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[BIG STU]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

Something I learned a long time ago-- Get the speed of the greens let your mind process it. Then do not conciously think about it. Just line up the putt and let your eyes and mind tell you how hard and far to hit the putt

[BIG STU]

Hammer I have never pulled one apart to weigh it to be honest. Personally I have never paid attention to what head weight is on a putter. I usually judge by feel. I messed around some when folks first started counter weighting putters never could get a feel for it even ones set up stock from the factory. That Yonex I found the other day is one of the few that I ever picked up that felt balanced to me from the factory without me doing anything with it at all.

[Fellaheen51]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

 

I have not idea how heavy my putter is. It's a circa 96 Anser 4. Anyone know? I'm glad I never caught the putter ho bug. I have used the anser and a mint vintage 8802, and a bullseye before that since forever.

 

Just curious, what's the opinions here on the bullseye?

 

Dabbled with a flanged Bullseye on occasion. Some folks rave about them in Classics. I can't putt worth a lick with one. Sweet spot the size of a pea. The argument being they make one an improved putter by proper stroke execution (i.e. hitting the minuscule sweetspot). But they're easy to find at thrift stores for cheap, try one out if your curious.

 

Old thread circa 2007. Anser 4 steel 302g (post #10). Assuming similar numbers to your '96, +/- a couple of grams.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/116145-ping-anser-4-headweight-steel/

[mdgboxx]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

 

I have not idea how heavy my putter is. It's a circa 96 Anser 4. Anyone know? I'm glad I never caught the putter ho bug. I have used the anser and a mint vintage 8802, and a bullseye before that since forever.

 

Just curious, what's the opinions here on the bullseye?

 

 

https://www.google.c...124088155,d.dmo

 

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[mdgboxx]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

 

 

Going only by what uninteresting opines I read in the I&A forums, I believe they argue about "heavy for fast" and light for slow" greens.

 

I have this toy that I refer to as "My Holy Grail" that can adapt to ALL conditions imaginable, on any green, anywhere.

 

Exclusive Furniture?

Just another word for TOILET BOWL!

[CrabDaddy]

Manicures and pedicures are just not my thing, but I love me a quality massage from a trained professional. Hand and foot massages, back, hamstrings, calves, shoulders, neck, temples, I could go on and on.

 

EVERYONE likes a massage. I'll take a massage AND a pedicure AND....

 

....BungeeJumping?

As long as nothing breaks and you don't throw up, it's a happy ending!

[thug the bunny]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

 

I have not idea how heavy my putter is. It's a circa 96 Anser 4. Anyone know? I'm glad I never caught the putter ho bug. I have used the anser and a mint vintage 8802, and a bullseye before that since forever.

 

Just curious, what's the opinions here on the bullseye?

 

 

https://www.google.c...124088155,d.dmo

 

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Thanks mdg. Once again, you are the surgeon of WRX. I've always known it was light, I gotta really clobber long putts with it.

[CrabDaddy]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

I have an Odyssey Tank Cruiser - 38", counter-balanced - and I like the stability of the heavy head on fast and slow greens. 'Stability' may be the wrong word, but the greater mass seems to help maintain orientation and direction. I pull out my Rossie and Anser 2 occassionally to keep it honest, and I can't kick it out of the bag. I don't know if it's the weight of the putter or just me, but I have to be vigilant about keeping my backswing shorter than what currently feels 'natural'. But, I like to control distance with both bs length and effort. Like Stu said, see it, then do it.

[Michael C.]

Reason, you could always carry two putters. One for uphill putts and one for downhill putts. :D

 

I've never tried a counterbalanced putter. Are those the putters with the long grips on them? I have no idea.

 

Fella, did I see a post where you were on the "perfect" website? Lol. Is that subject for interpretation? Lol.

[thug the bunny]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

[CrabDaddy]

I'll gladly play the PXGs if someone wants to give me a set. A sweet spot

the size of Texas is right up my alley.

