Thrift Store Jackpot

[BIG STU]

41 minutes ago, ezgoer said:

Barely know my Wilson putter identification. Is this “THE” DBAP or a later rerelease? If it’s an early one HOLY HANNA you hit the jackpot!!! 

Not sure on DBAP myself but it would have to be early because of the AP signature. AP left Wilson in like the 62 64 time frame

[Shallowface]

19 hours ago, bottles said:

Found this classic Wilson designed by Arnold Palmer at a thrift store here in Oz. Never find much over here so was over the moon to pick this up

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That's the real deal.  What a find!!!

[BIG STU]

On 7/21/2024 at 1:37 AM, bcstones said:

I know what you mean about not taking in anymore clubs....I wish I had only 50 sets. Sometimes it's just the "feel" when you pick up an iron or wood, it just oozes "play me, I'm good"...happened to me when I came across a set of FG17's that I'd forgotten I had....

Wait a minute! "Wilson Gooseneck top Notch"?!! From the late 1940s? Yeah, I'd be sure to pick those up....I have a set of the '88 Gooseneck that need to find a good home (have a set of the same clubheads that I'll build up someday before I hit the 19th hole in the afterlife 🤣)

I can relate to "forgetting" stuff. It has gotten bad with me not only because of age but I think from the concussion I suffered along with the other injuries in my accident. My wife swears I hit my head harder than the Docs think. In retrospect I have a dissociative eye thing going too which the neurologists say is a direct result of my concussion. That comes and goes. Simply some days I think like on a putt I am aiming on line and I will be off on the aim. Same with regular shots. On that it is intermittent some days good some bad. I have learned somewhat to adjust for it.

I remember when I cleaned out the building across the road with 20 years of stuff in it there was stuff (golf and non golf related) I had forgotten that I had. Before my accident I could tell you everything in that building and where it was at

[bcstones]

4 hours ago, BIG STU said:

I can relate to "forgetting" stuff. It has gotten bad with me not only because of age but I think from the concussion I suffered along with the other injuries in my accident. My wife swears I hit my head harder than the Docs think. In retrospect I have a dissociative eye thing going too which the neurologists say is a direct result of my concussion. That comes and goes. Simply some days I think like on a putt I am aiming on line and I will be off on the aim. Same with regular shots. On that it is intermittent some days good some bad. I have learned somewhat to adjust for it.

I remember when I cleaned out the building across the road with 20 years of stuff in it there was stuff (golf and non golf related) I had forgotten that I had. Before my accident I could tell you everything in that building and where it was at

I think Hogan had similar sight problem after his accident...in an interview after his death, his wife said it was not the "yips", his sight would go unclear & he'd wait, over the ball, till his sight cleared, then putted.
You're still playing golf....and that's a great thing

[Maine Golfer]

22 minutes ago, bcstones said:

You're still playing golf....and that's a great thing

the enjoyment of the game is what maters. Be single digit , be 30+. Be old , be young. Play new stuff, play old stuff. Just be thankful for what you got. 

 

 

[bcstones]

found this at a near-by GW store - Ben Hogan, Special SI BeCu.....had two spots of that green residue stuff, came off w/a wee bit of PB-Blaster on a fine copper welding brush & 0000 steel wool. Is pinned, has simple black ferrule, no shaft band & an after-market Golf Pride Wrap grip. ($4.15...had a discount cuz I"m an old coot)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2024 by bcstones

[Joe85]

On 7/28/2024 at 2:20 AM, ezgoer said:

Barely know my Wilson putter identification. Is this “THE” DBAP or a later rerelease? If it’s an early one HOLY HANNA you hit the jackpot!!! 

 

Always wondered how you can tell. What's the really identifier on the rare ones? 

[ezgoer]

1 hour ago, Joe85 said:

 

Always wondered how you can tell. What's the really identifier on the rare ones? 

I barely know the identifier’s especially these.

Brother Shallowface was the identifier maybe he can fill us in. 
 

Brother BIG STU brought up the point of AP leaving Wilson in early 60’s. Must have been right after it was released. Suppose like TA and Mac they lost his naming rights. I always thought the script and stamping looked too elaborate, clean, more modern-ish. Not like that was the Stone Age so…

 

Only things I have learned you can’t tell in the picture cuz of the price tag covering the Wilson and no shaft is pictured.

Dead give away of reproduction’s notice the break in the cursive flow between s & o in Wilson. Turfrider dual wedge is original. 

