Best putter if you "cut" your putts?

[TerranceOSU]

So, I have a pretty repeatable and seemingly natural slice stroke. I realize it's not the best thing, but I seem to be consistently outside to inside on my stroke...ala Billy Mayfair.

 

If I want to neutralize this, do I go more with a face balanced or heel-shafted putter?

 

I can see the face balanced getting my stroke a little more square to square, but then again I can also see a heel shafted putter working to make my stroke a little more gate like.

 

I guess what I'm saying is I'm confused on what would be best?

[cz13X4]

I love a heel shafted blade to help with the same issue..

[PDoN]

I'm not sure if there's an answer here. I used to come a little outside to in, and it worked pretty well. That is, until I had a short putt under pressure and the pulls would creep in. I ended up changing my stroke. With that said, before I started changing my stroke, face balanced seemed to give the best results.

[Hot Rod 71]

A good friend is a cutter - more than Billy Mayfair ever was.

He plays a Scotty Cameron Newport 2.5 and does quite well with it.

[Mikey Town]

You could go both ways to minimize the "cut putt" and they are specific to the player.

If you go with something heel shafted, with more toe hang, it will promote opening and closing the putter more. This could help you close the face more easily, square the face, and get rid of that cut spin. The problem is that you won't be closing the face relative to the target line. You will be closing the face relative to the path. While the face may now be square to the path, your path is still pointed left (if you are right handed) to the target line. This could result in more pulled putts.

I would suggest going with a face balanced mallet style putter, instead. The face balance will promote a more straight back, straight through stroke. While a balde would work, a mallet would be even better. I recently experamented with an Odyssey #7. With a larger putter head like that, it's very easy to tell if your stroke is going crooked. It's just more mass for your eye to focus on. In turn, the imperfections will be exaggerated. Also, if you don't keep that face square, and the putter starts opening and closing, that huge head will be twisting right along with it. When that starts to happen, it's almost hard not to see it happen.

Hope that helps.


Cheers,

Mike

[jwalaballa]

I would probably think about changing your stroke. If you are repeatable with a cut stroke you can be repeatable with a neutral or draw stroke, and draw strokes are much more common on tour than cut strokes. I'd suggest keeping your back elbow attached to your rib cage and stroke the putter with your big muscles. Keeping the elbow attached should pull the putter to the inside on the way back which puts you in a good position to keep the putter head moving down the line thru and after impact.

[ZBigStick]

I too haven't solved the "Mayfair", but I have a really tough time detecting it. It doesn't occur in my practice stroke.

I have found the most success with a near-face balanced putter.

[MrTmag]

[quote name='Mikey Town' timestamp='1427423486' post='11224895']
You could go both ways to minimize the "cut putt" and they are specific to the player.

If you go with something heel shafted, with more toe hang, it will promote opening and closing the putter more. This could help you close the face more easily, square the face, and get rid of that cut spin. The problem is that you won't be closing the face relative to the target line. You will be closing the face relative to the path. While the face may now be square to the path, your path is still pointed left (if you are right handed) to the target line. This could result in more pulled putts.

I would suggest going with a face balanced mallet style putter, instead. The face balance will promote a more straight back, straight through stroke. While a balde would work, a mallet would be even better. I recently experamented with an Odyssey #7. With a larger putter head like that, it's very easy to tell if your stroke is going crooked. It's just more mass for your eye to focus on. In turn, the imperfections will be exaggerated. Also, if you don't keep that face square, and the putter starts opening and closing, that huge head will be twisting right along with it. When that starts to happen, it's almost hard not to see it happen.

Hope that helps.


Cheers,

Mike
[/quote]
One of the most informative post ive read on here! I too have a cut stroke and I've wondered why I square the face up and it still goes right. Thanks to your post I understand why now. Much appreciated my friend!

[TerranceOSU]

Thanks for all the feedback. I think the consensus is that it could go either way. I think that's why I've been somewhat confused to this point on what would be the best approach.

[PDoN]

[quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427461383' post='11226415']Thanks for all the feedback. I think the consensus is that it could go either way. I think that's why I've been somewhat confused to this point on what would be the best approach.[/quote]

Like I said above, I'm not sure there's an answer. For me, I could never get consistent until I changed my stroke. I'm not saying YOU can't be consistent, just relaying my experience. Good luck in whatever you decide.

[TPDawnPatrol]

[quote name='czastrow' timestamp='1427422032' post='11224701']
I love a heel shafted blade to help with the same issue..
[/quote]

How ironic, use a blade to cut something lol.

My brother in law has a cut stroke and is deadly with a heel shafted blade, an old T-Line IV. I imagine if it had something other than a smooth face he could even get the ball to go around corners in mini-golf.

[myspinonit]

I used to be a big cut putter and still can do it sometimes if I'm not careful. I went to a face-balanced centre shafted putter design several years ago. That with a "saw" putting grip and I'm generally a much better putter than I've been for many years.

