Duval v Chamblee

[EKELLY]

I don't DISLIKE Brandel, because he is a smart guy. When I listen to David, Nick, and Johnny, at least I know they've BEEN THERE......Brandel wasn't a BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD LIKE Miller, Faldo, and Duval.........Forget the stats, birdies and bogeys determine match play results. And it's been quite obvious for over 20 years who wins THAT race.........

[EKELLY]

I don't agree with a whole lot of what Chamblee says (and he is the poster boy for smugness) but I think he's the first person I've heard actually come up with a reasonable answer as to why the US ryder cup teams have done so poorly over the last 20 years. Most everyone else just claims it's been this unexplainable phenomenon. I think he's spot on about Phil and Tiger not showing up. Your studs need to be reliable, and not just in singles. If you go into sunday down 4-5 points it doesnt matter. Seve and Ollie won something like 12 out of 14 of their team matches, and Westwood/Clarke, Sergio/Rory, Rose/Stenson have continued in a similar fashion. The rest of the team has less pressure on them because the top players are playing usually all 5 matches and guarantee you a good chunk of points. That is the difference and Brandel's stats back that up. I think the argument got so heated because Duval became defensive when he realized Brandel had made a really strong argument, albeit in a very smug fashion.

Absolutely right....We've never had stellar teams like Seve/Jose, Monty/Faldo, Lee/Darren, etc.......

[OBbogey5]

Main thing that I took away is that Chamblee assumes the leader of the team is the best golfer on the team.

 

Having been to the '04 Ryder cup, I did not get the impression at all that Tiger was the leader of the team. Paired with Mickelson both sessions on Friday, Capt. Sutton's mistake to do so, but you couldn't have found 2 golfers on the same team further apart on the course and still playing the same hole. Neither one of these clowns would talk to each other at all, often getting more than 50yds apart and just watching the other hit shots.

 

Hell, Chris DiMarco seemed more into the matches than either Phil or Tiger and he had to be one of the lower ranking guys that season. He walked right up to Jay Haas on the range before their afternoon match and you could just see the 2 of them getting ready to go out together and try to stop the Tidal Wave that was already ensuing. Right away on the 1st tee the two of them interacted more than Phil and Tiger did the entire match.

 

That's just sad! Tiger and Phil were 1 and 2 in the world and that's how they behave?! I'm sure that's great for team moral and chemistry....Aye.

 

A captain should not have to worry about players' personal preferences to the point that attitude, not actual play, ruin a twosome. That's really ridiculous.

 

And THESE guys were the LEADERS. I understand that the best player(s) is not always anointed "team leader". But with Tiger, he's the best player EVER. Come on, guys! And the US doesn't have a Poulter, okay... Every player on the US teams from 1997 on all have their eye in the enormous money prize, so they all look up to who has the most of it. Do we really think that Phil looked at Chris DeMarco or Jay Haas and thought...I cannot wait to play great for that guy...he's a true leader on this team... Serious?! No! they all look up to richest players because that's what every American does right along with them.

[Mookie91]

Brandel is a fool. You know how you win Ryder Cups, 14 1/2 points. Last time I checked one player couldn't earn all of those. It's pretty simple hit good shots, make putts and win.

[OBbogey5]

I'm watching the replay on these two comment on Phil's answer about poor captainship in 2004. And I expect to Chamblee is filt Duval again. Michelson is proving Chamblee point perfectly. It's comical.

[KDMullins]

I think Duval made valid points...at the end of the day, everybody has to golf their ball. That said, I'm shocked at how many in this thread give little or no credence to Brandel's comments about leadership. This is a team event. I don't think you can overstate the importance of leadership from the Captain and the top ranked players, particularly in the team matches.

[WidespreadPanic]

Every time Chamblee comments on something he figures out a way to somehow relate it to something he has done. Today he brought up playing on a college team that won a tournament when talking about winning the Ryder Cup. Duval had to do his best not to laugh.

[Mookie91]

I think Duval made valid points...at the end of the day, everybody has to golf their ball. That said, I'm shocked at how many in this thread give little or no credence to Brandel's comments about leadership. This is a team event. I don't think you can overstate the importance of leadership from the Captain and the top ranked players, particularly in the team matches.

 

No captain, #1 player or wizard could've kept Mahan from chunking that pitch

[nikegal]

