M1 vs M2 if Cost Were the Same

[halliedog]

I traded in a few clubs for an M1 with a rogue silver 70. Looking forward to the non-effect on my game.

 

So what you are saying (and I'm not doubting you) is that by moving around some sliding weights on the sole you are going to see an appreciable difference in ball flight, even though Tom W. says that even being able to change 35 grams of weight around would show slight differences for pros?

 

"In the development and testing I did for this Accu Core driver back in 95, the first prototype was made with a 25 gram weight in the heel side of the head. Testing done with pros as the control group showed only the smallest amount of the beginning of a draw for the pros whose normal shot tendency was a straight ball flight. At 35 grams in the second prototype, the draw or reduction in fade was more evident but still very slight. At 45 grams most of the pros saw a definite increase in their draw or reduction in their fades."

 

What gram weights are you using in the M1? Must swingweight pretty high I would think with 35-45 grams in the sliding weights.

[cane700]

I have a Nike Flex that shows a noticeable difference in ball flight from changing the weight from front to back. A driver from 20 years ago which was 250cc? 300cc?with heavier materials thicker metal. Weight movement across a smaller surface area? I'd rather make decisions based on my personal experience.

[cane700]

I traded in a few clubs for an M1 with a rogue silver 70. Looking forward to the non-effect on my game.

 

Come back and let me know what you think of it.

 

Will do. Looking forward to trying the Rogue in a TM driver.

 

Can we all agree that the stock Fujikura shaft is total garbage?

[Typhoon92]

Well, the Ping G LS Tec is on it's way out and the Taylormade M? is on it's way in the bag. I haven't been hitting the driver like I have wanted to lately after a swing change and wanted to find something I hit more consistently straight.

 

So I borrowed the assistant Pros M2 today with a Kuro Kage Silver X 9.5. I hit it so much better than my Ping. I am not sure if it is because I warmed up with the M2 and adjusted to the shaft and then could not readjust to the Ping, but I hit the M2 way better. I played 18 and I hit it WAY more accurate today off of the tee than I have in a long time.

 

Now I have to figure out what specs I want, and if I want the M1 or M2. I can get both for the same exact price. I believe I am going to go with a 10.5 in the M2 or the 9.5 in the M1. I have seen where the M2 seems to launch a touch lower and I want to hit it higher. I will probably go with the White Tie since I wasn't crazy about the KK.

 

So, if you could choose either for the same exact price, do you go with the M1 for more adjustability, or the M2 for a little more forgiveness?

 

I hit it plenty long, I want a fairway finder. I will most likely order it at 45" or maybe even 44.5" too so the lightweight M2 head concerns me a little.

Well, the Ping G LS Tec is on it's way out and the Taylormade M? is on it's way in the bag. I haven't been hitting the driver like I have wanted to lately after a swing change and wanted to find something I hit more consistently straight.

 

So I borrowed the assistant Pros M2 today with a Kuro Kage Silver X 9.5. I hit it so much better than my Ping. I am not sure if it is because I warmed up with the M2 and adjusted to the shaft and then could not readjust to the Ping, but I hit the M2 way better. I played 18 and I hit it WAY more accurate today off of the tee than I have in a long time.

 

Now I have to figure out what specs I want, and if I want the M1 or M2. I can get both for the same exact price. I believe I am going to go with a 10.5 in the M2 or the 9.5 in the M1. I have seen where the M2 seems to launch a touch lower and I want to hit it higher. I will probably go with the White Tie since I wasn't crazy about the KK.

 

So, if you could choose either for the same exact price, do you go with the M1 for more adjustability, or the M2 for a little more forgiveness?

 

I hit it plenty long, I want a fairway finder. I will most likely order it at 45" or maybe even 44.5" too so the lightweight M2 head concerns me a little.

 

Wow...same here! Had Ping sent me a new driver to replace a cracked one and it was the Ls Tec. Hit it great last year and this year. Very happy with it....