Also this is an early 60’s triple duty wedge shaft. The Christmas tree. I’m told this is the shaft label on an original 8802 putter so if you find one of them with an original leather putting grip you’ve struck gold.  I’m assuming since the DBAP was first (right??) it may have had this label. Not positive if this applies though.

Edited July 31, 2024 by ezgoer

[Stephen8802]

1 hour ago, Joe85 said:

 

Always wondered how you can tell. What's the really identifier on the rare ones? 

The 1964 8802 is a lot harder to identify, but the Palmer is easy. In the picture below, the one without the Designed By is a 1962, the one that says Designed By is a 1963. Both of these putters are great and sought after, but the '63 is probably slightly preferred because of the extra words. If it says Wilson, has Palmer on it, and looks like this putter, it is the real deal. If it says Original on it and doesn't say Wilson, it is a later putter from a different company and feels completely different. The later copies are the same shape and fine putters, but they don't have the feel.

 

Palmer left Wilson in 1963, so they renamed the leftover putter heads the 8802, and that version is also highly sought after. It is also my favorite club out of the 1,000 I own. That '64 8802 was replaced by the 8813 in 1965, which added the sight line and changed the shaft from the famed Head Speed shaft with a Christmas Tree band. I have both the reverse stamp 8813 and 345 8813, the models that followed the DPAP/8802. They are great putters, but nothing feels like the original.

[BIG STU]

21 hours ago, bcstones said:

found this at a near-by GW store - Ben Hogan, Special SI BeCu.....had two spots of that green residue stuff, came off w/a wee bit of PB-Blaster on a fine copper welding brush & 0000 steel wool. Is pinned, has simple black ferrule, no shaft band & an after-market Golf Pride Wrap grip. ($4.15...had a discount cuz I"m an old coot)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do yourself a fun favor. Go to your practice area and hit a Balata ball or a wound ball with that thing and watch it go ZIIIIIP! If you do not have one of those animals use a Modern Srixon Soft Feel or Callaway Super Soft not as effective as an old wound or balata ball but you will see the effects. Those old wedges will spin a ball

[BIG STU]

7 hours ago, Stephen8802 said:

The 1964 8802 is a lot harder to identify, but the Palmer is easy. In the picture below, the one without the Designed By is a 1962, the one that says Designed By is a 1963. Both of these putters are great and sought after, but the '63 is probably slightly preferred because of the extra words. If it says Wilson, has Palmer on it, and looks like this putter, it is the real deal. If it says Original on it and doesn't say Wilson, it is a later putter from a different company and feels completely different. The later copies are the same shape and fine putters, but they don't have the feel.

 

Palmer left Wilson in 1963, so they renamed the leftover putter heads the 8802, and that version is also highly sought after. It is also my favorite club out of the 1,000 I own. That '64 8802 was replaced by the 8813 in 1965, which added the sight line and changed the shaft from the famed Head Speed shaft with a Christmas Tree band. I have both the reverse stamp 8813 and 345 8813, the models that followed the DPAP/8802. They are great putters, but nothing feels like the original.

Maybe with you being an 8802/Wilso guru maybe you can elaborate or dispute this urban legend.

I have read and heard many years ago that there was batch of 8802s made in the 60s that had an unique feel compared to others. I do know that they used mixed metals in the forging process and no one is sure what blends went into those. I was also told that there were no distinguishing marks to tell them from any other batches made in those years. I do not believe no one knows what actual year they were made. I have been told if you have one and are basically an 8802 guy you will know by the feel. Like I said in the beginning it may be an Urban Legend

[bcstones]

13 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

Do yourself a fun favor. Go to your practice area and hit a Balata ball or a wound ball with that thing and watch it go ZIIIIIP! If you do not have one of those animals use a Modern Srixon Soft Feel or Callaway Super Soft not as effective as an old wound or balata ball but you will see the effects. Those old wedges will spin a ball

Thanks...I even have another becu Special SI and a becu Special LW (60 on the sole)....I gotta get back in shape, see the Doc at the VA tomorrow. OT cleared me to start swinging again, final say so is Doc (actually a fantastic Nurse Practicioner)

[Stephen8802]

@BIG STU, It's simpler and less mysterious than that. The DBAP and 1964 8802 were all the same heads made with the same metal and the same shafts. The Palmer had a better grip, but the rest was the same. There are no official versions of what they were made out of, but I have read, from some people who would know, that the rumors of are true, they were made out of a mix of scrap metal that wasn't duplicated with later clubs. Some people think it was the metal, some people think it was the shaft, some people think it was the combination of the two, but the feel is different. If you know what you are looking for, it isn't hard to identify these putters, they are a different shape and a different chrome than later models. But, if you aren't really familiar with the club, they probably all look alike.