I was playing this morning with a guy who played on tour with BC and DD and we discussed last nights exchange for about 6 holes. Both guys had excellent points and we could argue that both were right. The problem for BC is in his delivery of his message. Not the message. I think that is why everyone is so upset with him. David wasn't saying that everything that Brandel said was flat wrong but that it is not the ONLY thing that determines the outcome. YES the top players need to step up and take a leadership roll. Even if they aren't natural leaders. The younger inexperienced players look up to them. It's a powerful tool in the arsenal of what you need to beat the other side. Brandel just comes across way to arrogant and cocky like his crap doesn't stink. This whole argument last night reminded me of the movie "Moneyball" where Billy Bean was constructing a team based off of analytics and baseball hierarchy was saying it wouldn't win championships. Both sides are right. in the long run the analytics wins because it's math and math doesn't lie. BUT the intangibles are what change the stats and math. like a wrench into an engine. Golf is not baseball and the intangibles effect golf way more than baseball. emotion changes the game of golf more, pairings more than pitching effect outcome in golf more than baseball. Analytics works and Brandel is correct BUT what changes the outcome more is the intangibles of guys NOT expected to be the leaders that win the Ryder Cup. It's the job of the stronger more experienced guys to pump them up and support them. I feel like Duval, each player has just as much responsibility as the next cause a point is a point is a point. period. I learned a long time ago from Mr. Jackie Burke Jr. that when playing team match play you have to play like the match depends on you and you alone. Your partner is there just as window dressing or to keep score. You play the other team like you are playing alone on your own ball to beat them. I think the Euros grasp that more than the Americans. we try to calculate out who works best with each and everyone becomes so delicate to who they are paired with. They all should be able to play together. It shouldn't be that difficult for us to win but somehow we make it out to be like Calculus 4

I liked this post but find it interesting how different mindsets work about the team aspect. And it is probably up to the captain to make certain similar mindsets are paired. In the Feherty interview from a couple weeks back McGinley stated that he became a better Ryder Cup player when he realized the team DID NOT live and die with his point/match. That it freed him up to play his game.

Like everything in this game, leadership style is an individual thing. I was raised under a mind set similar to what Kirk spoke of with Mr. Burke, and I am sure that it had to do with the fact that my teacher, Pete, was similar to Mr. Burke in that he was very opinionated, and he would tell you that opinion, and like Mr. Burke he could do it without offending others(well, most of the time) and he also knew what buttons to push with people, especially his students.

 

That is a critical and valuable tool for a leader. In this game, some lead simply by letting their game speak and rising to the occasion when called upon and Playing their best when the stakes are the highest. Others are more demonstrative, and their presence can fill a room and their words can make others believe in themselves when doubt may have crept in or when the pressure is as thick as a 95% humidity day. There words take the humidity down, allow others to breathe easier and concentrate and focus on their game and match. Some need to carry that weight of a team match being on their shoulders while others Play better if they minimize both their importance and the importance of their match(es).

 

Pete was both Richard's and his Playing partner's, a local pro, Teacher when they qualified for a BB National event back in the early 90's in Las Vegas. He said that while this Pro was a fine Player, and a better Player than Richard(Richard was a +3.2/3.3), Richard had that outer confidence and his Pro Partner fed off of that and Richard knew that by him taking the pressure off of his Partner, this allowed him to Play better because he could Play within himself and not try to be "The Man." It was Richard who put a 192yd 5i to 8' and ran the putt for the birdie and sudden death victory on the 24th hole. Richard has recounted that shot though he never said what his partner was doing prior to him hitting that shot. He was in the trees vomiting, lol. Pete said that is why he paired them together because Richard had this belief and even if he missed that shot or if you beat him 7/6, like Jay Sigel did earlier that summer, he was going to show up for the next shot, the next hole or next week just as confident, as he did when he beat Duke Delcher on the 21st hole two weeks later. This is why I loved him as a BB partner long before I loved him, haha. He made me a better Player. A great partner makes his/her partner a better Player.

 

That kind of confidence is contagious in a team setting, be it a 2-Player team or an Inter-Club team or a President's Cup team or Ryder cup team, but it cannot be forced and you have to be yourself. For those of you who have Played in golf team events, be it a BB team or an Inter-Club team, you know what I am speaking to. Obviously you want to pair guys/girls up with their strengths and weaknesses meshing if at all possible, but I agree with Kirk that I just think that the US team, after so many poor underperforming appearances, are pulling straws trying to come up with this winning ju-ju. It really comes down to fairways and greens and making some putts. I know you all are sick of hearing this, but it really is simple arithmetic and not trigonometry, lol. Have a nice evening Shilgs and Kirk and thank you for your kind thoughts to Richard. They mean a lot to him :) Fondly, Maddie

[Cool Hand Luke]

I think Duval made valid points...at the end of the day, everybody has to golf their ball. That said, I'm shocked at how many in this thread give little or no credence to Brandel's comments about leadership. This is a team event. I don't think you can overstate the importance of leadership from the Captain and the top ranked players, particularly in the team matches.

 

No captain, #1 player or wizard could've kept Mahan from chunking that pitch

A lot of people recall that chunked chip as the moment we lost that Ryder cup, when in reality we lost it long before. Even if hunter gets that up and down g mac had two putts from 20 ft to win the match and the cup. We lost that Ryder cup as we have all of them in the past 20 years, except for 2012; by getting out played the first two days.

Your point is valid though... No one person can win the Ryder cup. You need 3-4 strong consistent leaders that reliably win and carry the team. Then you don't have a hunter mahan in that position.

[redfirebird08]

Well done Duval. About time someone stood up and said what many people in golf are thinking when they hear Chamblee's rants.

[bogeypro]

Personally, Duval was out of line. He took it personally and lost his cool.

 

Chamblee used data to back up his point perfectly.