I'm still waiting for a set to turn up in a yard sale.

yard sale that is one of my favorite golf equipment stores along with the scrap pile at work and Goodwill

I hear ya, but I don't expect to find any PXG clubs showing up any time soon!

[tolmij]

Out for a game this morning, 6am off the tee. As usual the first few holes were very good, hit the ball well. All went haywire about half way round.

 

If only I could gather all my good shots in one game, I would be on the pro circuit. Suppose I can dream. :(

[CrabDaddy]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

The world is a mysterious and chaotic place. Why are 6 ft putts so difficult? Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways? Why are they called apartments when they're all attached? Why is it so difficult to understand women - we are the same species, they need us and we need them, but .... mystery prevails. When searching for such answers, there is no destination, only the journey.

[Michael C.]

Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?

[thug the bunny]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

The world is a mysterious and chaotic place. Why are 6 ft putts so difficult? Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways? Why are they called apartments when they're all attached? Why is it so difficult to understand women - we are the same species, they need us and we need them, but .... mystery prevails. When searching for such answers, there is no destination, only the journey.

 

Ah yes, the mystery. Those little pockets of the universe that still confirm that existence is magical.

[Reasonability]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

The world is a mysterious and chaotic place. Why are 6 ft putts so difficult? Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways? Why are they called apartments when they're all attached? Why is it so difficult to understand women - we are the same species, they need us and we need them, but .... mystery prevails. When searching for such answers, there is no destination, only the journey.

 

Two VERY well written posts here at the Grille. Well played gents! Love the mysteries of putting - terminology - life - and the journey they all are.

 

See it - feel it - do it. Common theme to just about all of the above. Personally struggle with the see it part (on a couple of levels).

 

Oh and regardless of a putter's weight - or grip - or brand - or cost... If there were one thing I'd teach a newbie with words - it would be to avoid rotation of the face of the putter. If there was anything I would show them... it would a film marathon of Ben Crenshaw, Dave Stockton, Michael Breed, etc. If there anything I could give them - it would be unlimited access to a decent practice green attached to 18 real ones. And if there were anything I could wish for them - it would be hoping they actually never fully crack the code.

[Reasonability]

FWIW - I never used to deeply believe much in a putter actually "fitting" a golfer. Always felt like you just bend over more (or less)... bend the arms more (or less) stand closer (or farther) and just putt any stupid putter and you'll roll that rock. Not so dismissive about that one having come to believe the putter needs to fit what I do rather than the other way around.

 

Equipment aside - and I lay no brag-post claim to being able to do this every time up... but I will share that my better putting days are when I have no emotional investment in the outcome. It's hard to even put words to it but over the ball - during the motion - and while holding the finish pose...on those better days I have describe it as being emotionally "detached". It's almost as tho I physically feel set and ready - mentally confident - but emotionally - goofy as it sounds I just don't care - if that makes any sense. It's like a separation of the positive physical and mental beliefs - from having any emotion about it. As said - this happens on the good days and/or better putts on off days. I'm aware of it when it happens - but can't always summons it up.

 

Oh well - lol - babble babble babble. Carry on gents. So much for Reason's book of "inner golf".

[Matt J]

Reason, for me, 320 grams is getting to be too light and over 360 would be too heavy.

 

You can cheat either by using a heavier or lighter grip. A 320 gram putter with a 50 gram grip is hard to distinguish from a 340 gram putter with a 70 gram grip.

 

Conventional wisdom is heavier putters for faster greens although I've always felt that was less "obvious" than proponents swear. There was a good thread on here not too long ago about how a lot of pros are playing 330 and 340 gram putters. Lord knows they play as fast of greens as any of us are going to find.

 

The best thing I've done for my putting is using the 2:1 tones on the Tour Tempo app. My putting stroke was WAY too slow, both back and through the ball. I've found that with the tempo standardized that I control distance by the pace of the backswing. So, the key is to take it back just far enough that you can smoothly transition and accelerate through the ball. It was like a light clicked on when I got that app on my phone.

