The Rise & Future Fall of Lydia Ko (David Leadbetter podcast)

[ChipDriver]

...possibly. But where?

 

I think it's what we fear as Americans and have anecdotal proof of 'the neighbor's kid" who owns 90 cats and plays Xbox.

 

By the same token - one has to wonder (or at least I do) about Asian families like Korea/Japan/China/India - who seem to routinely kick butt in school, office, business. I mean do you think it's simply a coincidence that Americans aren't winning on the LPGA tour (for example)? Do you think it's ONLY Wie/Ko/Choi's parents that are overbearing? I sure don't. I think it's endemic of the particularly societies and even cultures. But I'm living proof that the effects can be reduced or eliminated by living outside that society...but not entirely. LOL

 

I chalk the work ethic and high value placed on education and excellence to culture. Obviously a good thing!

 

The over-bearing, pushy parent thing can be seen at any hockey rink and soccer, football, or little league field around America. Golf, tennis, gymnastics and figure skating provide additional examples of crazy parents in individual sports. It's not just an Asian phenomena.

 

I think society sees the success stories, and parents so-inclined figure that's the way to raise a champion. Many figure if Lydia started at age 6, It would be even better to start their kid at age 6 or younger. We don't see the collateral damage and I'm curious about that. Would make for a great study...

 

It would be a dismissive study - Americans don't place the same value on families - particularly in reverence to elders.

 

We seek independence and view that as success. We view staying at home as overly protective and weak. Whereas asians do the same things and see it as strength.

 

Americans will dismiss these results and continue to try to find another explanation. ��

 

Explanation for what? You're making some sweeping (and negative) generalizations about American culture. I'm not talking about "involved" parents, hell, I'm one of those by any definition and proud of it!

 

I'm talking about the extremes here...forcing a child from a young age into a singular pursuit and relentlessly requiring him or her to practice for hours on end at the expense of other experiences and activities that may interest the child. All with the expectation that the kid will become a champion, or a virtuoso, or an NFLer, etc.

 

Asians don't have a lock on that... just as they don't have a lock on strong family values.

 

America is a melting pot. Many ethnic cultures that make up the American fabric value family sticking together.

 

I'd like to know about the kids who in the end, do not meet their parent's lofty expectations (Ivy League, D1 scholarship, LPGA Tour, NFL, etc.). How do they fare, psychologically, socioeconomically, etc. into adulthood after being pressured and forced to comply with the regiment for years on end. Not every kid makes it regardless of mom and dad's dream...

 

I'm only explaining my theory having watched this behavior over and over and over again throughout my life dealing with asian parents. You don't have to agree.

 

If your feelings are hurt by my apparent criticism of American kids - then I'm also criticizing myself and my own kid too.

 

I agree with all of your statements and have had discussions ad nauseum with my wife and my friends - and frankly - they are willing to accept the responsibility/burden/unfairness of carrying the parents' dreams upon their shoulders.

 

You and I would think that's nuts....and I do. But by the same token - THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. And as I said before - Americans like you will be dismissive, and will look for some other explanation.

 

While it may not be the perfect answer - I believe it's one of the key fundamentals between Asians vs Americans.

 

Simply put: Wie defends her parents (abusive ...to American standards) behavior. Yet to me - she is nothing special in that regard. It's something that "every" Asian household can relate to....not so much for Americans.

 

I don't mean to be insulting (since I don't agree with that mindset) but trying to explain from my own perspective.

 

Accept it or don't...but it's not intended to denigrate Americans - b/c it would be denigrating myself and my family too.

[pinhigh27]

Couple Side thoughts, Rise and Fall...... Its a tough one to comment on. Talent is everything but the sad part is how the current generation falls into the groove. What I mean is, look at the trend 20+ years ago, there never was "hardcore" trends like we have now. At this moment trends are like underwear, we change every day, Look at the #1 ranking, It changes a couple of times a year, compared to years ago when a player would and could hold the ranking for months/years.

 

 

Anyways, knowing a little about "MW" and the family, there are some consistent matters that make sense.