 

Truth be told, our stud horses haven't produced as expected in this event. Out top 3 should play like it. Yes, there will be a few outliers where someone gets hot and wins, but over the course of a larger sample the better players should win more. It's like any team sport... take football. If the qb decides to show up with an I don't give a flip attitude, then chances are that he will drag the whole offense down. Whether the studs want it or not, they are held up as the leaders.

[bladehunter]

I was playing this morning with a guy who played on tour with BC and DD and we discussed last nights exchange for about 6 holes. Both guys had excellent points and we could argue that both were right. The problem for BC is in his delivery of his message. Not the message. I think that is why everyone is so upset with him. David wasn't saying that everything that Brandel said was flat wrong but that it is not the ONLY thing that determines the outcome. YES the top players need to step up and take a leadership roll. Even if they aren't natural leaders. The younger inexperienced players look up to them. It's a powerful tool in the arsenal of what you need to beat the other side. Brandel just comes across way to arrogant and cocky like his crap doesn't stink. This whole argument last night reminded me of the movie "Moneyball" where Billy Bean was constructing a team based off of analytics and baseball hierarchy was saying it wouldn't win championships. Both sides are right. in the long run the analytics wins because it's math and math doesn't lie. BUT the intangibles are what change the stats and math. like a wrench into an engine. Golf is not baseball and the intangibles effect golf way more than baseball. emotion changes the game of golf more, pairings more than pitching effect outcome in golf more than baseball. Analytics works and Brandel is correct BUT what changes the outcome more is the intangibles of guys NOT expected to be the leaders that win the Ryder Cup. It's the job of the stronger more experienced guys to pump them up and support them. I feel like Duval, each player has just as much responsibility as the next cause a point is a point is a point. period. I learned a long time ago from Mr. Jackie Burke Jr. that when playing team match play you have to play like the match depends on you and you alone. Your partner is there just as window dressing or to keep score. You play the other team like you are playing alone on your own ball to beat them. I think the Euros grasp that more than the Americans. we try to calculate out who works best with each and everyone becomes so delicate to who they are paired with. They all should be able to play together. It shouldn't be that difficult for us to win but somehow we make it out to be like Calculus 4

I liked this post but find it interesting how different mindsets work about the team aspect. And it is probably up to the captain to make certain similar mindsets are paired. In the Feherty interview from a couple weeks back McGinley stated that he became a better Ryder Cup player when he realized the team DID NOT live and die with his point/match. That it freed him up to play his game.

Like everything in this game, leadership style is an individual thing. I was raised under a mind set similar to what Kirk spoke of with Mr. Burke, and I am sure that it had to do with the fact that my teacher, Pete, was similar to Mr. Burke in that he was very opinionated, and he would tell you that opinion, and like Mr. Burke he could do it without offending others(well, most of the time) and he also knew what buttons to push with people, especially his students.

 

That is a critical and valuable tool for a leader. In this game, some lead simply by letting their game speak and rising to the occasion when called upon and Playing their best when the stakes are the highest. Others are more demonstrative, and their presence can fill a room and their words can make others believe in themselves when doubt may have crept in or when the pressure is as thick as a 95% humidity day. There words take the humidity down, allow others to breathe easier and concentrate and focus on their game and match. Some need to carry that weight of a team match being on their shoulders while others Play better if they minimize both their importance and the importance of their match(es).

 

Pete was both Richard's and his Playing partner's, a local pro, Teacher when they qualified for a BB National event back in the early 90's in Las Vegas. He said that while this Pro was a fine Player, and a better Player than Richard(Richard was a +3.2/3.3), Richard had that outer confidence and his Pro Partner fed off of that and Richard knew that by him taking the pressure off of his Partner, this allowed him to Play better because he could Play within himself and not try to be "The Man." It was Richard who put a 192yd 5i to 8' and ran the putt for the birdie and sudden death victory on the 24th hole. Richard has recounted that shot though he never said what his partner was doing prior to him hitting that shot. He was in the trees vomiting, lol. Pete said that is why he paired them together because Richard had this belief and even if he missed that shot or if you beat him 7/6, like Jay Sigel did earlier that summer, he was going to show up for the next shot, the next hole or next week just as confident, as he did when he beat Duke Delcher on the 21st hole two weeks later. This is why I loved him as a BB partner long before I loved him, haha. He made me a better Player. A great partner makes his/her partner a better Player.

 

That kind of confidence is contagious in a team setting, be it a 2-Player team or an Inter-Club team or a President's Cup team or Ryder cup team, but it cannot be forced and you have to be yourself. For those of you who have Played in golf team events, be it a BB team or an Inter-Club team, you know what I am speaking to. Obviously you want to pair guys/girls up with their strengths and weaknesses meshing if at all possible, but I agree with Kirk that I just think that the US team, after so many poor underperforming appearances, are pulling straws trying to come up with this winning ju-ju. It really comes down to fairways and greens and making some putts. I know you all are sick of hearing this, but it really is simple arithmetic and not trigonometry, lol. Have a nice evening Shilgs and Kirk and thank you for your kind thoughts to Richard. They mean a lot to him :) Fondly, Maddie

 

 

 

great points Maddie.... reminds me of one of the many qoutes i value so much of my late Grandpa......he said often " You may whip my a** today , but by god you will have to do it again tommorow if i wake up in the morning " As a small kid i heard this in the literal sense as well as for many situations that required a " never quit" lesson.... i didnt really get it then..But as i grew older ( ive never grown up..lol) i knew exactly what it meant and realised he had taught that attitude to me without me realizing it.... Thank You for making me think of him ! brought a smile to my face !

