'playing what the pros play'

[JPC187]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

[tsecor]

ego in every sense of the word

 

I play titleist ;)

[MtlJeff]

Yes ego and image about sums it up. Not everyone is like this but there's always guys here and there who are in any walk of life

[JPC187]

Yes ego and image about sums it up. Not everyone is like this but there's always guys here and there who are in any walk of life

 

I hear you... but it's just insane to me to sacrifice your game for that. Isn't the ultimate ego trip posting low scores!?

[jbhawx]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

[Burglar]

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

 

Nothing wrong with it. Courses have red tees for a reason.

 

 

 

Just kidding

[jbhawx]

You do know pros get big time sponsors deals from OEMs based on this exact logic right? According to OEMs a lot of their sales come from people who want to "play what the pros play".

[tsecor]

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

 

Nothing wrong with it. Courses have red tees for a reason.

 

 

 

Just kidding

 

wow...lol......

[arkurczi]

Great post. When I put together my current set up I looked at what provided the best results on my misses...and I am posting the best scores that I ever have!

[Tcann32]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

 

Nothings wrong with that, but if you're willing to pay that kinda money for a shaft, one would just think you'd buy one that would help your game. They'd probably hit the ball further with a different shaft.

[ecrugger]

Ego might be part of it, but I think ignorance is a much bigger factor. Most players think that if they pay more for something, and especially if the pros use it, it must be "better." I think most simply don't know that there is equipment out there designed to help the average golfer.

[tsecor]

I think most simply don't know that there is equipment out there designed to help the average golfer.

 

what??? SGI irons make every shot dead center and you can hit these on the toe without any loss in distance....that's all i hear as an average golfer.....of course people know, they just refuse to go along with it

 

a family member of mine just purchased a nike driver...on trackman, he hit the ping LS 20 yards further and straighter but still bought the Nike.....he wants to have Nike regardless of his scoring....its strange

[JPC187]

I think most simply don't know that there is equipment out there designed to help the average golfer.

 

what??? SGI irons make every shot dead center and you can hit these on the toe without any loss in distance....that's all i hear as an average golfer.....of course people know, they just refuse to go along with it

 

a family member of mine just purchased a nike driver...on trackman, he hit the ping LS 20 yards further and straighter but still bought the Nike.....he wants to have Nike regardless of his scoring....its strange

 

 

That is so...weird!

[JPC187]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

 

What? Nothing is wrong with it... that isn't what I said or implied whatsoever. The point is if you don't hit the ball far and don't have a high swing speed why would you play a shaft design for much higher swing speeds?

[MtlJeff]

It's a misconception that golfers are playing for score. The vast majority are not really playing to shoot the best score, they are playing for fun, and there's nothing wrong with that. If it makes them happy to say they play the same shafts as Jason Day than so be it

 

If you gave someone 50000$ to shoot his personal best, I bet there's a lot of golfers who would suddenly care a lot more about fits them best

[blink3665]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

 

What? Nothing is wrong with it... that isn't what I said or implied whatsoever. The point is if you don't hit the ball far and don't have a high swing speed why would you play a shaft design for much higher swing speeds?

 

Because sometimes... when he REALLY steps on it. He swings 101 instead of 99.

 

LOL. That being said, I'm a slow swinger who doesnt fly it 260. :( I think some people might not actually know how fast they swing? I always thought that since I was in good shape and relatively young.. I was swinging it 105-110. I finally got fit and it opened my eyes (really a 95-98 mph swinger). Before I figured out my actual swing specs I was trying all sorts of stupid stuff as far as shafts go.

 

Or. It could just be an ego thing. Some people like to have the newest shiniest stuff no matter what it does to their game.

[JPC187]

It's a misconception that golfers are playing for score. The vast majority are not really playing to shoot the best score, they are playing for fun, and there's nothing wrong with that. If it makes them happy to say they play the same shafts as Jason Day than so be it

 

If you gave someone 50000$ to shoot his personal best, I bet there's a lot of golfers who would suddenly care a lot more about fits them best

 

That's a good point- I didn't think about that.

[robrey85]

I agree with most golfers being ignorant. Us WRXr's are a rare breed. We are inquisitive, we want to know what we play is what fits us best, with a few exceptions of us who come on here, most of us are that way.

