Driver head-weight........(sledgehammer) ?

[sevenfourate]

Is this head super-heavy ? Scales were teetering between 205 and 206g. I suspect taking the cellophane of will show 205g on these scales.........

 

I play a high 60g shaft (Grafalloy Prolaunch Red X flex) at 44.5", and a Tour Velvet grip.

 

 

 

Is this likely to produce a really high swingweight............... ? ? ?

 

 

 

 

[Stuart_G]

"standard" head weight for a driver is generally considered around 200 gm but there have been enough OEM's putting out heavier models that 206 gm no longer seems all that heavy anymore.

Actual SW will vary based on the balance point of the specific shaft used (and I can't say what that is for the PLR) but at a 44.5" playing length, in general I would expect the SW to be reasonable or even a bit on the light side of things (very rough guess of D0-D2). The shorter playing length you've chosen is what will likely keep the SW from getting out of hand. I would not expect a high SW but I'd always check during a dry fit w/ a 50 gm grip to make sure before gluing up.

BTW, if the head in question uses an adjustable hossel mechanism, you have to include the weight of the adapter in with the head weight.

[Mula]

What's your definition of high, i play a 201g head with a 75g shaft at 44in doesn't seem too heavy to me

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='sevenfourate' timestamp='1448991710' post='12667500']
Is this head super-heavy ? Scales were teetering between 205 and 206g. I suspect taking the cellophane of will show 205g on these scales.........

I play a high 60g shaft (Grafalloy Prolaunch Red X flex) at 44.5", and a Tour Velvet grip.



Is this likely to produce a really high swingweight............... ? ? ?

[/quote]

No, not too heavy, for some, though heavier than most OEM driver heads. My SLDR is 207 grams and with PX6C12 64 gram shaft, wraps and grip = D3 SW.

edited weight after checking specs.

[Golfrnut]

205 will put your around a D2-D3 SW with a 60g shaft and standard grip in the 44.5" build region, give or take. The SLDR heads would be what I considered heavy....and they came in right around the 210 weight range for all the ones I weighed out. 205 is about average for what you see as a tour head. Many of the old tour issue TM heads were sub 200 to start, and then hot melt added to bring them up.

As an example...my head is 203 grams(includes adapter), AD-DI(58 grams cut), with a standard 48g grip, played at 44.5"...it swingweights at D1.

[Pepperturbo]

Interesting [b]@Golfrnut[/b]... I just checked my club stats and turns out my SLDR 9.5 head alone weighs exactly 207. With 64 gram (after butt cut to length from 66g) PX6C12 tipped 1/2" at 44.75, and +2 +4 wraps on TV non-rib = D3+

When I get new clubs, all are first broken down to components and individually weighed, then reconstructed, to insure I can have them rebuilt to SW if something unforeseen happens.

[sevenfourate]

Its a Mizuno MP-650. So no not adjustable; and i don't have that extra weight to contend with..........

I like a lightish to 'normal' swingweight.....so anywhere D1-D3 would do just fine. And id rather be slightly lighter than average, than slightly over. That i really cannot handle.....

So sounds like this might just be in that ballpark right off the bat - with any luck.



Awesome help as ever guys

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1448996997' post='12667882'] Interesting [b]@Golfrnut[/b]... I just checked my club stats and turns out my SLDR 9.5 head alone weighs exactly 207. With 64 gram (after butt cut to length from 66g) PX6C12 tipped 1/2" at 44.75, and +2 +4 wraps on TV non-rib = D3+ When I get new clubs, all are first broken down to components and individually weighed, then reconstructed, to insure I can have them rebuilt to SW if something unforeseen happens. [/quote]


Then account for the adapter

For some, it wasn't an issue with the higher head weights. But, for others, it's no surprise that people had headweight/MOI issues with that head. Specially when it was so hard to acquire lighter weights for them in the beginning.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1448997553' post='12667924']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1448996997' post='12667882'] Interesting [b]@Golfrnut[/b]... I just checked my club stats and turns out my SLDR 9.5 head alone weighs exactly 207. With 64 gram (after butt cut to length from 66g) PX6C12 tipped 1/2" at 44.75, and +2 +4 wraps on TV non-rib = D3+ When I get new clubs, all are first broken down to components and individually weighed, then reconstructed, to insure I can have them rebuilt to SW if something unforeseen happens. [/quote]