 

Until I walked into a Roger Dunn, grabbed a random M2 driver stiff stock shaft and consistently blew it past my Ping driver that I hit alongside it. 15 yards minimum....Amazing. ball speed much higher.

 

So next Tuesday I'll be at Ace if clubs getting fit for an M series driver. I actually hit the M1 fine as well but like the sound off the M2 better. Once I get fit, I might trade in the G30 lst for whatever M head I don't get from the fitting.

 

Well, the Ping G LS Tec is on it's way out and the Taylormade M? is on it's way in the bag. I haven't been hitting the driver like I have wanted to lately after a swing change and wanted to find something I hit more consistently straight.

 

So I borrowed the assistant Pros M2 today with a Kuro Kage Silver X 9.5. I hit it so much better than my Ping. I am not sure if it is because I warmed up with the M2 and adjusted to the shaft and then could not readjust to the Ping, but I hit the M2 way better. I played 18 and I hit it WAY more accurate today off of the tee than I have in a long time.

 

Now I have to figure out what specs I want, and if I want the M1 or M2. I can get both for the same exact price. I believe I am going to go with a 10.5 in the M2 or the 9.5 in the M1. I have seen where the M2 seems to launch a touch lower and I want to hit it higher. I will probably go with the White Tie since I wasn't crazy about the KK.

 

So, if you could choose either for the same exact price, do you go with the M1 for more adjustability, or the M2 for a little more forgiveness?

 

I hit it plenty long, I want a fairway finder. I will most likely order it at 45" or maybe even 44.5" too so the lightweight M2 head concerns me a little.

Well, the Ping G LS Tec is on it's way out and the Taylormade M? is on it's way in the bag. I haven't been hitting the driver like I have wanted to lately after a swing change and wanted to find something I hit more consistently straight.

 

So I borrowed the assistant Pros M2 today with a Kuro Kage Silver X 9.5. I hit it so much better than my Ping. I am not sure if it is because I warmed up with the M2 and adjusted to the shaft and then could not readjust to the Ping, but I hit the M2 way better. I played 18 and I hit it WAY more accurate today off of the tee than I have in a long time.

 

Now I have to figure out what specs I want, and if I want the M1 or M2. I can get both for the same exact price. I believe I am going to go with a 10.5 in the M2 or the 9.5 in the M1. I have seen where the M2 seems to launch a touch lower and I want to hit it higher. I will probably go with the White Tie since I wasn't crazy about the KK.

 

So, if you could choose either for the same exact price, do you go with the M1 for more adjustability, or the M2 for a little more forgiveness?

 

I hit it plenty long, I want a fairway finder. I will most likely order it at 45" or maybe even 44.5" too so the lightweight M2 head concerns me a little.

 

Wow...same here! Had Ping sent me a new driver to replace a cracked one and it was the Ls Tec. Hit it great last year and this year. Very happy with it....

 

Until I walked into a Roger Dunn, grabbed a random M2 driver stiff stock shaft and consistently blew it past my Ping driver that I hit alongside it. 15 yards minimum....Amazing. ball speed much higher.

 

So next Tuesday I'll be at Ace if clubs getting fit for an M series driver. I actually hit the M1 fine as well but like the sound off the M2 better. Once I get fit, I might trade in the G30 lst for whatever M head I don't get from the fitting.

[golf9596]

I had both and played both. I found the M2 to be a better fit for me. The 430 M1 was a little longer and I liked the heavier head, but the M2 was point and shoot for me. At that price point play what works best for you. That being said, I will get fitted for the (2017) M2 440 head and we will see.

[macklin]

moved from ping G LST to M2. I think i look way cooler with the m2. I am basically a scratch and have never gotten the adjustable weights. i want the same ball flight from a stock swing every time i swing. Adjustable weights just cause confusion and way too much to think about. find a setting you like and throw away the wrench.

[PowderedToastMan]

I'd choose M1, only because there are days I can only hit a cut off the tee and having the weight forward would help to reduce spin more than M2.

