Thoughts on 2016 Fairway Woods (poll added)

[onafriday]

I'm no bomber - my driver ss maxes out around 110-112, and i can carry about 270 or so with that, and may get one out to 290 if the course conditions are friendly.

 

I look to the 3W to get me about 250 or so - but it's all about placement, and the ability to do so off the tee (primarily) and off the deck (where there's an opportunity and not prohibitive amounts of risk). I find the King LTD really fits the bill and sits nicely between my driver and a 19* hybrid.

 

Truth be told - i think theres alot of good sticks in 2016 - my 'thing' was versatility when settling on the LTD.

[keith723]

I agree, lots of good choices in fairway woods this year

[Rig14Port]

I don't get why the M2 is being marketed by TM as their longest fairway? If it's more forgiving than M1, that means M1 should be lower spinning and therefore longer, unless you have slow swing speed or don't produce much spin naturally

 

Spin is not a bad thing in a fairway... actually, spin is not a bad thing in any club - driver included. I know that's hard to believe though.

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

It's not BS. I watch all of his videos, course vlogs included, and a few months ago he was working on hitting a fade for more control.

 

And also, it's not my opinion. It's raw data. I can show it to you if you want me to. I know a few guys who do R&D testing for major OEM's. Titliest employees even say themselves: we're a golf ball company. Outside of Vokey and Cameron they don't care about having the best product

 

 

[BigHook25]

I'm no bomber - my driver ss maxes out around 110-112, and i can carry about 270 or so with that, and may get one out to 290 if the course conditions are friendly.

 

I look to the 3W to get me about 250 or so - but it's all about placement, and the ability to do so off the tee (primarily) and off the deck (where there's an opportunity and not prohibitive amounts of risk). I find the King LTD really fits the bill and sits nicely between my driver and a 19* hybrid.

 

Truth be told - i think theres alot of good sticks in 2016 - my 'thing' was versatility when settling on the LTD.

 

Agreed, lots of good choices. Many different style fairway woods that could provide similar results. I've hit Callaway, TM, Cobra, and Titleist and you can't go wrong with any of them depending what you want. No offense to Ping which I haven't hit in awhile, but they make great clubs also. I did find the M2 a little easier to launch and hit than Callaway which wanted to stay a little lower for some reason, even in the same loft.

[keith723]

It's not BS. I watch all of his videos, course vlogs included, and a few months ago he was working on hitting a fade for more control.

 

And also, it's not my opinion. It's raw data. I can show it to you if you want me to. I know a few guys who do R&D testing for major OEM's. Titliest employees even say themselves: we're a golf ball company. Outside of Vokey and Cameron they don't care about having the best product

 

Alright, it's pretty clear I'm dealing with a pathological liar now. I call BS and now you do the typical internet forum thing and claim you have friends that do R&D testing? yeah, I'm sure... Then you imply that Titleist employees say that they're only good at wedges, balls, and putters?? Talk about a generalizing, idiotic statement...unless you interviewed a bunch of them, it holds no merit, and no credible Titleist insider would ever say that, as it's simply not true. They make great equipment that's above average in virtually every category. You're full of BS.

 

BTW, don't ever change your avatar...it's very fitting and when I see it, I'll know to just keep scrolling.

 

Sorry to everyone else...back to topic

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

It's not BS. I watch all of his videos, course vlogs included, and a few months ago he was working on hitting a fade for more control.

 

And also, it's not my opinion. It's raw data. I can show it to you if you want me to. I know a few guys who do R&D testing for major OEM's. Titliest employees even say themselves: we're a golf ball company. Outside of Vokey and Cameron they don't care about having the best product

 

Alright, it's pretty clear I'm dealing with a pathological liar now. I call BS and now you do the typical internet forum thing and claim you have friends that do R&D testing? yeah, I'm sure... Then you imply that Titleist employees say that they're only good at wedges, balls, and putters?? Talk about a generalizing, idiotic statement...unless you interviewed a bunch of them, it holds no merit, and no credible Titleist insider would ever say that, as it's simply not true. They make great equipment that's above average in virtually every category. You're full of BS.

 

BTW, don't ever change your avatar...it's very fitting and when I see it, I'll know to just keep scrolling.

 

Sorry to everyone else...back to topic

 

Yeah I must be making s*** up. That must be how I have access to CG vs MOI charts as well as other test data that I have posted here this year and last year and the year before. That info is not available online. Go ahead and look you moron

[BigHook25]

It's not BS. I watch all of his videos, course vlogs included, and a few months ago he was working on hitting a fade for more control.

 

And also, it's not my opinion. It's raw data. I can show it to you if you want me to. I know a few guys who do R&D testing for major OEM's. Titliest employees even say themselves: we're a golf ball company. Outside of Vokey and Cameron they don't care about having the best product

 

Alright, it's pretty clear I'm dealing with a pathological liar now. I call BS and now you do the typical internet forum thing and claim you have friends that do R&D testing? yeah, I'm sure... Then you imply that Titleist employees say that they're only good at wedges, balls, and putters?? Talk about a generalizing, idiotic statement...unless you interviewed a bunch of them, it holds no merit, and no credible Titleist insider would ever say that, as it's simply not true. They make great equipment that's above average in virtually every category. You're full of BS.

