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[Soloman1]

astronaut david scott did it in 1971 during apollo 15. since there is no aerodynamic effect, the result was exactly as predicted and known for hundreds of years.

 

it was not done to prove it, it was done specifically to be shown in classrooms to kids.

 

 

i meticulously crafted my words that someone is ignorant of the topic if they think the landings didn’t happen. i did not say they were ignorant.

 

being ignorant of a topic is being uneducated, unaware or uninformed about a topic.

 

it’s not the same as being generally ignorant about everything.

 

i’m ignorant about botany, ranching, rebuilding engines, the endocrine system, what the heck investment bankers contribute to an ipo, and a long list of other things.

 

i am ignorant of many more topics than i’m learned. i only know a handful of things. i guess that makes me ignorant of almost, but not quite, everything.

 

i used to feel sorry for truly ignorant people. now, i envy them.

 

how wonderful it must be to wake up every day, blissfully unaware of their ignorance.

 

[bscinstnct]

Some very cool buildings, such a contrast of standards compared to today

 

But what’s got me scratching my head when I saw this is….

 

Ive must have walked by this first building on 40 West 40th street at least 1000 times, literally, and I never even notice it 🤣

 

 

[bscinstnct]

Apropos of this discussion 

 

 

[dashanks]

Was it just the Apollo 11 landing that was faked, or was it all 6 of them?   Begs the question of why would you fake 5 more landings after you have essentially won the race with the first one.  Just to make it look legit?  Personally, I would have thrown some red bulbs in the lights and done a Mars landing somewhere down the line.  Take that, Ruskies!

[bladehunter]

While I can’t remember how we got off on the moon.  And oh how it’s been enjoyable 😕….but , how about this query I’ve had for a very long time? 
 

The Beatles.  I simply do not get their popularity.  I love a lot of music. I mean I could name endless things I like across every genre that there is. And the Beatles simply confound me.  I find them very pedestrian.  Almost the Taylor swift of the 60s.  Popular because of teenage girls.  Which is the only real reason guys claim fandom .  Following where the girls are.  Is that it ?  If not what am I missing ?  
 

this question came because I know a 60 year old man who is the worlds largest Beatles fan. Plays their stuff in a cover band situation / karaoke night deal.    He recently pressed me for my opinion on my favorite Beatles song. I tried to avoid the question.  And finally I said “ while my guitar gently weeps ,  if it’s the prince/ tom petty version “   Well. This went over like a lead balloon.  Now he and I are fine. He’s from Massachusetts, so arguing is a second language  anyway.  He appreciated the honesty in the end. But as I explained to him , I don’t hate the band. I just don’t get the hype. 
 

im guessing you just had to be there ?  If so. I can take that .  

[Duct Tape]

6 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

While I can’t remember how we got off on the moon.  And oh how it’s been enjoyable 😕….but , how about this query I’ve had for a very long time? 
 

The Beatles.  I simply do not get their popularity.  I love a lot of music. I mean I could name endless things I like across every genre that there is. And the Beatles simply confound me.  I find them very pedestrian.  Almost the Taylor swift of the 60s.  Popular because of teenage girls.  Which is the only real reason guys claim fandom .  Following where the girls are.  Is that it ?  If not what am I missing ?  
 

this question came because I know a 60 year old man who is the worlds largest Beatles fan. Plays their stuff in a cover band situation / karaoke night deal.    He recently pressed me for my opinion on my favorite Beatles song. I tried to avoid the question.  And finally I said “ while my guitar gently weeps ,  if it’s the prince/ tom petty version “   Well. This went over like a lead balloon.  Now he and I are fine. He’s from Massachusetts, so arguing is a second language  anyway.  He appreciated the honesty in the end. But as I explained to him , I don’t hate the band. I just don’t get the hype. 
 

im guessing you just had to be there ?  If so. I can take that .  

Oh boy, now you’ve done it!  Moon landings pale in comparison. 🤓😳🏌🏼‍♀️
 

Actually I kind of agree with you. 

