Please Ping!

[Golfdoctor]

I wish the G30 Tour's would be made out of 431 SS, if the G30 Tour is in fact coming out. They would be in my bag in a heart beat. When is Ping's next release? They haven't released a new iron since last August (G30).

[NoTalentLefty]

Always loved the feel of 17-4 over any other material.

[ajschn06]

This is ridiculous. Ping could write 431 stainless on their 17-4 S55's and you guys would be all, "Oh my god they feel so much better." It makes no difference....

[setter02]

[quote name='bladehunter' timestamp='1428451154' post='11307089']
[quote name='setter02' timestamp='1428434549' post='11305145']
All I can say is I hope Ping doesn't read anything from people on a golf forum on what they should make because they would buy it. Case in point is the last two price point flops in the Rapture fairway and forged irons. Oh the forged irons that Ping just has to make because they don't make them...
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not that again....Ping is its own worst enemy when it comes to forged irons... its almost like a self fulfilling doomsday prophecy... they say "a ping forged iron wont sell" then they decide to make one and its as ugly as possible (my opinion of course) and price point is a good bit higher than some better forged irons out there...and then say "see I told you a ping forged iron wont sell" really????? a forged S55...that's what they should have made... end of story... and at a price that compared to mizuno and titleist ...guess what it WOULD sell!! to Ping faithful and new converts....
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Ahahahaha. The point was made that IF PING MADE A FORGED IRON PEOPLE WOULD BUY THEM. Now the excuses come out about price point and other jibberish. If people really wanted them, they would have bought them. Now please keep your excuses to yourself because the market clearly dictates for Ping to not listen to a bloody word typed by people wanting them to bring a product to market, adn then not support it and make excuses to why they didn't purchase it.

But I guess they should go against their beliefs and make the softest steel, completely unengeinered like appearence iron they can, at a price point that competes with all others, so an extremely small number of golfers... its like McD's failed Pizza experiment or listneing to a rich celeb (with no actual talent) for financial advice.

[Titleist_242]

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[quote name='cliffhanger' timestamp='1428426035' post='11303763']
cast blades... sad
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What would make you say something like this? I've spent a lot of time with both S56 and X-forged (with the same PXi shaft you've got in yours). Make no mistake, the S56 feels better, and is both more forgiving and more playable than the X forged. Doesn't matter if it's forged or cast - quality is quality. In fact, and you asked for this, I would say that the Cally X-forged is by far the [i]worst[/i] feeling forged club I've ever tried, although I believe that is down to the awful PXi shaft which no one seems to like. I didn't like them enough to bother reshafting. I traded them for a set of S56s, which have become my "Florida set." BTW, my bases for comparison are MP-32 and Hogan Apex '88 and '99 - my primary gamers for the past 25+ years, so don't presume to think I don't know what a blade feels like.

Flame out.
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you guys can keep flaming each other but I think majority would argue your statement about S56 feeling better than x-forged,,

granted it's all subjective and they're both excellent clubs,, x-forged felt pretty damn good to me.

[NSCohen17]

[quote name='Titleist_242' timestamp='1429909127' post='11435343']
[quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1428427744' post='11304037']
[quote name='cliffhanger' timestamp='1428426035' post='11303763']
cast blades... sad
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What would make you say something like this? I've spent a lot of time with both S56 and X-forged (with the same PXi shaft you've got in yours). Make no mistake, the S56 feels better, and is both more forgiving and more playable than the X forged. Doesn't matter if it's forged or cast - quality is quality. In fact, and you asked for this, I would say that the Cally X-forged is by far the [i]worst[/i] feeling forged club I've ever tried, although I believe that is down to the awful PXi shaft which no one seems to like. I didn't like them enough to bother reshafting. I traded them for a set of S56s, which have become my "Florida set." BTW, my bases for comparison are MP-32 and Hogan Apex '88 and '99 - my primary gamers for the past 25+ years, so don't presume to think I don't know what a blade feels like.

Flame out.
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you guys can keep flaming each other but I think majority would argue your statement about S56 feeling better than x-forged,,

granted it's all subjective and they're both excellent clubs,, x-forged felt pretty damn good to me.
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Apparently you didn't read the part where I suggested that the PXi shaft was most likely to blame. In my experience, the vast majority of people have no idea what they are talking about. Why would I be interested in anyting they have to say? I make my judgments based upon my own personal experiences, not based upon what the majority thinks. It's the only way can assure that I know what I am talking about.

