Mike Malaska - Getting the club in front of you. Made easy...

[The Pearl]

Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT.

[cardoustie]

I used this yesterday in a big interclub event and save for two flip long irons on par 3's (*old swing snuck in two appearances ...where I made triple and a double) I hit the ball better than I have in years. Was not able to hit flip hooks with the driver ... just pounded it

Thx for sharing your find OP

[sethdavidsdad]

I took a lesson from our head pro when I was coming severely under plane and hooking the driver. He had me do a similar move with the driver, had me feel as if the club was working way out in front of me on the way down without moving my right shoulder or hands out. It cured my hooks and for awhile was hitting the driver better than ever.

[ofortuna]

Jackie Stewart talking about something as cool as formula 1 racing is a bit of a stretch. I'd like to see Monte edit in scenes from Enter the Dragon into his driver video.

"Wot was dat? Tuh-why again. Dees time, wit feeeeeeeeee-wing!"

[sethdavidsdad]

From my personal experience with lessons from Monte, he does not teach this way. He had me working the hands out to start the downswing then in late.

[MountainKing]

[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1442930309' post='12349578']
From my personal experience with lessons from Monte, he does not teach this way. He had me working the hands out to start the downswing then in late.
[/quote]

He's the only one who could really correct us if we're wrong but it does appear to me he teaches the same thing, just not in this manner. Getting the left arm off the chest, having the right and left arms rotate coming down, no turn cast. I could be very wrong but it seems to be the same concepts, just different feels to get you in the right position. I also imagine based on what your swing looks like the results may be a little different, these methods are all great but each one of us probably need some form of modification based on our habits.

[TheBoomer]

[quote name='CerroGordo' timestamp='1442808584' post='12342506']
Im also curious to hear what the teaching pros have to say about this "feel". Here's another video with an explanation.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzKZjIl5f9Y[/media]
[/quote]


One of the best videos on YouTube !!!

[dap]

I say get Malaska posting here and let's have us another guru. Things have been getting stale for a while. We need some new drills to get us through another long winter. There's been little to fight, I mean discuss about lately. The villagers are restless for a new sheriff and willing to pay a decent salary. The layoff is dead. Long live the.... Pile drive???

[Grayback1973]

[quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442929938' post='12349550']Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT.[/quote]Interestingly us ott hacks are always trying to flatten the shaft and let the club get behind us and yet all of our attempts,no matter which intent we use,seem to have the same steep results.Wouldn't it be interesting to actually try doing what this guy is saying,standing the shaft up in transition and see what happens with it.I have been drilling with this for a few days now and noticing in the mirror how nicely "in plane" the shaft is and how the clubhead stays very much in front of me,not lagging behind.Kind of excited to try this feel actually hitting balls.Nothing to lose AFAIAC.

[sethdavidsdad]

I have a tendency to be really steep but this move feels good. Interested to try it out on the range.

[cardoustie]

I think it works for me well as per my trackman lesson back in July .... I was identified as really laying the club off coming down and coming way too far from the inside ( I did a post on it )

I've been working on the wrong thing. This really helped me w driver hooks

[jbw749]

[quote name='Grayback1973' timestamp='1442938869' post='12350438']
[quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442929938' post='12349550']Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT.[/quote]Interestingly us ott hacks are always trying to flatten the shaft and let the club get behind us and yet all of our attempts,no matter which intent we use,seem to have the same steep results.Wouldn't it be interesting to actually try doing what this guy is saying,standing the shaft up in transition and see what happens with it.I have been drilling with this for a few days now and noticing in the mirror how nicely "in plane" the shaft is and how the clubhead stays very much in front of me,not lagging behind.Kind of excited to try this feel actually hitting balls.Nothing to lose AFAIAC.
[/quote]

Hacks steepen early and shallow late by early extension and flip.
Good golfers shallow early and steepen late. The Malaska move is a great steepen late idea. The speed is created by lead arm rotation while clubhead fleeing outward not pulling.

[BeautifulNice]

[quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442929938' post='12349550']
Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT.
[/quote]

I'm an OTT flipper/picker and this prevents an OTT move if done correctly. It also seems to shallow the AOA. When I do it right, I'm hitting the ball solid and straight. It doesn't seem like it should work but as Malaska says, it's about feel. You don't really stand the club up on the d/s but you get your hands inside the path of the club head, rotate the left arm and let centripetal force do the rest.

[John Kreese]

Tried this feel on the range - I hit really solid, but lots of pulls. Would have been really interesting to see video but didn't have time.

[sheldonjhacker]

[quote name='BeautifulNice' timestamp='1442942047' post='12350740']
[quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442929938' post='12349550']
Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT.
[/quote]

I'm an OTT flipper/picker and this prevents an OTT move if done correctly. It also seems to shallow the AOA. When I do it right, I'm hitting the ball solid and straight. It doesn't seem like it should work but as Malaska says, it's about feel. You don't really stand the club up on the d/s but you get your hands inside the path of the club head, rotate the left arm and let centripetal force do the rest.
[/quote]
BNice...Left arm rotates counterclockwise in the downswing, correct ?