[tolmij]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

The world is a mysterious and chaotic place. Why are 6 ft putts so difficult? Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways? Why are they called apartments when they're all attached? Why is it so difficult to understand women - we are the same species, they need us and we need them, but .... mystery prevails. When searching for such answers, there is no destination, only the journey.

 

Two VERY well written posts here at the Grille. Well played gents! Love the mysteries of putting - terminology - life - and the journey they all are.

 

See it - feel it - do it. Common theme to just about all of the above. Personally struggle with the see it part (on a couple of levels).

 

Oh and regardless of a putter's weight - or grip - or brand - or cost... If there were one thing I'd teach a newbie with words - it would be to avoid rotation of the face of the putter. If there was anything I would show them... it would a film marathon of Ben Crenshaw, Dave Stockton, Michael Breed, etc. If there anything I could give them - it would be unlimited access to a decent practice green attached to 18 real ones. And if there were anything I could wish for them - it would be hoping they actually never fully crack the code.

 

 

I used to run a thread called WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD, I started it after reading about a singer that was dieing from melanoma. She was in the audience and asked if she could sing. The song was what a wonderful world and it was her last performance,, she died shortly afterwards. The singers name was Eva Cassidy and she only became well known after her death.

 

The other factor in starting the thread was my wife. We were sitting reading at the end of the day and she said I want to move, we did not like where we were living. That decision resulted in us finding our dream home which we call VALARAISO. This is a port town in Chilli, the name means paradise valley, which describes how we feel about life at present.

[thug the bunny]

FWIW - I never used to deeply believe much in a putter actually "fitting" a golfer. Always felt like you just bend over more (or less)... bend the arms more (or less) stand closer (or farther) and just putt any stupid putter and you'll roll that rock. Not so dismissive about that one having come to believe the putter needs to fit what I do rather than the other way around.

 

Equipment aside - and I lay no brag-post claim to being able to do this every time up... but I will share that my better putting days are when I have no emotional investment in the outcome. It's hard to even put words to it but over the ball - during the motion - and while holding the finish pose...on those better days I have describe it as being emotionally "detached". It's almost as tho I physically feel set and ready - mentally confident - but emotionally - goofy as it sounds I just don't care - if that makes any sense. It's like a separation of the positive physical and mental beliefs - from having any emotion about it. As said - this happens on the good days and/or better putts on off days. I'm aware of it when it happens - but can't always summons it up.

 

Oh well - lol - babble babble babble. Carry on gents. So much for Reason's book of "inner golf".

 

Judge, your 'inner golf' IMO actually carries through the full swing. In all the years of watching amateur swings, I have seen that too much is invested in the result rather than the type of ball contact. Hackers too often start looking for their shot before they even start their downswing. To actually focus on the ball strike you do have to be detached. You can't try to steer the ball with your eyes. In tennis this is a big issue - players have to concentrate on not looking where they want the ball to go, but rather on striking the ball the way they intend.

[mdgboxx]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

 

 

TOOL.....!

 

I confess, I read the following 6 posts before replying, now what I have to say sounds "blah", even to me.

 

Anthony Kim comes to mind. He always made putts with a minimum of authority. "Takes away some of the breaks" he'd say.

 

On a rainy night, you come to a longish puddle. You could walk around, but think: "I can do this". You swing one leg forward, the other naturally follows, and you land on the other side with dry socks---Happy place---.

 

Bring that Happy Place to the 6' putt, you'll sink most of them.

[Michael C.]

FWIW - I never used to deeply believe much in a putter actually "fitting" a golfer. Always felt like you just bend over more (or less)... bend the arms more (or less) stand closer (or farther) and just putt any stupid putter and you'll roll that rock. Not so dismissive about that one having come to believe the putter needs to fit what I do rather than the other way around.

 

Equipment aside - and I lay no brag-post claim to being able to do this every time up... but I will share that my better putting days are when I have no emotional investment in the outcome. It's hard to even put words to it but over the ball - during the motion - and while holding the finish pose...on those better days I have describe it as being emotionally "detached". It's almost as tho I physically feel set and ready - mentally confident - but emotionally - goofy as it sounds I just don't care - if that makes any sense. It's like a separation of the positive physical and mental beliefs - from having any emotion about it. As said - this happens on the good days and/or better putts on off days. I'm aware of it when it happens - but can't always summons it up.