[KDMullins]

I think Duval made valid points...at the end of the day, everybody has to golf their ball. That said, I'm shocked at how many in this thread give little or no credence to Brandel's comments about leadership. This is a team event. I don't think you can overstate the importance of leadership from the Captain and the top ranked players, particularly in the team matches.

 

No captain, #1 player or wizard could've kept Mahan from chunking that pitch

 

Not sure what that even means. Guys miss shots.

[Forged4ever]

I was playing this morning with a guy who played on tour with BC and DD and we discussed last nights exchange for about 6 holes. Both guys had excellent points and we could argue that both were right. The problem for BC is in his delivery of his message. Not the message. I think that is why everyone is so upset with him. David wasn't saying that everything that Brandel said was flat wrong but that it is not the ONLY thing that determines the outcome. YES the top players need to step up and take a leadership roll. Even if they aren't natural leaders. The younger inexperienced players look up to them. It's a powerful tool in the arsenal of what you need to beat the other side. Brandel just comes across way to arrogant and cocky like his crap doesn't stink. This whole argument last night reminded me of the movie "Moneyball" where Billy Bean was constructing a team based off of analytics and baseball hierarchy was saying it wouldn't win championships. Both sides are right. in the long run the analytics wins because it's math and math doesn't lie. BUT the intangibles are what change the stats and math. like a wrench into an engine. Golf is not baseball and the intangibles effect golf way more than baseball. emotion changes the game of golf more, pairings more than pitching effect outcome in golf more than baseball. Analytics works and Brandel is correct BUT what changes the outcome more is the intangibles of guys NOT expected to be the leaders that win the Ryder Cup. It's the job of the stronger more experienced guys to pump them up and support them. I feel like Duval, each player has just as much responsibility as the next cause a point is a point is a point. period. I learned a long time ago from Mr. Jackie Burke Jr. that when playing team match play you have to play like the match depends on you and you alone. Your partner is there just as window dressing or to keep score. You play the other team like you are playing alone on your own ball to beat them. I think the Euros grasp that more than the Americans. we try to calculate out who works best with each and everyone becomes so delicate to who they are paired with. They all should be able to play together. It shouldn't be that difficult for us to win but somehow we make it out to be like Calculus 4

I liked this post but find it interesting how different mindsets work about the team aspect. And it is probably up to the captain to make certain similar mindsets are paired. In the Feherty interview from a couple weeks back McGinley stated that he became a better Ryder Cup player when he realized the team DID NOT live and die with his point/match. That it freed him up to play his game.

Like everything in this game, leadership style is an individual thing. I was raised under a mind set similar to what Kirk spoke of with Mr. Burke, and I am sure that it had to do with the fact that my teacher, Pete, was similar to Mr. Burke in that he was very opinionated, and he would tell you that opinion, and like Mr. Burke he could do it without offending others(well, most of the time) and he also knew what buttons to push with people, especially his students.

 

That is a critical and valuable tool for a leader. In this game, some lead simply by letting their game speak and rising to the occasion when called upon and Playing their best when the stakes are the highest. Others are more demonstrative, and their presence can fill a room and their words can make others believe in themselves when doubt may have crept in or when the pressure is as thick as a 95% humidity day. There words take the humidity down, allow others to breathe easier and concentrate and focus on their game and match. Some need to carry that weight of a team match being on their shoulders while others Play better if they minimize both their importance and the importance of their match(es).

 

Pete was both Richard's and his Playing partner's, a local pro, Teacher when they qualified for a BB National event back in the early 90's in Las Vegas. He said that while this Pro was a fine Player, and a better Player than Richard(Richard was a +3.2/3.3), Richard had that outer confidence and his Pro Partner fed off of that and Richard knew that by him taking the pressure off of his Partner, this allowed him to Play better because he could Play within himself and not try to be "The Man." It was Richard who put a 192yd 5i to 8' and ran the putt for the birdie and sudden death victory on the 24th hole. Richard has recounted that shot though he never said what his partner was doing prior to him hitting that shot. He was in the trees vomiting, lol. Pete said that is why he paired them together because Richard had this belief and even if he missed that shot or if you beat him 7/6, like Jay Sigel did earlier that summer, he was going to show up for the next shot, the next hole or next week just as confident, as he did when he beat Duke Delcher on the 21st hole two weeks later. This is why I loved him as a BB partner long before I loved him, haha. He made me a better Player. A great partner makes his/her partner a better Player.

