Ernie playing an OZIK?

[Gem]

I think people defend Oziks because so many others say they are crap and a waste of money.

I think the TP line is way too expensive at $1000 but the majority are priced around $300 to $400 which is close to other high end shaft prices.

I have tried lots of shafts in the last year, Diamanna blue and white, VS proto, Rombax and a few Oziks.

The best shaft for me has been the F7-M2. This is the straightest I have ever hit a driver and it does keep the spin down. I was sceptical about the Ozik range before I tried them but I am definately convinced that they are just as good if not better than other top line shafts.

I think they suit me because I am a high spin player and they do seem to keep the spin down which is good news here in Scotland.

If people can get good figures from a cheaper shaft then there is no no need to change and most people will be fine with shafts costing less than $100.

 

Gem

[KevCarter]

My opinion...

 

Ozik makes fantastic shafts that are worth every penny, if you find the one that fits. They are fantastic shafts for strong, high spin players, but they do not fit everybody.

 

I love the feel of Ozik shafts, and used to be a high spin player. I thought they were the best shafts for me, and they performed great for my swing. Now as I am getting older and more out of shape, and also have finally been able to shallow out my swing and am no longer what I would consider high spin, they are no longer the best shafts for me.

 

The best fit for me in the Ozik line was the Code 7, I hit it very straight, and like I mentioned I love the feel. I was on the Titleist launch monitor last week with my Ozik driver and the entire range of shafts available from Titleist. For me, the stock VS Proto was 19 yards longer than my own favorite Ozik shafted driver! The flight and spin was perfect for me with the stock VS Proto. I'm not saying the VS Proto is a better shaft, but it was clearly a better fit for me.

 

It's not about buying the best shaft. It's about buying the best shaft for you.

 

Kevin

[Johnny]

lets keep OnT... if your post has nothing to do with Ozik... dont post it...

[Lowpro]

big E will be playing something different new next week(most likely). the players are like us- free shafts are free shafts. BUT i do like the ozik line and they deserve good props. just like the white boards, fujikiura reax's, accra axiv line, vs proto.. there si something to these $200+ shafts i think.. now can i get away with hitting a $65.00 ust v.2 75 damn right! 'golf is my drug' :bigwhack:

[Golfchicago]

My opinion...

 

Ozik makes fantastic shafts that are worth every penny, if you find the one that fits. They are fantastic shafts for strong, high spin players, but they do not fit everybody.

 

I love the feel of Ozik shafts, and used to be a high spin player. I thought they were the best shafts for me, and they performed great for my swing. Now as I am getting older and more out of shape, and also have finally been able to shallow out my swing and am no longer what I would consider high spin, they are no longer the best shafts for me.

 

The best fit for me in the Ozik line was the Code 7, I hit it very straight, and like I mentioned I love the feel. I was on the Titleist launch monitor last week with my Ozik driver and the entire range of shafts available from Titleist. For me, the stock VS Proto was 19 yards longer than my own favorite Ozik shafted driver! The flight and spin was perfect for me with the stock VS Proto. I'm not saying the VS Proto is a better shaft, but it was clearly a better fit for me.

 

It's not about buying the best shaft. It's about buying the best shaft for you.

 

Kevin

Kev, Great perspective, thanks!

[Golfchicago]

Nice post Chicago.

K2 I am just trying to keep it real!

[kgk]

Oziks are fine if they fit you, and they don't fit me. I have hit every one of them on the course and launch monitor, and there are better shafts for my swing. Candy Apple Green simply isn't enough to overcome my desire to hit a shaft that fits me. My current driver shaft is a Rombax 6X07 that works great for me - it is Tiger Piss Yellow with Funky Max Headroom 80's Graphics ™. It actually doesn't looks bad in my Superquad, but that's neither here nor there.

[morganj]

these shafts are great, if they fit your swing. but,lets be serious. if these shafts are that good, there would be alot more tour players using this brand. according to the darrell survey fujikura are still number 1 by a long way followed by mitsubishi.if it wasnt for all the hype from another site there wouldnt be half as much interest in oziks.

i am not bashing the brand. i have tried the shafts myself and quite like them, but the if tour players are not using them in large quantities, i think that says it all. just my 2 cents....