[bladehunter]

5 minutes ago, Duct Tape said:

Oh boy, now you’ve done it!  Moon landings pale in comparison. 🤓😳🏌🏼‍♀️
 

Actually I kind of agree with you. 

🤣. I’m a curious person.  These things make me go , hmmm? ….

 

also funny. I’ve been thinking of posting a golf related post for a couple weeks.  But folks hate that too.  And this one is Uber positive. Peter measuring contests and virtue signaling their leanings seem to be more popular 🙃. 

[braincramp52]

27 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

While I can’t remember how we got off on the moon.  And oh how it’s been enjoyable 😕….but , how about this query I’ve had for a very long time? 
 

The Beatles.  I simply do not get their popularity.  I love a lot of music. I mean I could name endless things I like across every genre that there is. And the Beatles simply confound me.  I find them very pedestrian.  Almost the Taylor swift of the 60s.  Popular because of teenage girls.  Which is the only real reason guys claim fandom .  Following where the girls are.  Is that it ?  If not what am I missing ?  
 

this question came because I know a 60 year old man who is the worlds largest Beatles fan. Plays their stuff in a cover band situation / karaoke night deal.    He recently pressed me for my opinion on my favorite Beatles song. I tried to avoid the question.  And finally I said “ while my guitar gently weeps ,  if it’s the prince/ tom petty version “   Well. This went over like a lead balloon.  Now he and I are fine. He’s from Massachusetts, so arguing is a second language  anyway.  He appreciated the honesty in the end. But as I explained to him , I don’t hate the band. I just don’t get the hype. 
 

im guessing you just had to be there ?  If so. I can take that .  

Yes, you had to be there. I was in 6th grade when the Beatles hit. After hearing them was when I really took a interest to music to any extent. Their vocals were what stood out to me at the time. For the first time in my life I wanted long hair and a pair of "Beatle Boots". I hounded my parents ( who didn't have much money ) to buy a Bass guitar and amp so I could be like Paul McCartney and I then went on to play their music in cover bands for 45 years. The greatest thing about the Beatles music was the way the song writing of Lennon and McCartney evolved as the 60's went on. Every time they started to get a little stale they would come out with something no one else had ever done. No one did more to change the path of Rock and Roll and Pop than The Beatles. I could go on but the way I type I'd be here for a while. I can understand how they were never your thing though blade. 

 

I shouldn't say you HAD to be there, but it helped. My youngest son who is 43 loves them but he was exposed to them quite a bit.😅

Edited March 5, 2024 by braincramp52

[Triple Lindy]

16 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Talking disconnect.  

That’s an interesting take - connection/disconnection to any given topic. Food for thought when applied to the massive gaps in some of our current discourse.
 

I have the opposite perspective on the 1st moon landing. Watched the liftoff with the family and then my dad and I built a model of the lunar lander in the days leading up to the landing. It was the first intricate model I built, complete with paint. Then we watched the landing and first step on the moon. Some of my earliest memories. Next earliest memories are of my dad and uncle grousing over the Cowboys losing to the Colts in the Super Bowl. My first exposure to conspiracy theories.

[braincramp52]

@bladehunter Not to ramble but if you listen to the Revolver album and then listen to Sgt. Peppers and Magical Mystery Tour albums you'll hear the drastic change in styles as they entered the psychedelic period of the 60's. George Harrison bringing the Sitar in to their recordings was a big risk at the time.

[Triple Lindy]

1 minute ago, braincramp52 said:

@bladehunter Not to ramble but if you listen to the Revolver album and then listen to Sgt. Peppers and Magical Mystery Tour albums you'll hear the drastic change in styles as they entered the psychedelic period of the 60's. George Harrison bringing the Sitar in to their recordings was a big risk at the time.

I didn’t really appreciate the Beatles until I was at least in my 30s. They were just another band on the radio as far as I was concerned. But once I started really listening, I realized just how unique and creative they were. A few months ago, I spent about 3 hours with Beatles piped into my ears through headphones. Enjoyed it immensely! 
 