 

That kind of confidence is contagious in a team setting, be it a 2-Player team or an Inter-Club team or a President's Cup team or Ryder cup team, but it cannot be forced and you have to be yourself. For those of you who have Played in golf team events, be it a BB team or an Inter-Club team, you know what I am speaking to. Obviously you want to pair guys/girls up with their strengths and weaknesses meshing if at all possible, but I agree with Kirk that I just think that the US team, after so many poor underperforming appearances, are pulling straws trying to come up with this winning ju-ju. It really comes down to fairways and greens and making some putts. I know you all are sick of hearing this, but it really is simple arithmetic and not trigonometry, lol. Have a nice evening Shilgs and Kirk and thank you for your kind thoughts to Richard. They mean a lot to him :) Fondly, Maddie

 

 

 

great points Maddie.... reminds me of one of the many qoutes i value so much of my late Grandpa......he said often " You may whip my a** today , but by god you will have to do it again tommorow if i wake up in the morning " As a small kid i heard this in the literal sense as well as for many situations that required a " never quit" lesson.... i didnt really get it then..But as i grew older ( ive never grown up..lol) i knew exactly what it meant and realised he had taught that attitude to me without me realizing it.... Thank You for making me think of him ! brought a smile to my face !

Bro, it was nothing more than I feared Pete more than anyone I ever Played, LMAO. Like I've said before, when he got pissed, and he drop kicked me three times so lets just leave it at I saw his other side, he could send Sam for the hills, lol.

 

I was walking through the shop into his office one day and I heard him and Sam goin at it in his office and I heard him say "say it again. Go on, say it again. I'm never gonna be too old to whup your a**," LMAO

 

I made a right turn behind the golf shirts and a u-turn and out the door I went, lol. Gettin in between those two was like stepping between two rotty's goin at it, lol.

 

Have a nice evening Bro :)

 

Always,

RP

 

 

[zoots]

Duval just keeps getting better and better.

[isaacbm]

I've had the pleasure of getting hammered drunk with Chamblee and I can tell you his real persona is much different then his tv persona! He's playing devil's advocate a lot more then people realize. I guarantee you he's back in the hotel at night having a glass of red wine quietly smirking to himself of another job well done. He gets paid to stir the pot and he's good at it! Sure sometimes he thinks that he knows more than he does or that his stats show more than they do but really, would you rather have another Rich Learner up there?

 

Contrast is good for the telecast. I love that Duval is taking the opposing role now that he's more comfortable. He carries more weight than Nobilo and seems a little faster on the draw as well.

 

We're talking about having to fill 2 live hours in a row with talking heads bobbing up and down, often about the same drivel they driveled about the day before....

 

Now that there's a little more intelligent banter, personally, I'm loving it!!

[isaacbm]

I posted this 2 years ago:

 

"here's one that might surprise a few of you...

 

I sat with Brandell Chamblee one night at Isabella's at Greyhawk after a round. It's a restaurant/bar that's attached to the grounds.

 

He was a blast. Was having wine by himself and I just sat right beside him and started chatting. Was engaging and friendly right from the start. It helped that I had a funny Nobilo story to break the ice as I had just run into him in a Chapters earlier in the week. I'd been working on a beard at the time and I actually asked Franks wife if she liked his beard as much as Frank seemed to. She couldn't stop laughing. Said he was so vain about it and wished he'd lose it because it was too ticklish for her.

So after a few drinks with Chamblee I told him he should make a comment on Nobilo's beard on air. He broke into this crazy New Zealand accent and pretended to be Braveheard saying something along the line's of " you can take our lives but you'll never take our tickly chin!" I realize I was getting pretty drunk at the time and you had to be there but the point is that he was generally pretty cool as just someone to chat with. He was not in the least bit snobby and is totally someone that would be the life of a dinner party.

 

I get that a lot of people don't like his broadcasting style and that's fine but it's pretty hard to argue that he doesn't come across as intelligent and a lot of times a camera can make a person act a little different then they would in real life.

 

At one point he pointed out a woman across the bar that was looking our way. He said "I'd call dibs Dan but I'm pretty sure she's looking at you." I said " I'd call dibs but I'm pretty sure she has an Adams apple!" We had a good laugh over that one!

 

I'd always been a supporter and like him even more now.

[Lefthook]

Obviously, DD has been there and has inside info that BC doesn't have - and I for one, thought BC looked like a fool for a while in the debate. But there's no question that BC made a valid statistical argument towards the end of the discussion. 2 wins in 10 Ryder Cups is underachievement for the US team. You do not need inside the ropes understanding to realize that. If the players are good enough one has to look at other factors. And there aren't many to pick from except leadership and preparation - and preparation is just a subset of leadership. If players, even key players, turn up without being properly prepared, without the right attitude, you have to look at leadership. If all players turn up well prepared, but do not function together as a high performing team, you have to look at leadership. The results for the last 20 years suggest that the Euro team has been better prepared and better led than the US team. It doesn't start with the key players though. It starts way before that. And even if the leaders in PGA of america and the captain does a great job - you have to look at leadership - because that's where you need to start if you want to get the best out of the team...

[caniac6]

Brandel sure got under Duval's skin. He should have challenged him to a match.

[touch]

I posted this 2 years ago:

 

"here's one that might surprise a few of you...

 

I sat with Brandell Chamblee one night at Isabella's at Greyhawk after a round. It's a restaurant/bar that's attached to the grounds.

