Clubhouse Grille (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS ***) (*** NO POLITICS/RELIGION ***)

[Michael C.]

Tol- Reason's as crazy as a loon....which would make him excellent company at the Grille. Lol. ;)

 

He's got a seat in my golf cart anytime.

 

Don't listen to him Tol. He's our resident pro golfer - posing as a humble amateur. You've heard of Mo Speithvino?

 

In the flesh!

 

Ha! Pro golfer?! Ha

 

Only around newbies in yoga pants. Yessirree! ;) :cheesy:

[tolmij]

Tol- Reason's as crazy as a loon....which would make him excellent company at the Grille. Lol. ;)

 

He's got a seat in my golf cart anytime.

 

The reason I am now here rather than my old golf forum, is they are dry as stale bread. They think they have a sense of humour, unfortunately it is sadly lacking.

[tolmij]

Have any of you heard of cane toads, we call them cane toads because they were first imported into Australia to control the cane beetle. There were aproximately100 introduced in North Queensland in 1935.

 

Two facts that were not considered,

 

1 cane beetles can climb and do so.

2 cane toads cannot climb.

 

The result is an explosion of an extremely invasive species that at a conservative estimate now number well over 200 million. They eat all the small native frogs and toads they come across, the grow to excess of 4 lbs and are highly toxic. Many native predators are nearly extinct from eating them. They are pests of massive proportion and are present in most Queensland gardens where they can kill any domedpstic animal that touches them. Some native birds have divised a way of eating them, they turn them onto their backs and rip open the stomach, the poison glands being on their upper back.

 

One good result is many golfers walk through their gardens with an iron, using them for golf practice.

 

Now where in the world you may ask could such a venamouse creature originate, it transpires the original stock came from HAWAII.

[tolmij]

Tol- Reason's as crazy as a loon....which would make him excellent company at the Grille. Lol. ;)

 

He's got a seat in my golf cart anytime.

 

Don't listen to him Tol. He's our resident pro golfer - posing as a humble amateur. You've heard of Mo Speithvino?

 

In the flesh!

 

Ha! Pro golfer?! Ha

 

Only around newbies in yoga pants. Yessirree! ;) :cheesy:

 

Are yoga pants even legal on the golf course.

 

Bet you look really ducky in them :wub:

[Michael C.]

Tol- Reason's as crazy as a loon....which would make him excellent company at the Grille. Lol. ;)

 

He's got a seat in my golf cart anytime.

 

Don't listen to him Tol. He's our resident pro golfer - posing as a humble amateur. You've heard of Mo Speithvino?

 

In the flesh!

 

Ha! Pro golfer?! Ha

 

Only around newbies in yoga pants. Yessirree! ;) :cheesy:

 

Are yoga pants even legal on the golf course.

 

Bet you look really ducky in them :wub:

 

I'm not sure. They're perfectly acceptable at the driving range that I frequent. Lol.

 

And I don't wear yoga pants, mate....as far as you know. Teehee. :D

[Conrad1953]

My my my, a 4lb poisonous toad. 200 million of them!

 

We have different problem here. Someone years ago thought it would

be a good idea to being an invasive vine here for a reason I can't

remember now. That vine (kudsu) is all over the south. It'll take over

a whole friggin' neighborhood and kill as many trees as it can.

 

On the other hand, me being a native Californian, I was grateful for all

the beautiful Eucalyptus trees brought there from down under.

 

Many people don't know that horses were not indigenous to the US but

were brought here by the Spaniards. They are so much a part of American

history and culture that they just seem to most like they were always here

running wild on the prairies.

[SixtySomePing]

Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?

 

The guy who wrote it wrote everything...

[Michael C.]

Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?

 

The guy who wrote it wrote everything...

 

Barry Manilow???

[tolmij]

My my my, a 4lb poisonous toad. 200 million of them!

 

We have different problem here. Someone years ago thought it would

be a good idea to being an invasive vine here for a reason I can't

remember now. That vine (kudsu) is all over the south. It'll take over

a whole friggin' neighborhood and kill as many trees as it can.