[Golfchicago]

these shafts are great, if they fit your swing. but,lets be serious. if these shafts are that good, there would be alot more tour players using this brand. according to the darrell survey fujikura are still number 1 by a long way followed by mitsubishi.if it wasnt for all the hype from another site there wouldnt be half as much interest in oziks.

i am not bashing the brand. i have tried the shafts myself and quite like them, but the if tour players are not using them in large quantities, i think that says it all. just my 2 cents....

What I'd like to know is if Tour players have already tried them and they don't like them or they just haven't tried the product yet. It has been out there for a couple of years.

[Golfchicago]

O.K. the shafts are cool looking but every supporter of the shaft has talked in generalities so far. What I'd love to hear is specifics. I'd love to hear why I should buy this shaft based on specific performance. I can afford to spend a thousand dollars for a shaft; however, I've become more frugal as I've searched for the "perfect club". So far I've heard that these shafts are for fast swinging high spin players, every one agree on that? What I'd like to hear is specifics on fairways hit compared to other shafts, distance changes, etc. Obviously there are people out there that have played or are playing the shaft and are happy with it. Let's here some specifics. Did you get fitted for these shafts? When you did your fitting session, did you get fitted for other shafts as well and what other shafts were included in the fitting.

 

Here is my problem, I think the shafts are overpriced and overrated and only good for fast swinging high spin players and not even necessarily the best shaft for those type of swings. I am more than willing to change my opinion!! I also haven't tried the shaft yet. So my opinion isn't a strong opinion until I try it. It is based on some opinions of conversations with players of my caliber who I highly respect.

 

It is funny. I've got lots of clubs with different shafts in them. The straightest club in my bag is my Titleist 585h with a moderately priced Aldila nv. Man I hit that club dead straight. The other shaft I've had success with is the Accra products. For something to cost 4 to 10 times more, am I really going to see that much return on my investment? Based on my friends who have tried it, they haven't. Has anybody who has the shaft or had the shaft, double their fairways hit? Or what has this club done for you?

[SteveG]

O.K. the shafts are cool looking but every supporter of the shaft has talked in generalities so far. What I'd love to hear is specifics. I'd love to hear why I should buy this shaft based on specific performance. I can afford to spend a thousand dollars for a shaft; however, I've become more frugal as I've searched for the "perfect club". So far I've heard that these shafts are for fast swinging high spin players, every one agree on that? What I'd like to hear is specifics on fairways hit compared to other shafts, distance changes, etc. Obviously there are people out there that have played or are playing the shaft and are happy with it. Let's here some specifics. Did you get fitted for these shafts? When you did your fitting session, did you get fitted for other shafts as well and what other shafts were included in the fitting.

 

Here is my problem, I think the shafts are overpriced and overrated and only good for fast swinging high spin players and not even necessarily the best shaft for those type of swings. I am more than willing to change my opinion!! I also haven't tried the shaft yet. So my opinion isn't a strong opinion until I try it. It is based on some opinions of conversations with players of my caliber who I highly respect.

 

It is funny. I've got lots of clubs with different shafts in them. The straightest club in my bag is my Titleist 585h with a moderately priced Aldila nv. Man I hit that club dead straight. The other shaft I've had success with is the Accra products. For something to cost 4 to 10 times more, am I really going to see that much return on my investment? Based on my friends who have tried it, they haven't. Has anybody who has the shaft or had the shaft, double their fairways hit? Or what has this club done for you?

 

I've played the TP-7x for over a year and it is my favorite shaft I've ever played. The feel and trajectory are what I love most about the shaft. I hit missiles at my home course with it, and although I could probably gain more yardage by playing more launch, it doesn't fit my conditions or eye. I play in windy, dry conditions and this thing is a beast for those particular elements (think Graf. Blue but with even more smoothness than a Diamana blue). I can run it way out there when I'm striping it, and I just love the characteristics of the shaft. I would say that puts me in the 'fast swinging high spin players' category, but regardless I love this shaft. I was not personally fit for the shaft, but through e-mails with people from the company and continued research myself it was determined what was best for my game.