 

Oh well - lol - babble babble babble. Carry on gents. So much for Reason's book of "inner golf".

 

Judge, your 'inner golf' IMO actually carries through the full swing. In all the years of watching amateur swings, I have seen that too much is invested in the result rather than the type of ball contact. Hackers too often start looking for their shot before they even start their downswing. To actually focus on the ball strike you do have to be detached. You can't try to steer the ball with your eyes. In tennis this is a big issue - players have to concentrate on not looking where they want the ball to go, but rather on striking the ball the way they intend.

 

Experienced this today. Had about a 20ft putt that I felt I really needed/wanted to make. Inner dialogue "make sure you get it there" followed by "you don't want a 6 footer coming back". Lol

 

I backed off and started over detaching myself from the outcome and made a stress free 2 putt. First putt was in the heart and 8 inches short but no bother. Stress free 2 putts are good.

 

I looked up counterbalanced putters. Do they feel like you have more control with them? The article I read stated they make the stroke feel more stable for those who are used to anchoring. I've never anchored but did putt well with the claw for a few months....until Mrs C told me looked "stupid" one day. I will say, it did help me solidify my stroke when I when back to the reverse overlap. Lol.

[Michael C.]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

 

 

TOOL.....!

 

I confess, I read the following 6 posts before replying, now what I have to say sounds "blah", even to me.

 

Anthony Kim comes to mind. He always made putts with a minimum of authority. "Takes away some of the breaks" he'd say.

 

On a rainy night, you come to a longish puddle. You could walk around, but think: "I can do this". You swing one leg forward, the other naturally follows, and you land on the other side with dry socks---Happy place---.

 

Bring that Happy Place to the 6' putt, you'll sink most of them.

 

Just like putt putt, mdg. Be firm and if you miss you can always hope for a good ricochet off the backboard. ;)

[Reasonability]

Tol that's fantastic. I believe while perusing the web I may have come across that Eva Cassidy story and like others had not known her work until she was gone. So cool you and you bride landed in such paradise. We take these leaps of faith and hope for the best - where we live is one of those great unknowns and you guys took another stab at it and found happiness. Cool!

 

So Matt with all you've done to study putter weights and such - do you ever choke up or down as part of your phone app drills to manage speed and distance? Or do you avoid moving your hands up and down on the handle?

 

Thug - you are laying down some fantastic stuff tonight! Yea - there is most definitely that "thing" where the motion has to be about the target - we have to "let go" and not steer it and such. "Hackers too often start looking for their shot before they even start their downswing. To actually focus on the ball strike you do have to be detached."

 

That's good stuff. Seems like a line gets crossed - sort of - where we visualize the shot (or putt) - and then tense up about it rather than letting go.

 

I tend to believe the emotional detachment thing helps prevent tension, negativity on the next shot in addition to the shot at hand. What I mean by that is if we tense up and get emotional once that rock is flying...then we anticipate that emotion at the setup of the next shot.

 

LOL - we've all seen it and probably have even done it... What flies to mind is the golfer who is curing and throwing a fit at the instant of impact. The poor guy doesn't even make into his finish pose and he's ranting and raving! Weil on a subtle level - that same 'tude' seems to literally become part of the plan before even going into motion. The emotions leak forward into the next shot and the next and so on.

 

MC - Counterbalance is one of those little waves that come and go... folks do it on the putter and all the way through the bag. The idea (allegedly) is that adding weight to the butt end of the club - the head will feel lighter and fly faster through the shot. Your hands somehow have a weight above them to "counter" the weight of the swinging club head. In effect it changes the "swing weight" even though it adds a bit to static weight.

 

I use the word 'allegedly' cause as we have proven right here amongst this group - it's something some folks swear by while others prefer avoiding it.