 

The average golfer, doesn't care, nor wants to know. He(or she for that matter) doesn't care about swing improvements, finding what club fits them and why this one doesn't or what is going on in the swing, etc, etc...They just want to play. Improving is a side effect from playing.

 

One of my regular buddies I play with is exactly this way and he's about a 9 index. So to play with the pro plays, may not necessarily make them play better but mentally knowing they have, "the best equipment" will help them play better.

[rtran]

the game improvement clubs are ugly and chunky

[boggyman]

Yes ego and image about sums it up. Not everyone is like this but there's always guys here and there who are in any walk of life

 

I hear you... but it's just insane to me to sacrifice your game for that. Isn't the ultimate ego trip posting low scores!?

Scores are usually a lie,at least by a lot of folks. Play what works & do ones best not to give two s.... about what folks think of your bag.

[boggyman]

It's a misconception that golfers are playing for score. The vast majority are not really playing to shoot the best score, they are playing for fun, and there's nothing wrong with that. If it makes them happy to say they play the same shafts as Jason Day than so be it

 

If you gave someone 50000$ to shoot his personal best, I bet there's a lot of golfers who would suddenly care a lot more about fits them best

Now you're talking!!! Most people couldn't get it off the ground for $50,000 lololololololol!! In all seriousness, it's all ego & nothing more like anything else. Nice post!

[dunn]

Every sport is same regardless.....everyone wants to use what professionals do.....been this way forever

[jbhawx]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

Wait what...

 

What the hell is wrong with driving 260?

 

What? Nothing is wrong with it... that isn't what I said or implied whatsoever. The point is if you don't hit the ball far and don't have a high swing speed why would you play a shaft design for much higher swing speeds?

 

No worries man. Technically speaking I play a shaft that is not fit for me. I play a tour spec speeder 757 shaft in my driver in a stiff flex. My swing speed is well below 105. However; I routinely hit it over 240 yards (I use game golf so I can back it up). So if it works I say go for it lol. Before I went to my current setup my drivers averaged 225 tops and driving 200 was common place, and I used a regular shaft off the rack setup.

 

So a driver fitting is always sound advice. I did my own driver fitting and haven't hit a better driver since :D

[Kingcat990]

This guy....christ. The term "these guys" and "their drivers" implies they both had the exact same driver and both could "barely" fly it 260. They sound like terrible golfers to me. You should tell them exactly what to play you professional you!

[duffer987]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

A bit more exposition is really required before making any connection between a driver shaft and any larger meaning :)

 

I know very little about driver shafts, how stout is this shaft, that it is too much for someone who carries 260? Say that gets a 275 roll out and that's enough to play pretty much any typical course from the back pegs.

How did you know the shaft that was being played? Was this player talking about it?

Did the player make specific references to it being a shaft that was played by a specific tour pro?

What head was paired up with the shaft?

[Nessism]

Lots of assumptions going on about the player in question, in particular how do you guys know that shaft doesn't work for the guy?

 

Shafts don't add propulsion so playing with a shaft that's "too stiff" will not cause distance loss, UNLESS the shaft is causing him some launch condition problem (like hitting the ball too low).

 

What was this guy's ball trajectory like?

 

If he could fly the ball 260 that's indicative of pretty good club head swing - approaching 110 mph. In most shafts that would put the player on the boarder of Stiff and X-Stiff. Which to play depends on feel preference and optimizing launch and spin.

 

All this said, yes, the guy could be a poser. Unless he's hitting worm burner drives all day there is nothing wrong with using that shaft though.

[mahonie]

One of my golf mates won a competition with Cobra that included a professional fitting and set of clubs with the European Tour fitter for Cobra (as well as all inclusive trip to California, playing with Fowler, Poulter, et al...lucky beggar). Anyway at the fitting, my mate who is a 7 handicap and a very good driver of the ball, was hitting his R1 260 yards with the 'off the shelf' TM stiff shaft. With the Cobra Cell, fitted with standard stiff shaft, he was hitting it 263 yards with a similar dispersion to the R1. The fitter reckoned he could do better than that, tried a different shaft and my mate was pushing it out to 270 yards. Then he realised that my mate didn't have to pay for the shaft. He disappeared into the Tour Bus and came back with another shaft, fitted it to the driver and immediately my mate was hitting it 285 yards with a tighter dispersion. He had the same shaft put into his 4-wood. I think they were Graphite Design shafts that are only available to the tour and cost about £350 each. My mates improved driving and improved confidence overall had him down to 5 handicap in a few weeks.