But when it comes to Beatles vs. Stones, I’m firmly in the Stones camp.

[braincramp52]

4 minutes ago, Triple Lindy said:

I didn’t really appreciate the Beatles until I was at least in my 30s. They were just another band on the radio as far as I was concerned. But once I started really listening, I realized just how unique and creative they were. A few months ago, I spent about 3 hours with Beatles piped into my ears through headphones. Enjoyed it immensely! 
 

But when it comes to Beatles vs. Stones, I’m firmly in the Stones camp.

That's why it's impossible to argue things like who is the greatest guitar player, drummer, band, etc. I never cared for the Stones from day one because I thought Jagger was a terrible singer at the time. As time went by there is a ton of Stones stuff that was great and I learned to love it. And Jagger was perfect for the Stones. The Stones wouldn't have been what they are without Jagger. Kind of like when Freddie Mercury died, Queen was never the same.

[Reasonability]

21 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

🤣. I’m a curious person.  These things make me go , hmmm? ….

 

also funny. I’ve been thinking of posting a golf related post for a couple weeks.  But folks hate that too.  And this one is Uber positive. Peter measuring contests and virtue signaling their leanings seem to be more popular 🙃. 

 

Blade-man,

 

Your honesty and sincerity are great in my book.  It takes guts to openly say, "I just don't get why this or that is so popular."   Like you, I can point to a handful of Beatles stuff that I liked then and still like today.  Then there's an ocean of their stuff that sounds to me like they were pumping out junk just because they were getting rich (and high) doing so.  Music (for me) needs "things" that rope me in.  My tastes and the next guy's can obviously be vastly different.    

 

I also appreciated what Sol summed up by letting it be known in so many words, we aren't infinitely wise about everything but that doesn't make us an idiot.  We are just "us", warts and all.  We happen to own some good knowledge or experiences about a thing or two -- and most of us (I think) have a ton of curiosity about how and why things are like they are.

 

So, fire away in the same spirit you have been - PLEASE.  It's far more refreshing to read a sincere and honest post, or one that at least poses a legit question, than to be bombarded by brags and ego slipped in under the guise of sharing.  (I've personally got a high antenna for that one - lol).       

 

As to golf talk in here.  Post the effing thing.  You, me and a handful of those interested will sit at some table and chat amongst ourselves, while anyone who has a problem with it can chat about whatever suits them at another table.   Everyone can pair off and do their thing without a food fight coming from it.

 

I get it that golf talk has this way of taking common wrong turns.  There's fear someone is going to preach their clubs or swing methods or attire, or whatever are the only right and correct way...  OR... the infamous opposite happens where everything and anything is up to the individual so why even bother posting a darn thing.

 

You know how difficult it is to get a golfer to put into words what he does or thinks, or anticipates over the golf ball?  Challenging each other to actually say it out loud makes many feel like they've been asked to turn around and bend over!  So there's another legit reason why actual golf talk is harder to discuss than today's meat sauce.  I get it.  It's all good.       

 

For God's sake, we're golfers.  We should be at least able to share things about golf once in a while.   HERE we can express such things to each other without setting one another on fire over it.  There's plenty of places inside of wrx to get your adrenaline up if that's what winds your watch.  We don't have to agree but at the same time the whole topic doesn't have to be off limits either. 

 

Post that puppy my man.  Might need a few days to get back to you but I'll sit at your table and anyone else who wants or cares to, can hop in (or out) at will.  I don't have all the answers but sure appreciate the curiosity and sharing as to how we experience it individually.  

 

      

 

 

  

[bladehunter]

31 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

@bladehunter Not to ramble but if you listen to the Revolver album and then listen to Sgt. Peppers and Magical Mystery Tour albums you'll hear the drastic change in styles as they entered the psychedelic period of the 60's. George Harrison bringing the Sitar in to their recordings was a big risk at the time.

