need your opinion as finished irons

[jrr]

First I hope this is the right place for seeking your opinion on a fitting/shaft fitting.

 

I'm looking for your opinion on what you would do re the fitter and his responsibility? I know my options for handling the shafts. Would you bother with the original fitter or not?

 

 

A little over a year ago, went to a top 100 fitter for an iron fitting. My mp53 had KBSTour S in +.5 length. Indicated to fitter wanted at least D1[where they were before he touched them] or better for feel and due to back issues keep the +.5" lengths. Wanted to soften flex as I am getting older and wanted to help elbow pain while playing.

 

Net, Aerotech shafts were installed, grips picked, lie angle changed, etc but the changes other than shafts were a bit minor as I have played these specs for a number of years. The cost was $600 net with the fitting cost credited at 50%. A warranty included follow up to correct or alter. Clubs arrived in 10 days.

 

Dropping 30 grams would cause some adjustments which I accepted. However, right at the start I was getting toe digs and general lost feeling of head, figured a bit of casting and worked for about a month with our pro. I gave up and called fitter, explained my concern re weight but focused on the toe dig. Was told get it "fixed where I lived" and that was end of the conversation. I just assumed it was me.

 

Fast forward. 4 months of very bad winter not playing golf, followed by one shoulder injury, followed by moving and packing and honey do's happened. I played 8 rounds in 9 months. Started to play again in last Sept. Couldn't hit the irons for nothing, no consistentcy, toe digging. Had lessons but just couldn't get anything to happen.

 

Just fitted in my new state by a highly accredited fitter. He kept saying the i95 were beyond stiff on the range and couldn't understand why.

 

Net the sw were C4-5, the length was std not +.5 and the were all flat from Mizzy's already low lie numbers. There is no way to salvage the set. The aerotech are great shafts and perfect for a std install with or without tip weights as heads require.

 

I was a 9hc before changing shafts, again not aerotech's fault, today struggling to keep a 12.

[mikah]

[quote name='jrr' timestamp='1418910317' post='10611259']
First I hope this is the right place for seeking your opinion on a fitting/shaft fitting.

I'm looking for your opinion on what you would do re the fitter and his responsibility?


A little over a year ago, went to a top 100 fitter for an iron fitting. My mp53 had KBSTour S in +.5 length. Indicated to fitter wanted at least D1[where they were before he touched them] or better for feel and due to back issues keep the +.5" lengths. Wanted to soften flex as I am getting older and wanted to help elbow pain while playing.

Net, Aerotech shafts were installed, grips picked, lie angle changed, etc but the changes other than shafts were a bit minor as I have played these specs for a number of years. The cost was $600 net with the fitting cost credited at 50%. A warranty included follow up to correct or alter. Clubs arrived in 10 days.

Dropping 30 grams would cause some adjustments which I accepted. However, right at the start I was getting toe digs and general lost feeling of head, figured a bit of casting and worked for about a month with our pro. I gave up and called fitter, explained my concern re weight but focused on the toe dig. Was told get it "fixed where I lived" and that was end of the conversation. I just assumed it was me.

Fast forward. 4 months of very bad winter not playing golf, followed by one shoulder injury, followed by moving and packing and honey do's happened. I played 8 rounds in 9 months. Started to play again in last Sept. Couldn't hit the irons for nothing, no consistentcy, toe digging. Had lessons but just couldn't get anything to happen.

Just fitted in my new state by a highly accredited fitter. He kept saying the i95 were beyond stiff on the range and couldn't understand why.

Net the sw were C4-5, the length was std not +.5 and the were all flat from Mizzy's already low lie numbers. There is no way to salvage the set. The aerotech are great shafts and perfect for a std install with or without tip weights as heads require.

I was a 9hc before changing shafts, again not aerotech's fault, today struggling to keep a 12.
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Why do you say, no way to salvage the set?

If you move the shafts around so every club is 1/2 inch longer, and add tip weights if necessary, you can change SW to suit and youll only have to buy one additional shaft for longest club?

[Jasonfish_02]

[quote name='jrr' timestamp='1418910317' post='10611259']
First I hope this is the right place for seeking your opinion on a fitting/shaft fitting.

