I suggest you lay low".

Back to me, Damon Brossard. Never been a secret and many here know me by name, a couple members here have sought out my services in the past. Had all my contact info from my former business right in plain view on my profile page. Also a link was on the Trackman locator. Personally, I never sought out to become an internet or social media golf guru. Never was my intent. Bought it because I felt it could genuinely benefit the greater golfing community here where I live. City of San Diego gave me a contract to operate as an independent contractor out of their course facilities over many Class A's. I had a complete sweetheart deal any of you instructors would have been jealous of. It was always very easy to find me if anyone wanted to and Mayo knew how to and did. To say I hide behind a fake internet name is laughable.

Joe Mayo is very sensitive about his playing background and abilities and wasn't happy that a Trackman owner, relatively close to home, was calling him out like almost everyone else here who knows the complete story. Why I've been the one singled out, IMO is because he believes I made his videos. In an age of social media groups and youtube and hits, there are some who don't particularly care (myself) and still prefer the old school.
[/quote]

With respect - I think you're not being honest with yourself or at least not with the forum.

OP posts a video and asks the group about the quality of the drill. The video is created by Ryan Chaney.
The drill and video are discussed and many don't agree with the video or whether the teaching is appropriate.
The author of the video - Ryan Chaney - logs on and starts to discuss and defend his teaching.
You start attacking him - and it turns ugly.
Chaney is banned.

According to post 57 he says that you contacted him with a threat. In post 103 (above) you admit as much.

If that's true - nothing up till that point was about you sir. In post 58 you make an assumption that [b]"[/b][color=#282828][b]Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently." And further you use your wife as a sympathetic ploy to start attacking Chaney's character. [/b] With respect - so what??? It seems clear from this thread that Chaney came here to defend and discuss his teaching....it had nothing to do with his character.[/color] [color=#282828]I don't doubt that you have an adverse history with Mr. Chaney - and he may in fact be an a-hole...but [/color][color=#282828]I don't see how your assumption in 58 is in any way supported by the threads up till that point. He clearly seems to have logged in with the intent and purpose to discuss and defend his video that the OP posted. [/color] Is he not allowed to discuss or defend his teaching?

[color="#282828"]I could care less about a personal fight you two have - but your mistake about why he joined the thread in GolfWRX and the red herring (misleading info) about your wife - simply has nothing to do with why Chaney was participating in this thread originally.[/color]

[color="#282828"]Your mistake has the effect of stifling discussion that may be helpful to other GolfWRX. It hurts the forum - not helps it. [/color]
[/quote]

Chaney joined a few days before the op put this video up. Check the dates. He wasn't here to defend his teaching

[northgolf]

[quote name='ChipDriver' timestamp='1415848295' post='10438647']
[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1415828984' post='10436993']
Let's break this down again. I PM'd a new member who happened to join the site here the same day he had a twitter convo where Mayo solicited his advice and Chaney confirms that he 'created account' (here). Then he proceeds to go straight to my profile page and troll around. A week prior to this (alleged) Mike Finney does the same thing and starts calling me out by my real name. (Damon Brossard) I asked Chaney if I could help him and told him to be careful playing with fire, he starts his tirade and I tell him to tell his buddy Maestro hi. He then completely denies even knowing him. Wasn't very hard to figure out what his intent was by joining here, and it certainly wasn't the first time this has happened....i'm actually getting quite used to this lol.
In the iconic words of Dr. Dre, " Everywhere that I go....I got people I know, who got people they know....so I suggest you lay low".

Back to me, Damon Brossard. Never been a secret and many here know me by name, a couple members here have sought out my services in the past. Had all my contact info from my former business right in plain view on my profile page. Also a link was on the Trackman locator. Personally, I never sought out to become an internet or social media golf guru. Never was my intent. Bought it because I felt it could genuinely benefit the greater golfing community here where I live. City of San Diego gave me a contract to operate as an independent contractor out of their course facilities over many Class A's. I had a complete sweetheart deal any of you instructors would have been jealous of. It was always very easy to find me if anyone wanted to and Mayo knew how to and did. To say I hide behind a fake internet name is laughable.

Joe Mayo is very sensitive about his playing background and abilities and wasn't happy that a Trackman owner, relatively close to home, was calling him out like almost everyone else here who knows the complete story. Why I've been the one singled out, IMO is because he believes I made his videos. In an age of social media groups and youtube and hits, there are some who don't particularly care (myself) and still prefer the old school.
[/quote]

With respect - I think you're not being honest with yourself or at least not with the forum.

