Best putter if you "cut" your putts?

[Swashbuckler]

[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427589173' post='11237025']
Buy a bag of tees and make a tee runway on either side of your putter with a tad to spare and practice everyday,
I do this in the house every night for about 15 minutes with one hand using DVD cases , you will be amazed with the results and the easy smoth stroke you will create . YOU CAN FIX YOUR STROKE WITH PRACTICE. Go for it and happy rolling
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Agree.

You're talking too much sense in this goofy thread.


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[SUITS]

[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427594960' post='11237579']
[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427589173' post='11237025']
Buy a bag of tees and make a tee runway on either side of your putter with a tad to spare and practice everyday,
I do this in the house every night for about 15 minutes with one hand using DVD cases , you will be amazed with the results and the easy smoth stroke you will create . YOU CAN FIX YOUR STROKE WITH PRACTICE. Go for it and happy rolling
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Agree.

You're taking too much sense in this goofy thread.
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I mean lessssssssssssbehonest, the WRX way isn't to practice , it's to purchase haha. I should prob just buy more clubs and forget this silly practicing and drills thing

[Swashbuckler]

[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427595208' post='11237595']
[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427594960' post='11237579']
[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427589173' post='11237025']
Buy a bag of tees and make a tee runway on either side of your putter with a tad to spare and practice everyday,
I do this in the house every night for about 15 minutes with one hand using DVD cases , you will be amazed with the results and the easy smoth stroke you will create . YOU CAN FIX YOUR STROKE WITH PRACTICE. Go for it and happy rolling
[/quote]

Agree.

You're taking too much sense in this goofy thread.
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I mean lessssssssssssbehonest, the WRX way isn't to practice , it's to purchase haha. I should prob just buy more clubs and forget this silly practicing and drills thing
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I love it. Now we're having some fun

[nosil]

[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427589173' post='11237025']
Buy a bag of tees and make a tee runway on either side of your putter with a tad to spare and practice everyday,
I do this in the house every night for about 15 minutes with one hand using DVD cases , you will be amazed with the results and the easy smoth stroke you will create . YOU CAN FIX YOUR STROKE WITH PRACTICE. Go for it and happy rolling
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Next thing you will be telling me is that I should be putting SBST and putting strokes don't arc.


I am still waiting for the OP to say why he wants to change is his putter or his stroke. Practice is definitely important, If you swing the putter through the tees/DVD cases but leave the face open or closed, does that result in improvement? Or if the OP starts manipulating his stroke, will he be able to maintain that manipulation under pressure?

[SUITS]

[quote name='nosil' timestamp='1427597275' post='11237715']
[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427589173' post='11237025']
Buy a bag of tees and make a tee runway on either side of your putter with a tad to spare and practice everyday,
I do this in the house every night for about 15 minutes with one hand using DVD cases , you will be amazed with the results and the easy smoth stroke you will create . YOU CAN FIX YOUR STROKE WITH PRACTICE. Go for it and happy rolling
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Next thing you will be telling me is that I should be putting SBST and putting strokes don't arc.


I am still waiting for the OP to say why he wants to change is his putter or his stroke. Practice is definitely important, If you swing the putter through the tees/DVD cases but leave the face open or closed, does that result in improvement? Or if the OP starts manipulating his stroke, will he be able to maintain that manipulation under pressure?
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Open and closed could 100% be an issue when practicing, SBST is easier to maintain with practice in my experience. with any kind of swing change it will take hundreds if not thousands to knock out the old muscle memory. It's so easy to fall back into something old when you are playing and not seeing fast results with a new stroke. I guess the OP should decide on whether he is tied to the cut or not, then decide whether he thinks it's possible to replicate that stroke consistently and accurately with his current setup (putter head and grip)

I could be thinking too hard but tech, wouldn't the cut stroke just be a variant of the SBST? The putter is moving in a straight line , it just happens to be at an angle to the target lines 90 degree. He could set the tees up in his cut path. I'm prob looking too far into it but is a thought

[jwalaballa]

[quote name='Swashbuckler' timestamp='1427573501' post='11235511']
Elite putters purposely use cut spin on occasion..
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I would LOVE to hear more about elite putters using cut spin occasionally.......