 

By 1965, the 8802 disappeared from the catalogs and was replaced by the 8813. The Maltby book also shows this. The 8813 goes through the rest of the 60s and then the 8802 re-appears in black (black chrome in pro shops and black paint in retail) in 1970. None of the catalogs show the bottoms on the 8813s, buy my guess is that the reverse stamp 8813 was the first, then the 345/355 8813s, then the black versions in 1970 along with the re-introduced 8802. I was born in 1966, so I didn't live through this myself, but my guess is that better players preferred the feel of the original heads, making the short-run 8802 and the DBAPs collector's items, so Wilson brought it back to capitalize on the popularity. But it never felt the same. I had a black painted 8802 and hated it. The 70s 8802s were ok, the early 80s 8802s were awful, and then they started making better ones again and still do.

 

I have 30 or so putters behind me in my office, including a bunch or Iron Masters (two with pyratone shafts), a bunch of Wilsons, and some really nice knock offs. I putt with them on a regular basis and the '64 8802 is the best feeling putter of the bunch. I putt better with my 345 8813, and the feel of my Designed by Crenshaw is really close, if not just as good, to the '64, but noting I've ever rolled a ball with has a better feel than that original 8802.

 

Personally, I don't care if it is the metal, the shaft, or both. I just like to putt with that club. It has been with me since the early '80s and my kids can do what they want with it when the settle my estate.

[bcstones]

@Stephen8802  just wondering...where does the 8801 or the 8806 or the 355/8833 or the 8840 fit into the Wilson lineup, or when? 

btw...do you know what the "88xx" means?

Edited August 1, 2024 by bcstones

[weakputt]

12 hours ago, Stephen8802 said:

@BIG STU, It's simpler and less mysterious than that. The DBAP and 1964 8802 were all the same heads made with the same metal and the same shafts. The Palmer had a better grip, but the rest was the same. There are no official versions of what they were made out of, but I have read, from some people who would know, that the rumors of are true, they were made out of a mix of scrap metal that wasn't duplicated with later clubs. Some people think it was the metal, some people think it was the shaft, some people think it was the combination of the two, but the feel is different. If you know what you are looking for, it isn't hard to identify these putters, they are a different shape and a different chrome than later models. But, if you aren't really familiar with the club, they probably all look alike.

 

By 1965, the 8802 disappeared from the catalogs and was replaced by the 8813. The Maltby book also shows this. The 8813 goes through the rest of the 60s and then the 8802 re-appears in black (black chrome in pro shops and black paint in retail) in 1970. None of the catalogs show the bottoms on the 8813s, buy my guess is that the reverse stamp 8813 was the first, then the 345/355 8813s, then the black versions in 1970 along with the re-introduced 8802. I was born in 1966, so I didn't live through this myself, but my guess is that better players preferred the feel of the original heads, making the short-run 8802 and the DBAPs collector's items, so Wilson brought it back to capitalize on the popularity. But it never felt the same. I had a black painted 8802 and hated it. The 70s 8802s were ok, the early 80s 8802s were awful, and then they started making better ones again and still do.

 

I have 30 or so putters behind me in my office, including a bunch or Iron Masters (two with pyratone shafts), a bunch of Wilsons, and some really nice knock offs. I putt with them on a regular basis and the '64 8802 is the best feeling putter of the bunch. I putt better with my 345 8813, and the feel of my Designed by Crenshaw is really close, if not just as good, to the '64, but noting I've ever rolled a ball with has a better feel than that original 8802.

 

Personally, I don't care if it is the metal, the shaft, or both. I just like to putt with that club. It has been with me since the early '80s and my kids can do what they want with it when the settle my estate.

I believe I have one of those 1970's black painted 355 - 8813 putters. W/S Shield end cap.

Does the 355 indicate length, 35.5"?

I also have a later date (not 1965) 8813 with a single sight dot, s/o script does not connect and is not reverse stamped. And idea on year introduced or if it was made in the UK?

Fluted shafts and shaft labels are the same, but I can not read the labels.