 

He was a blast. Was having wine by himself and I just sat right beside him and started chatting. Was engaging and friendly right from the start. It helped that I had a funny Nobilo story to break the ice as I had just run into him in a Chapters earlier in the week. I'd been working on a beard at the time and I actually asked Franks wife if she liked his beard as much as Frank seemed to. She couldn't stop laughing. Said he was so vain about it and wished he'd lose it because it was too ticklish for her.

So after a few drinks with Chamblee I told him he should make a comment on Nobilo's beard on air. He broke into this crazy New Zealand accent and pretended to be Braveheard saying something along the line's of " you can take our lives but you'll never take our tickly chin!" I realize I was getting pretty drunk at the time and you had to be there but the point is that he was generally pretty cool as just someone to chat with. He was not in the least bit snobby and is totally someone that would be the life of a dinner party.

 

I get that a lot of people don't like his broadcasting style and that's fine but it's pretty hard to argue that he doesn't come across as intelligent and a lot of times a camera can make a person act a little different then they would in real life.

 

At one point he pointed out a woman across the bar that was looking our way. He said "I'd call dibs Dan but I'm pretty sure she's looking at you." I said " I'd call dibs but I'm pretty sure she has an Adams apple!" We had a good laugh over that one!

 

I'd always been a supporter and like him even more now.

 

Thanks for the personal story. It is great that one of the members on this forum has had an enjoyable personal interaction with Brandel.

What kind of wine? Silver Oak? not important. I have always liked his style and value his preparation. I know around these parts

about 95% of the crowd would stone him down. I think it was Richard in a post previously that stated to the effect he did earn a TOUR card and

that is an accomplishment all of his naysayers could not obtain, so that gives him enough cred to carry on with his debate game on the Golf Channel.

Thanks again for the story of tipping them back with Brandel. When there is a thread about him on here he is called an asshat by a lot of people.

Good to know he is real. I have had the pleasure of meeting DD three times and he was just a polished individual, polite and friendly. I am not just some super big Brandel fan. I like you think the debates are good for the telecast. I too think Brandel's point was quite valid in this argument with DD.

Here is a pic of the man you shared a drinking session with in Scottsdale!

Be it an early photo this morning in this thread that makes all his haters cringe too! lol And all in good fun gents.

 

USA USA USA go Team !

[nikegal]

I've had the pleasure of getting hammered drunk with Chamblee and I can tell you his real persona is much different then his tv persona! He's playing devil's advocate a lot more then people realize. I guarantee you he's back in the hotel at night having a glass of red wine quietly smirking to himself of another job well done. He gets paid to stir the pot and he's good at it! Sure sometimes he thinks that he knows more than he does or that his stats show more than they do but really, would you rather have another Rich Learner up there?

 

Contrast is good for the telecast. I love that Duval is taking the opposing role now that he's more comfortable. He carries more weight than Nobilo and seems a little faster on the draw as well.

 

We're talking about having to fill 2 live hours in a row with talking heads bobbing up and down, often about the same drivel they driveled about the day before....

 

Now that there's a little more intelligent banter, personally, I'm loving it!!

I posted this 2 years ago:

 

"here's one that might surprise a few of you...

 

I sat with Brandell Chamblee one night at Isabella's at Greyhawk after a round. It's a restaurant/bar that's attached to the grounds.

 

He was a blast. Was having wine by himself and I just sat right beside him and started chatting. Was engaging and friendly right from the start. It helped that I had a funny Nobilo story to break the ice as I had just run into him in a Chapters earlier in the week. I'd been working on a beard at the time and I actually asked Franks wife if she liked his beard as much as Frank seemed to. She couldn't stop laughing. Said he was so vain about it and wished he'd lose it because it was too ticklish for her.

So after a few drinks with Chamblee I told him he should make a comment on Nobilo's beard on air. He broke into this crazy New Zealand accent and pretended to be Braveheard saying something along the line's of " you can take our lives but you'll never take our tickly chin!" I realize I was getting pretty drunk at the time and you had to be there but the point is that he was generally pretty cool as just someone to chat with. He was not in the least bit snobby and is totally someone that would be the life of a dinner party.

 

I get that a lot of people don't like his broadcasting style and that's fine but it's pretty hard to argue that he doesn't come across as intelligent and a lot of times a camera can make a person act a little different then they would in real life.

 

At one point he pointed out a woman across the bar that was looking our way. He said "I'd call dibs Dan but I'm pretty sure she's looking at you." I said " I'd call dibs but I'm pretty sure she has an Adams apple!" We had a good laugh over that one!

 

I'd always been a supporter and like him even more now.