I'm looking for your opinion on what you would do re the fitter and his responsibility?


A little over a year ago, went to a top 100 fitter for an iron fitting. My mp53 had KBSTour S in +.5 length. Indicated to fitter wanted at least D1[where they were before he touched them] or better for feel and due to back issues keep the +.5" lengths. Wanted to soften flex as I am getting older and wanted to help elbow pain while playing.

Net, Aerotech shafts were installed, grips picked, lie angle changed, etc but the changes other than shafts were a bit minor as I have played these specs for a number of years. The cost was $600 net with the fitting cost credited at 50%. A warranty included follow up to correct or alter. Clubs arrived in 10 days.

Dropping 30 grams would cause some adjustments which I accepted. However, right at the start I was getting toe digs and general lost feeling of head, figured a bit of casting and worked for about a month with our pro. I gave up and called fitter, explained my concern re weight but focused on the toe dig. Was told get it "fixed where I lived" and that was end of the conversation. I just assumed it was me.

Fast forward. 4 months of very bad winter not playing golf, followed by one shoulder injury, followed by moving and packing and honey do's happened. I played 8 rounds in 9 months. Started to play again in last Sept. Couldn't hit the irons for nothing, no consistentcy, toe digging. Had lessons but just couldn't get anything to happen.

Just fitted in my new state by a highly accredited fitter. He kept saying the i95 were beyond stiff on the range and couldn't understand why.

Net the sw were C4-5, the length was std not +.5 and the were all flat from Mizzy's already low lie numbers. There is no way to salvage the set. The aerotech are great shafts and perfect for a std install with or without tip weights as heads require.

I was a 9hc before changing shafts, again not aerotech's fault, today struggling to keep a 12.
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Sorry to hear about your issues. I agree I don't see how they aren't salvagable in any way.

If they aren't salvagable feel free to send them my way and I'll tinker with them.

Hope you either get them worked out or a set you can play with

[jrr]

Mikah/Jason
You are right if you are willing to change 7 shafts and add one new shaft and pay for all of the work, my rough guess to do it right 150 or more. IF you can buy a single taper tip 95?

My question, though, was seeking an opinion on dealing or not with the original fitting dealer.

[mikah]

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Mikah/Jason
You are right if you are willing to change 7 shafts and add one new shaft and pay for all of the work, my rough guess to do it right 150 or more. IF you can buy a single taper tip 95?

My question, though, was seeking an opinion on dealing or not with the original fitting dealer.
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You should be able to get a reputable fitter to pull the shafts for no more than $5.00 each. With graphite thats the tricky part.
Ask the fitter to put a couple together (dry) and figure the SW.
If 1/2 inch brings SW to D1; get some two part epoxy, 7 new ferrules and put them together.

If you still need tip weights, they are less than $1 a piece.

Yes you can buy shafts one at a time.

I'd send a letter/email to the original fitter, explain what you have and ask him if he will change the shafts around so lenghts are + 1/2 inch and D1 as you originally requested. Maybe send a copy to the organization that labels fitter, top 100.

Good luck.

[flexdex333]

Jack, all is not doomed! Could you explain the fitter's comment about being "beyond stiff?"

Also, if they're spec-ing out at c4-5, then 1/2" will only get you to about c7-8. You'll still need some tip weights or lead tape.

You can grab a single aerotech from golfsmith for about $40 if you end up stepping the shafts.

Edit: I'd stay away from the original fitter, it's one thing to mess up your build when you clearly stated +1/2", but then for him to give you attitude back, that'd be a conversation ender.

[mikah]

[quote name='flexdex333' timestamp='1418920196' post='10612035']
Jack, all is not doomed! Could you explain the fitter's comment about being "beyond stiff?"

Also, if they're spec-ing out at c4-5, then 1/2" will only get you to about c7-8. You'll still need some tip weights or lead tape.

You can grab a single aerotech from golfsmith for about $40 if you end up stepping the shafts.

Edit: I'd stay away from the original fitter, it's one thing to mess up your build when you clearly stated +1/2", but then for him to give you attitude back, that'd be a conversation ender.
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Good points about the fitter.