But still not as good as I think I was when I first started playing. That was before I knew any better and I guess once I heard that putting was difficult, it was.

[ppl4golf]

No question for me...heel shafted like #9. Ansers work also.

Where was that thread a member asked his pro opinion on face balanced or center shafted putter and pro asked him if any of his other clubs (like his irons) were center shafted or face balanced.

[Swashbuckler]

Is this topic for real?

[Swashbuckler]

[quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427421715' post='11224655']
So, I have a pretty repeatable and seemingly natural slice stroke. I realize it's not the best thing, but I seem to be consistently outside to inside on my stroke...ala Billy Mayfair.

If I want to neutralize this, do I go more with a face balanced or heel-shafted putter?

I can see the face balanced getting my stroke a little more square to square, but then again I can also see a heel shafted putter working to make my stroke a little more gate like.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm confused on what would be best?
[/quote]

so you are asking for a putter.....

...because your stroke constantly cuts across the ball, producing sidespin away from the target line...

seriously, you're asking if there is a putter you can buy to help this? I'm almost laughing more at the replies prescribing equipment..

[u]its physics..[/u] no different than a full swing.

honestly, stop sweating over equipment...."what is best" is to fix your stroke,[b] you can do it man.[/b]

posts like this make me understand why marketing and golf companies are filthy rich..

.

[sailfishchris]

I had a cut stroke when I first started playing and was fit into a heel shafted Odyssey. It worked for a while, but I hated the look of the putter at address. I finally took lessons to "straighten" my stroke out. I still practice weekly with a Dream 54 to maintain the stroke.

[Dave D]

you want a seemore, the only putter that's face balanced AT IMPACT.

as this video shows even if you loop your stroke the club wants to be square at impact

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIDduXCJV0"]https://www.youtube....h?v=GjIDduXCJV0[/url]

[dlygrisse]

The path of the putter has a minimal influence on the direction of your putt, what determines the direction of your putts is where the face is pointing at impact. Find a putter that looks good, and feels good to you, most importantly find a putter that you aim well and that you find easy to get the ball started on the line you intend to start it on. This whole face balanced vs. heel shafted debate is mostly marketing by the OEM's.

[Gator5]

I would recommend seeing a club fitter to determine proper length and where your eyes are over the ball. I find that putters that are too short or too light head weight tend to start back going outside then cutting across for me.

[nosil]

Can I ask how you know you have an out to in stroke? Is the club going outside the target line on the back swing or is the ball going left at impact?

Most people have a bias to the left or right with their putting stroke. Here is a puttlab report for a pretty good putter you may have heard of that has a left biased stroke and aims closed at setup: [url="http://www.samsports.us/PuttLab%20Data/LorenRoberts.pdf"]http://www.samsports.us/PuttLab%20Data/LorenRoberts.pdf[/url]. I think his nickname is something like "boss of the moss" because of how good of a putter he is.

if you are hitting your intended putting line then don't do anything. If you are missing left (or right), you have 2 choices. You can change your putting stroke/setup to change the putters path, or you can change your putter to have the putter face be at the correct angle at impact.

[ZBigStick]

[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427513093' post='11232349'][quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427421715' post='11224655']
So, I have a pretty repeatable and seemingly natural slice stroke. I realize it's not the best thing, but I seem to be consistently outside to inside on my stroke...ala Billy Mayfair.

If I want to neutralize this, do I go more with a face balanced or heel-shafted putter?

I can see the face balanced getting my stroke a little more square to square, but then again I can also see a heel shafted putter working to make my stroke a little more gate like.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm confused on what would be best?
[/quote]

so you are asking for a putter.....

...because your stroke constantly cuts across the ball, producing sidespin away from the target line...

seriously, you're asking if there is a putter you can buy to help this? I'm almost laughing more at the replies prescribing equipment..

[u]its physics..[/u] no different than a full swing.

honestly, stop sweating over equipment...."what is best" is to fix your stroke,[b] you can do it man.[/b]

posts like this make me understand why marketing and golf companies are filthy rich..

.[/quote]

Read post #18.

That's physics. A putter does not work like a pool cue.

[Swashbuckler]

Elite putters purposely use cut spin on occasion..

Cutting across the ball outside the intended target line even striking a square putter face creates the "cut spin".......It's similar to a slice for a full swing. No putter can fix it.. It's physics AND geometry. It's that simple.

You may as well wear a magnetic bracelet to help it...

[jwalaballa]

The effect of "cut spin" or "draw spin" on a putt is almost zero.

[TPDawnPatrol]

[quote name='ZBigStick' timestamp='1427565430' post='11234955']
[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427513093' post='11232349'][quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427421715' post='11224655']
So, I have a pretty repeatable and seemingly natural slice stroke. I realize it's not the best thing, but I seem to be consistently outside to inside on my stroke...ala Billy Mayfair.