Good morning Dan :) I remember when you wrote that original post as it was before I came on the board and it was the first time that I had seen your avatar because Richard pointed this post out as he has always liked Brandel and he said that it was so great to have his opinions reinforced by fact and then he showed me your avatar and said "I love this guy. Look at this avatar and he's a Player and can you believe that he's from Canada," hahahaha. With your latest post he will be insufferable, lol. Speaking of beards, the other day Paige, Saff and I visited him at the hospital and he came down to the cafeteria to meet us after his IVs and he was in line to pay and unbeknownst to him Saff was 2-3 people behind him and some lady in front of him must have turned around and told him that he looked like Sean Connery and he has heard that a few times and when he does, I of course have to hear about it, lol. Well, Saff heard him thanking her for the compliment and he comes over to the table and says, "Well, another Lady says that I look like Sir Sean Ladies. I wonder how many think it but don't say it," lolol. Saff walked up hearing the end of this as Paige just rolled her eyes and added "did you tell them that this woman was old enough to be your grandmother," lolol. Have a great day :) Fondly, Maddie

[Seamus66]

" I understand you're never wrong" :taunt:

[Outlier]

I wish they showed Lerner.. what was he doing while that was going on??

 

He was likely fiddling with his What.Would.Jack.Do bracelet (Whittaker, not Nicklaus).

 

I thought I was the only one who sees Lerner so unabashedly copying Whitaker. Like Kobe did Michael Jordan

[Outlier]

 

It was awesome at the end. BC is such an Word not allowed.

 

Cool exchange. Duval gettin' a little hot.

 

I have never been a big fan of Chamblee, but on this particular subject he makes a very strong point.

 

Well I know I am in a very tiny group (here) that likes Brandel's contributions to the Golf Channel, and I think too he makes a strong point here.

 

I have met DD and am a fan of his, but the fact that he said "Oh I know because you are never wrong" to Brandel shows a little lack of refinement

when directed to a colleague on national TV. He was pissed indeed.

 

The Euro's just have had of late ( and then some ) the determination and camaraderie that our US team can't match. They have true brotherhood amongst their players. Their captains just have coached their teams better too. I just really hope that the recent passing of Mr. Palmer does something special finally to our team. You just can not let the memory of "The King" not propel you to greatness this time dammit. Now pound that do it for Mr. Palmer or die sentiment into the players DLlll !

 

Chamblee sells snake oil!

 

My problem with Brandle's "analysis" is that he throws out some arbitrary facts (no argument there) then sets up a premise (stated as a fact but it isn't) and then throws it all together as if he "proved a point" when in fact there isn't necessarily anything to connect the dots as if because of "A" we got the result "B:

 

For example:

 

1) Brandle states the facts on who has been sent out first and last over the years, and what their ranking was and what their Ryder records are (ie Mickelson and Tiger played below their world rank). Then;

 

2) Brandle arbitrarily sets the premise that the "first match on Friday and the Last match on Saturday are the most important in Ryder Cup".....(SAYS WHO? BASED ON WHAT?)- not a fact but he suckers us into accepting HIS PREMISE; then;

 

3) Chamblee then takes the true facts in #1, mixes them with his opinion disguised as fact #2 and comes out with #3 "because Mickelson and Tiger played below their rank in the most important games, the US lost..."

 

 

My conclusion Chamblee is a "slicky boy", the kind of 50 year old with a Porsche who could talk a 26 yr old fox out of her clothes.......

[Outlier]

Doesn't Tiger have a better singles record than Jack?

Jack Nicklaus (1969-71-73-75-77-81) 6 Ryder Cups 28 Matches Total 17-8-3 Total Points

 

(4-4-2-singles) (8-1-0-foursome) (5-3-1-fourball) (18.5-total points won ) .66-winning percentage

 

 

Tiger Woods (1997-99-2002-04-06-10-12) 7 Ryder Cups 33 Matches Total 13-17-3 Total points

(4-1-2-Singles) ( 4-8-1-foursome) (5-8-0-fourball ) (14.5-total points won) .44-winning percentage

 

 

Tiger dominates singles, as Duval stated, his teammates have sucked

[mikpga]

After the non stop media and social media analysis of USA's performance in the Ryder Cup, I have come to one conclusion...

 

PLAY BETTER THAN YOUR OPPONENT, AND YOU'LL WIN...

 

Stop the nonsense of pointing fingers and placing blame...BE ABOVE...

[augustgolf]

I'm glad to see this discussion is still carrying on. I posted yesterday, but no comments on the actual exchange, which I watched last night, after yesterday's posts.

 

I, got to know Brandel when he was an amateur, and let me say this: he had the confidence as an excellent player, and the down-to-earth ability to speak with anyone about most anything. What he is/was most passionate about is golf, and I congratulate him on having a job, doing what it is that he does. He researches and prepares as good or better than anyone I have watched on TV...and while he may not have the resume DD has when it comes to total wins, majors, etc....it would be foolish to ignore his observations on what we have all witnessed.

 

Do the Americans do well in the 1st match Friday, and the last match Saturday? I will trust his research, and believe that we actually don't. We really don't know how to play foursomes at all; we should know how to play fourball, because most all of the guys on the tour play it when they are off, or during practice rounds.

 

Another argument I heard on TV last night was Phil's throwing Sutton under the bus for failure to properly notify him in advance that he was going to be paired with Tiger, and he needed to get used to a new ball within 48 hours of playing. Now...maybe I'm just stupid, but I would think that the team (and the new "committee" or whatever it calls itself to help us win back the cup -- more on that later)....the players who are likely to be picked to play should have a mandate that if/when they are selected, and if/when they play foursome matches....there should be a "neutral" ball that will come into play. And, what is the #1 ball in golf??? Yes....THAT should be a mandate placed well in advance, so that each and every possible player has had time to try it, test it, play with it, and understand THAT IS THE BALL THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY IN FOURSOME MATCH PLAY!!!!