 

On the other hand, me being a native Californian, I was grateful for all

the beautiful Eucalyptus trees brought there from down under.

 

Many people don't know that horses were not indigenous to the US but

were brought here by the Spaniards. They are so much a part of American

history and culture that they just seem to most like they were always here

running wild on the prairies.

 

We have that weed as well, it's illegal to not destroy it if you know it's there. It chokes up all the waterways.

 

There are many scientists, botanists and just stupid people who should be locked away for the damage they have done.

 

The cane toads are spreading as they acclimatise to cooler regions.

[Fellaheen51]

Tol, there's another Aussie chap (Nomad Golfer) that posts regularly in Classic. Also, Old Player is an Aussie IIRC. Maybe should arrange an introduction here in the Grille. Anyway, there was a brief conversation about King Brown snakes and Taipans being found in and around golf courses. TTB even stopped by to offer his insight on how he get his "jolly's" playing with snakes while out on his nature walks. Somewhere it was mentioned that "Salties" were moving inland (?) due to high water. Now 4 lb. poisonous toads. Jeez!!!!

 

Don't think I could play consistently in an environment where "beasts of the wild" could inflict bodily harm or actually kill me. Even got a little freaked the first time I saw an alligator in a pond on a course in Florida. Right there next to the green, about an 8 footer. Could have jumped right out of the water and ate me! I know he was staring at me, waiting, if I got to close. The worse things I contend with around here are when the black flies and mosquitos are out in force. I will no longer complain.

 

Was playing in the Tucson area once, number of years ago. Hit a wayward ball off into the scrub. Brand new premium ball IIRC. Went chasing after it, figuring I would have a shot from the desert if I could locate it. The ranger came by and mentioned that I shouldn't be off looking for lost balls in the desert. They had seen a 4' rattlesnake in the vicinity a couple of days prior. Whoa!! I high stepped it out of there pronto. Stayed in the middle of the fairway the rest of the round. Regardless of where my ball was actually hit. Have a real phobia about snakes. Don't like them one little bit. A biblical fear of the serpent.

[SixtySomePing]

Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?

 

The guy who wrote it wrote everything...

 

Barry Manilow???

 

HIJKLManililowpee... :rofl:

[tolmij]

Tol, there's another Aussie chap (Nomad Golfer) that posts regularly in Classic. Also, Old Player is an Aussie IIRC. Maybe should arrange an introduction here in the Grill. Anyway, there was a brief conversation about King Brown snakes and Taipans being found in and around golf courses. TTB even stopped by to offer his insight on how he get his "jolly's" playing with snakes while out on his nature walks. Somewhere it was mentioned that "Salties" were moving inland (?) due to high water. Now 4 lb. poisonous toads. Jeez!!!!

 

Don't think I could play consistently in an environment where "beasts of the wild" could inflict bodily harm or actually kill me. Even got a little freaked the first time I saw an alligator in a pond on a course in Florida. Right there next to the green, about an 8 footer. Could have jumped right out of the water and ate me! I know he was staring at me, waiting, if I got to close. The worse things I contend with around here are when the black flies and mosquitos are out in force. I will no longer complain.

 

Was playing in the Tucson area once, number of years ago. Hit a wayward ball off into the scrub. Brand new premium ball IIRC. Went chasing after it, figuring I would have a shot from the desert if I could locate it. The ranger came by and mentioned that I shouldn't be off looking for lost balls in the desert. They had seen a 4' rattlesnake in the vicinity a couple of days prior. Whoa!! I high stepped it out of there pronto. Stayed in the middle of the fairway the rest of the round. Regardless of where my ball was actually hit. Have a real phobia about snakes. Don't like them one little bit. A biblical fear of the serpent.

 

 

The Taipan is the most poisenous snake ever and the salty is unlike your crock, they are very aggressive.

 

We were told about the wildlife before moving to Australia. If it does not poison you it will try to eat you. That's a pretty fair assessment of a lot of Australian wildlife.