If I want to neutralize this, do I go more with a face balanced or heel-shafted putter?

I can see the face balanced getting my stroke a little more square to square, but then again I can also see a heel shafted putter working to make my stroke a little more gate like.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm confused on what would be best?
[/quote]

so you are asking for a putter.....

...because your stroke constantly cuts across the ball, producing sidespin away from the target line...

seriously, you're asking if there is a putter you can buy to help this? I'm almost laughing more at the replies prescribing equipment..

[u]its physics..[/u] no different than a full swing.

honestly, stop sweating over equipment...."what is best" is to fix your stroke,[b] you can do it man.[/b]

posts like this make me understand why marketing and golf companies are filthy rich..

.[/quote]

Read post #18.

That's physics. A putter does not work like a pool cue.
[/quote]

Darn, I was going to advise using some of that blue chalk....

[jwalaballa]

[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427573501' post='11235511']
Elite putters purposely use cut spin on occasion..

Cutting across the ball outside the intended target line even striking a square putter face creates the "cut spin".......It's similar to a slice for a full swing. No putter can fix it.. It's physics AND geometry. It's that simple.

You may as well wear a magnetic bracelet to help it...
[/quote]

All due respect, this is hogwash. The ball is not traveling thru the air. As soon as the ball hits the grass after impact friction takes over.

[Swashbuckler]

[quote name='jwalaballa' timestamp='1427574788' post='11235599']
[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427573501' post='11235511']
Elite putters purposely use cut spin on occasion..

Cutting across the ball outside the intended target line even striking a square putter face creates the "cut spin".......It's similar to a slice for a full swing. No putter can fix it.. It's physics AND geometry. It's that simple.

You may as well wear a magnetic bracelet to help it...
[/quote]

All due respect, this is hogwash. The ball is not traveling thru the air. As soon as the ball hits the grass after impact friction takes over.
[/quote]

You're in dreamland and have no clue what puting a cut spin on the ball with a putter is. You're embarrassing yourself... With all due respect.

Hope this helps because you're struggling to understand...

http://www.quinticballroll.com/Quintic_Ball_Roll_Cut_spin.html

[nosil]

[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427585976' post='11236677']

You're in dreamland and have no clue what puting a cut spin on the ball with a putter is. You're embarrassing yourself... With all due respect.

Hope this helps because you're struggling to understand...

[url="http://www.quinticballroll.com/Quintic_Ball_Roll_Cut_spin.html"]http://www.quinticba...l_Cut_spin.html[/url]
[/quote]

You can't put enough cut spin on a putt to impact the roll. Any left or right spin is eliminated by the friction from the green.

[Swashbuckler]

[quote name='nosil' timestamp='1427588590' post='11236987']
[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427585976' post='11236677']
You're in dreamland and have no clue what puting a cut spin on the ball with a putter is. You're embarrassing yourself... With all due respect.

Hope this helps because you're struggling to understand...

[url="http://www.quinticballroll.com/Quintic_Ball_Roll_Cut_spin.html"]http://www.quinticba...l_Cut_spin.html[/url]
[/quote]

You can't put enough cut spin on a putt to impact the roll. Any left or right spin is eliminated by the friction from the green.
[/quote]

[quote]For a right to left putt too much cut spin will reduce the effect of the slope, for a left to right breaking putt too much cut spin will increase the break on the putt. A combination of the putter path, face angle, impact location, negative attack angle and the model of putter all contributed towards the high amount of cut spin. Side spin values of greater than 20 degrees can cause the ball to miss the hole from 8ft (especially will a high launch angle). Notice the negative attack angle and the +ve lie angle change in the example below (heel of the putter is higher than at address)

Common causes of too much cut spin[list]
[*]an outside to inside putting stroke
[*]an open putter face at impact
[*]striking the putt out of the ‘heel’
[*]putter with lie angle too low (heel high)
[/list]
[/quote]


Are you at patrick henry mall on your phone conjuring this up, or had too many at Cheddar's? I'm dying laughing.

Youre right, go find a putter to fix your stroke that cuts across the ball.. is that link broken? I'm out of this goofy thread. have fun

[SUITS]

Buy a bag of tees and make a tee runway on either side of your putter with a tad to spare and practice everyday,
I do this in the house every night for about 15 minutes with one hand using DVD cases , you will be amazed with the results and the easy smoth stroke you will create . YOU CAN FIX YOUR STROKE WITH PRACTICE. Go for it and happy rolling

[nosil]

[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427588883' post='11237003']
You're right, go find a putter to fix your stroke that cuts across the ball.. is that link broken? I'm out of this goofy thread. have fun
[/quote]

That link is just as much marketing hype as you claim the manufacturers use. Puttlab reports show the same stroke can produce different results when switching putters.