[Nessism]

One of my golf mates won a competition with Cobra that included a professional fitting and set of clubs with the European Tour fitter for Cobra (as well as all inclusive trip to California, playing with Fowler, Poulter, et al...lucky beggar). Anyway at the fitting, my mate who is a 7 handicap and a very good driver of the ball, was hitting his R1 260 yards with the 'off the shelf' TM stiff shaft. With the Cobra Cell, fitted with standard stiff shaft, he was hitting it 263 yards with a similar dispersion to the R1. The fitter reckoned he could do better than that, tried a different shaft and my mate was pushing it out to 270 yards. Then he realised that my mate didn't have to pay for the shaft. He disappeared into the Tour Bus and came back with another shaft, fitted it to the driver and immediately my mate was hitting it 285 yards with a tighter dispersion. He had the same shaft put into his 4-wood. I think they were Graphite Design shafts that are only available to the tour and cost about £350 each. My mates improved driving and improved confidence overall had him down to 5 handicap in a few weeks.

 

The only way to pick up 25 yards from a shaft change is if he was very poorly fit in the first place. Either he was ballooning the ball like crazy or hitting it too low.

[mahonie]

One of my golf mates won a competition with Cobra that included a professional fitting and set of clubs with the European Tour fitter for Cobra (as well as all inclusive trip to California, playing with Fowler, Poulter, et al...lucky beggar). Anyway at the fitting, my mate who is a 7 handicap and a very good driver of the ball, was hitting his R1 260 yards with the 'off the shelf' TM stiff shaft. With the Cobra Cell, fitted with standard stiff shaft, he was hitting it 263 yards with a similar dispersion to the R1. The fitter reckoned he could do better than that, tried a different shaft and my mate was pushing it out to 270 yards. Then he realised that my mate didn't have to pay for the shaft. He disappeared into the Tour Bus and came back with another shaft, fitted it to the driver and immediately my mate was hitting it 285 yards with a tighter dispersion. He had the same shaft put into his 4-wood. I think they were Graphite Design shafts that are only available to the tour and cost about £350 each. My mates improved driving and improved confidence overall had him down to 5 handicap in a few weeks.

 

The only way to pick up 25 yards from a shaft change is if he was very poorly fit in the first place. Either he was ballooning the ball like crazy or hitting it too low.

 

His R1 was bought off the Internet and wasn't fitted at all so the fact that he picked up 10 yards with the 'standard' Cobra upgrade shaft perhaps demonstrated that, although his ball flight looked fine to me. The fact that he picked up another 15 yards with the 'tour' shaft could be down to a number of factors; confidence in the shaft; he was properly warmed up and in the slot. My point is he did pick up extra yardage from a shaft that is not readily available to the masses. Interestingly, the pro fitter put S300s in the Cobra Amp Pros that he fitted him for as there was nothing better on the market that fitted his swing.

[Exactice808]

I finally witnessed first hand what I figured was often case. I played with some guys using Rogue 125 70 tx shafts in their drivers who couldn't fly it more than 260 max.

 

Just out of curiosity...what does the WRX think makes people want to play equipment that pros play when they clearly could benefit from playing equipment better suited for their swing? Even when it is some serious pocket breaking priced equipment?!

 

 

So my question would be.....

 

What if the player got well fitted, Because of their type of swing, release and inconsistencies, the Rogue 125 TX fit them the best and allowed them to pay the best golf they could.

 

 

While naturally we like to "judge" a person by what they have in their bag...... and 99% of the time it is ego....

 

You would be surprised to find anomalies that while dont have tour level swings and swing speeds, fit in tour level equipment the best.......

 

 

Im a great example of that, I play X100s, with a driver swing speed of 105-107, I have a fast tempo and a hard transition, but I still probably should not play X100's But in the last year and a half that I have played with this set, my Handicap has dropped and I have shot 2 of my lowest rounds of my life 74,76.

 

So just because by statistics and documentation I should not play X setup, but with X setup I shot my best scores?...........