2015-2016 NFL Thread

[highergr0und]

The league just needs to run away from this and let it die..... Front page of ESPN already has an article on how Hardy may try and go to court to reduce his suspension. I imagine there's a lot of shady stuff done in the league that could get out if this gets nasty.

[John L.]

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[quote name='porkpistol' timestamp='1441299775' post='12257640']
The NFL is appealing. I don't think it gets anywhere though.
[/quote]

I thought this initially as well, but reading through the opinion again (and refreshing my memory on the CBA and Fed. Arbit. Act) it seems more and more clear to me that there was no real legal basis for Judge Berman's decision. The case falls under Sec. 46 of the CBA, which essentially gives Goodell unlimited power to issue punishments and provides no guarantees for discovery. Whatever you think of the NFL's punishment, it seems pretty clear that they followed the CBA and the way Berman tried to couch it is not only that the process is fundamentally unfair, but on pgs. 23-25 of the opinion he seems to feel that the substantive punishment is unfair as well...which is wholly outside the scope of what he should be ruling on.
[/quote]

When the process involves ignoring the rights of the individual................ all bet are off. The judge ruled on violations of Brady's rights.......................[b]and that were violated.[/b]

[pbfoot]

[size=4][quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1441308721' post='12258508']
Yes it does fall under section 46. In which it states that the commissioner and the commissioner only decides and hands down punishment. Yet he told Troy Vincent to decide and hand out the punishment. A direct violation of the CBA. And if we based guilt on more likely than not, the NFL wouldn't exist. Why? Because several recently retired players have been quoted as saying 90% of lockerrooms smoke weed and know when drug tests are going to take place. It's more probable than not that players in said lockerrooms know that is true. So let's suspend them.

And while I'm at it, why were the Colts not fined and Andrew Luck suspended? Because they had more balls outside the pressures and outside the ideal gas law based acceptable pressure drop (4 for Colts, 3 for the Pats). It's in the Wells report, have a look. But they lost so, eh, didn't matter... This was a joke from the get go and was never going to hold up.
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[size=4]Maybe you should actually read the CBA, because that is absolutely not what Sec. 46 says. Here is the direct quote: "the Commissioner shall, after consultation with the Executive Director of the NFLPA, appoint one or more designees to serve as hearing officers" and "Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Commissioner may serve as hearing officer in any appeal under Section 1(a)"[/size]

[size=4]I'm not even going to address those other things, this is about Brady not any other potential CBA violations.[/size]

[size=4][quote name='John L.' timestamp='1441310010' post='12258632']
When the process involves ignoring the rights of the individual................ all bet are off. The judge ruled on violations of Brady's rights.......................[b]and that were violated.[/b]
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This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both the law and Judge Berman's opinion. The FAA has no language requiring that an arbitration process be "fair." Furthermore there is no right to due process in arbitral proceedings, assuming the arbitration clause complies with the FAA (which is very broad and deferential). In fact, discovery can be wholly prohibited under the FAA.

[bscinstnct]

Watch 'em go 0-4.

Ha!

I actually haven't been following closely but the whole thing made no sense. Who cares if they deflated the ball?

[RookieBlue7]

[quote name='pbfoot' timestamp='1441311598' post='12258840']
[size=4][quote name='RookieBlue7' timestamp='1441308721' post='12258508']
Yes it does fall under section 46. In which it states that the commissioner and the commissioner only decides and hands down punishment. Yet he told Troy Vincent to decide and hand out the punishment. A direct violation of the CBA. And if we based guilt on more likely than not, the NFL wouldn't exist. Why? Because several recently retired players have been quoted as saying 90% of lockerrooms smoke weed and know when drug tests are going to take place. It's more probable than not that players in said lockerrooms know that is true. So let's suspend them.

And while I'm at it, why were the Colts not fined and Andrew Luck suspended? Because they had more balls outside the pressures and outside the ideal gas law based acceptable pressure drop (4 for Colts, 3 for the Pats). It's in the Wells report, have a look. But they lost so, eh, didn't matter... This was a joke from the get go and was never going to hold up.
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[size=4]Maybe you should actually read the CBA, because that is absolutely not what Sec. 46 says. Here is the direct quote: "the Commissioner shall, after consultation with the Executive Director of the NFLPA, appoint one or more designees to serve as hearing officers" and "Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Commissioner may serve as hearing officer in any appeal under Section 1(a)"[/size]

[size=4]I'm not even going to address those other things, this is about Brady not any other potential CBA violations.[/size]

[size=4][quote name='John L.' timestamp='1441310010' post='12258632']
When the process involves ignoring the rights of the individual................ all bet are off. The judge ruled on violations of Brady's rights.......................[b]and that were violated.[/b]
[/quote][/size]

This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of both the law and Judge Berman's opinion. The FAA has no language requiring that an arbitration process be "fair." Furthermore there is no right to due process in arbitral proceedings, assuming the arbitration clause complies with the FAA (which is very broad and deferential). In fact, discovery can be wholly prohibited under the FAA.
[/quote]

The commissioner never consulted with the NFLPA about anyone not named Roger Goodell hearing the original case or ruling on it. And the judge rules on law, not the contract. But hey, Brady haters are gonna find a way to hate on him and the Pats. More probable than not is not precedent to do anything. Probable cause is not absolute proof. Keep hating on the guy that will be the GOAT when he retires though... Lol.