[The Pearl]

[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1442944464' post='12350984'] [quote name='BeautifulNice' timestamp='1442942047' post='12350740'] [quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442929938' post='12349550'] Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT. [/quote] I'm an OTT flipper/picker and this prevents an OTT move if done correctly. It also seems to shallow the AOA. When I do it right, I'm hitting the ball solid and straight. It doesn't seem like it should work but as Malaska says, it's about feel. You don't really stand the club up on the d/s but you get your hands inside the path of the club head, rotate the left arm and let centripetal force do the rest. [/quote] BNice...Left arm rotates counterclockwise in the downswing, correct ? [/quote]

Perhaps this might help the discussion and tie up some loose ends and bring Mike's concept together for the OTT crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me80N7314f0

[QB74]

[quote name='John Kreese' timestamp='1442944223' post='12350972']
Tried this feel on the range - I hit really solid, but lots of pulls. Would have been really interesting to see video but didn't have time.
[/quote]

The heel of the club needs to lead in order to avoid pull hooks, so he says
http://youtu.be/p6sMrQuIK80

[sethdavidsdad]

Anyone read the book he keeps referencing?

[John Kreese]

[quote name='QB74' timestamp='1442945549' post='12351104']
[quote name='John Kreese' timestamp='1442944223' post='12350972']
Tried this feel on the range - I hit really solid, but lots of pulls. Would have been really interesting to see video but didn't have time.
[/quote]

The heel of the club needs to lead in order to avoid pull hooks, so he says
[media=]http://youtu.be/p6sMrQuIK80[/media]
[/quote]

Thanks for posting that. I think he says the same thing to the lady in white in the original video. Seems pretty easy to overcook that idea because of his steering wheel analogy - if you make that exact move it seems like the club face would turn down.

[QB74]

I know, even got my tennis racquet out and practicing the move, really helps.

[BeautifulNice]

[quote]
BNice...Left arm rotates counterclockwise in the downswing, correct ?
[/quote]

Yep. As videos below show. In fact, I think he advocates hitting fades and draws by varying amount of left arm rotation so that face of club is open or shut at impact. That's a little precious for me but maybe for someone with good hands, it's easy enough. I just want to get back to the ball reasonably square.

[dodger]

I started watching these in July. Makes sense to me, however there is more than just the Nichol's drill. One thing he discusses in other videos is the hips moving away from the ball as the club moves toward it to counterbalance the momentum. Zipper away feel if you have been watching Monte. If you do that it takes care of the tendency to pull. As a serious underplaner, I really like this drill as it quiets down the body and I feel the right shoulder chasing the club around the body. Really good stuff.

[crkranz]

[quote name='TheBoomer ' timestamp='1442935241' post='12350032']

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzKZjIl5f9Y[/media]


One of the best videos on YouTube !!![/quote]

Love it!!!

[MrSurly]

[quote name='sethdavidsdad' timestamp='1442945909' post='12351136']
Anyone read the book he keeps referencing?
[/quote]

I went out on a limb and purchased the Kindle version ($15) and it's not bad. A bit basic but he really goes into depth on all the topics he discusses in his videos. He has a great section about the mental game though, and that is something that I am really trying to work on.

[scotee]

[color=#000000][size=3]
[size=4]I agree this is the same move Manzella has called tumble. It is also the same move Jim Hardy has taught in his One Plane Swing where from the top the hands work down early to the “inner circle” and the club tumbles or flops over and the club head goes out to the “outer circle” He teaches that if you are more bent over at the waist this will get you down to the ball. You can come down over the backswing plane without being “over the top”. [/size][/size][/color]
[color=#000000][size=3]
[size=4]I posted this video in a recent thread on tumble of Jeff Ritter’s explanation of this in relation to what kind of backswing you make. [/size][/size][/color][color=#000000][size=3]
[size=4] [/size][url="https://www.youtube....h/?v=6CQUNgNVCZg"]https://www.youtube....h?v=6CQUNgNVCZg[/url][/size][/color]

[color=#000000][size=3]
[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1149261-tumble/"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1149261-tumble/[/url][/size][/color]

[jbw749]

This whole thing seems weird. Every video he has in the last year address this steepening tumble move and none of the videos from previous years even relate to it.
He describes it like he's been teaching it for years.

[eagle98]

The move is, You drop your elbow to the top of your pocket, club head out and above your right hand and then around your body. Sound right... Thanks

[ofortuna]

[quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442945089' post='12351052']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1442944464' post='12350984'] [quote name='BeautifulNice' timestamp='1442942047' post='12350740'] [quote name='The Pearl' timestamp='1442929938' post='12349550'] Very good stuff. I agree with Mike that the club wants to fall behind us at the top of the swing and that we must do something to counter act this, however, most of us hacks are over plane not under plane so we are countering acting it to be sure! I wish Mike would incorporate this teaching concept with a student who was OTT. [/quote] I'm an OTT flipper/picker and this prevents an OTT move if done correctly. It also seems to shallow the AOA. When I do it right, I'm hitting the ball solid and straight. It doesn't seem like it should work but as Malaska says, it's about feel. You don't really stand the club up on the d/s but you get your hands inside the path of the club head, rotate the left arm and let centripetal force do the rest. [/quote] BNice...Left arm rotates counterclockwise in the downswing, correct ? [/quote]

Perhaps this might help the discussion and tie up some loose ends and bring Mike's concept together for the OTT crowd.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me80N7314f0"]https://www.youtube....h?v=me80N7314f0[/url]
[/quote]

This video makes a lot of sense and justifies the "turn the corner" move. It's so you aren't throwing your hand OTT or at the ball.

[Hot Rod 71]

Looks like golf is a family business.

https://youtu.be/Pxa2HhFQRfU

[scooterhd2]

Kind of gives the same feel to me as montes 2 ball drill