Streamsong Conditions?

[mwmgolfx]

I've played Streamsong a number of times (living in Florida really helps). Also played Bandon, Whistling Straits, Pinehurst, Pebble, And of course St. Andrews. So i've got some comparisons. Streamsong courses are great courses and are most assuredly not like anythiing else in Florida. Personally I think they're better than anything (public) in Florida except Sawgrass. Blue course is more strategic than one would think. To score well on that course requires accurate placement and careful approaches to right places on the greens. Lots of room for anyone but to get it close easily and score, requires some thought. Red is much more visually spectacular, no question. Blue is much more subtle.

 

But, and this is where the controversy comes in. Are they worth the money and is the service and amenities worth it? In my opinion and in the opinion of most everyone that I've talked to about the courses, NO, definitely not worth the money. Food is seriously overpriced and not of the quality considering the price. Caddies are a real mixed bag. A number are exceptional but many are nothing more than bag carriers and ball spotters. Little REAL caddy skills like reading greens accurately or knowing correct shots and club recommendations.

 

Staff can be very arrogant and obnoxious at times. And actually the driving range is really too small and short. Played with several people that couldn't hit anything more than 5 wood or hybrid because they kept driving the ball over the end of the range. And a couple of times i was there, the range was totally out of spaces for people to hit.. For all the space and open land that they have, that is just plain dumb. Could have huge range without restrictions easily enough. Is range adequate for most things, yes, but it could be a lot better and seems restricted unnecessarily.

 

And do they have some silly rules. Of course. Won't take Single reservations at times (played with person from China that couldn't get a tee time because they wouldn't take singles). Treat handicapped (restricted walking people) poorly.

 

But are they worth playing once. ABSOLUTELY. No question in my mind that they are top 30 courses (Public). And can be a lot of fun to play. But pricing is such that it seems that they really only want upper income (like Trump courses a lot).

 

But given a choice between Bandon and them, Bandon beats them out all over because of the difference in way staff treats people and overall pricing. Bandon is expensive but not as outrageously and food is reasonable cost. Caddies are way superior at Bandon (not all of course but overall quality is better. Too many bag carriers at Streamsong).

[talent101]

Overall pricing at bandon I'm sorry is now sky high . When I first went it was obviously Bandon and than pacific. Prices go up I get but bandon is now in the same mold price wise.

 

I do agree stream song while very good is out of the ordinary golfers price range and honestly not worth the charges fare.

[dhc1]

You have obviously never played Pacific Dunes...

 

 

Streamsong appeals to those that have a true interest in golf course architecture and strategic course design. I personally love it there, but it is clearly not for everyone.

 

The retail golfer often doesn't appreciate subtle course architecture and is more focused on what their warped view of good conditioning is (green and lush) and the scenery around the perimeter of the course (no oceans at Streamsong). Streamsong is not really the place for the retail golfer.

 

With due respect, I think the strategy element of Doak courses are vastly over-stated.

 

Having different strategies from either side of the fairway doesn't mean that much when there are 100 yard wide landing areas. I think it's great for resort-type golf that Doak specializes in but I get tired of hearing how "strategic" he is. Doesn't mean that his courses aren't very good (and Blue is a very good resort course that's a lot of fun to play) and that he isn't a very good architect but he's over-rated with the adoration he receives.

 

Sorry for the Doak soapbox - I feel differently about the Red course and C&C (it's more strategic).

 

I have played it dozens of time.

[Chilidog]

How in the world would you call PD a resort course and not strategic?? There are about 12 different options on every hole of how to approach it. If anything, you better be on your game from a strategic standpoint in order to get the ball in the hole.

[Capitalist!]

I've played Streamsong a number of times (living in Florida really helps). Also played Bandon, Whistling Straits, Pinehurst, Pebble, And of course St. Andrews. So i've got some comparisons. Streamsong courses are great courses and are most assuredly not like anythiing else in Florida. Personally I think they're better than anything (public) in Florida except Sawgrass. Blue course is more strategic than one would think. To score well on that course requires accurate placement and careful approaches to right places on the greens. Lots of room for anyone but to get it close easily and score, requires some thought. Red is much more visually spectacular, no question. Blue is much more subtle.