[Stephen8802]

4 hours ago, weakputt said:

I believe I have one of those 1970's black painted 355 - 8813 putters. W/S Shield end cap.

Does the 355 indicate length, 35.5"?

I also have a later date (not 1965) 8813 with a single sight dot, s/o script does not connect and is not reverse stamped. And idea on year introduced or if it was made in the UK?

Fluted shafts and shaft labels are the same, but I can not read the labels.

 

That black 8813 is nice, puts it at 1970/71 time frame.

 

Yes, 355 is 35.5 inches, 345 is 34.5 inches.

 

The dot 8813 was made outside of the U.S. I've read Scotland, UK, and Australia. I also suspect Canada. I have the exact same one, same paint fill, same lettering. I love that putter, they are rare gems. I don't know the years on the dot 8813s.

 

 

[bogieboy]

I know it isnt vintage... but... i think i did pretty good today... 

[bogieboy]

Well... that Ping isnt going in the bag... didnt matter what setting it was on, consistent 30 yd slice, or 40 yd duck hook, with an occasional straight ball that is about 15 yds shorter than my 2016 big bertha fusion which is far more consistent for me.... 

[AdamMH]

16 hours ago, bogieboy said:

Well... that Ping isnt going in the bag... didnt matter what setting it was on, consistent 30 yd slice, or 40 yd duck hook, with an occasional straight ball that is about 15 yds shorter than my 2016 big bertha fusion which is far more consistent for me.... 

 

I think I know why...

 

... It's missing one of the tungsten sole weights. I imagine it feels really light?

[bogieboy]

4 hours ago, AdamMH said:

 

I think I know why...

 

... It's missing one of the tungsten sole weights. I imagine it feels really light?

Not really.... if anything that should make it tend to only draw? Or would it only slice... i forget what toe weight does... i thought it helped the head turn over, it didnt feel any lighter than my 16 big bertha fusion with an 8g weight and a 44.25" playing length, vs the ping playing 45"... 

[@_the_crook]

On 7/31/2024 at 5:26 PM, Stephen8802 said:

@BIG STU, It's simpler and less mysterious than that. The DBAP and 1964 8802 were all the same heads made with the same metal and the same shafts. The Palmer had a better grip, but the rest was the same. There are no official versions of what they were made out of, but I have read, from some people who would know, that the rumors of are true, they were made out of a mix of scrap metal that wasn't duplicated with later clubs. Some people think it was the metal, some people think it was the shaft, some people think it was the combination of the two, but the feel is different. If you know what you are looking for, it isn't hard to identify these putters, they are a different shape and a different chrome than later models. But, if you aren't really familiar with the club, they probably all look alike.

 

By 1965, the 8802 disappeared from the catalogs and was replaced by the 8813. The Maltby book also shows this. The 8813 goes through the rest of the 60s and then the 8802 re-appears in black (black chrome in pro shops and black paint in retail) in 1970. None of the catalogs show the bottoms on the 8813s, buy my guess is that the reverse stamp 8813 was the first, then the 345/355 8813s, then the black versions in 1970 along with the re-introduced 8802. I was born in 1966, so I didn't live through this myself, but my guess is that better players preferred the feel of the original heads, making the short-run 8802 and the DBAPs collector's items, so Wilson brought it back to capitalize on the popularity. But it never felt the same. I had a black painted 8802 and hated it. The 70s 8802s were ok, the early 80s 8802s were awful, and then they started making better ones again and still do.

 

I have 30 or so putters behind me in my office, including a bunch or Iron Masters (two with pyratone shafts), a bunch of Wilsons, and some really nice knock offs. I putt with them on a regular basis and the '64 8802 is the best feeling putter of the bunch. I putt better with my 345 8813, and the feel of my Designed by Crenshaw is really close, if not just as good, to the '64, but noting I've ever rolled a ball with has a better feel than that original 8802.

 

Personally, I don't care if it is the metal, the shaft, or both. I just like to putt with that club. It has been with me since the early '80s and my kids can do what they want with it when the settle my estate.

Don't mean to hijack the thread but have a question.

Any idea when this AP was made?

 

 

[Stephen8802]

8 minutes ago, @_the_crook said:

Don't mean to hijack the thread but have a question.

Any idea when this AP was made?

Progroup started making them in 1980. I'm not sure when they stopped, but at least through the decade.

[Shallowface]

7 hours ago, @_the_crook said:

Don't mean to hijack the thread but have a question.