 

If you play with Australian snakes you have a few screws loose, they are aggressive and fast. People have died within an hour after being bitten by an eastern brown snake. The bite from a funnel web spider will kill quickly and kangaroos can be very aggressive.

 

Apart from that, the climate is good and golf is relatively cheap to play, so there are some pluses.

[CrabDaddy]

Tol that's fantastic. I believe while perusing the web I may have come across that Eva Cassidy story and like others had not known her work until she was gone. So cool you and you bride landed in such paradise. We take these leaps of faith and hope for the best - where we live is one of those great unknowns and you guys took another stab at it and found happiness. Cool!

 

So Matt with all you've done to study putter weights and such - do you ever choke up or down as part of your phone app drills to manage speed and distance? Or do you avoid moving your hands up and down on the handle?

 

Thug - you are laying down some fantastic stuff tonight! Yea - there is most definitely that "thing" where the motion has to be about the target - we have to "let go" and not steer it and such. "Hackers too often start looking for their shot before they even start their downswing. To actually focus on the ball strike you do have to be detached."

 

That's good stuff. Seems like a line gets crossed - sort of - where we visualize the shot (or putt) - and then tense up about it rather than letting go.

 

I tend to believe the emotional detachment thing helps prevent tension, negativity on the next shot in addition to the shot at hand. What I mean by that is if we tense up and get emotional once that rock is flying...then we anticipate that emotion at the setup of the next shot.

 

LOL - we've all seen it and probably have even done it... What flies to mind is the golfer who is curing and throwing a fit at the instant of impact. The poor guy doesn't even make into his finish pose and he's ranting and raving! Weil on a subtle level - that same 'tude' seems to literally become part of the plan before even going into motion. The emotions leak forward into the next shot and the next and so on.

 

MC - Counterbalance is one of those little waves that come and go... folks do it on the putter and all the way through the bag. The idea (allegedly) is that adding weight to the butt end of the club - the head will feel lighter and fly faster through the shot. Your hands somehow have a weight above them to "counter" the weight of the swinging club head. In effect it changes the "swing weight" even though it adds a bit to static weight.

 

I use the word 'allegedly' cause as we have proven right here amongst this group - it's something some folks swear by while others prefer avoiding it.

 

For a putter (just being honest here not taking sides)... I don't personally get it. The butt end of the handle and putter head are swinging together and the "fulcrum" of the stroke is up somewhere between the shoulders... not down in the yippy-hands. So what is being counter balanced in that deal? Maybe I should try it and then I'd like it. But because I'm not swinging the club up over my shoulders and back when putting - I struggle to understanding what is being "countered". I say that knowing there are many who swear by it. As said I haven't given it a fair try so what do I know?

Counter balancing, the way I understood it and seems to ring true, is that, like you said, it maintains SW while increasing overall weight. This is important because, while you may power the stroke with the shoulders, there is always influence from the wrists. If you feel the weight of the head you may be more inclined to steer it with the hands or the head may actually "get away from you". To me, it feels like I swing the entire club and not just the head. But, I tend to use my right arm in the stroke, so that may also account for my preference/performance (such as it is).

[CrabDaddy]

My my my, a 4lb poisonous toad. 200 million of them!

 

We have different problem here. Someone years ago thought it would

be a good idea to being an invasive vine here for a reason I can't

remember now. That vine (kudsu) is all over the south. It'll take over

a whole friggin' neighborhood and kill as many trees as it can.

 

On the other hand, me being a native Californian, I was grateful for all

the beautiful Eucalyptus trees brought there from down under.

 

Many people don't know that horses were not indigenous to the US but

were brought here by the Spaniards. They are so much a part of American

history and culture that they just seem to most like they were always here

running wild on the prairies.

Earthworms (via tobacco roots) and pheasants are not indigenous either. The list is surprisingly long - you only hear about the non-indigenous species that don't fit in or are hard to contain.

[Michael C.]

I don't appreciate the Illinois winters but do like the lack of dangerous creatures. They say we have no poisonous snakes but you will hear people say they've seen the occasional Water Moccasin. White Tail deer are abundant. In the fall when they go in rut you have to be careful driving. The gnats and mosquitoes are annoying but all in all there's nothing here too dangerous...just annoying. If you can dodge the tornadoes, you're good to go.