OP posts a video and asks the group about the quality of the drill. The video is created by Ryan Chaney.
The drill and video are discussed and many don't agree with the video or whether the teaching is appropriate.
The author of the video - Ryan Chaney - logs on and starts to discuss and defend his teaching.
You start attacking him - and it turns ugly.
Chaney is banned.

According to post 57 he says that you contacted him with a threat. In post 103 (above) you admit as much.

If that's true - nothing up till that point was about you sir. In post 58 you make an assumption that [b]"[/b][color=#282828]Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently." And further you use your wife as a sympathetic ploy to start attacking Chaney's character[b]. [/b] With respect - so what??? It seems clear from this thread that Chaney came here to defend and discuss his teaching....it had nothing to do with his character.[/color] [color=#282828]I don't doubt that you have an adverse history with Mr. Chaney - and he may in fact be an a-hole...but [/color][color=#282828]I don't see how your assumption in 58 is in any way supported by the threads up till that point. He clearly seems to have logged in with the intent and purpose to discuss and defend his video that the OP posted. [/color] Is he not allowed to discuss or defend his teaching?

[color=#282828]I could care less about a personal fight you two have - but your mistake about why he joined the thread in GolfWRX and the red herring (misleading info) about your wife - simply has nothing to do with why Chaney was participating in this thread originally.[/color]

[color=#282828]Your mistake has the effect of stifling discussion that may be helpful to other GolfWRX. It hurts the forum - not helps it. [/color]
[/quote]

Timeline. Ryan joined before this thread started, so why did Ryan join, serendipity? Since he joined before the thread started your argument holds no weight.

[Hstead]

These guys are right Chip. I just went back and looked and Chaney's join date is the 8th. Two days before I posted. Bad timing on my part. I don't know this guy from Adam. I look at youtube for drills and have posted quite a few about left side bending etc in the past that I thought were helpful for me to get my pivot more centered for others that had the same intentions. I know some people join and rarely post and are here to learn. Not sure why he chose to not post until this thread but I can promise you it was not because I know him or have been in contact with him or am shilling for him.

[bph7]

[quote name='ChipDriver' timestamp='1415848295' post='10438647']
[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1415828984' post='10436993']
Let's break this down again. I PM'd a new member who happened to join the site here the same day he had a twitter convo where Mayo solicited his advice and Chaney confirms that he 'created account' (here). Then he proceeds to go straight to my profile page and troll around. A week prior to this (alleged) Mike Finney does the same thing and starts calling me out by my real name. (Damon Brossard) I asked Chaney if I could help him and told him to be careful playing with fire, he starts his tirade and I tell him to tell his buddy Maestro hi. He then completely denies even knowing him. Wasn't very hard to figure out what his intent was by joining here, and it certainly wasn't the first time this has happened....i'm actually getting quite used to this lol.
In the iconic words of Dr. Dre, " Everywhere that I go....I got people I know, who got people they know....so I suggest you lay low".

Back to me, Damon Brossard. Never been a secret and many here know me by name, a couple members here have sought out my services in the past. Had all my contact info from my former business right in plain view on my profile page. Also a link was on the Trackman locator. Personally, I never sought out to become an internet or social media golf guru. Never was my intent. Bought it because I felt it could genuinely benefit the greater golfing community here where I live. City of San Diego gave me a contract to operate as an independent contractor out of their course facilities over many Class A's. I had a complete sweetheart deal any of you instructors would have been jealous of. It was always very easy to find me if anyone wanted to and Mayo knew how to and did. To say I hide behind a fake internet name is laughable.

Joe Mayo is very sensitive about his playing background and abilities and wasn't happy that a Trackman owner, relatively close to home, was calling him out like almost everyone else here who knows the complete story. Why I've been the one singled out, IMO is because he believes I made his videos. In an age of social media groups and youtube and hits, there are some who don't particularly care (myself) and still prefer the old school.
[/quote]

With respect - I think you're not being honest with yourself or at least not with the forum.

OP posts a video and asks the group about the quality of the drill. The video is created by Ryan Chaney.
The drill and video are discussed and many don't agree with the video or whether the teaching is appropriate.
The author of the video - Ryan Chaney - logs on and starts to discuss and defend his teaching.
You start attacking him - and it turns ugly.
Chaney is banned.

According to post 57 he says that you contacted him with a threat. In post 103 (above) you admit as much.