 

Parents -

1) Over bearing "Asian" Parents (stereotypical) But not limited to Asians, but expected and understood

2) Parents living their dreams through their talented kids, pressure on the child to perform

3) Parents/Children forced to live the current generation expectation. Once you have a taste of the spot light, no one wants to leave... Heard to many "rumors" of how the parents act off the course..... yikes.

 

Child -

1) Stress to perform

2) She is still just a child..... parents are pulling the reign and the confusion of what to do next leads to more stress

3) Ability to sustain, Lets face it, if you have it you have it..... but do you want to continue it...

4) Trends...... Its tough with this much competition now days..... being on top has become harder and harder and harder.

 

 

Lastly, I listened to leadbetters podcast....... typical interview, nothing out of the ordinary, I know he is disappointed to lose a player like KO.

 

But lets face it, its growing pain and with the parents fully involved, One small slip up and any outside influence to the daughter and you are gone...... Likely things changed or expectations changed and this was bound to happen.

 

 

Sad but true. The pressures of the current generation and upbringing is the demise to some talented people....... unfortunately.... it is the reality....

 

thats because the tour is deeper, idk how that reflects on american culture.

 

I don't think leadbetter made one small slip. he changed her swing somewhat drastically and it had negative results for her ballstriking. It's not like he told her one little tip and her parents lost it.

[Exactice808]

Couple Side thoughts, Rise and Fall...... Its a tough one to comment on. Talent is everything but the sad part is how the current generation falls into the groove. What I mean is, look at the trend 20+ years ago, there never was "hardcore" trends like we have now. At this moment trends are like underwear, we change every day, Look at the #1 ranking, It changes a couple of times a year, compared to years ago when a player would and could hold the ranking for months/years.

 

 

Anyways, knowing a little about "MW" and the family, there are some consistent matters that make sense.

 

Parents -

1) Over bearing "Asian" Parents (stereotypical) But not limited to Asians, but expected and understood

2) Parents living their dreams through their talented kids, pressure on the child to perform

3) Parents/Children forced to live the current generation expectation. Once you have a taste of the spot light, no one wants to leave... Heard to many "rumors" of how the parents act off the course..... yikes.

 

Child -

1) Stress to perform

2) She is still just a child..... parents are pulling the reign and the confusion of what to do next leads to more stress

3) Ability to sustain, Lets face it, if you have it you have it..... but do you want to continue it...

4) Trends...... Its tough with this much competition now days..... being on top has become harder and harder and harder.

 

 

Lastly, I listened to leadbetters podcast....... typical interview, nothing out of the ordinary, I know he is disappointed to lose a player like KO.

 

But lets face it, its growing pain and with the parents fully involved, One small slip up and any outside influence to the daughter and you are gone...... Likely things changed or expectations changed and this was bound to happen.

 

 

Sad but true. The pressures of the current generation and upbringing is the demise to some talented people....... unfortunately.... it is the reality....

 

thats because the tour is deeper, idk how that reflects on american culture.

 

I don't think leadbetter made one small slip. he changed her swing somewhat drastically and it had negative results for her ballstriking. It's not like he told her one little tip and her parents lost it.

 

You know what I meant, he could have told her to tie her shoes backwards and the parents could have "lost" it and wanted to change, the A swing, was just one of "those" slips per say....

 

LOL!

 

I dont see it as "american" Culture at all, I see it as world wide culture...... parents are different, children are different, attitudes and expectations are different. Look at the parents at a little league game now. Its so political, its not even funny........ before every kid had a chance to play...now you are lucky if your kid can play even if they dont go to training camps....batting cages, strength coaching etc....

 

No different from golf, you are right the tour is sooo deep talent is rampant..... but again Rise and Fall too me seems harsh, I dont think the child falls. I think the child faces more challenges and the demand to sustain it is much more demanding, I dont think they fall from grace....... thats all.

[skyking]

I don't see this issue with say Danny Lee. South Korean, immigrated to New Zealand. Never saw his parents gravy training at the range before his round. Don't even know his parent's names, never heard him speak of them AND he's not married. What's up?