And that might be what I need to do. Go in order and take it in.  I never have. I couldn’t tell you what song is from what album , etc. I know plenty of pop references and facts like the album cover variations , and reasons for those …. And what is valuable etc.  but I don’t know the music like I know other things because I never got hooked I guess. But I could force feed it 🤣 so to speak and see what happens.  

[Double Mocha Man]

Little known fact:  It was actually Ringo Starr in a space suit in that first moon landing who was swinging the 6 iron. That's why it looked so awkward. That, and the fact the club was fitted for Big Stu. 

[Nard_S]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

The Beatles.  I simply do not get their popularity.  I love a lot of music. I mean I could name endless things I like across every genre that there is. And the Beatles simply confound me.  I find them very pedestrian.  Almost the Taylor swift of the 60s.  Popular because of teenage girls.  Which is the only real reason guys claim fandom .  Following where the girls are.  Is that it ?  If not what am I missing ?

They were very good, they were thoroughly seasoned musicians and spearheaded the entire British Invasion but ultimately that movement was much more consequential. They all revered American music, maybe more so than Americans. I always felt without George Martin the Beatles do not ascend as high as they did. But from that era to me James Brown was as consequential artist. Funk does not ascend. Hip hop simply doesn't exist without him. MJ & Prince too. That guy broke new ground on a level that was much more organic to all of them. Great pop songs are simple, but the complexity comes with the twist of interpretation, the packaging of it, The Beatles did that at a high level and that's been replicated for decades by many but they didn't invent in the way Brown did.

[braincramp52]

1 minute ago, bladehunter said:

And that might be what I need to do. Go in order and take it in.  I never have. I couldn’t tell you what song is from what album , etc. I know plenty of pop references and facts like the album cover variations , and reasons for those …. And what is valuable etc.  but I don’t know the music like I know other things because I never got hooked I guess. But I could force feed it 🤣 so to speak and see what happens.  

And you may never like them!😄 I'm a bigger music nerd than I am a golf nerd and sometimes there are groups or styles you just never get on with. I used to hate country music back in the day. Now I love a lot of it although it has changed immensely over the years. It's now more Rock and Roll than any country I grew up with. 

[braincramp52]

8 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Little known fact:  It was actually Ringo Starr in a space suit in that first moon landing who was swinging the 6 iron. That's why it looked so awkward. That, and the fact the club was fitted for Big Stu. 

It couldn't have been Ringo. I know for a fact they had a gig that night.😅

[bladehunter]

58 minutes ago, Triple Lindy said:

That’s an interesting take - connection/disconnection to any given topic. Food for thought when applied to the massive gaps in some of our current discourse.
 

I have the opposite perspective on the 1st moon landing. Watched the liftoff with the family and then my dad and I built a model of the lunar lander in the days leading up to the landing. It was the first intricate model I built, complete with paint. Then we watched the landing and first step on the moon. Some of my earliest memories. Next earliest memories are of my dad and uncle grousing over the Cowboys losing to the Colts in the Super Bowl. My first exposure to conspiracy theories.

That’s the best way I can describe the feeling. Some thing I seem to auto connect to. Becomes an interest without trying. And some it’s work to just gain any interest or even facts.  I know the moon facts are out there. But it’s so far fetched that it’s never pulled me to read about it.  And i read about tons of things .like -  From what’s lost from Greek to English translation, meta cognition , to why Tolkien believed there’s no abject evil , only people who fall from abject good to a lower level.  
 

my earliest memories are of my dad building an addition onto the house …. A birthday party where I turned 2 or 3. I got a hippo bank with $20 in it.  Next memories don’t start until I’m in kindergarten.  There’s a gap there because that’s about the time my dad went off the wagon and never got back on and I walked to my grandpas  house and refused to go home. 
 

I don’t have a musical memory until I’m 10 or so.  Anyway.  I digress.  

Edited March 5, 2024 by bladehunter

[Double Mocha Man]

4 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

It couldn't have been Ringo. I know for a fact they had a gig that night.😅

 

They pulled a switch. That was Alan Shepard in a Ringo costume. 