[CrabDaddy]

I'm at the beach, fixing up my condo before rental season and one of the things I enjoy is running on the boardwalk in the morning.

Observations/ponderings from my morning run:

The average age of people on the boardwalk is 40 years older at 7 am than it is at 9 pm.

The average weight is 40 lbs heavier at 9 pm than at 7 am.

I'm a sucker for blondes. (My wife isn't blonde but I'm a sucker for her, too!)

The above is very superficial of me, but superficial is all I can see and everbody's pancreas looks the same anyway.

It doesn't really make much sense because being blonde is just a state of mindless.

Instincts are powerful things. If I see a hot young chick, I improve my posture and pick up the pace. Foolish? At first glance, yes, but it serves as a bio-feedback mechanism. When I'm not sucking wind so bad that I don't care how fit I look, it means I need to pick up the intensity.

There's something appealling about the smell of salty air ... until something dead gets washed up on the rocks.

Oveure.

 

[tolmij]

It's just on midnight here, I looked for the last time before turning in and noticed my like count.

 

202.

 

 

Now that's impressive.

 

Thank you for your support, you really know how to make someone feel welcome.

 

Good night to all. :)

[DeNinny]

Tol, there's another Aussie chap (Nomad Golfer) that posts regularly in Classic. Also, Old Player is an Aussie IIRC. Maybe should arrange an introduction here in the Grille

...

Oldplayer is for sure an Aussie and FYI he is a WRX mega-ho. He has more clubs/iron sets than anybody else I have encountered on WRX...much club knowledge he has.

 

Portland luckily only has a "harmless" (<- as in they can't kill a golfer) nutria infestation. They were transplanted here from South America and now compete with the indigenous beavers and they tear up native plants and soil. They are like big brown rats.

[DeNinny]

R.I.P. Gordie Howe.

[Fellaheen51]

R.I.P. Gordie Howe.

 

Just heard about this, was reading the storylines on the local Detroit newspaper sites. "Mr Hockey" was one of the best of all time. The personification of a sports legend. Fearsome competitor, one tough hombre. And a very humble, down to earth individual. Forever revered in this town. Gretzky wore 99 in honor of No. 9, Gordie Howe. He had been ill for some time so this doesn't come as a complete shock. Still.

 

RIP Mr. Howe. Thanks for the memories.

[SixtySomePing]

R.I.P. Gordie Howe.

 

9 Mr. Hockey... gone but never forgotten

[SixtySomePing]

I don't appreciate the Illinois winters but do like the lack of dangerous creatures. They say we have no poisonous snakes but you will hear people say they've seen the occasional Water Moccasin. White Tail deer are abundant. In the fall when they go in rut you have to be careful driving. The gnats and mosquitoes are annoying but all in all there's nothing here too dangerous...just annoying. If you can dodge the tornadoes, you're good to go.

 

Sounds like Ohio... we don't have any snakes or anything, weather isn't so bad, but we do have cottontail rabbits, I have a few in my backyard, wow, they're scary... they eat clover and stuff, then they run like all over when they see you, heck, who knows what they do when you're asleep... probably sneaking up on your house with ideas to get rid of you, ears up, those big eyes lookin' in, ugh, the very thought, no wonder we can't sleep. Good thing we have our own rabbit to protect us, eh Thug?

[Michael C.]

I don't appreciate the Illinois winters but do like the lack of dangerous creatures. They say we have no poisonous snakes but you will hear people say they've seen the occasional Water Moccasin. White Tail deer are abundant. In the fall when they go in rut you have to be careful driving. The gnats and mosquitoes are annoying but all in all there's nothing here too dangerous...just annoying. If you can dodge the tornadoes, you're good to go.