 

BTW, don't ever change your avatar...it's very fitting and when I see it, I'll know to just keep scrolling.

 

Sorry to everyone else...back to topic

 

Wait, Titleist makes great wedges and putters.

[th6252]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

Not sure about M2 but these will help you:

 

 

 

[th6252]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

Not sure about M2 but these will help you:

 

 

 

 

Thanks for that, but I'm an idiot when it comes to deciphering these technical charts. The only thing I kind of understand is higher moi means more forgiving?

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

Not sure about M2 but these will help you:

 

 

 

 

Thanks for that, but I'm an idiot when it comes to deciphering these technical charts. The only thing I kind of understand is higher moi means more forgiving?

 

Correct

[BigHook25]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

After hitting the F6, LTD, and M2 in launch monitors, I found the F6 and M2 similar in forgiveness, just slightly more so than the LTD. The LTD is still very forgiving though. I agree that the LTD launched the lowest out of the three.

[Coheed]

915 FD 15* with Fujikura Rombax P95 stiff

[th6252]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

After hitting the F6, LTD, and M2 in launch monitors, I found the F6 and M2 similar in forgiveness, just slightly more so than the LTD. The LTD is still very forgiving though. I agree that the LTD launched the lowest out of the three.

 

Thanks for the feedback.

[1t2golf]

Topic cleaned up.

 

Personal attacks will not be allowed. Take it to PM if you want to continue insulting each other but do not do it publicly.

 

Keep responses on topic and civil.

 

Thanks.

[BackNineCollapse]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

Not sure about M2 but these will help you:

 

 

 

 

These charts are not from your 'insider sources' as you claimed in a post above that was deleted. They are stolen directly from another popular golf website (just as every other CG/MOI chart you've posted has been). These charts are very informative, and the site you took them from deserves credit for the effort that went into producing them.

[J_Birdie]

Alert High Swing Speed Players of Fairways: You must fight the distance crave!!!

 

It is fun to go 280 with my 3 wood, but rarely practical. 260 to a target, however, will yield you scores.

 

I get maxing out the distance if you can hit it consistently, but for most, this part of the bag is the toughest to get right.

 

I get maxing out the distance if you need extra yards, but if you are high swing speed... that shouldn't be an issue!

 

So... for the vast majority of the high swing speed players, take the ping g and anything else from this season to a grass range and hit them. If you can hit the M2 (or whatever) well and want the yardage, take it... but off grass I was mesmerized by how much easier the G was compared to the M2 and other offerings this year.

 

+15 yards in the trees isn't helping me vs -15 on target. I drive it about 300... how often do I need to go for the green from further than 260? Answer... never... if I'm that far my score almost always benefits from a layup. Even more important, whats that +15 if I roll every 10th one topped down the fairway? Cuz with the M2 that was my miss... thin or topped. The G felt borderline impossible to top, and when it was thin it just produced a low spinning and low launch bullet that still got out there about 250... That shot still helps me.

 

This is why I don't even carry a fairway wood lol. I can hit my 17* hybrid 260-270, and the shorter shaft is much more consistent

 

270? I feel inferior. Goddamn. I hit my 16* 250 and thought I was bombing

[th6252]

finally had a chance to demo the M2 (albeit indoors at golfsmith) and i gotta say, i was impressed. i have a king ltd 3/4 wood i'm currently deciding on whether to keep was starting to lean towards dropping it for the f6 for more ease of elevation. after hitting all 3 today, the f6 is the odd man out for me. for some reason, i just could not make consistent contact with it, and when i did, the results were inferior to the other 2...and i didn't find it any more forgiving(distance wise on mishits) than the ltd or m2.

my best average ballspeeds came with the m2, just a tick over the ltd, and my dispersion was a bit more consistent on average.

i think what i was most surprised about was the feel of the m2. i was shocked to find it felt/sounded somewhat soft/muted at impact. the reports that it feels "harsh" or "hard" are really surprising to me as i felt the complete opposite. last year's AB was definitely harsh feeling/sounding to me, but this is much different.

really pleasantly surprised, and this is someone who generally avoids TM metalwoods.

[BigHook25]

finally had a chance to demo the M2 (albeit indoors at golfsmith) and i gotta say, i was impressed. i have a king ltd 3/4 wood i'm currently deciding on whether to keep was starting to lean towards dropping it for the f6 for more ease of elevation. after hitting all 3 today, the f6 is the odd man out for me. for some reason, i just could not make consistent contact with it, and when i did, the results were inferior to the other 2...and i didn't find it any more forgiving(distance wise on mishits) than the ltd or m2.

my best average ballspeeds came with the m2, just a tick over the ltd, and my dispersion was a bit more consistent on average.

i think what i was most surprised about was the feel of the m2. i was shocked to find it felt/sounded somewhat soft/muted at impact. the reports that it feels "harsh" or "hard" are really surprising to me as i felt the complete opposite. last year's AB was definitely harsh feeling/sounding to me, but this is much different.

really pleasantly surprised, and this is someone who generally avoids TM metalwoods.