[braincramp52]

1 minute ago, Double Mocha Man said:

 

They pulled a switch. That was Alan Shepard in a Ringo costume. 

Damn I'm glad you're back DMM. You make so much sense!😂

[bladehunter]

57 minutes ago, Reasonability said:

 

Blade-man,

 

Your honesty and sincerity are great in my book.  It takes guts to openly say, "I just don't get why this or that is so popular."   Like you, I can point to a handful of Beatles stuff that I liked then and still like today.  Then there's an ocean of their stuff that sounds to me like they were pumping out junk just because they were getting rich (and high) doing so.  Music (for me) needs "things" that rope me in.  My tastes and the next guy's can obviously be vastly different.    

 

I also appreciated what Sol summed up by letting it be known in so many words, we aren't infinitely wise about everything but that doesn't make us an idiot.  We are just "us", warts and all.  We happen to own some good knowledge or experiences about a thing or two -- and most of us (I think) have a ton of curiosity about how and why things are like they are.

 

So, fire away in the same spirit you have been - PLEASE.  It's far more refreshing to read a sincere and honest post, or one that at least poses a legit question, than to be bombarded by brags and ego slipped in under the guise of sharing.  (I've personally got a high antenna for that one - lol).       

 

As to golf talk in here.  Post the effing thing.  You, me and a handful of those interested will sit at some table and chat amongst ourselves, while anyone who has a problem with it can chat about whatever suits them at another table.   Everyone can pair off and do their thing without a food fight coming from it.

 

I get it that golf talk has this way of taking common wrong turns.  There's fear someone is going to preach their clubs or swing methods or attire, or whatever are the only right and correct way...  OR... the infamous opposite happens where everything and anything is up to the individual so why even bother posting a darn thing.

 

You know how difficult it is to get a golfer to put into words what he does or thinks, or anticipates over the golf ball?  Challenging each other to actually say it out loud makes many feel like they've been asked to turn around and bend over!  So there's another legit reason why actual golf talk is harder to discuss than today's meat sauce.  I get it.  It's all good.       

 

For God's sake, we're golfers.  We should be at least able to share things about golf once in a while.   HERE we can express such things to each other without setting one another on fire over it.  There's plenty of places inside of wrx to get your adrenaline up if that's what winds your watch.  We don't have to agree but at the same time the whole topic doesn't have to be off limits either. 

 

Post that puppy my man.  Might need a few days to get back to you but I'll sit at your table and anyone else who wants or cares to, can hop in (or out) at will.  I don't have all the answers but sure appreciate the curiosity and sharing as to how we experience it individually.  

 

      

 

 

  

Very much appreciated post.  Thank you!  
 

im going to have to do some work ( the horror ) but ill start up the golf talk at some point today when I take a breather.  

[Soloman1]

popular music before the beatles was mostly i iv v stuff.

 

i think the amazing thing about them was they wrote so many iconic, new melodies and twists at such a young age. they were 21-year old kids with a catalog of hits. the most songs in the top 100 and most #1 songs in history. pretty good for a 6-year run.

Edited March 5, 2024 by Soloman1

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, braincramp52 said:

Yes, you had to be there. I was in 6th grade when the Beatles hit. After hearing them was when I really took a interest to music to any extent. Their vocals were what stood out to me at the time. For the first time in my life I wanted long hair and a pair of "Beatle Boots". I hounded my parents ( who didn't have much money ) to buy a Bass guitar and amp so I could be like Paul McCartney and I then went on to play their music in cover bands for 45 years. The greatest thing about the Beatles music was the way the song writing of Lennon and McCartney evolved as the 60's went on. Every time they started to get a little stale they would come out with something no one else had ever done. No one did more to change the path of Rock and Roll and Pop than The Beatles. I could go on but the way I type I'd be here for a while. I can understand how they were never your thing though blade. 