I still have my S56s - for more than a year now. The X-forged were so clanky that they didn't last two months, but I played at least 20 rounds with them before deciding they had to go. How many rounds have you played with each of the clubs on which you are now opining? (i.e., I've given you the basis for my opinion, let's hear yours.)

[BigEasy68]

If ping made a softer version of the s55s and no option with 17-4 steel I'd flood them with angry emails and never touch a ping product again. I'd also harass Marty jertson in anyway I possibly could to let him know that I strongly disagree with the decision. It's fine the way it is. That's why they made the ansers. And the wedges are one thing because you may want more feel with the shorter shots but I want my irons to last long and that's why im a ping fan.

[BigEasy68]

[quote name='Birdie Wooster' timestamp='1428347536' post='11296037']
Now that the Glides are out in the world and being received with love, perhaps the folks at Ping could be persuaded to cast the S55 out of the softer 431 stainless. Anyone else interested?
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No. Go play mizuno or titleist. This is PING.

[MarkCPA]

Lol....what a hoot to read. Up the dosage guys. Seriously.

[NSCohen17]

[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431463213' post='11547256']
If ping made a softer version of the s55s and no option with 17-4 steel I'd flood them with angry emails and never touch a ping product again. I'd also harass Marty jertson in anyway I possibly could to let him know that I strongly disagree with the decision. It's fine the way it is. That's why they made the ansers. And the wedges are one thing because you may want more feel with the shorter shots but I want my irons to last long and that's why im a ping fan.
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The Ansers were to fill a high end niche market in Asia - they are NOT a "player's club" and, I understand, sold very poorly in the US. No one is suggesting that Ping replace the S series with the 431 stainless (although it does not sound like you would be willing to give them a chance if they did) but, rather, an additional offering. I love my S56s (my Florida set), but not as much as I love my Mizunos. A set of irons built to the same specs as these amazing wedges (I think it was, in fact, Ping that came out with the wedges in question, eh?), would be something of great interest to all but the most Luddite golfers.

Besides, you already have your S55 in 17-4 (wonderful sticks, I agree) so, by your logic, you're all set, forever. If you are keeping them forever, what difference does it make what Ping does with the replacement and, on the other hand, if you are going to replace them before they die, then longevity isn't really a concern for you. Or are you one of those dolts who thinks that forged clubs are no good after 3 rounds because they get bag chatter? My MP-32s have been in the bag for most of the past 10 years. They still work great, even if they don't look 'showroom.'

[BigEasy68]

[quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1431525562' post='11551526']
[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431463213' post='11547256']
If ping made a softer version of the s55s and no option with 17-4 steel I'd flood them with angry emails and never touch a ping product again. I'd also harass Marty jertson in anyway I possibly could to let him know that I strongly disagree with the decision. It's fine the way it is. That's why they made the ansers. And the wedges are one thing because you may want more feel with the shorter shots but I want my irons to last long and that's why im a ping fan.
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The Ansers were to fill a high end niche market in Asia - they are NOT a "player's club" and, I understand, sold very poorly in the US. No one is suggesting that Ping replace the S series with the 431 stainless (although it does not sound like you would be willing to give them a chance if they did) but, rather, an additional offering. I love my S56s (my Florida set), but not as much as I love my Mizunos. A set of irons built to the same specs as these amazing wedges (I think it was, in fact, Ping that came out with the wedges in question, eh?), would be something of great interest to all but the most Luddite golfers.

Besides, you already have your S55 in 17-4 (wonderful sticks, I agree) so, by your logic, you're all set, forever. If you are keeping them forever, what difference does it make what Ping does with the replacement and, on the other hand, if you are going to replace them before they die, then longevity isn't really a concern for you. Or are you one of those dolts who thinks that forged clubs are no good after 3 rounds because they get bag chatter? My MP-32s have been in the bag for most of the past 10 years. They still work great, even if they don't look 'showroom.'
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I actually had mizuno mp 57s before my pings. And I had them for 6 years. I loved them but they got beat up really easily. And you're right, I do plan on having my pings for a long time. But regardless I want ping to stay true to the way they've done it. I was kind of annoyed that the glide eedges were a bit softer, but it's not a big deal because they are wedges.