 

But, and this is where the controversy comes in. Are they worth the money and is the service and amenities worth it? In my opinion and in the opinion of most everyone that I've talked to about the courses, NO, definitely not worth the money. Food is seriously overpriced and not of the quality considering the price. Caddies are a real mixed bag. A number are exceptional but many are nothing more than bag carriers and ball spotters. Little REAL caddy skills like reading greens accurately or knowing correct shots and club recommendations.

 

Staff can be very arrogant and obnoxious at times. And actually the driving range is really too small and short. Played with several people that couldn't hit anything more than 5 wood or hybrid because they kept driving the ball over the end of the range. And a couple of times i was there, the range was totally out of spaces for people to hit.. For all the space and open land that they have, that is just plain dumb. Could have huge range without restrictions easily enough. Is range adequate for most things, yes, but it could be a lot better and seems restricted unnecessarily.

 

And do they have some silly rules. Of course. Won't take Single reservations at times (played with person from China that couldn't get a tee time because they wouldn't take singles). Treat handicapped (restricted walking people) poorly.

 

But are they worth playing once. ABSOLUTELY. No question in my mind that they are top 30 courses (Public). And can be a lot of fun to play. But pricing is such that it seems that they really only want upper income (like Trump courses a lot).

 

But given a choice between Bandon and them, Bandon beats them out all over because of the difference in way staff treats people and overall pricing. Bandon is expensive but not as outrageously and food is reasonable cost. Caddies are way superior at Bandon (not all of course but overall quality is better. Too many bag carriers at Streamsong).

 

Very similar to my observation, a bit softer on the delivery...

[gregflat9]

I have read the same elsewhere... Over priced and very poor service and "never going back".

 

I'll reserve judgement but what was once a must play is not even on the list. World Woods it is.

[CDM]

I concur with MWMGOLFX. I played there as a day visitor and the course(s) are good, not great, but very good. Prices charge is not up to par in my humble opinion.

 

Would I go back....probably not. Our group thought about it this year as some have not been, but "resort" service issues on booking "soured" the whole deal. 2 weeks will be in Michigan to play Tulleymore, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs and one other private course. I having a feeling it will be as good if not better and WAY better value.

 

I should note I had a great experience with the golf staff, as others note the "resort"....yea not so much. Now it could have been because I was not staying there only playing golf that day, but either way they were not helpful / friendly.

 

Edit: I did play as a single and it was not a problem so not sure if they have changed the policy now..

[dhc1]

How in the world would you call PD a resort course and not strategic?? There are about 12 different options on every hole of how to approach it. If anything, you better be on your game from a strategic standpoint in order to get the ball in the hole.

 

Because it is a quintessential resort course: when one says,"there are 12 ways to play a hole" that screams to me that precision isn't required. Are there spots that offer better opportunities for birdies? Sure but pars are frequently available from terrible drives/shots.

 

Don't get me wrong: I love Bandon resort and think both the scenery and experience are great but PD is not a place where I feel anyone has to be on top of their game to score particularly well. I think that if it was my home course, i would get crushed when I travel due to a overly low handicap. YMMV.

[Chilidog]

I'm positive that we won't agree on anything in life if you think PD is a resort course...and thinking you can make easy pars off bad shots. I'm scratch and have shot 73 for a low and 78 for a high on that course.

 

How in the world would you call PD a resort course and not strategic?? There are about 12 different options on every hole of how to approach it. If anything, you better be on your game from a strategic standpoint in order to get the ball in the hole.

 

Because it is a quintessential resort course: when one says,"there are 12 ways to play a hole" that screams to me that precision isn't required. Are there spots that offer better opportunities for birdies? Sure but pars are frequently available from terrible drives/shots.

 

Don't get me wrong: I love Bandon resort and think both the scenery and experience are great but PD is not a place where I feel anyone has to be on top of their game to score particularly well. I think that if it was my home course, i would get crushed when I travel due to a overly low handicap. YMMV.