 

I shouldn't say you HAD to be there, but it helped. My youngest son who is 43 loves them but he was exposed to them quite a bit.😅

 

Well said, music is personally subjective, and the Beatles embody excellence on so many levels but beyond that so much of whether or not someone likes a certain sound is

 

You had to be there 

 

The songs that played in the background of the fireworks of experience of our youth are our own personal soundtracks. The music lives within the memory 

 

Put it this way, objectively, is this a great song?

 

 

 

🤣🍻

 

However, it was ubiquitous college senior year and accompanied some of the most hysterical times so to me, it’s an awesome tune

 

[braincramp52]

33 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Well said, music is personally subjective, and the Beatles embody excellence on so many levels but beyond that so much of whether or not someone likes a certain sound is

 

You had to be there 

 

The songs that played in the background of the fireworks of experience of our youth are our own personal soundtracks. The music lives within the memory 

 

Put it this way, objectively, is this a great song?

 

 

 

🤣🍻

 

However, it was ubiquitous college senior year and accompanied some of the most hysterical times so to me, it’s an awesome tune

 

I'm old but I actually really like that.

[TiScape]

4 hours ago, braincramp52 said:

Yes, you had to be there. I was in 6th grade when the Beatles hit. After hearing them was when I really took a interest to music to any extent. Their vocals were what stood out to me at the time. For the first time in my life I wanted long hair and a pair of "Beatle Boots". I hounded my parents ( who didn't have much money ) to buy a Bass guitar and amp so I could be like Paul McCartney and I then went on to play their music in cover bands for 45 years. The greatest thing about the Beatles music was the way the song writing of Lennon and McCartney evolved as the 60's went on. Every time they started to get a little stale they would come out with something no one else had ever done. No one did more to change the path of Rock and Roll and Pop than The Beatles. I could go on but the way I type I'd be here for a while. I can understand how they were never your thing though blade. 

 

I shouldn't say you HAD to be there, but it helped. My youngest son who is 43 loves them but he was exposed to them quite a bit.😅

My son, who’s in his 20s, loves them as well (his favorite band) 👍🏼 He found them on his own as his mom and I never played em 🤷🏼‍♂️

Edited March 5, 2024 by TiScape

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, Double Mocha Man said:

 

They pulled a switch. That was Alan Shepard in a Ringo costume. 

Well played!

[TiScape]

3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

🤣. I’m a curious person.  These things make me go , hmmm? ….

 

also funny. I’ve been thinking of posting a golf related post for a couple weeks.  But folks hate that too.  And this one is Uber positive. Peter measuring contests and virtue signaling their leanings seem to be more popular 🙃. 

People here hate golf talk??? Wow, we must be reading a different thread. I’m the only one to my knowledge that even hints at not liking the golf talk and I’m totally joking. Sarcasm? 🤔 

[TiScape]

And to add to the conversation from yesterday. 
I’ll see your fake moon landing(s), ur hollow and rings like a bell and add it’s made of cheese!!! Found a well respected literary reference to prove it!

[Conrad1953]

Other than a few songs penned by George Harrison and a few covers of American songs

done very early on; Roll Over Beethoven, etc., all other Beatles songs were tagged with 

the famous "Lennon-McCartney" as the songwriters.

 

The truth was "Lennon-McCartney" stopped writing songs together very early on. The

songs were still tagged as written by Lennon-McCartney for whatever reason I don't

remember. They weren't getting along but kept it together for years for the $$$.

 

The cat came out of the bag when the 2 admitted they wrote their own songs

separately. How were we to know who wrote what in reality? Simple, they sang

their own songs. Paul sang the songs he wrote and John sang the songs he wrote.

 

You could also tell by the lyrics. Night and day difference between what they chose

to say with their lyrics. 

 

As someone who prefers not to be lectured to I naturally gravitated toward Paul's

songs, which were generally more light hearted lyric wise and more musically 

interesting than John's. John, increasingly, became more and more about pushing

his views in his songs.

 

Not that I cared much for Paul's views either but at least he had sense enough to

appeal to a wider audience and stuck with "silly love songs" and such for the most

part.

 

Just a couple of Paul's gems from the Beatle days.......