 

Sounds like Ohio... we don't have any snakes or anything, weather isn't so bad, but we do have cottontail rabbits, I have a few in my backyard, wow, they're scary... they eat clover and stuff, then they run like all over when they see you, heck, who knows what they do when you're asleep... probably sneaking up on your house with ideas to get rid of you, ears up, those big eyes lookin' in, ugh, the very thought, no wonder we can't sleep. Good thing we have our own rabbit to protect us, eh Thug?

 

Oh yeah, we have them too, Mr Sixty. Dem wascawy wabbits!!

 

RIP...Mr. Howe.

[DeNinny]

R.I.P. Gordie Howe.

 

Just heard about this, was reading the storylines on the local Detroit newspaper sites. "Mr Hockey" was one of the best of all time. The personification of a sports legend. Fearsome competitor, one tough hombre. And a very humble, down to earth individual. Forever revered in this town. Gretzky wore 99 in honor of No. 9, Gordie Howe. He had been ill for some time so this doesn't come as a complete shock. Still.

 

RIP Mr. Howe. Thanks for the memories.

 

The fact that the "Gordie hat trick" was coined is a compliment and indication of his scoring (a goal), passing (an assist), and toughness (LOL a fight) skills. He was the perfect all around hockey player.

[thug the bunny]

I don't appreciate the Illinois winters but do like the lack of dangerous creatures. They say we have no poisonous snakes but you will hear people say they've seen the occasional Water Moccasin. White Tail deer are abundant. In the fall when they go in rut you have to be careful driving. The gnats and mosquitoes are annoying but all in all there's nothing here too dangerous...just annoying. If you can dodge the tornadoes, you're good to go.

 

Sounds like Ohio... we don't have any snakes or anything, weather isn't so bad, but we do have cottontail rabbits, I have a few in my backyard, wow, they're scary... they eat clover and stuff, then they run like all over when they see you, heck, who knows what they do when you're asleep... probably sneaking up on your house with ideas to get rid of you, ears up, those big eyes lookin' in, ugh, the very thought, no wonder we can't sleep. Good thing we have our own rabbit to protect us, eh Thug?

 

Yes sir, the thugster is our guard bunny, although he is getting old. Is that a lop you have?

[mdgboxx]

My my my, a 4lb poisonous toad. 200 million of them!

 

We have different problem here. Someone years ago thought it would

be a good idea to being an invasive vine here for a reason I can't

remember now. That vine (kudsu) is all over the south. It'll take over

a whole friggin' neighborhood and kill as many trees as it can.

 

On the other hand, me being a native Californian, I was grateful for all

the beautiful Eucalyptus trees brought there from down under.

 

Many people don't know that horses were not indigenous to the US but

were brought here by the Spaniards. They are so much a part of American

history and culture that they just seem to most like they were always here

running wild on the prairies.

 

I believe Grass/Lawn is not native to North America either. Weed, however.......???

[SixtySomePing]

I don't appreciate the Illinois winters but do like the lack of dangerous creatures. They say we have no poisonous snakes but you will hear people say they've seen the occasional Water Moccasin. White Tail deer are abundant. In the fall when they go in rut you have to be careful driving. The gnats and mosquitoes are annoying but all in all there's nothing here too dangerous...just annoying. If you can dodge the tornadoes, you're good to go.

 

Sounds like Ohio... we don't have any snakes or anything, weather isn't so bad, but we do have cottontail rabbits, I have a few in my backyard, wow, they're scary... they eat clover and stuff, then they run like all over when they see you, heck, who knows what they do when you're asleep... probably sneaking up on your house with ideas to get rid of you, ears up, those big eyes lookin' in, ugh, the very thought, no wonder we can't sleep. Good thing we have our own rabbit to protect us, eh Thug?

 

Yes sir, the thugster is our guard bunny, although he is getting old. Is that a lop you have?

 

Yes, Muffin the Holland Lop...

 

I apologize to the world... my dear sweet wife dresses him up and puts him in a stroller (he lets you do anything) and says it for the grandkids to play with (right) :) pic of her and her pal (that could be me she's hugging, ha..) the rabbit is 8, she is 61... what happened to me I don't know...

[Reasonability]

R.I.P. Gordie Howe.