[BreakingPar]

I traded in a few clubs for an M1 with a rogue silver 70. Looking forward to the non-effect on my game.

 

So what you are saying (and I'm not doubting you) is that by moving around some sliding weights on the sole you are going to see an appreciable difference in ball flight, even though Tom W. says that even being able to change 35 grams of weight around would show slight differences for pros?

 

"In the development and testing I did for this Accu Core driver back in 95, the first prototype was made with a 25 gram weight in the heel side of the head. Testing done with pros as the control group showed only the smallest amount of the beginning of a draw for the pros whose normal shot tendency was a straight ball flight. At 35 grams in the second prototype, the draw or reduction in fade was more evident but still very slight. At 45 grams most of the pros saw a definite increase in their draw or reduction in their fades."

 

What gram weights are you using in the M1? Must swingweight pretty high I would think with 35-45 grams in the sliding weights.

 

Lol, how did you end up in this thread? Are you trolling? Anyone who has hit adjustable drivers from Cobra, TM, Callaway, Mizuno etc knows that they work

 

In fact, tech has advanced such that even CG and MOI is affected significantly by these weight adjustments.

 

Many articles show these findings. Start at MGS, or better yet, go and hit them for yourself instead of just thinking you understand the workings behind these things from some 20 year old article you read on the internet

 

*smdh*

[halliedog]

I traded in a few clubs for an M1 with a rogue silver 70. Looking forward to the non-effect on my game.

 

So what you are saying (and I'm not doubting you) is that by moving around some sliding weights on the sole you are going to see an appreciable difference in ball flight, even though Tom W. says that even being able to change 35 grams of weight around would show slight differences for pros?

 

"In the development and testing I did for this Accu Core driver back in 95, the first prototype was made with a 25 gram weight in the heel side of the head. Testing done with pros as the control group showed only the smallest amount of the beginning of a draw for the pros whose normal shot tendency was a straight ball flight. At 35 grams in the second prototype, the draw or reduction in fade was more evident but still very slight. At 45 grams most of the pros saw a definite increase in their draw or reduction in their fades."

 

What gram weights are you using in the M1? Must swingweight pretty high I would think with 35-45 grams in the sliding weights.

 

Lol, how did you end up in this thread? Are you trolling? Anyone who has hit adjustable drivers from Cobra, TM, Callaway, Mizuno etc knows that they work

 

In fact, tech has advanced such that even CG and MOI is affected significantly by these weight adjustments.

 

Many articles show these findings. Start at MGS, or better yet, go and hit them for yourself instead of just thinking you understand the workings behind these things from some 20 year old article you read on the internet

 

*smdh*

 

I'm not sure what *smdh* stands for, so count me as a an old geezer!

 

My point was, Tom Wishon is pretty respected around here as a club manufacturer, and if he says 25-35 grams of movable weight aren't gonna do much for your ball flight due to physics, I respect that. Maybe it is a 20 year old article, but does that change the laws of physics? Maybe things change with the development of new club head/face materials and the weights play more of a factor now? Maybe by increasing the club head size from 320 to 460 ccs things change with the amount you are able to alter COG? I'm here to learn and contribute when I can.

 

I have had every adjustable driver TM has put out since the R425, and haven't noticed a significant amount of ball flight adjustment by changing the weights around. They have definitely moved around the COG and MOI, but I still don't think moving 6-15 grams of weight around is significantly changing your ball flight, unless because the newer heads are so light?

[BreakingPar]

I traded in a few clubs for an M1 with a rogue silver 70. Looking forward to the non-effect on my game.

 

So what you are saying (and I'm not doubting you) is that by moving around some sliding weights on the sole you are going to see an appreciable difference in ball flight, even though Tom W. says that even being able to change 35 grams of weight around would show slight differences for pros?