[pbfoot]

Oh I get it now, clearly it's not worth actually discussing the law with you.

 

[Forged4ever]

Bryant's gonna be ok!!

His Momma's moving up into the place next door

The problem with the Stillers is that with the exception of Harrison and Pouncey, there is zero veteran leadership in that locker room-

We all know about Pouncey and I believe that James is just old, tired and thinkin "WTF, I just gotta Stay healthy and collect a paycheck."

He had 4-5 guys at his back in the locker room-

And that was just on the defense-

Now?

No one....

You got these young knuckleheads doing stupid undisciplined s*** and no one to bounce their asses off of a locker room like James did to Santonio back in the day....

Oh well, it's gonna be a lonnnnng a** season Gents

Fairways & Greens My Friends,
Richard

[Qqq123xx]

The 44 million moooron strikes again. How bout that swiss cheese report. Awesome. Can't wait till next Thursday. And goodell won't be attending. Someone please hand him a box of tissues.

[RIRider]

[quote name='pbfoot' timestamp='1441308326' post='12258454']
[quote name='porkpistol' timestamp='1441299775' post='12257640']
The NFL is appealing. I don't think it gets anywhere though.
[/quote]

I thought this initially as well, but reading through the opinion again (and refreshing my memory on the CBA and Fed. Arbit. Act) it seems more and more clear to me that there was no real legal basis for Judge Berman's decision. The case falls under Sec. 46 of the CBA, which essentially gives Goodell unlimited power to issue punishments and provides no guarantees for discovery. Whatever you think of the NFL's punishment, it seems pretty clear that they followed the CBA and the way Berman tried to couch it is not only that the process is fundamentally unfair, but on pgs. 23-25 of the opinion he seems to feel that the substantive punishment is unfair as well...which is wholly outside the scope of what he should be ruling on.
[/quote]If the CBA had everything so locked down, how did this even end up in a federal court? There's a lot of talk going around about how Goodell had absolute power based on Article 46. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that there must be something in courts that says, maybe Goodell can't have [i]that[/i] much power, otherwise this never would have gotten to this point. If Goodell had absolute power, the courts would have kicked this out.

[pbfoot]

[quote name='RIRider' timestamp='1441372284' post='12262426']
[quote name='pbfoot' timestamp='1441308326' post='12258454']
[quote name='porkpistol' timestamp='1441299775' post='12257640']
The NFL is appealing. I don't think it gets anywhere though.
[/quote]

I thought this initially as well, but reading through the opinion again (and refreshing my memory on the CBA and Fed. Arbit. Act) it seems more and more clear to me that there was no real legal basis for Judge Berman's decision. The case falls under Sec. 46 of the CBA, which essentially gives Goodell unlimited power to issue punishments and provides no guarantees for discovery. Whatever you think of the NFL's punishment, it seems pretty clear that they followed the CBA and the way Berman tried to couch it is not only that the process is fundamentally unfair, but on pgs. 23-25 of the opinion he seems to feel that the substantive punishment is unfair as well...which is wholly outside the scope of what he should be ruling on.
[/quote]If the CBA had everything so locked down, how did this even end up in a federal court? There's a lot of talk going around about how Goodell had absolute power based on Article 46. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that there must be something in courts that says, maybe Goodell can't have [i]that[/i] much power, otherwise this never would have gotten to this point. If Goodell had absolute power, the courts would have kicked this out.
[/quote]

Anyone can challenge a contract in court, but typically judges are loathe to mess with proper contracts. That's why the ruling is a problem because there is nothing that legally prohibits the CBA provisions. Judge Berman's entire ruling was based essentially on the NFL not following it's own policies, when it appears that they did in fact follow those policies. That is my exact argument...that the courts should have declined to hear the case, and why I'd put money on the NFL winning on appeal.

[dan360]

It was only a matter of time before Cris Carter did this to himself. They gave him enough microphone time that eventually his true character would come out.

The guy was a first rate piece of trash on and off the field for most of his entire playing career, and still is a jack wagon. Glad to hear him shove his foot down his throat.

[Malvern]

49ers and anyone who cares to comment. Massive news out here with our man Jarryd Hayne making the roster in San Fran. From the press we get out here, I am expecting him to score a few touch downs, win a Super Bowl MVP and announce his candicy for President such is the impact he has "made".