 

I do like and agree with the post that females are less likely to resist this parental influence.

[dpb5031]

...possibly. But where?

 

I think it's what we fear as Americans and have anecdotal proof of 'the neighbor's kid" who owns 90 cats and plays Xbox.

 

By the same token - one has to wonder (or at least I do) about Asian families like Korea/Japan/China/India - who seem to routinely kick butt in school, office, business. I mean do you think it's simply a coincidence that Americans aren't winning on the LPGA tour (for example)? Do you think it's ONLY Wie/Ko/Choi's parents that are overbearing? I sure don't. I think it's endemic of the particularly societies and even cultures. But I'm living proof that the effects can be reduced or eliminated by living outside that society...but not entirely. LOL

 

I chalk the work ethic and high value placed on education and excellence to culture. Obviously a good thing!

 

The over-bearing, pushy parent thing can be seen at any hockey rink and soccer, football, or little league field around America. Golf, tennis, gymnastics and figure skating provide additional examples of crazy parents in individual sports. It's not just an Asian phenomena.

 

I think society sees the success stories, and parents so-inclined figure that's the way to raise a champion. Many figure if Lydia started at age 6, It would be even better to start their kid at age 6 or younger. We don't see the collateral damage and I'm curious about that. Would make for a great study...

 

It would be a dismissive study - Americans don't place the same value on families - particularly in reverence to elders.

 

We seek independence and view that as success. We view staying at home as overly protective and weak. Whereas asians do the same things and see it as strength.

 

Americans will dismiss these results and continue to try to find another explanation. ��

 

Explanation for what? You're making some sweeping (and negative) generalizations about American culture. I'm not talking about "involved" parents, hell, I'm one of those by any definition and proud of it!

 

I'm talking about the extremes here...forcing a child from a young age into a singular pursuit and relentlessly requiring him or her to practice for hours on end at the expense of other experiences and activities that may interest the child. All with the expectation that the kid will become a champion, or a virtuoso, or an NFLer, etc.

 

Asians don't have a lock on that... just as they don't have a lock on strong family values.

 

America is a melting pot. Many ethnic cultures that make up the American fabric value family sticking together.

 

I'd like to know about the kids who in the end, do not meet their parent's lofty expectations (Ivy League, D1 scholarship, LPGA Tour, NFL, etc.). How do they fare, psychologically, socioeconomically, etc. into adulthood after being pressured and forced to comply with the regiment for years on end. Not every kid makes it regardless of mom and dad's dream...

 

I'm only explaining my theory having watched this behavior over and over and over again throughout my life dealing with asian parents. You don't have to agree.

 

If your feelings are hurt by my apparent criticism of American kids - then I'm also criticizing myself and my own kid too.

 

I agree with all of your statements and have had discussions ad nauseum with my wife and my friends - and frankly - they are willing to accept the responsibility/burden/unfairness of carrying the parents' dreams upon their shoulders.

 

You and I would think that's nuts....and I do. But by the same token - THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. And as I said before - Americans like you will be dismissive, and will look for some other explanation.

 

While it may not be the perfect answer - I believe it's one of the key fundamentals between Asians vs Americans.

 

Simply put: Wie defends her parents (abusive ...to American standards) behavior. Yet to me - she is nothing special in that regard. It's something that "every" Asian household can relate to....not so much for Americans.

 

I don't mean to be insulting (since I don't agree with that mindset) but trying to explain from my own perspective.

 

Accept it or don't...but it's not intended to denigrate Americans - b/c it would be denigrating myself and my family too.

 

No hard feelings at all, I think we're just missing each other's point(s)...lol?

 

Agreed, I've acknowledged that there are cultural differences, but your response does not even begin to answer the question I've posed. What happens (psychologically, socially, professionally, etc.) to the kids who fall short? I happen to suspect there are unfavorable side-effects, but we rarely hear about the ones who don't make it, only those who succeed.

 

And it's interesting because the parents clearly want their kids to achieve high levels of success...for the kids AND for the family...regardless of culture or ethnicity.