 

Why should either player have to "fit" their partner's ball into their style of play? Just my observation. Hope the "committee" hears this as a possibility to take one sore spot out of the whole process.

 

Item #2; NOTHING EVER SEEMS TO GET ACCOMPLISHED BY COMMITTEE. TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH. For a long-term solution to the problem of the US losing the matches as often as they seem to be....let's invite every tour player to submit suggestions for possible teams and playing order through the 1st year of qualifying events. After that 1st year is over, lets narrow that focus down to the top 75 on tour, with said suggestions funneled to the team captain, who should have been selected and announced by that time. The "possible" players should find the time themselves to do some trial and error of different types of balls, partners, and actual trial matches to see how this might play out IF THEY ARE SELECTED AND PUT IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO PLAY A FOURSOME MATCH.

 

Just a quick idea....but, I don't follow the belief that any 1 player is ever going to lead the team. Hell, if I believed that, then we should have Patrick Reed be the team leader, because I was very impressed with his being so fired up in the last matches.

 

What is truly sad is the fact that the matches themselves have become way over-commercialized. I believe it takes too much time away from the actual preparations of the players that is diverted into PR events, and adds pressure by placing every word, every action under a microscope...nothing good for a competition that was, by itself, already made more even by the addition of all European players, not just those from the Emerald Isles.

 

Personally....I'm trying to not watch too much of the pre-matches glorification, avoid the social media hype, and just get prepared to watch some good golf.

 

I wish each side the best, and hope that no more controversy comes up to possibly cloud what should be a great event for the game of golf!

 

Just MHO

[Cool Hand Luke]

 

It was awesome at the end. BC is such an Word not allowed.

 

Cool exchange. Duval gettin' a little hot.

 

I have never been a big fan of Chamblee, but on this particular subject he makes a very strong point.

 

Well I know I am in a very tiny group (here) that likes Brandel's contributions to the Golf Channel, and I think too he makes a strong point here.

 

I have met DD and am a fan of his, but the fact that he said "Oh I know because you are never wrong" to Brandel shows a little lack of refinement

when directed to a colleague on national TV. He was pissed indeed.

 

The Euro's just have had of late ( and then some ) the determination and camaraderie that our US team can't match. They have true brotherhood amongst their players. Their captains just have coached their teams better too. I just really hope that the recent passing of Mr. Palmer does something special finally to our team. You just can not let the memory of "The King" not propel you to greatness this time dammit. Now pound that do it for Mr. Palmer or die sentiment into the players DLlll !

 

Chamblee sells snake oil!

 

My problem with Brandle's "analysis" is that he throws out some arbitrary facts (no argument there) then sets up a premise (stated as a fact but it isn't) and then throws it all together as if he "proved a point" when in fact there isn't necessarily anything to connect the dots as if because of "A" we got the result "B:

 

For example:

 

1) Brandle states the facts on who has been sent out first and last over the years, and what their ranking was and what their Ryder records are (ie Mickelson and Tiger played below their world rank). Then;

 

2) Brandle arbitrarily sets the premise that the "first match on Friday and the Last match on Saturday are the most important in Ryder Cup".....(SAYS WHO? BASED ON WHAT?)- not a fact but he suckers us into accepting HIS PREMISE; then;

 

3) Chamblee then takes the true facts in #1, mixes them with his opinion disguised as fact #2 and comes out with #3 "because Mickelson and Tiger played below their rank in the most important games, the US lost..."

 

 

My conclusion Chamblee is a "slicky boy", the kind of 50 year old with a Porsche who could talk a 26 yr old fox out of her clothes.......

 

Actually, his premise is not arbitrary. If you go back and look at the stats over the last 7 RCs only one year (2006) did the outcome of the two matches he points out not reflect the winning side. These are crucial matches as the first match on friday, usually includes 1 or 2 of your studs, and sets the tone. And the last match on saturday, again usually the stud(s), can swing momentum going into sunday singles. Kind of like the well-known stat in football where the team that scores in the last 2 min of the first half overwhelmingly ends up winning the game.

 

I'm not a fan of Brandel's TV persona, which as you can see from people who have met him is not his actual personality, but you can't argue that the man does his research and made a sound argument here.

 

2002- Fri first match TW/Azinger (L); Sat last match Hoch/Furyk (H)

2004- Fri first match TW/PM (L); Sat last match TW/DL3 (L)

2006- Fri first match TW/Furyk (W); Sat last match TW/Furyk (W)

2008- PM/AK (H); Boo/JB (W)

2010- PM/DJ (L); PM/Fowler (L)

2012- Furyk/Sneds (L); Duf/ZJ (L)

2014- Bubba/Webb (L); Walker/Fowler (L)

[TheInfidel]

When does someone decide that enough is enough of Chamblee, I like someone to play devils advocate but the guy is an Word not allowed HAT.