If that's true - nothing up till that point was about you sir. In post 58 you make an assumption that [b]"[/b][color=#282828][b]Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently." And further you use your wife as a sympathetic ploy to start attacking Chaney's character. [/b] With respect - so what??? It seems clear from this thread that Chaney came here to defend and discuss his teaching....it had nothing to do with his character.[/color] [color=#282828]I don't doubt that you have an adverse history with Mr. Chaney - and he may in fact be an a-hole...but [/color][color=#282828]I don't see how your assumption in 58 is in any way supported by the threads up till that point. He clearly seems to have logged in with the intent and purpose to discuss and defend his video that the OP posted. [/color] Is he not allowed to discuss or defend his teaching?

[color="#282828"]I could care less about a personal fight you two have - but your mistake about why he joined the thread in GolfWRX and the red herring (misleading info) about your wife - simply has nothing to do with why Chaney was participating in this thread originally.[/color]

[color="#282828"]Your mistake has the effect of stifling discussion that may be helpful to other GolfWRX. It hurts the forum - not helps it. [/color]
[/quote]

If you had just looked at the facts, which you clearly werent interested in, you could have saved yourself the time of writing this pointless reply... As others have said, Chaney joined before this thread, sorry, but the facts got in the way of your narrative....

[PutterKilledTheDream]

[quote name='ChipDriver' timestamp='1415848295' post='10438647']
[quote name='PutterKilledTheDream' timestamp='1415828984' post='10436993']
Let's break this down again. I PM'd a new member who happened to join the site here the same day he had a twitter convo where Mayo solicited his advice and Chaney confirms that he 'created account' (here). Then he proceeds to go straight to my profile page and troll around. A week prior to this (alleged) Mike Finney does the same thing and starts calling me out by my real name. (Damon Brossard) I asked Chaney if I could help him and told him to be careful playing with fire, he starts his tirade and I tell him to tell his buddy Maestro hi. He then completely denies even knowing him. Wasn't very hard to figure out what his intent was by joining here, and it certainly wasn't the first time this has happened....i'm actually getting quite used to this lol.
In the iconic words of Dr. Dre, " Everywhere that I go....I got people I know, who got people they know....so I suggest you lay low".

Back to me, Damon Brossard. Never been a secret and many here know me by name, a couple members here have sought out my services in the past. Had all my contact info from my former business right in plain view on my profile page. Also a link was on the Trackman locator. Personally, I never sought out to become an internet or social media golf guru. Never was my intent. Bought it because I felt it could genuinely benefit the greater golfing community here where I live. City of San Diego gave me a contract to operate as an independent contractor out of their course facilities over many Class A's. I had a complete sweetheart deal any of you instructors would have been jealous of. It was always very easy to find me if anyone wanted to and Mayo knew how to and did. To say I hide behind a fake internet name is laughable.

Joe Mayo is very sensitive about his playing background and abilities and wasn't happy that a Trackman owner, relatively close to home, was calling him out like almost everyone else here who knows the complete story. Why I've been the one singled out, IMO is because he believes I made his videos. In an age of social media groups and youtube and hits, there are some who don't particularly care (myself) and still prefer the old school.
[/quote]

With respect - I think you're not being honest with yourself or at least not with the forum.

OP posts a video and asks the group about the quality of the drill. The video is created by Ryan Chaney.
The drill and video are discussed and many don't agree with the video or whether the teaching is appropriate.
The author of the video - Ryan Chaney - logs on and starts to discuss and defend his teaching.
You start attacking him - and it turns ugly.
Chaney is banned.

According to post 57 he says that you contacted him with a threat. In post 103 (above) you admit as much.

If that's true - nothing up till that point was about you sir. In post 58 you make an assumption that [b]"[/b][color=#282828][b]Mr. Chaney here joined the site specifically to look for conflict with me, apparently." [/b][/color][color=#ff0000][b]And further you use your wife as a sympathetic ploy to start attacking Chaney's character. [/b][/color][color=#282828] With respect - so what??? It seems clear from this thread that Chaney came here to defend and discuss his teaching....it had nothing to do with his character.[/color] [color=#282828]I don't doubt that you have an adverse history with Mr. Chaney - and he may in fact be an a-hole...but [/color][color=#282828]I don't see how your assumption in 58 is in any way supported by the threads up till that point. He clearly seems to have logged in with the intent and purpose to discuss and defend his video that the OP posted. [/color] Is he not allowed to discuss or defend his teaching?