 

In the end it may be that there's significant risk of doing more harm than good. And there's no study out there there that I know of that has examined this phenomenon.

[Exactice808]

I don't see this issue with say Danny Lee. South Korean, immigrated to New Zealand. Never saw his parents gravy training at the range before his round. Don't even know his parent's names, never heard him speak of them AND he's not married. What's up?

 

I do like and agree with the post that females are less likely to resist this parental influence.

 

I dont know the details of Danny's parents, but I know there are just "different strokes for different folks". I will say though there are the overly aggressive parents. And there are some that truly just want their child to succeed.

 

MW parents again, I have heard from some semi first hand accounts where they have rode that train into the ground....and well again the parents themselves dont have the best reputations. That to me is sad as now the parents have become a representative of the child, rather than the child being a representative of the parents....

 

 

I know parents, that push their kids hard and give them ever opportunity (training wise, special coaches etc, club play, private play etc) But if the child says they are not having fun.... they will let the child make that decision.

 

On the flip side the kid is crying their eyes out frustrated as hell and the parents are still being jerks about it.......... To me...... there is the psychological damage there.... fear of failure.

 

 

No hard feelings at all, I think we're just missing each other's point(s)...lol��

 

Agreed, I've acknowledged that there are cultural differences, but your response does not even begin to answer the question I've posed. What happens (psychologically, socially, professionally, etc.) to the kids who fall short? I happen to suspect there are unfavorable side-effects, but we rarely hear about the ones who don't make it, only those who succeed.

 

And it's interesting because the parents clearly want their kids to achieve high levels of success...for the kids AND for the family...regardless of culture or ethnicity.

 

In the end it may be that there's significant risk of doing more harm than good. And there's no study out there there that I know of that has examined this phenomenon.

 

 

For this questions, We can agree to disagree, that each culture has their "Ticks" I would stereo-typically, state Asians have that stigma.

 

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With that though, you make a great point....... and maybe I can throw out a BS thought.

 

 

1) A child that has the talent, but does not have the means to reach the peak level, that never got the taste of fame and fortune, With failure I would assume the child would crash pretty hard and have to deal with some pretty harsh realities

 

2) A Child that reached the peak, but crashed would still be in for a rough ride, but the benefits that they may have earned during the peak would soften their "failures" per say.

 

 

Unfortunately money is everything now, In my mind, MW and Ko would be fine if they quit golf now, The money they made and are making off the course, would sustain them for a comfortable life style. (Think Anthony Kim, That was a beautiful let down, but, Im sure he is doing jusssssttttt fine)......

 

The opposite is to those talented kids with those over bearing families, that did not have the financial means to "make it" and are living paycheck to paycheck with all the talent you need and the parents disappointment looking at another child basking in the success.

 

 

I think both are horrible to the psyche and would probably affect them both equally, the only difference is the child with money would likely have much different social problems then the one without....

 

just a BS $0.02 =)

[skyking]

Just watched this morning's MD with Lydia on DVR. Just as I suspected they didn't get within a MILE of asking about her parents influence. The did throw a softball question about changing instructors and she hit it out of the park.."learned a lot"..."very appreciative". No questions like asking her to comment on DL's thoughts for her going forward (parents\over booked early in the season). Some day I'll learn the GC is NOT a golf NEWS channel.

[OrangeGravy]

Why is it just the girls\women we here about this level of parental involvement?

 

Because of evolution I suppose. At some point 99% of males will defy the captors and rebel. Much smaller number of females will. Just science. Not very thought to get.

 

Funny, my first thought was a teenage boy was way more likely to tell their parent to F-off at some point than a girl. I think it happens probably at a higher rate in the US then Asia just from a pure ratio standpoint. Football/Basketball/Baseball at the youth level is littered with parents like this. Fortunately in team sports, a parent like this with a kid that lacks sufficient talent gets a hard lesson as soon as cuts start happening. Some do their best to circumvent their child's lack of talent by getting involved at the league level to insure their kid gets time, but that stops working past high school and even then it doesn't fly at competitive schools.