Impression i have is that Aerotech is a very reputable American company.
I bet if you sent an explanation of what transpired to customer service at Aerotech you might get more satisfaction.

Flexdex333 brings up a good point about stiffness. That fitter may have fitted you with tipped, pull outs.
If you have one pulled, you will know if its tapered tipped or not.

[jrr]

Alan
Our collabrative effort came out with an outstanding set. The DG Pro's matched with the heads produced darts, feel and a 3 over round with 3 three putts over a quick nine. You will love the weather down here tomorrow, its been beautiful just north here.

Mikah/Alan
Again mechanically this can be done. I think/know it will be more than 5-6 buck. The tip weighting and such will add up and again picking up a single tt shaft isn't that easy and not for $40.
I am more interested in how you would deal with the original fitter. Whether you would hold him accountable? What would you expect him to do, if anything?

Now Aerotech is nothing but a super standup company. I have dealt with them over the 18 month project, always time to talk and help. Without going into the details, they are standing right with me.

By way the answer to how could be too stiff is aparently simple. When SW is down as low as mine are, you can't properly load the club, which gives you the feeling of super stiffness. That came from my new fitter and Aerotech

[flexdex333]

Great to hear, I'm glad they're providing results! And can't wait to get down. Landing at 10:30, teeing off at noon.

Here's a link to a single taper tip steelfiber http://www.grips4less.com/products/aerotech-steelfiber-iron-tapered-shaft?variant=954729781 It's a legit website, and I think they should have what you're looking for. Alternatively, you could always call Discount Dan and ask him to order something. He may do better on the price quoted above.

Question, were your Mizunos a set of the lighter heads to offset the +1/2" original build? It might be a matter of club head weight that is making them play less stiff, but swingweight is just a relationship formula. We're probably saying the same thing, but it's a slightly different dynamic.

Also, might want to have Mods move this to the clubmaking forum, as you may get some better answers.

[BCC]

Good luck getting those pulled and reinstalled for $5-6.00 ea !!!! You're limited on tip weights also because of i.d. of those shafts, a normal graphite weight will take up about .25" which is going to lessen your insertion depth. Might just get them pulled/cleaned and sold !!

[casey_0507]

I would absolutely hold the original club builder responsible. You paid for not only a service but also physical items. It seems like the service was not what was offered, nor are the physical items.

[flexdex333]

Sorry, I think I answered off topic again. Sounds like the original fitter did a shotty job. It's unfortunate that it was over a year ago, as I'm sure he could have made any tweaks (or in your case a full overhaul) if you had swung them again after the fitting to make sure everything turned out as planned.

I would love to say in a perfect world the fitter would recognize his error and try to make good on the situation, but it sounds like that ship sailed a while ago. And once again, a guy who couldn't do it right the first time isn't someone I'd necessarily want trying to rectify the situation on the back end.

[apprenti23]

Out the fitter to Aerotech as well! Tell them that one of their distributors/authorized retailers is participating in unethical transactions.

[jrr]

Thanks folks, it reassures my italian side is right overruling the Irish side. Let me say again Aerotech is a fine upstanding company.

Alan the ship sailed the day he sent them.

The mizzys were suppose to be the heavy but apparently turned in light but again with KBS's they were D1. I obviously don't do builds or tech. I have been told Mizuno is a bit of a situation on head weights.

Point if you can't do something, don't take the money and wiff. BCC, they are going to be sold and with full disclosure.

[phizzy30]

You could sell the mizzy's on ebay or bst and get fitted this time by a fitter that does good work if all else fails. Just make sure you get your references and ask around.

[jrr]

Phizzy
I won't sell the irons complete as that would just pass on the problem to another unknowing person. Not in me.

I am going to seperate the shafts and the heads and sell them seperately. My new fitter, who I trust and just built me a killer set of AP2's, said that steel or even i80's would work with the heads just not the combo and job I paid through the nose for.

Like you suggest, I got good references and did a fair amount of checking. Best case though he is 15 mis from my house and isn't going anywhere.