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[dashanks]

It's amazing how often mistakes in the set-up lead to crappy shots for me.     And 99% of the time, it's the same two things.  Either I have let the grip slip down too far into my left hand or I have drifted too far away from the ball.  Coincidentally, I believe that both of those are things that make you feel like you are in a more powerful position.  Anyway, a quick check of my GAS mnemonic would have allowed me to correct either.   But mnemonic devices don't work if you forget them, I guess. 🙂

[Triple Lindy]

1 hour ago, braincramp52 said:

I know I shouldn't worry so much about distance but even though I'm 71 I'm still stupid competitive and I hate getting out drove by 20-40 yards. My entire winter will be spent strengthening my core and removing tension from my swing not sometimes, but all the time.

I suspect most in this group have a strong competitive element in their personalities. I know I do. I had shoulder surgery a couple of years ago and before my injury, I was lifting at least 3x a week. Nothing heavy - only using 20lb dumbbells in each hand, but it was enough to keep up some strength. After I hurt my shoulder, I stopped lifting and didn’t start back up until a few months ago. I had noticed that I had lost significant distance, especially with driver. I’m starting to get it back. I’ve recently added squats to my routine, which also probably helps. (Shout out to @TiScape and @bscinstnct!) I’ve been doing core work for years due to back issues. Don’t get me wrong - I don’t spend a ton of time and I do everything at home. Just about 30 minutes of stretching, core and light resistance work and I tend to feel pretty good. If I didn’t do it, I’d be locked up like the Tin Man without his oil can.

 

All of this to say, yes, whatever time you decide to spend on strengthening/flexibility /fitness can help. At least it has for me. And as for tension, almost all of my rounds are very friendly and start with a toast on the 2nd box (to get away from the prying eyes of the starter on #1.) So I probably get a little too loose. 🙃

[Soloman1]

No elite player grips the club lightly. If you asked them to shake your hand with their grip pressure, it would approach bone crushing. You wouldn’t punch something with a light grip. The pressure is all in the last three fingers of the lead hand.

 

That is probably the #1 universal thing with no exceptions.

 

It may feel effortless and you hit a few well, but consistency drops off the scale because the butt of the club pulls away from the pad of the hand.

 

Regardless of your swing speed, the head is moving fast. You don’t always hit it on the sweet spot, so the face instantly twists without a strong grip to minimize it. There more to it than that about ground interaction, but let’s not go there.

 

There is no relationship between grip pressure and hinging the wrist. Put your lead arm in front of you and make a fist with your thumb straight up, then hinge your wrist. It’s the same regardless of grip pressure.

 

The tube of toothpaste and holding a bird were never true.

[Nard_S]

The noticeable thing that distinguishes a low index from not so low is great rhythm. At least in real life that's what I've seen. Guys that break 80 on their bad days always hold nice rhythm tee to green. High singles really do not do that.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Nard_S

[dashanks]

19 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

No elite player grips the club lightly. If you asked them to shake your hand with their grip pressure, it would approach bone crushing. You wouldn’t punch something with a light grip. The pressure is all in the last three fingers of the lead hand.

 

That is probably the #1 universal thing with no exceptions.

 

It may feel effortless and you hit a few well, but consistency drops off the scale because the butt of the club pulls away from the pad of the hand.

 

Regardless of your swing speed, the head is moving fast. You don’t always hit it on the sweet spot, so the face instantly twists without a strong grip to minimize it. There more to it than that about ground interaction, but let’s not go there.

 

There is no relationship between grip pressure and hinging the wrist. Put your lead arm in front of you and make a fist with your thumb straight up, then hinge your wrist. It’s the same regardless of grip pressure.

 

The tube of toothpaste and holding a bird were never true.

I never believed much in that baby bird stuff either.  Most elite players also keep a ramrod straight left arm in the back swing also.  Which is pretty much impossible to do with a light pressure grip IMHO.

[dashanks]

BTW, I'd like to suggest a name for the Cabal.  The Titleistas.  (ei being pronounced EE)

[Soloman1]

I've been recommending this swing lately.

 

 

[mshills]

38 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

No elite player grips the club lightly. If you asked them to shake your hand with their grip pressure, it would approach bone crushing. You wouldn’t punch something with a light grip. The pressure is all in the last three fingers of the lead hand.