 

Fitting IMO is very helpful, but also overrated in many respects. I've also never understood why anyone who can't break 85 regularly, or even 80 for that matter, would go out and spend boatloads of money on a product they cannot fully utilize. This is where I think a lot of the bad rap from the company comes from. On some sites you get reviews from players who are "15, but dropping" handicaps and how they can move it either way, and how they are eliminating one side of the course, or how they describe their particular shot shape and next thing you know an Ozik is the best shaft they've ever hit. Forget for a second that half of these players don't even know what a good shot is, or how they have no typical shot shape, but yet they feel they can give an accurate review between products, deciphering what is best and what isn't. On top of that, fitting a player like this has to be impossible. It's not like their swing repeats, so what in the world do you do?? Guess which swing felt more natural to them?? So now that you have a club that "squeezes out every last yard" with a +/- 15% error due to ability and ballstriking capabilities you've seen the light...... :friends: Since all I read is bad comparisons now a days, I'll give you an idea of what I mean. "It's like a person who speeds on the weekends in his Mercury Grand Marquis, trying to offer his opinion on which sports car is better, the Porsche or the Ferrari". There's nothing I can offer to a person who is looking to buy one of these products and utilize it fully.

 

So what you have is a bunch of golf nerds that sit around and show pictures of their bag and when someone asks them what they shot, they go "I was only testing out a couple drivers, I didn't keep score". This is why I feel a lot of people discount the product. There is no doubt in my opinion that if one of these shafts fits you it is an excellent choice. The problem then is the cost, which for some models is exorbitant. I outlined on another site during my review of the product who and who not the product is a viable option for. Even the most EXTREMELY talented players can get away with playing a $200 shaft and IMO they are not "leaving yards on the table", but if you really want an exceptional product maybe paying more money is worth it.... Maybe not. Like all other choices in life, you must make an educated decision and figure out what is best for you....... You can't let a bunch of people who would rather show off their clubs instead of use them determine what is best or worst for your game.......

 

Sorry for the length of this post, but I think people have to understand the product is actually very good. It's just the idiots who pimp it that give it a bad rap...... just my opinion

 

HEY GUYS CHECK OUIT MY LIME GREENZ LOLOLOL I SHOT 93 LAST WEEK, BUT I TIGHTENED MY DISPERSION BY 3.4 YARDS AND A CART GIRL ASKED ME ABOUT MY SHAFT, THAT WAS A FIRST LOLOLOLOL. MY SPINRATE DROIPPED A COUPLE RPMS AND NOW I'M CARRYING IT 10 YARDS LONGER AND IT LOOKS EVEN BETER. LETS SIT AROUND AND SEE WHO'S IRONS ARE RARER!!!!11111

[SteveG]

Just so you know, I'm not trying to put people down, it's just I see people like this everyday. At a recent demo day I watched a guy top 9 3-woods in a row (yes, I counted because I was behind him waiting for him to leave so I could hit) then turn around and fake an injury, with only minutes going by between his legendary statements of, "I have the same ballspeed as Tiger" or "I don't hit my 3-wood much, I can place my long irons wherever I want" and "I am thinking of putting a 3-wood in the bag because I've been playing courses with par 5's around 600 yards, and that's the only time I would ever use it". My whole point is decipher the crap from the good stuff, which is very hard now a days on some sites, and you can find decent reviews on products.....

 

Good luck

[kells]

I would like to point out that most shaft companies do not advertise the spin produced by a given product. I am very aware that the head has allot to do with overall spin but, the Matrix Ozik line is some of the best spin control shafts on the Market IMO. This to me means that if spin control is an issue then maybe Ozik is the way to go. It comes down to proper fitting. I get shafts directly from Matrix and they stress proper fitting. The prices make it easy to be sceptical. For myself (high spin player) the Ozik series was perfect. I did need to 1/2 inch tip the shafts to get the fit right but that is the key, getting the right fit. As far as spin control, I think Matrix is cutting edge. Check it out for yourself. Even the MFS series has great control properties. Just an opinion. Swing what ever as long as you have fun and keep posting. :friends:

 

Kells

[progolferv1]

I played fuji for years and switched to the Ozik line becuase they fit me not because people push them. THe altus is very good. It brought my spin down from 3100 to 2500 in the same head and picked up a ton of roll. The feel, to me, is very smooth and easy to hit. I have a d2, that is waiting on a altus, that has a v2 that I feel I have to swing at the ball. With the altus is seem effortless and easy to swing. About the price, they are not much more than a diamana, which I have tried and do not like. For the colors, I could careless.

[ccgolfer37]

Its all about priorities. To some people who think that the $1000 dollar price tag actually means better performance and they have the money, then thats just fine if the want to spend it and if in their head it makes them think they have an edge more power to them! I think someone in an earlier post made a great comment about people not being able to break 85 and turning to equipment to make them better when reading a bob rotella book and taking some lessons would go alot farther.