It is a massive achievement to go from one sport to another at such an elite level, after seeing the photo a few pages earlier of his teammates, is he up to it, does he have different skills.

What's the prognosis at this stage.

[One_Putt_Blunder]

Malvern love the post haha

Prob see him primarily on kick/punt return duty maybe some short yardage situations. While the raw skill set is there takes a while to learn all the other stuff like blitz pickups etc.

I'm glad he made the 53 certainly is a refreshing story coming out of SF for a change.

[NV825]

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Malvern love the post haha

Prob see him primarily on kick/punt return duty maybe some short yardage situations. While the raw skill set is there takes a while to learn all the other stuff like blitz pickups etc.

I'm glad he made the 53 certainly is a refreshing story coming out of SF for a change.
[/quote]

This just in, Jarryd Hayne unexpectedly retires from the 49ers to take up botany.

[bubbagump]

All aboard the Hayne Train!

He was so fun to watch in the preseason, and can't wait to watch him return punts and on special teams. Excited to see him continue to develop skills and what he can turn into.

[Malvern]

[quote name='bubbagump' timestamp='1441628422' post='12275014']
All aboard the Haynes Train!

He was so fun to watch in the preseason, and can't wait to watch him return punts and on special teams. Excited to see him continue to develop skills and what he can turn into.
[/quote]

You better get on the Hayne Plane, standing room only on the train/bandwagon.

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[bubbagump]

Monday Night home opener, black jerseys, opening kickoff…..I want to see this

 

[highergr0und]

Lol. Got to give it to the niners fans that they needed something positive to come out of this crap offseason!!

I hope he makes a difference, although there are a lot of guys in the league that would absolutely destroy him if he tried that upright knockdown move.

[Arizonalefty59]

Best of luck to everyone's favorite team this year.

NFL football is officially back!

I am still the happiest person alive because of last years Super Bowl, so I can't be mad at the outcome this season for the Pats. Last years championship was the 2nd most meaningful championship for me, right behind the 04' Sox.

[The7thLetter]

On to the next one...need that 5th ring!

[Qqq123xx]

[quote name='The7thLetter' timestamp='1441915556' post='12295174']
On to the next one...need that 5th ring!
[/quote]I wholeheartedly concur.

[RJRJRJ]

[BubbaBeene]

Go Broncos!

[bscinstnct]

Steeler vs the Cheaters

; )

Steelers getting interference in their headsets. Rofl.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1441933087' post='12296702']Steeler vs the Cheaters

; )

Steelers getting interference in their headsets. Rofl.[/quote]

Does it surprise you? I love Tomlin, probably one of the best in the NFL and I absolutely love how eloquent he was..."it happens everytime"

[toddnt]

Did Pitt know there was a game tonite!

[The7thLetter]

Yes, tell me more about the headsets! That had to be the culprit, not the fact that a middle-aged couch potato could have gotten open against the Steelers secondary last night, right?

Another W for the Pats and another desperate excuse from the losing squad. I thought Tomlin and the Steelers were better than that...oh well, on to Buffalo.

[RIRider]

[quote name='therealjonzone' timestamp='1441947801' post='12297866']
[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1441933087' post='12296702']Steeler vs the Cheaters

; )

Steelers getting interference in their headsets. Rofl.[/quote]

Does it surprise you? I love Tomlin, probably one of the best in the NFL and I absolutely love how eloquent he was..."it happens everytime"
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the NFL is in charge of headsets at the games, not the home team, which really shouldn't surprised anybody based on how badly the NFL has handled anything recently.

[porkpistol]

It is funny though, I have seen on Twitter there are other reports now of people having "headset" or "communication" issues at Gillette. The Pats have a long rap sheet of crap, stuff like this keeps happening it will always be looked at the wrong way even if it was just faulty equipment. I read though too, that if one teams communications were down they were suppose to take the other teams down until it was resolved, and apparently that didn't happen quick enough.

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[quote name='therealjonzone' timestamp='1441947801' post='12297866']
[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1441933087' post='12296702']Steeler vs the Cheaters

; )

Steelers getting interference in their headsets. Rofl.[/quote]

Does it surprise you? I love Tomlin, probably one of the best in the NFL and I absolutely love how eloquent he was..."it happens everytime"
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the NFL is in charge of headsets at the games, not the home team, which really shouldn't surprised anybody based on how badly the NFL has handled anything recently.
[/quote]

Wouldn't you rather them be handled by a neutral hand?

[Qqq123xx]

[quote name='bscinstnct' timestamp='1441933087' post='12296702']
Steeler vs the Cheaters

; )

Steelers getting interference in their headsets. Rofl.
[/quote]Same thing happened to the Pats. Not that that is important for your hate or anything. And btw the NFL controls the headsets and they already owned up to it being their fault. I know facts are not important.