[Chilidog]

Also, add into the mix that the wind at PD is typically constant 10-20 mph and I can't fathom how you find that course easy.

[dhc1]

I don't care whether you and I agree on anything in life. I have often found hardcore Doak fans to be sanctimonious in their snobbery and often refuse to acknowledge the validity of opinions that differ from their own. Quite frankly, doak comes off that way as well.

 

IIRC, isn't PD's rating below par from the second set of tees? If so, scratch players are expected to shoot below par but apparently you fail to do so or you only play from the tips.

[Chilidog]

1) I do play from the tips often times unless it is over 7200 yards for the most part. Most scratch players do.

2) Pretty much every golf course review ranks this as one of the top courses in the world but you are right, the rest of us are all sanctimonious and crazy.

 

I don't care whether you and I agree on anything in life. I have often found hardcore Doak fans to be sanctimonious in their snobbery and often refuse to acknowledge the validity of opinions that differ from their own. Quite frankly, doak comes off that way as well.

 

IIRC, isn't PD's rating below par from the second set of tees? If so, scratch players are expected to shoot below par but apparently you fail to do so or you only play from the tips.

[b.helts]

Threadjack: the practice green doesn't have holes in it?

 

On purpose? Does anyone know the reasoning behind that?

 

Never heard of that before.

 

Thank you, my threadjack is now over.

 

I live in California.

[dhc1]

1) I do play from the tips often times unless it is over 7200 yards for the most part. Most scratch players do.

2) Pretty much every golf course review ranks this as one of the top courses in the world but you are right, the rest of us are all sanctimonious and crazy.

 

Your post practically defines sanctimony (you're both a scratch player and a spokesperson for consensual golf reviews!) IMO. Conversely, I have no problem with people who strongly disagree with my opinions as long as they aren't disagreeable/sanctimonious.

 

I'd also be interested in having you point out where I said that PD is not a very good course; i do recall saying that it's a resort course in a spectacular setting (which are allowed to be, and often are, highly ranked) and that I always enjoy playing it among the other fine courses at Bandon (some of which I prefer to PD). Apparently, my opinion that Doak courses generally, and PD in particular, are over-rated in terms of strategy is worthy of your derision as opposed to simple disagreement. i'd guess that many of the posters on Golf Club Atlas agree strongly with you.

 

It is the internet so I guess it's to be expected.

[EKELLY]

Every iconic course I've ever played has left me with a "what's the big deal?". And I've played Shinnecock, Winged Foot, Pebble, etc. I grew up on Bethpage Black, and still don't see the BIG deal people make of it...LOL.....And I've shot in the 60's there dozens of times from the tips.....We all have opinions about golf courses. These days it's still 18 holes in the ground with a flag in them. I don't play golf to take pictures of the scenery, or marvel at the golf course. It's just a golf course. Play golf, and who cares about those that brag about where they've been. I played #2 a few hundred times for $18 dollars. Next month I'll pay 250........still love it!!....It's just a golf course....

[Capitalist!]

Threadjack: the practice green doesn't have holes in it?

 

On purpose? Does anyone know the reasoning behind that?

 

Never heard of that before.

 

Thank you, my threadjack is now over.

 

I live in California.

 

Yes... No holes...

 

I have seen that 2-3 other times... They claim it is a maintenance issue...

 

To me it is lazy and I don't like it....

[Chilidog]

I'm starting to question whether you are simply a troll on here. Nothing of what I said was sanctimonious. Would you rather I lied and said that I didn't play from the tips most of the time? Would that make you feel better.

 

And I guess they held and are holding two of the top amateur tournaments in the world on two of Doak's courses at PD and Streamsong because it is such a plain and simple resort course.

 

1) I do play from the tips often times unless it is over 7200 yards for the most part. Most scratch players do.

2) Pretty much every golf course review ranks this as one of the top courses in the world but you are right, the rest of us are all sanctimonious and crazy.

 

Your post practically defines sanctimony (you're both a scratch player and a spokesperson for consensual golf reviews!) IMO. Conversely, I have no problem with people who strongly disagree with my opinions as long as they aren't disagreeable/sanctimonious.