[OffTheDole]

Just watched this morning's MD with Lydia on DVR. Just as I suspected they didn't get within a MILE of asking about her parents influence. The did throw a softball question about changing instructors and she hit it out of the park.."learned a lot"..."very appreciative". No questions like asking her to comment on DL's thoughts for her going forward (parents\over booked early in the season). Some day I'll learn the GC is NOT a golf NEWS channel.

I don't see the lack of hard-hitting questions as Golf Channel abdicating some kind of journalistic responsibility, especially on their Morning Drive program. The news of the new year is players switching equipment and offseason preparations. They're softballs for sure but they're an easy way to get top talent to drop by the studio and perhaps convince their sponsors to buy an ad or two in the process.

 

Until Ko actually drops from the #1 spot, it would be difficult to justify grilling her about the influence of her parents, which to date seems to be pretty positive overall since she's the #1 ranked golfer in the world.

[Christen_The_Sloop]

...possibly. But where?

 

I think it's what we fear as Americans and have anecdotal proof of 'the neighbor's kid" who owns 90 cats and plays Xbox.

 

By the same token - one has to wonder (or at least I do) about Asian families like Korea/Japan/China/India - who seem to routinely kick butt in school, office, business. I mean do you think it's simply a coincidence that Americans aren't winning on the LPGA tour (for example)? Do you think it's ONLY Wie/Ko/Choi's parents that are overbearing? I sure don't. I think it's endemic of the particularly societies and even cultures. But I'm living proof that the effects can be reduced or eliminated by living outside that society...but not entirely. LOL

 

I chalk the work ethic and high value placed on education and excellence to culture. Obviously a good thing!

 

The over-bearing, pushy parent thing can be seen at any hockey rink and soccer, football, or little league field around America. Golf, tennis, gymnastics and figure skating provide additional examples of crazy parents in individual sports. It's not just an Asian phenomena.

 

I think society sees the success stories, and parents so-inclined figure that's the way to raise a champion. Many figure if Lydia started at age 6, It would be even better to start their kid at age 6 or younger. We don't see the collateral damage and I'm curious about that. Would make for a great study...

 

It would be a dismissive study - Americans don't place the same value on families - particularly in reverence to elders.

 

We seek independence and view that as success. We view staying at home as overly protective and weak. Whereas asians do the same things and see it as strength.

 

Americans will dismiss these results and continue to try to find another explanation. ��

 

Explanation for what? You're making some sweeping (and negative) generalizations about American culture. I'm not talking about "involved" parents, hell, I'm one of those by any definition and proud of it!

 

I'm talking about the extremes here...forcing a child from a young age into a singular pursuit and relentlessly requiring him or her to practice for hours on end at the expense of other experiences and activities that may interest the child. All with the expectation that the kid will become a champion, or a virtuoso, or an NFLer, etc.

 

Asians don't have a lock on that... just as they don't have a lock on strong family values.

 

America is a melting pot. Many ethnic cultures that make up the American fabric value family sticking together.

 

I'd like to know about the kids who in the end, do not meet their parent's lofty expectations (Ivy League, D1 scholarship, LPGA Tour, NFL, etc.). How do they fare, psychologically, socioeconomically, etc. into adulthood after being pressured and forced to comply with the regiment for years on end. Not every kid makes it regardless of mom and dad's dream...

 

Kids here in Japan and in Korea as well ( I taught there for 3 years) do club activities (one chose extra-curricular activity) throughout - Junior high school, they can choose a different one in high school and again in university. They do one. That's it. In the world we live in specialization pays. You can't really argue wit the system from that standpoint. Sure they may not get a change to do something else, but it teaches a good lesson. You are responsible for your choice. You have to live with it. I think as a result people are a lot more mindful of their choices. They can see the impact of having made a bad choice and thus they are far more careful in making choices later in life. As a result, you don't see too many people that succumb to life. (Albeit suicide rates are very high in these societies, but that could come down to religion or other cultural factors).