[NSCohen17]

[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431527013' post='11551670']
[quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1431525562' post='11551526']
[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431463213' post='11547256']
If ping made a softer version of the s55s and no option with 17-4 steel I'd flood them with angry emails and never touch a ping product again. I'd also harass Marty jertson in anyway I possibly could to let him know that I strongly disagree with the decision. It's fine the way it is. That's why they made the ansers. And the wedges are one thing because you may want more feel with the shorter shots but I want my irons to last long and that's why im a ping fan.
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The Ansers were to fill a high end niche market in Asia - they are NOT a "player's club" and, I understand, sold very poorly in the US. No one is suggesting that Ping replace the S series with the 431 stainless (although it does not sound like you would be willing to give them a chance if they did) but, rather, an additional offering. I love my S56s (my Florida set), but not as much as I love my Mizunos. A set of irons built to the same specs as these amazing wedges (I think it was, in fact, Ping that came out with the wedges in question, eh?), would be something of great interest to all but the most Luddite golfers.

Besides, you already have your S55 in 17-4 (wonderful sticks, I agree) so, by your logic, you're all set, forever. If you are keeping them forever, what difference does it make what Ping does with the replacement and, on the other hand, if you are going to replace them before they die, then longevity isn't really a concern for you. Or are you one of those dolts who thinks that forged clubs are no good after 3 rounds because they get bag chatter? My MP-32s have been in the bag for most of the past 10 years. They still work great, even if they don't look 'showroom.'
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I actually had mizuno mp 57s before my pings. And I had them for 6 years. I loved them but they got beat up really easily. And you're right, I do plan on having my pings for a long time. But regardless I want ping to stay true to the way they've done it. I was kind of annoyed that the glide eedges were a bit softer, but it's not a big deal because they are wedges.
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Were you also annoyed when they offered the Tour-S wedges in Raw 8620 (rustique), or when they offered the eye2 irons in BeCu, or perhaps when they offered the ISI in nickel, or maybe when they started putting a chrome finish on their irons instead of leaving them raw, or when they first offered a blade (S59) that was unlike their previous cavities? I'm just not sure what you mean by "stay true to the way they've done it". The way Ping has always done it is by innovation while keeping an eye on tradition (no pun), often redefining the market in the process. You seem to think you're defending the "tradition" of Ping, but you are waa-a-aay off base. You're just saying that you like your clubs the way they are, so Ping should stop innovating and always make them that way - hardly a realistic or even rational position. If it makes you feel any better, rest assured that the introduction of a new material would not invalidate your prior purchase of the S55.

I have to say, I'm mystified by your position. Really.

[NoTalentLefty]

[quote name='ajschn06' timestamp='1429897751' post='11434187']This is ridiculous. Ping could write 431 stainless on their 17-4 S55's and you guys would be all, "Oh my god they feel so much better." It makes no difference....[/quote]

You sir our no connesewer of steal. No pings for you.

[Lowspinblake]

Not too many people are willing to pay the $$$ for forged irons made by ping. I'm sure the sales numbers reflected that. I think the latest ansers were around 1500$+ which was wayyyy more than any other major oems forged irons. Ping probably knows by now that they are gonna have to seriously bring down the price if they want to sell another forged iron in the US market. I Doubt that will happen anytime soon, as a lot of people already love their irons and have for a long time.

[BigEasy68]

[quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1431528528' post='11551850']
[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431527013' post='11551670']
[quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1431525562' post='11551526']
[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431463213' post='11547256']
If ping made a softer version of the s55s and no option with 17-4 steel I'd flood them with angry emails and never touch a ping product again. I'd also harass Marty jertson in anyway I possibly could to let him know that I strongly disagree with the decision. It's fine the way it is. That's why they made the ansers. And the wedges are one thing because you may want more feel with the shorter shots but I want my irons to last long and that's why im a ping fan.
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The Ansers were to fill a high end niche market in Asia - they are NOT a "player's club" and, I understand, sold very poorly in the US. No one is suggesting that Ping replace the S series with the 431 stainless (although it does not sound like you would be willing to give them a chance if they did) but, rather, an additional offering. I love my S56s (my Florida set), but not as much as I love my Mizunos. A set of irons built to the same specs as these amazing wedges (I think it was, in fact, Ping that came out with the wedges in question, eh?), would be something of great interest to all but the most Luddite golfers.