 

For a putter (just being honest here not taking sides)... I don't personally get it. The butt end of the handle and putter head are swinging together and the "fulcrum" of the stroke is up somewhere between the shoulders... not down in the yippy-hands. So what is being counter balanced in that deal? Maybe I should try it and then I'd like it. But because I'm not swinging the club up over my shoulders and back when putting - I struggle to understanding what is being "countered". I say that knowing there are many who swear by it. As said I haven't given it a fair try so what do I know?

[mdgboxx]

The putt is one of the most mysterious parts of the game. It's understandable when a drive drifts 30 yds off target - the club is travelling 100 mph and the ball is in the air such a long time any discrepancy between face and path will get magnified. But a 6 ft putt? I should be able to make a 6 ft putt with the head of a nail attached to a broom handle. The clubhead is travelling 1 mph, you don't have to rotate back and down through absurd positions, and thus you can carefully control path and face angle. And yet, it drives you crazy how hard a 6 footer is to make.

 

 

TOOL.....!

 

I confess, I read the following 6 posts before replying, now what I have to say sounds "blah", even to me.

 

Anthony Kim comes to mind. He always made putts with a minimum of authority. "Takes away some of the breaks" he'd say.

 

On a rainy night, you come to a longish puddle. You could walk around, but think: "I can do this". You swing one leg forward, the other naturally follows, and you land on the other side with dry socks---Happy place---.

 

Bring that Happy Place to the 6' putt, you'll sink most of them.

 

Just like putt putt, mdg. Be firm and if you miss you can always hope for a good ricochet off the backboard. ;)

 

Putt-Putt has the stimp of a pool table. Respect is the way to go. You sometimes have to bring your ball to an almost stand-still when going over a hump. The backboard is not always your friend. While I'm having a ball, it's a merciless way to get the hang of "Tempo = Distance".

 

TOOL, still.

[Reasonability]

The bulls eye was the predecessor to my current gamer. That poor thing... I mutilated the living snot out of it. Bent it in my shop vice with a rubber mallet to allow me to forward press the handle (just beat it to smithereens)... took the handle off and poured sand down the shaft followed by a glue-soaked cotton ball to add weight - added a 4" extension to the butt end - tried all sorts of grips. It was everything but what it was designed to do when I was done - lol. Once broke the shaft at the hosel trying to bend it - and glued a dowel stick inside like a splint and duct taped over the visible damage.. Man that poor thing should have exploded form all the butchering I gave her. So I'm a bad guy to give opines on the Bulls Eye cause mine suffered from an identity crisis. lol

[tolmij]

Tol that's fantastic. I believe while perusing the web I may have come across that Eva Cassidy story and like others had not known her work until she was gone. So cool you and you bride landed in such paradise. We take these leaps of faith and hope for the best - where we live is one of those great unknowns and you guys took another stab at it and found happiness. Cool!

 

So Matt with all you've done to study putter weights and such - do you ever choke up or down as part of your phone app drills to manage speed and distance? Or do you avoid moving your hands up and down on the handle?

 

Thug - you are laying down some fantastic stuff tonight! Yea - there is most definitely that "thing" where the motion has to be about the target - we have to "let go" and not steer it and such. "Hackers too often start looking for their shot before they even start their downswing. To actually focus on the ball strike you do have to be detached."

 

That's good stuff. Seems like a line gets crossed - sort of - where we visualize the shot (or putt) - and then tense up about it rather than letting go.

 

I tend to believe the emotional detachment thing helps prevent tension, negativity on the next shot in addition to the shot at hand. What I mean by that is if we tense up and get emotional once that rock is flying...then we anticipate that emotion at the setup of the next shot.

 

LOL - we've all seen it and probably have even done it... What flies to mind is the golfer who is curing and throwing a fit at the instant of impact. The poor guy doesn't even make into his finish pose and he's ranting and raving! Weil on a subtle level - that same 'tude' seems to literally become part of the plan before even going into motion. The emotions leak forward into the next shot and the next and so on.

