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[DeNinny]

For me the best instruction has always been Nick Faldo with David Leadbetter.... - DN

 

My heroes starting out were hitters, Jack, Norman guys with great failure I tried to emulate for a long time. Come to really appreciate guys like Snead, Watson and feel that Tiger in 2001 may have had the best swing ever to grace the game. A great blend of old school and new. Think highly of Butch Hamon.

 

Nowadays I'm in awe of Rory, he represents pivot based swings at an insane level.

 

So I'm attempting to incorporate more pivot based fundamentals to a bastardized classic swing. The 5 principles you laid out? Violated everyone to an extreme. Reeling it all has taken long time and effort, but it's paying off. I'm still a hitter but body, legs and geometry are greatly improved. Not alarmed by early season scores, I've tasted what's coming and the cooking is good.

 

Cheers.

 

I don't think I quoted that, but I do think Faldo is a good swing analyst. Leadbetter, eh, meh.

 

I grew up watching Jack and Watson. I really wanted Watson's swing as a kid but I never took it back as high as he did, nor could I reverse C finish like he and Jack did. I think I do have more of an upright swing now and it is definitely classic. Maybe like Seve's but also definitely a sweeper which Seve wasn't. I definitely can't swing the modern post Tiger era swing. And yeah Rory's is a great, great modern swing. Just body torque to the max. I can't relate to it but it is a thing of beauty. Just a perfect "swoosh" swing. But if any swing in the modern era has caught my attention it is Rickie's just because he has his own style but it is still fundamentally good. Also he has improved under Butch.

 

Best swing ever to me? Mickey Wright's.

 

It's really cool to hear you connected with my fundamental swing actions. And yeah they really should be simplified in those one directional motions and planes. No need to make the arcs of the swing curve any more than necessary. And again because all five move the clubhead itself, if NOT done properly, any one of them can take the clubhead out of position at impact. So it is imperative that all of them be done with simple one direction momentum actions so as to limit their variability on the clubface position at impact. Per Sir Isaac Newton himself, a body in motion tends to stay in motion, so as those five rotation/hinge actions occur as you swing, they need to be set on simple momentum paths in order to maintain BOTH consistency AND power. To deviate from this is an inevitable loss of momentum and thus a miss hit.

[bervin]

This is going to seem crazy but the swing I found most helpful from sheer television observation is Freddie Couples. His tempo and doesn't matter where the feet and shoulders are aimed, as long as the club face is pointing in the right direction on the right path/plane at impact approach were instrumental for my approach to a full swing.

 

I've said this before, (not sure if in this thread or not so don't be upset if I'm redundant) the most influential, however, were Boo Weekley and Bubba Watson. Particularly Bubba. I came up playing somewhat regularly with these two in NW Florida and they helped me tremendously. Both are incredibly feel oriented and taught me their mental approach to the game and helped me to understand how that translates to the physical act of swinging the club.

 

Deninny, I agree though about Faldo. He has a wonderful ability to break down a golf swing. I'd say Ledbetter is doing fine for himself, too though!

[DeNinny]

bervin Freddie has one of the most all time perfect sequenced swings ever. The way he ties all the motions together with such smooth style is a model of what good tempo and sequencing can do in terms of power and shotmaking. Freddie was an iron striking beast.

 

And Bubba's is really simple. LOL like an upside down trebuchet he just catapults the clubface into the ball with a wallop. He just takes it so high in the BS beautifully and with his height and long arms he can just come screaming down at the ball and unleash into it. I'm a fan for sure.

 

Moe Norman aside, from a pure engineered efficiency standpoint I don't think anybody had a more efficient and such a simple and scary repeatable swing as Nick Price.

[kaaayelll]

Great couple of posts, C. You're right about the BB top line slope; it's much flatter than some, particularly the models of which you've spoken fondly. I haven't looked at an MB001 in a while, but my memory is that it has a steeper top line slope - might be worth checking out.

 

I like the path you're on. My point earlier was that there is no perfect design, exactly because design, by definition, is about compromise. That doesn't mean there's no perfect design for you; it'll just differ from mine (and likely relative to playing conditions). Someone will [hopefully] make a set with the exact compromises that suit you.

 

This line of thinking is why I find the talk of superiority of a specific design, or type of club, to be futile (product quality is a different story). It's all a matter of priorities. We've acknowledged that a badly struck shot with a blade can feel terrible. I like that because I want the feedback. But for the person who plays a couple times a year and may just want to enjoy time with friends in a beautiful environment, I'm glad less painful options have been designed. Of course, misleading marketing is annoyingly unfortunate.