 

In Asia academics are also valued a little more than what I experienced in Canada. The most diligent students in my school growing up might be somewhere near the middle/bottom of a school here. School is everything for kids, for better or worse. And they don't know any other way, for the most part. So they are just as happy, or perhaps even more happy than the average kid in North America. And there aren't the kind of distractions that children in North America face - driving cars, the opposite sex, drinking, drugs etc. My school had all of those things, to many students detriment. You don't see that here.

 

Cultural differences are huge between Asia and America. You really have to see it to understand. Now I've got a daughter and I do think about which culture goes about raising citizens the best way. If a student over here doesn't get along with the group they can be ostracized, they can fall behind and perhaps never find there way. You really only get one chance at things. If I were to have grown up over here and did the things I did in my culture - I'd be sleeping on the street. Instead, I was able to work some crap jobs after high school before realizing I needed a degree to get to where I wanted to go. I could only see the bad choices I'd made after I was living with the result. I didn't really have to learn that at all in my school life and certainly not at home. In short, I could redeem myself. That's one of the interesting aspects of our culture.

 

Anyway, I am going to test out some Hogan Redlines. It's a beautiful Saturday afternoon and my two ladies are asleep!

 

Cheers

[DavePelz4]

Doesn't Lydia need to be lower than the top ranked player to have fallen?

[EKELLY]

WHY is this such a big deal. ALL the TOP players made an equipment change early in their career, especially the men. It's not that big a deal to change everything for players at that level......To throw in the towel for her this soon is a little premature, I think!!.....

[tannyhoban]

...possibly. But where?

 

I think it's what we fear as Americans and have anecdotal proof of 'the neighbor's kid" who owns 90 cats and plays Xbox.

 

By the same token - one has to wonder (or at least I do) about Asian families like Korea/Japan/China/India - who seem to routinely kick butt in school, office, business. I mean do you think it's simply a coincidence that Americans aren't winning on the LPGA tour (for example)? Do you think it's ONLY Wie/Ko/Choi's parents that are overbearing? I sure don't. I think it's endemic of the particularly societies and even cultures. But I'm living proof that the effects can be reduced or eliminated by living outside that society...but not entirely. LOL

 

I chalk the work ethic and high value placed on education and excellence to culture. Obviously a good thing!

 

The over-bearing, pushy parent thing can be seen at any hockey rink and soccer, football, or little league field around America. Golf, tennis, gymnastics and figure skating provide additional examples of crazy parents in individual sports. It's not just an Asian phenomena.

 

I think society sees the success stories, and parents so-inclined figure that's the way to raise a champion. Many figure if Lydia started at age 6, It would be even better to start their kid at age 6 or younger. We don't see the collateral damage and I'm curious about that. Would make for a great study...

 

It would be a dismissive study - Americans don't place the same value on families - particularly in reverence to elders.

 

We seek independence and view that as success. We view staying at home as overly protective and weak. Whereas asians do the same things and see it as strength.

 

Americans will dismiss these results and continue to try to find another explanation. ��

 

Explanation for what? You're making some sweeping (and negative) generalizations about American culture. I'm not talking about "involved" parents, hell, I'm one of those by any definition and proud of it!

 

I'm talking about the extremes here...forcing a child from a young age into a singular pursuit and relentlessly requiring him or her to practice for hours on end at the expense of other experiences and activities that may interest the child. All with the expectation that the kid will become a champion, or a virtuoso, or an NFLer, etc.

 

Asians don't have a lock on that... just as they don't have a lock on strong family values.

 

America is a melting pot. Many ethnic cultures that make up the American fabric value family sticking together.

 

I'd like to know about the kids who in the end, do not meet their parent's lofty expectations (Ivy League, D1 scholarship, LPGA Tour, NFL, etc.). How do they fare, psychologically, socioeconomically, etc. into adulthood after being pressured and forced to comply with the regiment for years on end. Not every kid makes it regardless of mom and dad's dream...