 

But for myself, I do consider spending money on my golf equipment a top priority as my performance in tournaments matters. I have access to many different golf shafts at very very minimal prices, that has even made the Ozik tp-7 in my price range. After testing the ozik along side many others I would put it in the top half, top 5 even(about 20 shafts were tested). It was pretty good, nice feel, stable and fairly accurate. At a +1.7 USGA handicap and being a pretty decent ball sticker I am very picky about my shafts and equipment. When it came time to pick one there just wasn't anything that stood out about the shaft the made it worth the extra money, it was good, but not great. I think the thing that kept it from being my favorite was the dispersion. I found the Axis to be slightly more consistent. Thats just my personal experience. I think a great sign of SERIOUS performance is how many tour players use a shaft, because unlike clubs they generally dont have players sign multi million dollar contracts for shaft use. And to me to see the fujikura, mitsubishi, and accra towards the top, that speaks for itself. And also there was a redicuclus comment about players not knowing what they were really swinging? Come on give me a break, at that level of play you BET that 99% of them know EXACTLY what they are swinging! Just my 2 cents.

[Johnny]

I played fuji for years and switched to the Ozik line becuase they fit me not because people push them. THe altus is very good. It brought my spin down from 3100 to 2500 in the same head and picked up a ton of roll. The feel, to me, is very smooth and easy to hit. I have a d2, that is waiting on a altus, that has a v2 that I feel I have to swing at the ball. With the altus is seem effortless and easy to swing. About the price, they are not much more than a diamana, which I have tried and do not like. For the colors, I could careless.

 

I still prefer Fuji.. all 3 graphite shafts are once again fuji..although the driver get rotated from Mitsubushi and Fuji quite often. The altus did nothing for me but launch higher..spin slightly more and felt like a wet noodle..light too. The only Ozik I can see myself playing is the F7M2 and the medius...others do not fit my swing eventhough on paper they seemed like and ideal fit.

 

yes I was on the beloved trackman..so I know my results were real.

[toddnt]

I know this was started about Ernie, but wht does anyone care what the next guy on the range or course is playing. Hey if you got the cash for a $1,000.00 shaft, then go for it. If the guy had an ozik and couldnt hi it worth a darn, Id make a comment to myself and go about my merry way! Would you rather drive a Bentley or Pinto? Ive got enough issues with my game to be concerned about what tom, Dick and Harry is playing. :friends:

[progolferv1]

I played fuji for years and switched to the Ozik line becuase they fit me not because people push them. THe altus is very good. It brought my spin down from 3100 to 2500 in the same head and picked up a ton of roll. The feel, to me, is very smooth and easy to hit. I have a d2, that is waiting on a altus, that has a v2 that I feel I have to swing at the ball. With the altus is seem effortless and easy to swing. About the price, they are not much more than a diamana, which I have tried and do not like. For the colors, I could careless.

 

I still prefer Fuji.. all 3 graphite shafts are once again fuji..although the driver get rotated from Mitsubushi and Fuji quite often. The altus did nothing for me but launch higher..spin slightly more and felt like a wet noodle..light too. The only Ozik I can see myself playing is the F7M2 and the medius...others do not fit my swing eventhough on paper they seemed like and ideal fit.

 

yes I was on the beloved trackman..so I know my results were real.

 

 

This is the great thing about play golf in 2007. there is so many options and so many great things to play. Find what works for you and hit it. If it is a 50 dollar shaft or a 500 shaft, if it works then play with it.

[stage1350]

....Sorry for the length of this post, but I think people have to understand the product is actually very good. It's just the idiots who pimp it that give it a bad rap...... just my opinion

 

BINGO! We have a winner!

 

The fact is, one of the best shafts of all time (Dynamic Gold) is less than $15. There are multiple examples of great shafts in the $100 range and a lot of outstanding shafts that are less than $200. When you get into the exotic shafts, the torch has been passed from Speeder 757 to Diamana.

 

Apache/MCC/Matrix/Ozik has always had some decent shafts in their inventory. The bigger problem is a couple of people trying to claim that it will revolutionize your golf game. Worse, that you can BUY a better game. Getting fitted is absolutely important and I will not argue the point, but claiming that people are leaving yards on the table or saying that you can pick up 15-25 yards automatically is just idiocy. If you are fitted and your current driver is close to optimized, how are you going to improve on it?

 

And anyone that wants to spend $200 extra for a PAINT JOB needs to admit it's about vanity. If you want to retort with the typical "it's their money" argument, fine. But don't claim a performance advantage.