 

I'm also an irons guy. My iron play largely determines my satisfaction with a round. I will say that I became more of a putter guy when I went custom and saw the benefits in my scores.

[mallrat]

Hey friends, been a Lil while...had my phone stolen at the course a few weeks ago so been out of the loop.

I love my mp 5s more every round...have a 690.cb 2 iron in the bag and the 440 flex kicked the m1 and r15 430 out of the bag....don't get as good distance but the flex is as accurate a driver as I've ever used and I'll take soft and straight over far and where the "f" is my ball.

Played Riverdale this past weekend, shot an 84.

The guy I played with, he's family so I can't truly call him out the way I should, but in a word, cheats like no one I've seen. I wouldn't mind his insane score keeping but after rounds he brags about his score, etc....

If the ball is within 5 feet, he counts that as in, he doesn't add a stroke for give-mes, etc, all of which is fine, unless u count everyone else's the right way, lie about your score, brag that u shot a 71(he actually shot a 94). I called him out on hole 2, when he gave himself a 3 instead of a 6, but he said, as if I could just hallucinate 3 shots, that I must be confused regardless, I kept a seperate score card that tracked his true score, and the difference was 23 strokes...23!!!...what would u guys do....he's gonna be in my life for the long haul. I know it's just golf, but he literally rubs everyone's nose in his scores, how many strokes he wins by etc....I swear i feel like I'm on some flicking hidden camera show when he talks to see if I'll go insane and beat him to death with my putter.... funny thing is he is actually pretty decent, can drive the heck out of the ball, but from about 30 yards in he falls apart

 

Sorry to jump in so late on this but have a friend who does this. We refer to it as a "natural" 6 or "unnatural" 3. He thinks we are referring to lost balls. ?

[Kingcat990]

Someone will [hopefully] make a set with the exact compromises that suit you.

 

And this is basically why I have no reservations buying and selling a plethora of iron sets. In search of my "perfect". Which changes daily. So there is no end :)

[NolanP]

Anyone know what are the most compact blades available for leftys?

[wmblake2000]

Great couple of posts, C. You're right about the BB top line slope; it's much flatter than some, particularly the models of which you've spoken fondly. I haven't looked at an MB001 in a while, but my memory is that it has a steeper top line slope - might be worth checking out.

 

I like the path you're on. My point earlier was that there is no perfect design, exactly because design, by definition, is about compromise. That doesn't mean there's no perfect design for you; it'll just differ from mine (and likely relative to playing conditions). Someone will [hopefully] make a set with the exact compromises that suit you.

 

This line of thinking is why I find the talk of superiority of a specific design, or type of club, to be futile (product quality is a different story). It's all a matter of priorities. We've acknowledged that a badly struck shot with a blade can feel terrible. I like that because I want the feedback. But for the person who plays a couple times a year and may just want to enjoy time with friends in a beautiful environment, I'm glad less painful options have been designed. Of course, misleading marketing is annoyingly unfortunate.

 

I'm also an irons guy. My iron play largely determines my satisfaction with a round. I will say that I became more of a putter guy when I went custom and saw the benefits in my scores.

 

Thx... good stuff.

 

Putter fitting is the most important of all fittings imo. I'd love to go to Tokyo and go to Benock. Putters are about score not aesthetics for me and this fitting process sounds extraordinary.

[wmblake2000]

Someone will [hopefully] make a set with the exact compromises that suit you.

 

And this is basically why I have no reservations buying and selling a plethora of iron sets. In search of my "perfect". Which changes daily. So there is no end :)

 

I've done this (Buy and sell) so much that I'm trying to get off that merry-go-round. That's why I'm going to keep several sets around. Although I may just be kidding myself. I love new irons...

[dog flog]

I have to ask, because it has always ALWAYS bothered me; when you guys make a swing front to back, do you ever take your eyes off the ball? Before I start some diatribe, just hear me out friends. I have noticed some players (damn good players) that actually follow about 30% of their back swing with their eyes before returning their head to the ball and finishing their back swing. Their hip position and shoulders never deviate from their static placement, but it's like their chin follows the club head for 30% and they just strike the ever loving sh°t out of the ball.