 

Kids here in Japan and in Korea as well ( I taught there for 3 years) do club activities (one chose extra-curricular activity) throughout - Junior high school, they can choose a different one in high school and again in university. They do one. That's it. In the world we live in specialization pays. You can't really argue wit the system from that standpoint. Sure they may not get a change to do something else, but it teaches a good lesson. You are responsible for your choice. You have to live with it. I think as a result people are a lot more mindful of their choices. They can see the impact of having made a bad choice and thus they are far more careful in making choices later in life. As a result, you don't see too many people that succumb to life. (Albeit suicide rates are very high in these societies, but that could come down to religion or other cultural factors).

 

In Asia academics are also valued a little more than what I experienced in Canada. The most diligent students in my school growing up might be somewhere near the middle/bottom of a school here. School is everything for kids, for better or worse. And they don't know any other way, for the most part. So they are just as happy, or perhaps even more happy than the average kid in North America. And there aren't the kind of distractions that children in North America face - driving cars, the opposite sex, drinking, drugs etc. My school had all of those things, to many students detriment. You don't see that here.

 

Cultural differences are huge between Asia and America. You really have to see it to understand. Now I've got a daughter and I do think about which culture goes about raising citizens the best way. If a student over here doesn't get along with the group they can be ostracized, they can fall behind and perhaps never find there way. You really only get one chance at things. If I were to have grown up over here and did the things I did in my culture - I'd be sleeping on the street. Instead, I was able to work some crap jobs after high school before realizing I needed a degree to get to where I wanted to go. I could only see the bad choices I'd made after I was living with the result. I didn't really have to learn that at all in my school life and certainly not at home. In short, I could redeem myself. That's one of the interesting aspects of our culture.

 

Anyway, I am going to test out some Hogan Redlines. It's a beautiful Saturday afternoon and my two ladies are asleep!

 

Cheers

 

So how does one define and quantify happy? Whole lot of generalizations and assumptions in that post.

[rangersgoalie]

Generalizations and assumptions...in a thread that includes David Leadbetter?!?!

 

I'm astounded!!

[OffTheDole]

Her new backswing looks a lot more natural. Nice pop off the driver too.

 

https://twitter.com/...194315237658628

[JellyPig]

Why is it just the girls\women we here about this level of parental involvement?

 

Todd Marinovich might want to chime in on this...

 

Todd Marinovich. There is a name I haven't heard in a long time.

 

If I made it to the PGA or Web.com Tour , I would be treating these "swing coaches" like Rex Kramer treats airport solicitors.

[playa]

Hank gets a bad wrap around here and I don't get it. I joke about Lead, and truly don't agree with a lot of his beliefs, but they certainly aren't clowns. Hank is awesome though and doesn't get enough respect. He knows what he's doing.

 

The reason I have zero respect for Hank Haney is simple: He tried to cash in by writing a tell-all book about a former client. Add in the fact that Haney's former client's was still actively competing and it's even worse IMO.

 

That's classless and a pathetic money grab.

 

I'll repeat myself and say Haney could have learned from the way Butch Harmon took it when Tiger moved on instead of joining the ranks of guys who couldn't just be thankful that they could claim a small part of a star player's success.

 

Yep that book was a shameless b!tch move from Haney. A parting snipe, and one last payday from his golden goose.

[coconut]

Generalizations and assumptions...in a thread that includes David Leadbetter?!?!

 

I'm astounded!!

:cheesy:

[coconut]

anyone know if she's settled in on a new coach?

[DavePelz4]

Did not know she signed with Ecco...

[Jasonic]

Hope she comes out firing. Joy to watch swing the club. Tempo tempo tempo

[OffTheDole]

anyone know if she's settled in on a new coach?

 

Word from Gary Gilchrist is she's worked with him a little bit but hasn't made anything official.

[EKELLY]

I don't care how Leadbetter spins it, Ko leaving him increases her likelihood of playing great golf into the future.

LOLOL.....Saw her last week at Mission Inn, working with GG..........You can't project success or failure on a coaching change......With her and Wie, at their level, it's mostly mental......Leadbetter has never hit a shot on either the PGA or LPGA Tour.....