[color=#282828]I could care less about a personal fight you two have - but your mistake about why he joined the thread in GolfWRX and the red herring (misleading info) about your wife - simply has nothing to do with why Chaney was participating in this thread originally.[/color]

[color=#282828]Your mistake has the effect of stifling discussion that may be helpful to other GolfWRX. It hurts the forum - not helps it. [/color]
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Damage control team for Mr. Chaney. He asked me where he could find pics of my wife and said he was searching. I can screenshot all day long lol....?
Really want that to happen? I think the point was made clear already what his purpose was but if you really need me to....

[ChipDriver]

I admit that I don't know how to check how to see when Mr. Chaney is/was registered on the forum - but even if I was wrong on that fact - it doesn't invalidate the rest of my post. In this thread - Mr. Chaney kept his comments specific to either defending or explaining his teaching. In this thread - he didn't throw the first stone - you guys did.

And you use post hoc reasoning to justify your mistake? You want to attack me - instead of defending your actions - no problem, it's more distractions and obfuscation. It doesn't change the facts in the thread....regardless of when he actually registered.

As simply as I can put it: Even if this guy is everything bad that you claim - ihe didn't bring up any of the dirty laundry - he was explaining his methodology and teaching which would otherwise HELP the forum. Shouting him down and bringing up things that a simply weren't relevant to the thread is hurting the forum.

[Hstead]

Chip, you joined 04/06/2010. I joined 09/30/2009. It is all listed under your avatar on every post we make. Do you think it is odd that he joined a few days ago and never posted?

[ChipDriver]

[quote]
Damage control team for Mr. Chaney. He asked me where he could find pics of my wife and said he was searching. I can screenshot all day long lol....?
Really want that to happen? I think the point was made clear already what his purpose was but if you really need me to....

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I don't mean disrespect to your wife - and I would defend mine too where it was appropriate.

But in this thread - nobody brought your wife into this thread....except you. Blaming anyone else is disingenuous.

[bph7]

[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
[/quote]

Chip driver , this was Chaney's first post. Yeh, sure seems like he was looking to help...

[ChipDriver]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1415853343' post='10439079']
Chip, you joined 04/06/2010. I joined 09/30/2009. It is all listed under your avatar on every post we make. Do you think it is odd that he joined a few days ago and never posted?
[/quote]

Thank you - I'm over 40 so I don't understand some technology.

No - I don't find it odd. I find it irrelevant to the subject matter in the thread. Even if Chaney is a nasty guy in general - he was not exhibiting any of those tendencies until he was provoked, as he stated in post 57, and as admitted in #103. He should be judged on what he writes here...not based on things he has allegedly done. It simply isn't relevant to this thread.

Prior to post 57 what did Chaney do other than discuss the video that you posted?

Again I don't doubt that he might have a personal feud with other posters here....but in this thread he didn't address any of that. Many of us have had disagreements and been discourteous to others in separate threads - but are you saying it's ok to hold that against them in EVERY thread? I don't believe that's fair or germane.

[Fort Worth Pro]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1415853779' post='10439117']
[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
[/quote]

Chip driver , this was Chaney's first post. Yeh, sure seems like he was looking to help...
[/quote]

Immediately went after PKTD in post 1. Pretty obvious why joe sent him over.

[ChipDriver]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1415853779' post='10439117']
[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
[/quote]

Chip driver , this was Chaney's first post. Yeh, sure seems like he was looking to help...
[/quote]

He was being facetious - that's how I read it.

[ChipDriver]

[quote name='Fort Worth Pro' timestamp='1415854208' post='10439151']
[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1415853779' post='10439117']
[quote name='oraclerio' timestamp='1415682740' post='10427899']
Hey! You guys posted one of the drills I use occasionally on the forum! The instructors name is Ryan Chaney (me). I'm a complete hack and you should never try anything I suggest. As some have mentioned, most of my drills will easily put you in the hospital. Reading the comments have motivated me to quit my job and open a second hand childrens clothing/toy/"candy" shop. Thanks for the motivation, guys. Be well!
[/quote]

Chip driver , this was Chaney's first post. Yeh, sure seems like he was looking to help...
[/quote]

Immediately went after PKTD in post 1. Pretty obvious why joe sent him over.
[/quote]

Where in that post is he referring to PKTD? (I assume that PKTD is the poster with the PutterKilledTheDream)?