 

I'd also be interested in having you point out where I said that PD is not a very good course; i do recall saying that it's a resort course in a spectacular setting (which are allowed to be, and often are, highly ranked) and that I always enjoy playing it among the other fine courses at Bandon (some of which I prefer to PD). Apparently, my opinion that Doak courses generally, and PD in particular, are over-rated in terms of strategy is worthy of your derision as opposed to simple disagreement. i'd guess that many of the posters on Golf Club Atlas agree strongly with you.

 

It is the internet so I guess it's to be expected.

[EKELLY]

I've played Streamsong a number of times (living in Florida really helps). Also played Bandon, Whistling Straits, Pinehurst, Pebble, And of course St. Andrews. So i've got some comparisons. Streamsong courses are great courses and are most assuredly not like anythiing else in Florida. Personally I think they're better than anything (public) in Florida except Sawgrass. Blue course is more strategic than one would think. To score well on that course requires accurate placement and careful approaches to right places on the greens. Lots of room for anyone but to get it close easily and score, requires some thought. Red is much more visually spectacular, no question. Blue is much more subtle.

 

But, and this is where the controversy comes in. Are they worth the money and is the service and amenities worth it? In my opinion and in the opinion of most everyone that I've talked to about the courses, NO, definitely not worth the money. Food is seriously overpriced and not of the quality considering the price. Caddies are a real mixed bag. A number are exceptional but many are nothing more than bag carriers and ball spotters. Little REAL caddy skills like reading greens accurately or knowing correct shots and club recommendations.

 

Staff can be very arrogant and obnoxious at times. And actually the driving range is really too small and short. Played with several people that couldn't hit anything more than 5 wood or hybrid because they kept driving the ball over the end of the range. And a couple of times i was there, the range was totally out of spaces for people to hit.. For all the space and open land that they have, that is just plain dumb. Could have huge range without restrictions easily enough. Is range adequate for most things, yes, but it could be a lot better and seems restricted unnecessarily.

 

And do they have some silly rules. Of course. Won't take Single reservations at times (played with person from China that couldn't get a tee time because they wouldn't take singles). Treat handicapped (restricted walking people) poorly.

 

But are they worth playing once. ABSOLUTELY. No question in my mind that they are top 30 courses (Public). And can be a lot of fun to play. But pricing is such that it seems that they really only want upper income (like Trump courses a lot).

 

But given a choice between Bandon and them, Bandon beats them out all over because of the difference in way staff treats people and overall pricing. Bandon is expensive but not as outrageously and food is reasonable cost. Caddies are way superior at Bandon (not all of course but overall quality is better. Too many bag carriers at Streamsong).

Caddies are a dime a dozen. I've been to Pine Valley several times and it was a disaster, caddy wise. Same with Oak Hill, you just never know what you're getting..... Caddies are seasonal at Streamsong, and they have several top notch guys, but also some guys just carrying the bag.........Can't imagine doing it in Florida in the summer.....Ask for Victor, he's the man!!.....

[Edinburghgolfer]

I've played Streamsong a number of times (living in Florida really helps). Also played Bandon, Whistling Straits, Pinehurst, Pebble, And of course St. Andrews. So i've got some comparisons. Streamsong courses are great courses and are most assuredly not like anythiing else in Florida. Personally I think they're better than anything (public) in Florida except Sawgrass. Blue course is more strategic than one would think. To score well on that course requires accurate placement and careful approaches to right places on the greens. Lots of room for anyone but to get it close easily and score, requires some thought. Red is much more visually spectacular, no question. Blue is much more subtle.

 

But, and this is where the controversy comes in. Are they worth the money and is the service and amenities worth it? In my opinion and in the opinion of most everyone that I've talked to about the courses, NO, definitely not worth the money. Food is seriously overpriced and not of the quality considering the price. Caddies are a real mixed bag. A number are exceptional but many are nothing more than bag carriers and ball spotters. Little REAL caddy skills like reading greens accurately or knowing correct shots and club recommendations.