 

That is probably the #1 universal thing with no exceptions.

 

It may feel effortless and you hit a few well, but consistency drops off the scale because the butt of the club pulls away from the pad of the hand.

 

Regardless of your swing speed, the head is moving fast. You don’t always hit it on the sweet spot, so the face instantly twists without a strong grip to minimize it. There more to it than that about ground interaction, but let’s not go there.

 

There is no relationship between grip pressure and hinging the wrist. Put your lead arm in front of you and make a fist with your thumb straight up, then hinge your wrist. It’s the same regardless of grip pressure.

 

The tube of toothpaste and holding a bird were never true.

 

Amen to all of this.  The grip must be tight.  The golf swing is not "easy" or "smooth."  Watch Ernie Els up close and tell me he isn't flat out getting after the ball.  He hits the snot out of it....his swing looks "easy" because his body parts are sequenced correctly, but he is not by any means swinging easy.  Elite players also have a much faster tempo than what most amateurs think they are seeing.

 

As for my situation, since I have no lead hand in play, my trail hand grip is TIGHT.  The Jumbomax grips have helped a lot with this, and I am glad I gave them a shot.  I do wish they made a rock hard rubber grip in that size -- think the feel of a monster Lamkin Crossline -- but such a grip would weigh like 500 grams or more and that aspect would cause its own issues.

[scotee]

22 hours ago, Conrad1953 said:

 

@huskydawg and @scotee  pulling for the Huskies too. You never know. Play the game!😃😃

 

 

 

 

 

 

And speaking of the Huskies. We saw The Boys In The Boat last night. A well done feel good movie.

[Duct Tape]

2 hours ago, dashanks said:

Great post!  Bad set-up is responsible for so many debacles and so easy to correct.  I like to think about checking the "GAS" before I swing (Grip, Alignment, Stance).  Having those things squared away really helps me to make a decent swing.  Of course, in the heat of battle I forget about it half the time.  Duh!

I’ve told my kids for years, “GPA”

 

Grip, Posture, Alignment. 

[scotee]

Good morning Lewis Clark Valley. Looks like a golf day to me. 40 deg at sunrise.

[Conrad1953]

2 minutes ago, scotee said:

Good morning Lewis Clark Valley. Looks like a golf day to me. 40 deg at sunrise.

 

Beautiful sunrise! Hit 'em well and have fun!

 

 

[Soloman1]

Here's mine.

 

BOWMR

WOBNF

[Conrad1953]

4 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

Here's mine.

 

BOWMR

WOBNF

 

OK......s'plain please.

[Soloman1]

14 minutes ago, Conrad1953 said:

 

OK......s'plain please.

 

 

Beer On Whiskey Mighty Risky

 

Whiskey On Beer Never Fear

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, Triple Lindy said:

I suspect most in this group have a strong competitive element in their personalities. I know I do. I had shoulder surgery a couple of years ago and before my injury, I was lifting at least 3x a week. Nothing heavy - only using 20lb dumbbells in each hand, but it was enough to keep up some strength. After I hurt my shoulder, I stopped lifting and didn’t start back up until a few months ago. I had noticed that I had lost significant distance, especially with driver. I’m starting to get it back. I’ve recently added squats to my routine, which also probably helps. (Shout out to @TiScape and @bscinstnct!) I’ve been doing core work for years due to back issues. Don’t get me wrong - I don’t spend a ton of time and I do everything at home. Just about 30 minutes of stretching, core and light resistance work and I tend to feel pretty good. If I didn’t do it, I’d be locked up like the Tin Man without his oil can.

 

All of this to say, yes, whatever time you decide to spend on strengthening/flexibility /fitness can help. At least it has for me. And as for tension, almost all of my rounds are very friendly and start with a toast on the 2nd box (to get away from the prying eyes of the starter on #1.) So I probably get a little too loose. 🙃

 

Nice! If ya wanna (and you actually should) compliment your squats with something that really targets your posterior chain, hamstrings, glutes, core, lower back

 

Romanian deadlifts!

 

You can do these with just your dumbbells. Actually you should start with a couple of sets with no extra weight til you get the form down and make sure they are agreeable for you. Be surprised, you might actually get feel routine muscle soreness the next day fr just doing them with nothing. 