[Hot Rod 71]

From time to time my group will play a two-man team match with "stymies" on the green (you don't touch your ball until you hole out, and the person away always putts first). Its a fun game.

Anyway, I've had several 2 and 3 foot putts to win with an opponent's ball right in my line. I've been able to cut or draw the putt enough to get around my opponent's ball and into the hole. I'm talking a 2" or 3" range of movement, and not much more.

It is possible, very possible to put enough spin on a putt to influence its path.

Anyone who believes differently should go out and try it. You might be surprised.

[Jaygolf37]

Michael Breed would be most disappointed with this discussion...

[smoky25]

I got fitted recently at Bettinardi. My putter was a Rife Aruba midslant at 35", 330-340g head weight (not sure), 4:00 toe hang, with a standard Lamkin putter grip. The SAM showed I had about 5* cut path compensated by face angle. All he did was put me in a BB1 counterbalance at 39" with a Superstroke 2.0 XL grip and I went to less than 1* cut stroke. No swing change - just a different putter. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. YMMV.

[TerranceOSU]

To answer some questions posed above, I know my tendency is to cut because my putter usually finishes left of the target line and have a strong tendency to catch the putts near the toe.

I'm a 4 handicap and can and DO practice putting/working on various drills. I have a mirror to make sure my eyes are lined up properly. I use the tee drill, and more times than not, always catch the inside tee. It's just a natural cut stroke and for not practicing daily, I will live with it.

The whole purpose of this thread is simply to ask about what types of putters help to mitigate this...heel or face balanced, or something else all together. I realize there is no magic fix other than hours and hours of practice. However, there are clubs that are best suited for individual tendencies...i.e offset driver for a slicer, high bounce wedges for steep AOA, etc, etc.

[Jaygolf37]

I would bet the house that you have a ball position issue, albeit a small one since you play to a 4. A quarter inch is all I'm thinking. And nearly all strokes finish inside the line. You may experiment with a different grip a bit too.

As far as equipment goes, if it is your desire to feel where the toe crosses the heel during the stroke, then find a putter with more weight there...like a Napa or #9. If you want something to minimize this feel, then go more "face balanced" in design.

[jwalaballa]

[quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427642174' post='11239489']
To answer some questions posed above, I know my tendency is to cut because my putter usually finishes left of the target line and have a strong tendency to catch the putts near the toe.

I'm a 4 handicap and can and DO practice putting/working on various drills. I have a mirror to make sure my eyes are lined up properly. I use the tee drill, and more times than not, always catch the inside tee. It's just a natural cut stroke and for not practicing daily, I will live with it.

The whole purpose of this thread is simply to ask about what types of putters help to mitigate this...heel or face balanced, or something else all together. I realize there is no magic fix other than hours and hours of practice. However, there are clubs that are best suited for individual tendencies...i.e offset driver for a slicer, high bounce wedges for steep AOA, etc, etc.
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Should we bring gear effect into this discussion? If you're catching putts off the toe then that has the potential of canceling out any cut spin you may be applying to the ball.

[ZBigStick]

[quote name='jwalaballa' timestamp='1427653470' post='11240299'][quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427642174' post='11239489']
To answer some questions posed above, I know my tendency is to cut because my putter usually finishes left of the target line and have a strong tendency to catch the putts near the toe.

I'm a 4 handicap and can and DO practice putting/working on various drills. I have a mirror to make sure my eyes are lined up properly. I use the tee drill, and more times than not, always catch the inside tee. It's just a natural cut stroke and for not practicing daily, I will live with it.

The whole purpose of this thread is simply to ask about what types of putters help to mitigate this...heel or face balanced, or something else all together. I realize there is no magic fix other than hours and hours of practice. However, there are clubs that are best suited for individual tendencies...i.e offset driver for a slicer, high bounce wedges for steep AOA, etc, etc.
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Should we bring gear effect into this discussion? If you're catching putts off the toe then that has the potential of canceling out any cut spin you may be applying to the ball.[/quote]

Gear Effect? I believe you would need bulge and roll to achieve that. A putter face is flat.

[jwalaballa]

[quote name='ZBigStick' timestamp='1427666222' post='11241245']
[quote name='jwalaballa' timestamp='1427653470' post='11240299'][quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427642174' post='11239489']
To answer some questions posed above, I know my tendency is to cut because my putter usually finishes left of the target line and have a strong tendency to catch the putts near the toe.