 

Staff can be very arrogant and obnoxious at times. And actually the driving range is really too small and short. Played with several people that couldn't hit anything more than 5 wood or hybrid because they kept driving the ball over the end of the range. And a couple of times i was there, the range was totally out of spaces for people to hit.. For all the space and open land that they have, that is just plain dumb. Could have huge range without restrictions easily enough. Is range adequate for most things, yes, but it could be a lot better and seems restricted unnecessarily.

 

And do they have some silly rules. Of course. Won't take Single reservations at times (played with person from China that couldn't get a tee time because they wouldn't take singles). Treat handicapped (restricted walking people) poorly.

 

But are they worth playing once. ABSOLUTELY. No question in my mind that they are top 30 courses (Public). And can be a lot of fun to play. But pricing is such that it seems that they really only want upper income (like Trump courses a lot).

 

But given a choice between Bandon and them, Bandon beats them out all over because of the difference in way staff treats people and overall pricing. Bandon is expensive but not as outrageously and food is reasonable cost. Caddies are way superior at Bandon (not all of course but overall quality is better. Too many bag carriers at Streamsong).

Caddies are a dime a dozen. I've been to Pine Valley several times and it was a disaster, caddy wise. Same with Oak Hill, you just never know what you're getting..... Caddies are seasonal at Streamsong, and they have several top notch guys, but also some guys just carrying the bag.........Can't imagine doing it in Florida in the summer.....Ask for Victor, he's the man!!.....

 

I'm playing Red and Blue in a couple of weeks. I've already requested a caddie for both rounds. Did you request a caddie by name before you arrived or did you just get lucky on the day?

[WindyCitySPN]

I've played Streamsong a number of times (living in Florida really helps). Also played Bandon, Whistling Straits, Pinehurst, Pebble, And of course St. Andrews. So i've got some comparisons. Streamsong courses are great courses and are most assuredly not like anythiing else in Florida. Personally I think they're better than anything (public) in Florida except Sawgrass. Blue course is more strategic than one would think. To score well on that course requires accurate placement and careful approaches to right places on the greens. Lots of room for anyone but to get it close easily and score, requires some thought. Red is much more visually spectacular, no question. Blue is much more subtle.

 

But, and this is where the controversy comes in. Are they worth the money and is the service and amenities worth it? In my opinion and in the opinion of most everyone that I've talked to about the courses, NO, definitely not worth the money. Food is seriously overpriced and not of the quality considering the price. Caddies are a real mixed bag. A number are exceptional but many are nothing more than bag carriers and ball spotters. Little REAL caddy skills like reading greens accurately or knowing correct shots and club recommendations.

 

Staff can be very arrogant and obnoxious at times. And actually the driving range is really too small and short. Played with several people that couldn't hit anything more than 5 wood or hybrid because they kept driving the ball over the end of the range. And a couple of times i was there, the range was totally out of spaces for people to hit.. For all the space and open land that they have, that is just plain dumb. Could have huge range without restrictions easily enough. Is range adequate for most things, yes, but it could be a lot better and seems restricted unnecessarily.

 

And do they have some silly rules. Of course. Won't take Single reservations at times (played with person from China that couldn't get a tee time because they wouldn't take singles). Treat handicapped (restricted walking people) poorly.

 

But are they worth playing once. ABSOLUTELY. No question in my mind that they are top 30 courses (Public). And can be a lot of fun to play. But pricing is such that it seems that they really only want upper income (like Trump courses a lot).

 

But given a choice between Bandon and them, Bandon beats them out all over because of the difference in way staff treats people and overall pricing. Bandon is expensive but not as outrageously and food is reasonable cost. Caddies are way superior at Bandon (not all of course but overall quality is better. Too many bag carriers at Streamsong).

Caddies are a dime a dozen. I've been to Pine Valley several times and it was a disaster, caddy wise. Same with Oak Hill, you just never know what you're getting..... Caddies are seasonal at Streamsong, and they have several top notch guys, but also some guys just carrying the bag.........Can't imagine doing it in Florida in the summer.....Ask for Victor, he's the man!!.....

 

I'm playing Red and Blue in a couple of weeks. I've already requested a caddie for both rounds. Did you request a caddie by name before you arrived or did you just get lucky on the day?