 

I'm with you, the M2 felt a lot nicer than I thought it would, and is very easy to hit. I'm a big Cobra fan and really liked the LTD and F6, and could easily play them, but I went with the M2. Not to mention lots of good no-cost shaft options from TM is a bonus.

[keith723]

finally had a chance to demo the M2 (albeit indoors at golfsmith) and i gotta say, i was impressed. i have a king ltd 3/4 wood i'm currently deciding on whether to keep was starting to lean towards dropping it for the f6 for more ease of elevation. after hitting all 3 today, the f6 is the odd man out for me. for some reason, i just could not make consistent contact with it, and when i did, the results were inferior to the other 2...and i didn't find it any more forgiving(distance wise on mishits) than the ltd or m2.

my best average ballspeeds came with the m2, just a tick over the ltd, and my dispersion was a bit more consistent on average.

i think what i was most surprised about was the feel of the m2. i was shocked to find it felt/sounded somewhat soft/muted at impact. the reports that it feels "harsh" or "hard" are really surprising to me as i felt the complete opposite. last year's AB was definitely harsh feeling/sounding to me, but this is much different.

really pleasantly surprised, and this is someone who generally avoids TM metalwoods.

 

I'm with you, the M2 felt a lot nicer than I thought it would, and is very easy to hit. I'm a big Cobra fan and really liked the LTD and F6, and could easily play them, but I went with the M2. Not to mention lots of good no-cost shaft options from TM is a bonus.

 

M2 feel really is superb (in an addicting sort of way), just like you both said, not harsh at all like past TM metal woods. I gamed it yesterday and it did not disappoint in either performance or feel...just a great fairway wood all the way around

[The Chicken Connoisseur]

Anyone have a chance to compare forgiveness between the M2, ltd and f6?

 

Picked up an ltd off the bst and initial impressions are that it's long, but launches kinda low. Currently playing and xhot 3w with the pxv pro shaft and the ltd seems to carry farther albeit on a lower trajectory. Seems to be as forgiving if not slightly more so than my xhot.

If the other 2 are equally hot but any more forgiving, then that might push me over the edge.

 

Not sure about M2 but these will help you:

 

 

 

 

These charts are not from your 'insider sources' as you claimed in a post above that was deleted. They are stolen directly from another popular golf website (just as every other CG/MOI chart you've posted has been). These charts are very informative, and the site you took them from deserves credit for the effort that went into producing them.

 

Yes, they are not. I only have those for drivers. They can be seen in a couple of the Cobra threads. I've never asked for fairway ones as I don't play a fairway wood myself

[boycer]

Hit the Ping g, xr 16, m2 tonight at the range. They didn't have cobra demos yet.

 

I hit the xr 3 wood with stiff Speeder first, nice straight high shots. It felt great as well and looked long. I had some tail windo but was hitting it past the 245 yard marker.

 

Next was the m2. It just didn't feel as good as the xr. I really struggled to even get a decent shot out of it. I grabbed the xr again to see if my swing changed or something.

 

Finally I ran back before it got dark and grabbed the Ping g. I admit I'm a sucker for ping. It just seemed to launch low with the stock shafts. I didn't get a chance to increase the loft. The shaft length also felt shorter then the xr and I believe it is. I did actually hit the 245 pole once with the G fairway. Now that is accuracy. Would like to try it with a rogue black or oban kiyoshi purple and at 15.5*.

[chair]

what is the best overall package for a 4 wood off the shelf??

 

I think it's the vapor fly - Real Diamana Blueboard 17 deg loft, nice big head - great off the tee and deck....

 

So far it's the leader for me.

[JourdanM]

what is the best overall package for a 4 wood off the shelf??

 

I think it's the vapor fly - Real Diamana Blueboard 17 deg loft, nice big head - great off the tee and deck....

 

So far it's the leader for me.

 

XR 16 4w speeder shaft. Money.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

XR 16 5 wood today was 14.5 launch 3600 spin and 150ball speed for a nice easy 270 on FS. Diamana D+ 70x standard length tipped at 0.75

[C_rad]

Damn you golfwrx. And me who was in love with my 915f. Now i have to try these.

[golf9596]

Have the M1 and its ok. Went old school and picked up a RBZ tour 15.8* with a speed 6.2 and its money. Small head works for me better off the deck and its very long off the tee. Sometimes new isn't better. LOL

[vonasemj]

This threads not helping me. I have three fairways I picked up used and I only have room for one in my bag. Now I want to go test out three more.

[Boricua Golf]

I play the XHot Pro 17* (yes 2013 version) fitted with a Diamana WB D+ 82X at 42.75" tipped .25", straight beast, but a the Gear Trials I was able to hit the XR16 Pro 4W and OMG this thing is amazing, surprisingly forgiving, long and just nice to look at...but I am a Callaway guy so I could be a bit biased...lol, I think the Ping G, Cobra LTD Pro and Fly Z, 915F and he Big Bertha are amongst the best out on the market right now...my humble .02