I'm a 4 handicap and can and DO practice putting/working on various drills. I have a mirror to make sure my eyes are lined up properly. I use the tee drill, and more times than not, always catch the inside tee. It's just a natural cut stroke and for not practicing daily, I will live with it.

The whole purpose of this thread is simply to ask about what types of putters help to mitigate this...heel or face balanced, or something else all together. I realize there is no magic fix other than hours and hours of practice. However, there are clubs that are best suited for individual tendencies...i.e offset driver for a slicer, high bounce wedges for steep AOA, etc, etc.
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Should we bring gear effect into this discussion? If you're catching putts off the toe then that has the potential of canceling out any cut spin you may be applying to the ball.[/quote]

Gear Effect? I believe you would need bulge and roll to achieve that. A putter face is flat.
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Nope. Gear effect is the rotation of the club head. Bulge and roll are design features of driver/fairway/hybrids that compensate for the spin caused by gear effect.

[SUITS]

If you are playing a 4 I would keep right on keeping on haha.

[nosil]

[quote name='SUITS' timestamp='1427598327' post='11237767']
I could be thinking too hard but tech, wouldn't the cut stroke just be a variant of the SBST? The putter is moving in a straight line , it just happens to be at an angle to the target lines 90 degree. He could set the tees up in his cut path. I'm prob looking too far into it but is a thought
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I don't believe that it is possible to have a stroke that truely goes SBST without some sort of manipulation or a putter that has a 90* lie angle. I consider SBST to mean that the putter remains perpendicular to the target line. Rotation of the putter is a completely different topic.

My stroke goes left largely because my shoulders are open during the stroke. I do this to help see the line better. Because of the left bias, my stroke appears to go straight back, but because of the arc it goes inside on the follow through.

[nosil]

[quote name='jwalaballa' timestamp='1427671350' post='11241807']
Nope. Gear effect is the rotation of the club head. Bulge and roll are design features of driver/fairway/hybrids that compensate for the spin caused by gear effect.
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CoG and the ball are too close together for and significant gear effect with a putter.

[nosil]

[quote name='TerranceOSU' timestamp='1427642174' post='11239489']
To answer some questions posed above, I know my tendency is to cut because my putter usually finishes left of the target line and have a strong tendency to catch the putts near the toe.

The whole purpose of this thread is simply to ask about what types of putters help to mitigate this...heel or face balanced, or something else all together. I realize there is no magic fix other than hours and hours of practice. However, there are clubs that are best suited for individual tendencies...i.e offset driver for a slicer, high bounce wedges for steep AOA, etc, etc.
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Arc'd strokes finish left of the target line, but I will assume you mean way inside the target line.

I think putter design is more about adjusting rotation than stroke path. Offset, weight, CoG, hosel position in putters will have more of an impact in rotation. Finding the correct rotation for your stroke is why you should try different putter designs. If you want to make a stroke/setup change, you can easily shift the path to the right. Close your shoulders or use your right arm to power the putter.

[jwalaballa]

[quote name='nosil' timestamp='1427676442' post='11242325']
[quote name='jwalaballa' timestamp='1427671350' post='11241807']
Nope. Gear effect is the rotation of the club head. Bulge and roll are design features of driver/fairway/hybrids that compensate for the spin caused by gear effect.
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CoG and the ball are too close together for and significant gear effect with a putter.
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I agree, but in a discussion that has included intentionally cut spinning putts into the hole I figured it was worth a mention.

[orr444]

Would LAB work for a cut stroke? Felt good at pga store

[StoutKing]

2 hours ago, orr444 said:

Would LAB work for a cut stroke? Felt good at pga store

LAB have consistent ball speed from across the face.  I'm not sure if it works well with a cut stroke.  Just gotta test one I think

[orr444]

50 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

LAB have consistent ball speed from across the face.  I'm not sure if it works well with a cut stroke.  Just gotta test one I think

That what I figured. Sure feels good

[J-Walker]

I have putted with a cut spin forever and switched to a LAB DF3 this season. It has helped me correct my swing path as it is very easy to see and feel when I start cutting across the ball instead swinging with a proper arc. It is also very forgiving when my cut stroke shows up. 

Edited July 25 by J-Walker