Then account for the adapter

For some, it wasn't an issue with the higher head weights. But, for others, it's no surprise that people had headweight/MOI issues with that head. Specially when it was so hard to acquire lighter weights for them in the beginning.
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Adapter weight was included as part of the shaft finished weight which lead to the "+" SW

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1448997782' post='12667944'] [quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1448997553' post='12667924'] [quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1448996997' post='12667882'] Interesting [b]@Golfrnut[/b]... I just checked my club stats and turns out my SLDR 9.5 head alone weighs exactly 207. With 64 gram (after butt cut to length from 66g) PX6C12 tipped 1/2" at 44.75, and +2 +4 wraps on TV non-rib = D3+ When I get new clubs, all are first broken down to components and individually weighed, then reconstructed, to insure I can have them rebuilt to SW if something unforeseen happens. [/quote] Then account for the adapter For some, it wasn't an issue with the higher head weights. But, for others, it's no surprise that people had headweight/MOI issues with that head. Specially when it was so hard to acquire lighter weights for them in the beginning. [/quote] Adapter weight was included as part of the shaft finished weight which lead to the "+" SW [/quote]


Yup, and that's where I was going with it...it's basically the same as using a head that weighs 215 grams.

[Stuart_G]

Well, the TM adapter is 6 gm - so not quite 215. But yes, one should consider it part of the head weight and not the shaft weight for SW purposes otherwise you'd also have to account for how it will move the balance point of the shaft.

My SLDR 460 w/o adapter was about 204-205 gm if I remember correctly. 44-1/4" length, 63 gm (uncut) shaft (not counterbalanced) and 52 gm grip came in about D1. If you have the weight in the "fade" position, it can increase the SW a bit more.

[bobcat]

For swingweighting purposes, the adapter is considered clubhead weight, (not shaft weight). Every 2-grams of additional head weight = 1-swing weight, but it takes 7-grams of shaft weight to = 1-swingweight.

It's best to weigh clubheads with a loose adapter installed.

For what its worth, most of the SLDR adapters I have weighed are over 7-grams and can therefore add as much as 3.5 swingweight points.

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Stuart G.' timestamp='1449002133' post='12668272']
Well, the TM adapter is 6 gm - so not quite 215. But yes, one should consider it part of the head weight and not the shaft weight for SW purposes otherwise you'd also have to account for how it will move the balance point of the shaft.

My SLDR 460 w/o adapter was about 204-205 gm if I remember correctly. 44-1/4" length, 63 gm (uncut) shaft (not counterbalanced) and 52 gm grip came in about D1. If you have the weight in the "fade" position, it can increase the SW a bit more.
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You can reference Bobcat's post above....but I am in the same boat as him...mine was actually 8 grams

It was in the 215 range.

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='bobcat' timestamp='1449002583' post='12668322']
For swingweighting purposes, the adapter is considered clubhead weight, (not shaft weight). Every 2-grams of additional head weight = 1-swing weight, but it takes 7-grams of shaft weight to = 1-swingweight.

[/quote]


While true and agree with what you said, you have to keep in mind that higher shaft weights assume distributed weight across the shaft. In the case of a shaft tip,the weight is centralized which throws the initial balance point far low than it would be normally to begin with.

There again, I agree with how to account for the tip, but there are caveats and nuances to using the general math to guestimate it's effects on SW.

[Ri_Redneck]

My BCP head is at 215gms with ATX Blue 75 X. ACP is at 217 gms with ATX Red 65. Both feel fine to me. Don't ask about SW though, I quit worrying about that a long time ago.

BT

[Stuart_G]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1449008494' post='12668794']
You can reference Bobcat's post above....but I am in the same boat as him...mine was actually 8 grams

It was in the 215 range.
[/quote]

Thanks - but I prefer to reference my own weight scale :-)

I'm not trying to call anyone out here but it is curious. I've been through dozens of the TM adapters from the original r9's all the way up the SLDR, both OEM and aftermarket, never had one of the driver/fairway ones weigh in at more than 6 (topped out at ~ 6-1/2 gm - including ferrule for the RBZ stage 2 adapter w/ the smaller plastic ferrule). Only the rescue adapters were any heavier at 7+ gm.