 

"In the development and testing I did for this Accu Core driver back in 95, the first prototype was made with a 25 gram weight in the heel side of the head. Testing done with pros as the control group showed only the smallest amount of the beginning of a draw for the pros whose normal shot tendency was a straight ball flight. At 35 grams in the second prototype, the draw or reduction in fade was more evident but still very slight. At 45 grams most of the pros saw a definite increase in their draw or reduction in their fades."

 

What gram weights are you using in the M1? Must swingweight pretty high I would think with 35-45 grams in the sliding weights.

 

Lol, how did you end up in this thread? Are you trolling? Anyone who has hit adjustable drivers from Cobra, TM, Callaway, Mizuno etc knows that they work

 

In fact, tech has advanced such that even CG and MOI is affected significantly by these weight adjustments.

 

Many articles show these findings. Start at MGS, or better yet, go and hit them for yourself instead of just thinking you understand the workings behind these things from some 20 year old article you read on the internet

 

*smdh*

 

I'm not sure what *smdh* stands for, so count me as a an old geezer!

 

My point was, Tom Wishon is pretty respected around here as a club manufacturer, and if he says 25-35 grams of movable weight aren't gonna do much for your ball flight due to physics, I respect that. Maybe it is a 20 year old article, but does that change the laws of physics? Maybe things change with the development of new club head/face materials and the weights play more of a factor now? Maybe by increasing the club head size from 320 to 460 ccs things change with the amount you are able to alter COG? I'm here to learn and contribute when I can.

 

I have had every adjustable driver TM has put out since the R425, and haven't noticed a significant amount of ball flight adjustment by changing the weights around. They have definitely moved around the COG and MOI, but I still don't think moving 6-15 grams of weight around is significantly changing your ball flight, unless because the newer heads are so light?

 

You're on the right track. The fraction of the weight being moved relative to the total weight is what causes the bias and CG to be affected.

 

So the question you should ask is, what is the total weight of that Accu Core driver from 1995 that is requiring 45g to move the bias noticeably?? Because that's a $h!t ton of weight

[playa]

If you hit your pro's club so well I'd order and set up your new club the exact same way as his. Anything else is opening up a can of worms.

Or better still make him an offer he can't refuse and get the actual club. Most club pros get free or reduced prices when the new stuff comes out, and will give away or sell their current stuff.

[cane700]

Just got my M1 from TMPO. Looks like its at 45in playing length. I usually play at 44.5in but this club looks good at 45in. Much nicer look at address than the R15 was. The Rogue Silver is a familiar shaft and it feels good swinging the M1 with it. I am definitely not a Fujikura guy. Probably won't get an opportunity to hit outside for a while. We're in a deep freeze. Hopefully on a sim though. Looking forward to trying this setup soon.

[Hstead]

The pro said his rep expects a $299 MAP on the 16 M2 in January. Now I have to decide between 4 freaking drivers instead of 2 lol.

[Hstead]

I was able to use a M1 today with a AD DI 6s. Loved it. Loved the shaft. Way better feel than the Kuro Kage I used in the M2.

 

I adjusted the hosel more upright and it flew so much better. I had the M2 set at standard when I used it.

 

I'm really torn. I like both heads. I really liked that shaft. I think an AD DI 6x would be perfect.

 

I'm going to put that AD DI in the M2 next time and pick a head.

[Hstead]

I have been able to hit, test, and play with both the 1 and 2 now with both shafts. The 2 has a more muted sound to me. I think I like the feel of it better too but it is close. The 2 seems to go straighter for me. The bad M2 shots are much better than my bad M1 misses.

 

The last round with the M1 I hit 8 of 13 fairways and all 5 misses were left. Today's round with the M2/AD DI I hit 8 out of 10 where I hit driver and missed one each way but not far from the FW.

 

I think the M1 might be barely longer but the M2 is straighter for me. My swing felt worse today too, I wasn't swinging well.

[SubaruWRX]

If you hit your pro's club so well I'd order and set up your new club the exact same way as his. Anything else is opening up a can of worms.

 

This...!

I'd go one step further. Buy your guys club and let him get a new one. How could he not want new over his used one?