 

Have you guys noticed this at all? Seen anyone do it? Or actually do it? I don't want to start any terrible habits, just curious. Damnedest thing I have seen, but have seen it in a few local ball strikers. Can't recall any pros doing it.

If I had to try to put it in a nutshell, I agree with the idea that you should keep the balls' position in your mind's eye, not necessarily your eyes proper.

[Kingcat990]

Someone will [hopefully] make a set with the exact compromises that suit you.

 

And this is basically why I have no reservations buying and selling a plethora of iron sets. In search of my "perfect". Which changes daily. So there is no end :)

 

I've done this (Buy and sell) so much that I'm trying to get off that merry-go-round. That's why I'm going to keep several sets around. Although I may just be kidding myself. I love new irons...

 

C...between you an myself, as much as we buy and sell, when you and I get out to the course, we will eventually find, or at least, narrow down our perspective on blades. I have a feeling you will get a chance to try a Full set of BB's in Modus 120S hard stepped :)

[dog flog]

Another way of putting it would be, if your body knows where the ball is, it isn't necessary for your eyes to focus on it.

[Kingcat990]

Another way of putting it would be, if your body knows where the ball is, it isn't necessary for your eyes to focus on it.

 

I'd say that this is one comment that could be filed to golf's many lessons of truth.

[NRJyzr]

Boys, i don't know after today about blades in my long irons. Shot even par today and missed 6 putts inside of ten feet but that's another story. 5-p is really good, 3,4 iron not so much. Each time I hit 3,4 iron today it was a huge klank and went about 115 yards. Def cost me 1-2 strokes. Funny thing is, I'm not even mad about the putts because I hit them exactly online and as I wanted. 4 of the 6 lipped out. Just wasn't my day. This may sound ridiculous and apologize if you think so but that was the most disappointing 72 I've ever shot. I've not shot in the 60s but once in my life and it was 10 years ago. Really missed a good chance today and I'm soooooooo bummed about it. Oh and it was in a pro-am tournament as well, ughh. I'm really thinking I need a combo set. Sorry if this is off topic but had to vent somewhere.

 

 

My personal best round was a 73 I shot at my course from our blue tees (par 71, rated 71.4/126). I'd spent the previous 12 months playing Ping Eye2+, and a week or so before, had taken blades out for a spin, for the heck of it. A friend asked me about it, and said something like "you should play those more often, you hit them better than the Pings." Hmmm..... Played one more round with the Pings, which was awful, and dug out my Ram TG-898 blades.

 

I proceeded to have a round exactly as you describe. Hit the ball with crazy precision, relative to my skill level (6 hdcp) at the time. Hit 12 or 13 greens, and missed 6-8 putts inside 10 feet, five of those about 5 or 6 feet. The greens are the main defense of this course, they have a lot of subtle breaks, but I was lipping putts out every few holes. It could have very easily been a 67 if I'd putted as I had the previous weekend, when I'd shot 78.

 

I finished with a birdie on 18 and immediately started complaining about how much lower I could have shot. My friends gave me a lot of crap for that, LOL (as they should have).

 

Turt, a long way of saying.... I feel your pain.

 

As for the long iron thing.... it's completely mental, and I get that too. The only way you're going to get past it is to hit a bunch of 4 irons on the range. When I got my first set of Golden Rams, I worked on hitting the 2/3/4 irons as much as anything else. Wanted to be able to hit them. Wound up being a better long iron player than short iron player, so maybe I worked on them too much, LOL. But, it can be done.

 

I am in agreement with DeNinny about players CBs. They don't do anything for me at all. If you can hit the center of the clubface reasonably often, you're fine. Shanks and skulled shots are the same with any iron. LOL

 

All that said, you just need to find what works for you. If that's MP-33s all the way to the long irons, go with it. If something else works in the 3 and 4 irons, go with it. I would just caution using the small sample size of a couple rounds as a deciding factor. A bad day, or a good day for that matter, will color your perceptions considerably, and may not give you a true read.

 

(edited for a couple entertaining typos, and there may be more)

[NRJyzr]

Y'all were damn prolific yesterday. I come back to see two pages of posts. LOL

 

Quick update on the shorter swing thing.... had a terrible time keeping the swing shorter with the driver at the start of my round, sprayed the ball all over the place. Wound up losing three balls in the first four holes. The lone saving grace being, one of those was a provisional ball I wound up not needing. Once I got myself sorted out, I was able to hit the ball fairly decently.