 

MC - Counterbalance is one of those little waves that come and go... folks do it on the putter and all the way through the bag. The idea (allegedly) is that adding weight to the butt end of the club - the head will feel lighter and fly faster through the shot. Your hands somehow have a weight above them to "counter" the weight of the swinging club head. In effect it changes the "swing weight" even though it adds a bit to static weight.

 

I use the word 'allegedly' cause as we have proven right here amongst this group - it's something some folks swear by while others prefer avoiding it.

 

For a putter (just being honest here not taking sides)... I don't personally get it. The butt end of the handle and putter head are swinging together and the "fulcrum" of the stroke is up somewhere between the shoulders... not down in the yippy-hands. So what is being counter balanced in that deal? Maybe I should try it and then I'd like it. But because I'm not swinging the club up over my shoulders and back when putting - I struggle to understanding what is being "countered". I say that knowing there are many who swear by it. As said I haven't given it a fair try so what do I know?

 

 

Reason, you're such a cool guy, pity we live so far apart. I imagine you would be good company at the grill.

[Michael C.]

Tol- Reason's as crazy as a loon....which would make him excellent company at the Grille. Lol. ;)

 

He's got a seat in my golf cart anytime.

[Reasonability]

Tol that's fantastic. I believe while perusing the web I may have come across that Eva Cassidy story and like others had not known her work until she was gone. So cool you and you bride landed in such paradise. We take these leaps of faith and hope for the best - where we live is one of those great unknowns and you guys took another stab at it and found happiness. Cool!

 

So Matt with all you've done to study putter weights and such - do you ever choke up or down as part of your phone app drills to manage speed and distance? Or do you avoid moving your hands up and down on the handle?

 

Thug - you are laying down some fantastic stuff tonight! Yea - there is most definitely that "thing" where the motion has to be about the target - we have to "let go" and not steer it and such. "Hackers too often start looking for their shot before they even start their downswing. To actually focus on the ball strike you do have to be detached."

 

That's good stuff. Seems like a line gets crossed - sort of - where we visualize the shot (or putt) - and then tense up about it rather than letting go.

 

I tend to believe the emotional detachment thing helps prevent tension, negativity on the next shot in addition to the shot at hand. What I mean by that is if we tense up and get emotional once that rock is flying...then we anticipate that emotion at the setup of the next shot.

 

LOL - we've all seen it and probably have even done it... What flies to mind is the golfer who is curing and throwing a fit at the instant of impact. The poor guy doesn't even make into his finish pose and he's ranting and raving! Weil on a subtle level - that same 'tude' seems to literally become part of the plan before even going into motion. The emotions leak forward into the next shot and the next and so on.

 

MC - Counterbalance is one of those little waves that come and go... folks do it on the putter and all the way through the bag. The idea (allegedly) is that adding weight to the butt end of the club - the head will feel lighter and fly faster through the shot. Your hands somehow have a weight above them to "counter" the weight of the swinging club head. In effect it changes the "swing weight" even though it adds a bit to static weight.

 

I use the word 'allegedly' cause as we have proven right here amongst this group - it's something some folks swear by while others prefer avoiding it.

 

For a putter (just being honest here not taking sides)... I don't personally get it. The butt end of the handle and putter head are swinging together and the "fulcrum" of the stroke is up somewhere between the shoulders... not down in the yippy-hands. So what is being counter balanced in that deal? Maybe I should try it and then I'd like it. But because I'm not swinging the club up over my shoulders and back when putting - I struggle to understanding what is being "countered". I say that knowing there are many who swear by it. As said I haven't given it a fair try so what do I know?

 

 

Reason, you're such a cool guy, pity we live so far apart. I imagine you would be good company at the grill.

 

TYVM, sir! Right back at you!

 

I do have that one axe murder thing in my past. Just the once. He said something about my old putter grip so I had to take him out. (LOL)

[Reasonability]

Tol- Reason's as crazy as a loon....which would make him excellent company at the Grille. Lol. ;)

 

He's got a seat in my golf cart anytime.

 

Don't listen to him Tol. He's our resident pro golfer - posing as a humble amateur. You've heard of Mo Speithvino?

 

In the flesh!