Although, never had any of the all metal, tour issues versions (no plastic ferrule). I suspect they could be a bit heavier.

[Tac]

The adapter that came on my SLDR TP shaft weighs 6 grams.

The other adapter I have --- I can't recall where or when I got it ---weighs 7 grams. It has a slightly different plastic ferrule --- just a slightly larger top on it.

My scale only measures to the gram.

[CMZ24]

On 12/1/2015 at 9:09 AM, Pepperturbo said:

Interesting [b]@Golfrnut[/b]... I just checked my club stats and turns out my SLDR 9.5 head alone weighs exactly 207. With 64 gram (after butt cut to length from 66g) PX6C12 tipped 1/2" at 44.75, and +2 +4 wraps on TV non-rib = D3+

When I get new clubs, all are first broken down to components and individually weighed, then reconstructed, to insure I can have them rebuilt to SW if something unforeseen happens.

I know this is an old thread but got a question for you. 
 

I have a radspeed driver that weighs 194g (6g plate in the back)

It’s 46 inches long. I want to chop it down to 44.5 and add some weight to the head. 194g head is too light for me to begin with. Given how long this driver is, it’s even more light to me. 
 

I looked on eBay and they have after market weights. The heaviest one they have is 23g. That would bring the head weight from 194 to 211g. 
 

Do you think 211 would be too heavy? How heavy is that for a driver head ? 

[Stuart_G]

8 hours ago, CMZ24 said:

I have a radspeed driver that weighs 194g (6g plate in the back)

 

 

I'm guessing that's the weight not including the adapter.   To know the actual true head weight, you have to include the weight of the adapter.   So that's means the real head weight will likely be closer to to 200 gm with that head.   I haven't measured the cobra adapter but most adapters are in the 5-8 gm range.

 

8 hours ago, CMZ24 said:

 

Do you think 211 would be too heavy? How heavy is that for a driver head ? 

 

 

Putting aside the fact that you might not be including the weight of the adapter, this might help give a but of perspective.  211 gm is roughly the standard weight of a 3wd head - which is typically played at a length of 42.5" to 43.5"

 

Other than that, only trial and error testing will tell you what a good head weight will be for you a the shorter length.  Or at what point it becomes too heavy.   It's always recommended to test by adding lead tape on the range (in 2 gm increments) to find the best fit.   Then you can order a new weight based on how much lead tape you needed to add.

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by Stuart_G

[phizzy30]

10 hours ago, CMZ24 said:

I know this is an old thread but got a question for you. 
 

I have a radspeed driver that weighs 194g (6g plate in the back)

It’s 46 inches long. I want to chop it down to 44.5 and add some weight to the head. 194g head is too light for me to begin with. Given how long this driver is, it’s even more light to me. 
 

I looked on eBay and they have after market weights. The heaviest one they have is 23g. That would bring the head weight from 194 to 211g. 
 

Do you think 211 would be too heavy? How heavy is that for a driver head ? 

My driver head plays right at 210 and it feels just right to me.  Then again I have a very aggressive tempo and I feel like the heavier head gives me more control and feel I need to be more consistent with my swing. 

[CMZ24]

On 7/23/2022 at 10:28 AM, phizzy30 said:

My driver head plays right at 210 and it feels just right to me.  Then again I have a very aggressive tempo and I feel like the heavier head gives me more control and feel I need to be more consistent with my swing. 

What length and weight shaft do you use? 

[Bobb3rdown]

Cobra adapter weighs 6g. I play my radspeed at 203gr without the adapter @ 44.5" with a slightly counter balance shaft. 60gr px hzrdus blue rdx. Feels heavy for sure. But not overly cumbersome. Even at my ss of around 100mph. I use a 16gr weight in the back and 6gr in the front.

Edited August 18, 2022 by Bobb3rdown

[mogc60]

Just my opinion but using headweight numbers without the adapter would be like sawing of the hosel of your bonded woods to get headweight numbers. The adapter is epoxied to the shaft but is not shaft weight. It’s headweight and needs to be factored always as such.