 

I played last year and requested a caddie but not by name as it was my first experience there. One of the caddies we had was very average but Marc Dull was excellent. If you have the time I would definitely recommend requesting Marc or someone else who was recommended. I played with my brother and dad and marc knew exactly where all three of our shots went, what distance we needed to hit it, and by the end was pulling clubs by distance. Having a top notch caddie is a big advantage in my opinion at Streamsong. Marc is also the Steamsong club champion (someone else told us not him).

 

 

http://www.worldgolf.com/newswire/browse/90394-Streamsong-Caddie-Marc-Dull-Completes-Incredible-Run-2015-US-Mid-Amateur-Championship-R

[justin10784]

Marc Dull also was the runner-up in the US Mid-am last year. Dude can play.

[Edinburghgolfer]

I've played Streamsong a number of times (living in Florida really helps). Also played Bandon, Whistling Straits, Pinehurst, Pebble, And of course St. Andrews. So i've got some comparisons. Streamsong courses are great courses and are most assuredly not like anythiing else in Florida. Personally I think they're better than anything (public) in Florida except Sawgrass. Blue course is more strategic than one would think. To score well on that course requires accurate placement and careful approaches to right places on the greens. Lots of room for anyone but to get it close easily and score, requires some thought. Red is much more visually spectacular, no question. Blue is much more subtle.

 

But, and this is where the controversy comes in. Are they worth the money and is the service and amenities worth it? In my opinion and in the opinion of most everyone that I've talked to about the courses, NO, definitely not worth the money. Food is seriously overpriced and not of the quality considering the price. Caddies are a real mixed bag. A number are exceptional but many are nothing more than bag carriers and ball spotters. Little REAL caddy skills like reading greens accurately or knowing correct shots and club recommendations.

 

Staff can be very arrogant and obnoxious at times. And actually the driving range is really too small and short. Played with several people that couldn't hit anything more than 5 wood or hybrid because they kept driving the ball over the end of the range. And a couple of times i was there, the range was totally out of spaces for people to hit.. For all the space and open land that they have, that is just plain dumb. Could have huge range without restrictions easily enough. Is range adequate for most things, yes, but it could be a lot better and seems restricted unnecessarily.

 

And do they have some silly rules. Of course. Won't take Single reservations at times (played with person from China that couldn't get a tee time because they wouldn't take singles). Treat handicapped (restricted walking people) poorly.

 

But are they worth playing once. ABSOLUTELY. No question in my mind that they are top 30 courses (Public). And can be a lot of fun to play. But pricing is such that it seems that they really only want upper income (like Trump courses a lot).

 

But given a choice between Bandon and them, Bandon beats them out all over because of the difference in way staff treats people and overall pricing. Bandon is expensive but not as outrageously and food is reasonable cost. Caddies are way superior at Bandon (not all of course but overall quality is better. Too many bag carriers at Streamsong).

Caddies are a dime a dozen. I've been to Pine Valley several times and it was a disaster, caddy wise. Same with Oak Hill, you just never know what you're getting..... Caddies are seasonal at Streamsong, and they have several top notch guys, but also some guys just carrying the bag.........Can't imagine doing it in Florida in the summer.....Ask for Victor, he's the man!!.....

 

I'm playing Red and Blue in a couple of weeks. I've already requested a caddie for both rounds. Did you request a caddie by name before you arrived or did you just get lucky on the day?

 

I played last year and requested a caddie but not by name as it was my first experience there. One of the caddies we had was very average but Marc Dull was excellent. If you have the time I would definitely recommend requesting Marc or someone else who was recommended. I played with my brother and dad and marc knew exactly where all three of our shots went, what distance we needed to hit it, and by the end was pulling clubs by distance. Having a top notch caddie is a big advantage in my opinion at Streamsong. Marc is also the Steamsong club champion (someone else told us not him).

 

 

http://www.worldgolf...-Championship-R

 

Thanks for the advice. I'll contact Streamsong to request Marc if possible. I've had experiences of caddies vs 'bag-carriers'. I'm not interested in shelling out over $100 for a caddie who can't read greens or give clubbing advice.