Besides, you already have your S55 in 17-4 (wonderful sticks, I agree) so, by your logic, you're all set, forever. If you are keeping them forever, what difference does it make what Ping does with the replacement and, on the other hand, if you are going to replace them before they die, then longevity isn't really a concern for you. Or are you one of those dolts who thinks that forged clubs are no good after 3 rounds because they get bag chatter? My MP-32s have been in the bag for most of the past 10 years. They still work great, even if they don't look 'showroom.'
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I actually had mizuno mp 57s before my pings. And I had them for 6 years. I loved them but they got beat up really easily. And you're right, I do plan on having my pings for a long time. But regardless I want ping to stay true to the way they've done it. I was kind of annoyed that the glide eedges were a bit softer, but it's not a big deal because they are wedges.
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Were you also annoyed when they offered the Tour-S wedges in Raw 8620 (rustique), or when they offered the eye2 irons in BeCu, or perhaps when they offered the ISI in nickel, or maybe when they started putting a chrome finish on their irons instead of leaving them raw, or when they first offered a blade (S59) that was unlike their previous cavities? I'm just not sure what you mean by "stay true to the way they've done it". The way Ping has always done it is by innovation while keeping an eye on tradition (no pun), often redefining the market in the process. You seem to think you're defending the "tradition" of Ping, but you are waa-a-aay off base. You're just saying that you like your clubs the way they are, so Ping should stop innovating and always make them that way - hardly a realistic or even rational position. If it makes you feel any better, rest assured that the introduction of a new material would not invalidate your prior purchase of the S55.

I have to say, I'm mystified by your position. Really.
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17-4 steel

[NSCohen17]

[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431548319' post='11553876'][quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1431528528' post='11551850']
[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431527013' post='11551670']
[quote name='NSCohen17' timestamp='1431525562' post='11551526']
[quote name='Knicks226' timestamp='1431463213' post='11547256']
If ping made a softer version of the s55s and no option with 17-4 steel I'd flood them with angry emails and never touch a ping product again. I'd also harass Marty jertson in anyway I possibly could to let him know that I strongly disagree with the decision. It's fine the way it is. That's why they made the ansers. And the wedges are one thing because you may want more feel with the shorter shots but I want my irons to last long and that's why im a ping fan.
[/quote]

The Ansers were to fill a high end niche market in Asia - they are NOT a "player's club" and, I understand, sold very poorly in the US. No one is suggesting that Ping replace the S series with the 431 stainless (although it does not sound like you would be willing to give them a chance if they did) but, rather, an additional offering. I love my S56s (my Florida set), but not as much as I love my Mizunos. A set of irons built to the same specs as these amazing wedges (I think it was, in fact, Ping that came out with the wedges in question, eh?), would be something of great interest to all but the most Luddite golfers.

Besides, you already have your S55 in 17-4 (wonderful sticks, I agree) so, by your logic, you're all set, forever. If you are keeping them forever, what difference does it make what Ping does with the replacement and, on the other hand, if you are going to replace them before they die, then longevity isn't really a concern for you. Or are you one of those dolts who thinks that forged clubs are no good after 3 rounds because they get bag chatter? My MP-32s have been in the bag for most of the past 10 years. They still work great, even if they don't look 'showroom.'
[/quote]

I actually had mizuno mp 57s before my pings. And I had them for 6 years. I loved them but they got beat up really easily. And you're right, I do plan on having my pings for a long time. But regardless I want ping to stay true to the way they've done it. I was kind of annoyed that the glide eedges were a bit softer, but it's not a big deal because they are wedges.
[/quote]

Were you also annoyed when they offered the Tour-S wedges in Raw 8620 (rustique), or when they offered the eye2 irons in BeCu, or perhaps when they offered the ISI in nickel, or maybe when they started putting a chrome finish on their irons instead of leaving them raw, or when they first offered a blade (S59) that was unlike their previous cavities? I'm just not sure what you mean by "stay true to the way they've done it". The way Ping has always done it is by innovation while keeping an eye on tradition (no pun), often redefining the market in the process. You seem to think you're defending the "tradition" of Ping, but you are waa-a-aay off base. You're just saying that you like your clubs the way they are, so Ping should stop innovating and always make them that way - hardly a realistic or even rational position. If it makes you feel any better, rest assured that the introduction of a new material would not invalidate your prior purchase of the S55.

I have to say, I'm mystified by your position. Really.
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17-4 steel[/quote]

Res ipsa loquitur.

[dog flog]

Because of this , I entered tour rustique wedge into my ebay search bar. Even the well used ones have grooves that look very sharp and the faces show very little wear. The rust looks good, and the hard steel durability looks like it's all there. Different for Ping but still very Ping. If I didn't just complete a set of RTX CB's I'd be looking at these as a mint condish used option. The funny thing is how even though the older, rustier ones are in as good playing condition as the shinier ones, they have to sell them for less even though they're supposed to be rusty! Anyway they look good, and more like the S56 from the back than S55, IMO.

[NoTalentLefty]

Speaks for a hater.. Tehehehehe