Any idea when this AP was made?

 

 

First, I don't believe anyone here cares about hijacking a thread.  Especially this one.  If it's an offense, I may be the worst about it.

 

But honestly, don't verbal conversations take all kinds of twists and turns from the original subject?

 

Back to the putter. Callaway marketed the last of these after they signed Palmer in the late 90s or so.  The deal that led to the infamous Golf Channel interview with Peter Kessler over a non-conforming driver they were attempting to sell.  

 

I don't know if any of the stampings changed much over that time, if at all, so it's probably pretty difficult to know exactly when an individual putter was made over a 20 year period.  Perhaps slight changes in grip models or shaft labels, if there were such, could offer more help if one had that information.

Edited August 9, 2024 by Shallowface

[Mr. Clean]

 

Picked up a Hagen Iron Man, can’t use it as I am left handed.  It’s crazy cool and heavy, off the SW scale 🤣 it’s weighs a “t” in the Golfsmith Logo 👈🏼

[@_the_crook]

6 hours ago, Shallowface said:

First, I don't believe anyone here cares about hijacking a thread.  Especially this one.  If it's an offense, I may be the worst about it.

 

But honestly, don't verbal conversations take all kinds of twists and turns from the original subject?

 

Back to the putter. Callaway marketed the last of these after they signed Palmer in the late 90s or so.  The deal that led to the infamous Golf Channel interview with Peter Kessler over a non-conforming driver they were attempting to sell.  

 

I don't know if any of the stampings changed much over that time, if at all, so it's probably pretty difficult to know exactly when an individual putter was made over a 20 year period.  Perhaps slight changes in grip models or shaft labels, if there were such, could offer more help if one had that information.

I bought the head, unmounted and still in the plastic. added my own shaft and grip. it's now a sweet looking stick.

 

 

[Swingingk]

On 7/26/2024 at 12:19 PM, ezgoer said:

$2.99 thrift find I’ve had for a few years……

 

Fresh out of the spa. Additional $70 but just about my personal definition of fairway wood perfection. The oil hardened stamp on sole couldn’t be saved. I’ve been saving this for whenever I finally get around to DIYing my own stuff. Figured since I’m losing my local guy to retirement this would be worthy of his attention vs my possible hack job. 

Those old M75W's are wonderful sticks, especially the 4-woods.  I'm not sure why the 4's are so great but I've had several and they just are.  😁

[tripanfal]

This putter is pretty great and I had never heard of it (The only Daiwa product I think I have owned was a home stereo?)- I have a couple B60/61s and I really like the design for slick greens plus I am always interested in trying out brands I have never seen before so I snagged this for 99 cents. The ProBalance branding is no bs, it feels incredibly nice and stable for me through the swing it’s kind of amazing (if my pics doesn’t show it well, the toe is maybe 1/6th wider top down than the heel.)

Edited August 24, 2024 by tripanfal

[northplatteriver]

On 8/9/2024 at 8:27 AM, Mr. Clean said:

 

Picked up a Hagen Iron Man, can’t use it as I am left handed.  It’s crazy cool and heavy, off the SW scale 🤣 it’s weighs a “t” in the Golfsmith Logo 👈🏼

Wow, that is a crazy thrift store find!  Very lucky man!

[ezgoer]

1 hour ago, tripanfal said:

This putter is pretty great and I had never heard of it (The only Daiwa product I think I have owned was a home stereo?)- I have a couple B60/61s and I really like the design for slick greens plus I am always interested in trying out brands I have never seen before so I snagged this for 99 cents. The ProBalance branding is no bs, it feels incredibly nice and stable for me through the swing it’s kind of amazing (if my pics doesn’t show it well, the toe is maybe 1/6th wider top down than the heel.)

Oddly enough Daiwa used to be pretty popular about 1990 give or take. I never have had any. Couldn’t afford em then cuz we’re pretty high end. Kinda early days of graphite shafted everything, some multi material/composite tech if I remember right. Bet they were popular with senior and ladies golfers. Think I just heard Tiger even played Daiwa irons at some point early on. Who knows probably a hand me down 80’s set from his pops.

 

Wonder at what age people started lining up to give him clubs???

Edited August 24, 2024 by ezgoer

[JimmyC59]

20 hours ago, Swingingk said:

Those old M75W's are wonderful sticks, especially the 4-woods.  I'm not sure why the 4's are so great but I've had several and they just are.  😁

Beautiful!