 

With the shorter swing, I am hitting the ball lower than I did in the past, especially with irons. Some of this is a conscious effort to hit down on the ball, or perhaps more accurately to feel as though I'm hitting down on the ball. It's making me wonder if I may actually need to use different iron shafts; I've always used DG and now SPB, and looked for the so called low trajectory shafts, but these results make me wonder if I couldn't go with something that moves the ball a bit higher. It's something to think about, anyway.

 

And, my distance is slowly returning, as some of y'all predicted. I was back to hitting my tee shots in the distance range to which I've become accustomed, especially typified by my shots on the south facing downhill #6 and the north facing uphill #7. The tee game distance being in spite of my having just cut down my driver to 43.5".

 

So yeah, full steam ahead. :)

[Nard_S]

Another way of putting it would be, if your body knows where the ball is, it isn't necessary for your eyes to focus on it.

 

I'd say that this is one comment that could be filed to golf's many lessons of truth.

 

A greater truth for me is, if I cannot keep eyes on back of ball from setup to impact, I've done something wrong.

[Jonesy]

A lot of activity here over the weekend! Someone asked how did your last round go, well I played on Saturday and got rained off after 9 which I was pleased with cause it was freezing and I had just shot 40... I'm definitely a fair weather golfer, none of this rain nonsense.

 

Talking about eyes on the golf ball I'll look at the ball from start to impact, then I know I've made a good swing.

 

Quick note I tried the new TP5 ball (not the X) and man was I not impressed... all it wanted to do was go into the clouds which is an absolute no no for me, especially along the coast. I can hit a ball high if need be but standard for me is a nice penetrating medium flight, this ball wouldn't even stay on a medium height even with the punch swing.

 

I haven't tried the X yet but if it wants to get airborne like the standard version then I'm not interested at all, I'll stick with my Z Star XV's.

[sir_templar2]

This thread has me thinking about some blades for my bag this summer :swoon:

[Sir Slicealot]

I eluded to it earlier but I really don't see much need carrying less than a 5 iron for a lot of people and it has nothing to do with blades or cbs.

 

Dude, I carry a 4i to just punch out of tree's or if I need to flight low under obstacles.

 

My name is Nathan, and I can't use a 4i. There. I said it. Off the tee, no problem. Off anything less than a perfect lie, it's a dumpster fire for me. Completely all 100% mental. I'm a "lesser than". Or what I like to call myself "a parking lot poser" with my golf bag :D.

My name isn't Nathan and I love my 3&4 irons. I can't use any iron off the tee. I'm strongly considering returning my 1&2i to the bag or more correctly travel status. My 52° wedge is useless for my game right now. The hybrids are terrible at the local course...fat city. I've got room. I shot my best round ever today...still triple digits, but the thing that sticks with me is the game is slowly getting easier. Shots that were once hoped for are now expected. I'm learning my way comfortably through my bag. I played from a cart today. I hate carts. There is definitely something to be said for the mental calming that comes from walking after your shots. Even the conversation between players is better. I called a few honest pars today and some bogeys. I'm very happy with my MP-4's. The new is wearing off, but the magic is really starting to unfold.

 

You're a freak of nature though slice :). You jumped right into next level irons.

I wouldn't go that far....yet. I am still developing my short game and that is where it all lies. My playing partners are all heckling me about the short game because they are no longer out driving me. My good shots are landing closer than theirs and my bad shots well, let's just say I might be the luckiest sumbeech you've seen in a while. I totally bladed a 60° on a super short par three and the ball was ten feet in the air and screaming over the green. Somehow I ended up with an eight foot chip to be on and lipped the par putt for a bogey. Don't try this at home kids. If I can just get the chipping into solid form I can get the score way down. Putting on these greens is a joke from more than a few feet. You're never gonna get a smooth roll. They jump and bounce like crazy...

[turtsoup]

Boys, i don't know after today about blades in my long irons. Shot even par today and missed 6 putts inside of ten feet but that's another story. 5-p is really good, 3,4 iron not so much. Each time I hit 3,4 iron today it was a huge klank and went about 115 yards. Def cost me 1-2 strokes. Funny thing is, I'm not even mad about the putts because I hit them exactly online and as I wanted. 4 of the 6 lipped out. Just wasn't my day. This may sound ridiculous and apologize if you think so but that was the most disappointing 72 I've ever shot. I've not shot in the 60s but once in my life and it was 10 years ago. Really missed a good chance today and I'm soooooooo bummed about it. Oh and it was in a pro-am tournament as well, ughh. I'm really thinking I need a combo set. Sorry if this is off topic but had to vent somewhere.