[dhc1]

I'm starting to question whether you are simply a troll on here. Nothing of what I said was sanctimonious. Would you rather I lied and said that I didn't play from the tips most of the time? Would that make you feel better.

 

And I guess they held and are holding two of the top amateur tournaments in the world on two of Doak's courses at PD and Streamsong because it is such a plain and simple resort course.

 

1) I do play from the tips often times unless it is over 7200 yards for the most part. Most scratch players do.

2) Pretty much every golf course review ranks this as one of the top courses in the world but you are right, the rest of us are all sanctimonious and crazy.

 

Your post practically defines sanctimony (you're both a scratch player and a spokesperson for consensual golf reviews!) IMO. Conversely, I have no problem with people who strongly disagree with my opinions as long as they aren't disagreeable/sanctimonious.

 

I'd also be interested in having you point out where I said that PD is not a very good course; i do recall saying that it's a resort course in a spectacular setting (which are allowed to be, and often are, highly ranked) and that I always enjoy playing it among the other fine courses at Bandon (some of which I prefer to PD). Apparently, my opinion that Doak courses generally, and PD in particular, are over-rated in terms of strategy is worthy of your derision as opposed to simple disagreement. i'd guess that many of the posters on Golf Club Atlas agree strongly with you.

 

It is the internet so I guess it's to be expected.

 

Give me a break, chilidog. Here's your sanctimony.

 

1. After I opine that I think that Doak is over-rated on the strategy aspect, you state,"you've obviously never played PD"

2. After I've informed you that I've played it dozens of times, you ignore the fact that that you're dead-wrong and state that "we'll never agree on anything" as if it's a fact that having 12 options on every hole is the definition of strategy

3. After I inform you that my index wouldn't travel if PD was my home course as I often shoot under my handicap there over many rounds, you state that my opinion is wrong because you're scratch and have never broken par at PD

4. You also state that my opinion about Doak's courses are over-rated re: strategy is also invalid because "Pretty much every golf course review ranks this as one of the top courses in the world" which is completely besides the point as I've consistently acknowledged that PD is a very good, albeit a resort, course.

 

Add in the fact that after I opine that "pars are frequently available from terrible drives/shots", you misinterpret that into "easy pars off bad shots", I think that the question is who's trolling whom?

[Chilidog]

You obviously don't know golf. Why don't you check the scores of the ams that just played there last summer. Man, they should have been killing that course. Oh wait...they didn't? Wind changes everything. Also the way the course flows with being able to hit the ball in the air or play it on the ground gives you strategy. I'm done arguing with you...you obviously are trolling or don't know or understand the game...one of the two.

[TheDailyDuffer]

Every iconic course I've ever played has left me with a "what's the big deal?". And I've played Shinnecock, Winged Foot, Pebble, etc. I grew up on Bethpage Black, and still don't see the BIG deal people make of it...LOL.....And I've shot in the 60's there dozens of times from the tips.....We all have opinions about golf courses. These days it's still 18 holes in the ground with a flag in them. I don't play golf to take pictures of the scenery, or marvel at the golf course. It's just a golf course. Play golf, and who cares about those that brag about where they've been. I played #2 a few hundred times for $18 dollars. Next month I'll pay 250........still love it!!....It's just a golf course....

 

I'm just impressed that you've managed to find a way to bring up how you've played Shinneock, Winged Foot, Pebble, Bethpage Black, and then Oak Hill, and Pine Valley all in a thread about Streamsong!

 

Cheers to the very active, passive brag.

[smashdn]

I've seen several practice greens where holes are not cut but they have some kind of little flag like thing with a small round plastic thing at the bottom just a shade smaller than an actual hole.

 

Not really an issue in my mind except when you hit it dead on and now a ball is in your way for you next putt. Practice green is just for getting the speed down for the day so no biggie.

 

http://www.paraide.com/ParAideProducts/PracticeAreas/GreenMarkersCups/tabid/186/p/cupless-practice-targets/Default.aspx

 

^ Something similar to these.