 

Just heard about this, was reading the storylines on the local Detroit newspaper sites. "Mr Hockey" was one of the best of all time. The personification of a sports legend. Fearsome competitor, one tough hombre. And a very humble, down to earth individual. Forever revered in this town. Gretzky wore 99 in honor of No. 9, Gordie Howe. He had been ill for some time so this doesn't come as a complete shock. Still.

 

RIP Mr. Howe. Thanks for the memories.

 

The fact that the "Gordie hat trick" was coined is a compliment and indication of his scoring (a goal), passing (an assist), and toughness (LOL a fight) skills. He was the perfect all around hockey player.

 

Many of us were raised in places where Hockey was the province of folks living only in northern climates. The name Godie Howe transcended all that. He gave even the non-engaged a connection to the sport. Ali did the same with boxing.

 

Hate seeing our icons leave us - sure glad we had them.

 

I fear we are very close to losing one of (if not THE) all time greats in our sport next. Hope I'm wrong about that one. Don't even want to utter his name in the same sentence as losing him.

[DeNinny]

R.I.P. Gordie Howe.

 

Just heard about this, was reading the storylines on the local Detroit newspaper sites. "Mr Hockey" was one of the best of all time. The personification of a sports legend. Fearsome competitor, one tough hombre. And a very humble, down to earth individual. Forever revered in this town. Gretzky wore 99 in honor of No. 9, Gordie Howe. He had been ill for some time so this doesn't come as a complete shock. Still.

 

RIP Mr. Howe. Thanks for the memories.

 

The fact that the "Gordie hat trick" was coined is a compliment and indication of his scoring (a goal), passing (an assist), and toughness (LOL a fight) skills. He was the perfect all around hockey player.

 

Many of us were raised in places where Hockey was the province of folks living only in northern climates. The name Godie Howe transcended all that. He gave even the non-engaged a connection to the sport. Ali did the same with boxing.

 

Hate seeing our icons leave us - sure glad we had them.

 

I fear we are very close to losing one of (if not THE) all time greats in our sport next. Hope I'm wrong about that one. Don't even want to utter his name in the same sentence as losing him.

 

Unfortunately I didn't get to see much of Howe play outside of clips. I became a hockey fan after the 'Miracle on Ice' in 1980, and saw Gretzky become The Great One.

 

Ali was the greatest athlete of my time for sure. And I am a bigger Jordan fan. Pele is up there too, but I don't see any other sports figure that transcended the sport itself more than Ali did.

[BIG STU]

Three dumb questions - cause I happen to be the perfect guy for them...

 

1 On really fast greens - a lighter putter makes it is easier to manage distance control than a heavier one? Which would make the reverse true - where on moderate to slower greens the heavier putter would be a little easier to control distance. Yes? NO? Maybe?

 

(How light is too light and how heavy is too heavy is in the eye of the beholder....so just in general does the static weight of a putter factor into normal green speed?)

 

2. Forgetting static weight of the putter completely for the moment... distances in putting are controlled by managing the length of the stroke at the same basic tempo? - OR - It's better to forget the length of the stroke and tempo stuff and just focus on either hitting it hard (or not so hard if need be). Is it one, the other, a little bit of both?

 

3. Does the term "exclusive furniture" mean only certain people can sit on it?

I have an Odyssey Tank Cruiser - 38", counter-balanced - and I like the stability of the heavy head on fast and slow greens. 'Stability' may be the wrong word, but the greater mass seems to help maintain orientation and direction. I pull out my Rossie and Anser 2 occassionally to keep it honest, and I can't kick it out of the bag. I don't know if it's the weight of the putter or just me, but I have to be vigilant about keeping my backswing shorter than what currently feels 'natural'. But, I like to control distance with both bs length and effort. Like Stu said, see it, then do it.

Actually you are correct on the term stability and you are correct as to why it works for you. Now for the same reasons it does not work for me I can not feel what the head is doing and I have always had a little flaw in my putting stroke but my eyes and feel tells my hands where and what to do. In truth it is TOO stable for me. Seems to me it has the perfect weight feel and balance for you