 

 

My personal best round was a 73 I shot at my course from our blue tees (par 71, rated 71.4/126). I'd spent the previous 12 months playing Ping Eye2+, and a week or so before, had taken blades out for a spin, for the heck of it. A friend asked me about it, and said something like "you should play those more often, you hit them better than the Pings." Hmmm..... Played one more round with the Pings, which was awful, and dug out my Ram TG-898 blades.

 

I proceeded to have a round exactly as you describe. Hit the ball with crazy precision, relative to my skill level (6 hdcp) at the time. Hit 12 or 13 greens, and missed 6-8 putts inside 10 feet, five of those about 5 or 6 feet. The greens are the main defense of this course, they have a lot of subtle breaks, but I was lipping putts out every few holes. It could have very easily been a 67 if I'd putted as I had the previous weekend, when I'd shot 78.

 

I finished with a birdie on 18 and immediately started complaining about how much lower I could have shot. My friends gave me a lot of crap for that, LOL (as they should have).

 

Turt, a long way of saying.... I feel your pain.

 

As for the long iron thing.... it's completely mental, and I get that too. The only way you're going to get past it is to hit a bunch of 4 irons on the range. When I got my first set of Golden Rams, I worked on hitting the 2/3/4 irons as much as anything else. Wanted to be able to hit them. Wound up being a better long iron player than short iron player, so maybe I worked on them too much, LOL. But, it can be done.

 

I am in agreement with DeNinny about players CBs. They don't do anything for me at all. If you can hit the center of the clubface reasonably often, you're fine. Shanks and skulled shots are the same with any iron. LOL

 

All that said, you just need to find what works for you. If that's MP-33s all the way to the long irons, go with it. If something else works in the 3 and 4 irons, go with it. I would just caution using the small sample size of a couple rounds as a deciding factor. A bad day, or a good day for that matter, will color your perceptions considerably, and may not give you a true read.

 

(edited for a couple entertaining typos, and there may be more)

 

You're very correct. Definitely makes a lot of sense and i will take it to heart. Sorry for the late response

[bodhi555]

On the last round, we had our monthly medal yesterday - managed to go round in 81, for a nett 72 (1 over). Was overall a pretty solid round with 2 birdies and 9 pars, but 4 silly 3 putts put paid to any chance of winning. It seems now in a competition, if I am 10 feet away the putt is going in, if I'm 2 feet away I might as well add another stroke - am really struggling to get the putter through straight on shorter putts, and my love of a heel-shafted putter isn't helping. Still, first comp of the season I've played close to my handicap, so can't be too unhappy I guess.

 

I'm also a great believer in keeping my eye on the ball until I've hot it - simply becuase otherwise I come up out of it, my body gets carried away and the ball is going right.

[Doaner84]

DeNinny, your pornstars have a twin and showing off her goods in the BST. Oh I wish I had the funds right now.

[DeNinny]

DeNinny, your pornstars have a twin and showing off her goods in the BST. Oh I wish I had the funds right now.

 

Heehee Doaner84, my Porn Stars are one of a kind. There are pretenders and lookalikes out there, but only one true set of Porn Stars. And they're MINE.

 

LOL ask the seller if they are available for rent and if they provide a "Girl Friend Experience". Otherwise, best I can do is post more pics.

[Bigmean]

I eluded to it earlier but I really don't see much need carrying less than a 5 iron for a lot of people and it has nothing to do with blades or cbs.

 

Dude, I carry a 4i to just punch out of tree's or if I need to flight low under obstacles.

 

My name is Nathan, and I can't use a 4i. There. I said it. Off the tee, no problem. Off anything less than a perfect lie, it's a dumpster fire for me. Completely all 100% mental. I'm a "lesser than". Or what I like to call myself "a parking lot poser" with my golf bag :D.

 

My 4 iron sees more punch outs than looks, hence my feelings. If your 4 iron is a dumpster fire, Mine is a BBQ on fire, a little more manageable but if I am grabbing it, I am looking at like a 10-15% chance of a gir, again, hence my feelings.

[mahonie]

A lot of activity here over the weekend! Someone asked how did your last round go, well I played on Saturday and got rained off after 9 which I was pleased with cause it was freezing and I had just shot 40... I'm definitely a fair weather golfer, none of this rain nonsense.