 

Squats are great but minimal posterior chain relative to quads. 
 

You don’t need to bend nearly all the way like a regular deadlift…
 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by bscinstnct

[Soloman1]

2 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

Nice! If ya wanna (and you actually should) compliment your squats with something that really targets your posterior chain, hamstrings, glutes, core, lower back

 

 

Like moving to Asia?

 

You gotta be on target, know what I mean?

[Conrad1953]

I do love cold weather golf now. It's an adventure guessing how far the ball will go. I'm

sure there are formulas....D=xy-pq+2-2x+3q-ws+sl. 

 

Maybe some one will make a fancy rangefinder that also gives slope AND temp and 

wind adjusted yardages.  😃

[Conrad1953]

18 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

Like moving to Asia?

 

You gotta be on target, know what I mean?

 

@bscinstnct all "do your squats" gents.....................................start with

light weight and work your way up to the heavier weight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Conrad1953

[Soloman1]

Don't forget to carry the 1.

[dashanks]

47 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

Like moving to Asia?

 

You gotta be on target, know what I mean?

Talk about a surgical bombing run!  

[Jim53]

56 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

Like moving to Asia?

 

You gotta be on target, know what I mean?

Boy that would be a challenge 1st thing in the morning when the back and knees are not happy yet.

 

During a trip to China I went into the factory bathroom and it was just a trench in the floor, I opted to wait until more user friendly accomendations could be located.

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

Like moving to Asia?

 

You gotta be on target, know what I mean?

This reminds me. With lots of employees from all over the world, SAP was having an issue with employees pooping 💩 on the toilet seats. They legit had to install the following signs in all the stalls. I wouldn’t have believed it if I didn’t see it myself 😂 

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Nice! If ya wanna (and you actually should) compliment your squats with something that really targets your posterior chain, hamstrings, glutes, core, lower back

 

Romanian deadlifts!

 

You can do these with just your dumbbells. Actually you should start with a couple of sets with no extra weight til you get the form down and make sure they are agreeable for you. Be surprised, you might actually get feel routine muscle soreness the next day fr just doing them with nothing. 

 

Squats are great but minimal posterior chain relative to quads. 
 

You don’t need to bend nearly all the way like a regular deadlift…
 

 

Just because I can’t help myself (🤪) if you are gonna do these, be very aware of not rounding your back. Only go as far as a straight back (natural S curve will allow). I mention it bcs I see it happen on the regular. 
And again bcs I can’t help myself. Most don’t have a lot of time so focus on efficiency. Do movements that also require balance and core while hitting a big muscle group like legs or back. You don’t have to spend a lot of time “doing core” if most of the movements you do are also working core. A couple examples below. 

anti rotation squats and bird dog db rows. 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by TiScape

[braincramp52]

13 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Just because I can’t help myself (🤪) if you are gonna do these, be very aware of not rounding your back. Only go as far as a straight back (natural S curve will allow). I mention it bcs I see it happen on the regular. 
And again bcs I can’t help myself. Most don’t have a lot of time so focus on efficiency. Do movements that also require balance and core while hitting a big muscle group like legs or back. You don’t have to spend a lot of time “doing core” if most of the movements you do are also working core. A couple examples below. 

anti rotation squats and bird dog db rows. 

 

What do you do if you can't even stand straight?

[dashanks]

1 hour ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

Beer On Whiskey Mighty Risky

 

Whiskey On Beer Never Fear

I'm perplexed because the rule I learned and always lived by was:

Liquor then beer, nothing to fear

Beer then liquor, nothing quicker. 

Have I been living a lie my whole life?

[Soloman1]

7 minutes ago, dashanks said:

I'm perplexed because the rule I learned and always lived by was:

Liquor then beer, nothing to fear

Beer then liquor, nothing quicker. 

Have I been living a lie my whole life?

 

Could be why you have da shanks? 🙂

 

[TiScape]

22 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

What do you do if you can't even stand straight?

Oh easy! Get in that DeLorean and go back in time and start pre-habbing! 😜

[TiScape]

1 minute ago, Soloman1 said:

 

Could be why you have da shanks? 🙂

 

Better or worse than da sharts?! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[dashanks]

5 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

Could be why you have da shanks? 🙂

 

Could explain a lot of things.