 

Talking about eyes on the golf ball I'll look at the ball from start to impact, then I know I've made a good swing.

 

Quick note I tried the new TP5 ball (not the X) and man was I not impressed... all it wanted to do was go into the clouds which is an absolute no no for me, especially along the coast. I can hit a ball high if need be but standard for me is a nice penetrating medium flight, this ball wouldn't even stay on a medium height even with the punch swing.

 

I haven't tried the X yet but if it wants to get airborne like the standard version then I'm not interested at all, I'll stick with my Z Star XV's.

 

I agree on the TP5, particularly the flight. I hit moon balls as standard and the TP5 was going higher than most. The other annoying thing was that it was pretty cut up at the end of the round...although I did blade a bunker shot (or two!).

[Doaner84]

DeNinny, your pornstars have a twin and showing off her goods in the BST. Oh I wish I had the funds right now.

 

Heehee Doaner84, my Porn Stars are one of a kind. There are pretenders and lookalikes out there, but only one true set of Porn Stars. And they're MINE.

 

LOL ask the seller if they are available for rent and if they provide a "Girl Friend Experience". Otherwise, best I can do is post more pics.

I can always look at more pics to truly see the difference. He will probably say no to the geisha request though. hahaha

[NRJyzr]

Quick update on the shorter swing thing....

 

Forgot to add something to the previous post. An interesting side effect of the in-progress swing change is a bump in my partial wedge distances. I do a lot of half, three quarter, and other partial swings inside a full PW, those partial 53 and 58 shots are going 10 or even 15 yrs farther.

 

Funny how things work

[DeNinny]

DeNinny, your pornstars have a twin and showing off her goods in the BST. Oh I wish I had the funds right now.

 

Heehee Doaner84, my Porn Stars are one of a kind. There are pretenders and lookalikes out there, but only one true set of Porn Stars. And they're MINE.

 

LOL ask the seller if they are available for rent and if they provide a "Girl Friend Experience". Otherwise, best I can do is post more pics.

I can always look at more pics to truly see the difference. He will probably say no to the geisha request though. hahaha

 

In all seriousness, have you ever hit them and/or found a Miura fitter/seller out your way in Charleston? He may hook you up with a handjob (LOL by that I mean demo a BB club for a while).

[mahonie]

Quick update on the shorter swing thing....

 

Forgot to add something to the previous post. An interesting side effect of the in-progress swing change is a bump in my partial wedge distances. I do a lot of half, three quarter, and other partial swings inside a full PW, those partial 53 and 58 shots are going 10 or even 15 yrs farther.

 

Funny how things work

 

This reminds me of something Faldo said about distance. Iirc when he was a junior he was trying to hit a 4-iron flat out but not gaining the extra distance that his efforts should have produced. His coach asked him to hit a few balls with a 5-iron but only to 100 yards. Then he got him to hit a few balls to 120 yards, then 140, then 160 and so on. He soon found that he could hit his 5-iron as far as his 4-iron was going but with far less effort just by controlling his tempo and getting a better strike. Seems like you're experiencing something similar.

[Sir edward of putternut]

Quick update on the shorter swing thing....

 

Forgot to add something to the previous post. An interesting side effect of the in-progress swing change is a bump in my partial wedge distances. I do a lot of half, three quarter, and other partial swings inside a full PW, those partial 53 and 58 shots are going 10 or even 15 yrs farther.

 

Funny how things work

 

I very rarely, id say almost never, do a full swing. Why try and launch a 7 when its much easier, and more accurate, to do a soft 6...both bite the green exactly theI same if u put a lil more weight on ur rear foot...if im going past 12 o clock on any swing, its to try and rectify a mistake...however, 2 irons i go about 1 o clock with massive hip turn, and 3 irons i go about to 1 o clock...to me it is the true secret of the game...softer swungs usualky equates to better contact hence u will see no distance loss, most likely distance gain, and u can completely control ur trajecory, accuracy, etc...oh, and u pure the ball more often which equates to more contact orgasms

 

Btw: mp 14s are on the way..im pretty excited after reading so much about them..ill have the 14s, 29s, and 33s to play with. Wondering, since this is the intertoob lair of the mad hatters, which those who have played them prefer. All 3 have s300 shafts...things to keep in mind about my game; the sharper the edge the better (i literally wsnt to put a lightsaber on the leading edge-pls, no physics lessons about how a sith lightsaber is sharper than a jedi lightsaber deninny)