Unplayable lie in waste bunker

[Augster]

Hey, on course right now.

 

Player hits it into a waste bunker and wants to take an unplayable lie. Can he take it straight back out of the bunker? I know he can't for a "regular bunker" but how about a waste bunker where you are allowed to remove loose impediments and ground your club.

 

Thanks.

 

Also, if the player does take an unplayable relief outside the waste bunker, in match play, loss of hole if not allowed?

 

Thanks.

[b.helts]

Can absolutely take an unplayable out of a waste area. It is Through the Green.

[Newby]

Hey, on course right now.

 

Player hits it into a waste bunker and wants to take an unplayable lie. Can he take it straight back out of the bunker? I know he can't for a "regular bunker" but how about a waste bunker where you are allowed to remove loose impediments and ground your club.

 

Thanks.

 

Also, if the player does take an unplayable relief outside the waste bunker, in match play, loss of hole if not allowed?

 

Thanks.

 

As far as the Rules are concerned, 'waste bunkers' are not defined. They are simply 'through the green'. In effect the same as the rough.

[Augster]

Thanks very much gents!

 

Better to call them waste areas instead of waste "bunkers" as the only thing they have in common is sand.

[mdgboxx]

You do not get free relief from a waste bunker, but you are permitted, at your discretion, to declare your ball unplayable. Loss of hole, in match play is not applicable in this situation.

[mdgboxx]

Thanks very much gents!

 

Better to call them waste areas instead of waste "bunkers" as the only thing they have in common is sand.

 

If they are not, waste bunkers (for precise identification) should be pointed out on the score card and/or in any clearly visible area, before you tee off on 1st. A waste area could mean anywhere involving a more challenging lie.

[rogolf]

Thanks very much gents!

 

Better to call them waste areas instead of waste "bunkers" as the only thing they have in common is sand.

 

If they are not, waste bunkers (for precise identification) should be pointed out on the score card and/or in any clearly visible area, before you tee off on 1st. A waste area could mean anywhere involving a more challenging lie.

 

If they are not bunkers (defined term) or water hazards, then they are already defined as through the green - no further definition required, imo. Just causes more confusion.

[mdgboxx]

Thanks very much gents!

 

Better to call them waste areas instead of waste "bunkers" as the only thing they have in common is sand.

 

If they are not, waste bunkers (for precise identification) should be pointed out on the score card and/or in any clearly visible area, before you tee off on 1st. A waste area could mean anywhere involving a more challenging lie.

 

If they are not bunkers (defined term) or water hazards, then they are already defined as through the green - no further definition required, imo. Just causes more confusion.

 

Allow me to edit my reply: If they are not **identified as such, (as in--where they are located--)**, waste bunkers should be pointed out on the score card and/or in any clearly visible area before you tee off on 1st.

 

I was questioning the term "waste area" as suggested, NOT the term "waste bunker"

 

My intent was not to cause confusion........But I did. I seem to be very good at that. :tomato: :cheesy:

[rogolf]

Thanks very much gents!

 

Better to call them waste areas instead of waste "bunkers" as the only thing they have in common is sand.

 

If they are not, waste bunkers (for precise identification) should be pointed out on the score card and/or in any clearly visible area, before you tee off on 1st. A waste area could mean anywhere involving a more challenging lie.

 

If they are not bunkers (defined term) or water hazards, then they are already defined as through the green - no further definition required, imo. Just causes more confusion.

 

Allow me to edit my reply: If they are not **identified as such, (as in--where they are located--)**, waste bunkers should be pointed out on the score card and/or in any clearly visible area before you tee off on 1st.

 

I was questioning the term "waste area" as suggested, NOT the term "waste bunker"

 

My intent was not to cause confusion........But I did. I seem to be very good at that. :tomato: :cheesy:

 

Just to be clear - the Rules of golf define bunkers. There is no such thing in the Rules as "waste bunkers", nor should there be, imo.

[mdgboxx]

IIRC, Augster is no slouch with the RoG. Perhaps you should redirect your RoG recitals toward him instead of me.

 

FYI, the term "waste bunker" is used all over the world, to prevent any confusion, (obviously, so dear to you) when discussing a sandy area...Whether it pleases your highness and your RoG, or NOT!

 

When Dustin Johnson was DQ'd for signing an incorrect card, the Golf Channel announcers were quick to point out that he mistakenly grounded his club in, what he thought was a WASTE BUNKER, even though it was clearly indicated all over the clubhouse, including the locker room, that "all sandy areas were declared BUNKERS"

 

Let me also point out that I put a comma (,) at the beginning of the phrase: "If they are not, waste bunkers...."

 

That should have told you something.

 

The fact that I tried to correct it, by saying that I was challenging his use of the term Waste Area as opposed to Waste Bunker, doesn't seem to have gotten through to you...Did it?

 

I am still on topic of "declaring an unplayable in a waste bunker", are you?

 

Is this one of those instances where we say: "We'll have to agree to disagree"??

[rogolf]

Just to be clear - the Rules of golf define bunkers. There is no such thing in the Rules as "waste bunkers", nor should there be, imo.

[Sawgrass]

Just to be clear - the Rules of golf define bunkers. There is no such thing in the Rules as "waste bunkers", nor should there be, imo.

 

Agreed that the ROG don't define waste bunkers. But as to whether they should . . . it couldn't hurt and it might help.

 

Sometimes it's hard to differentiate between a sandy area and a sandy area that's a bunker. Having another word at our disposal might make it easier to make things clearer on a scorecard such as in this sentence:

 

Note that there is a waste area on the left side of hole #3 -- this area is not a bunker.

[mdgboxx]

Just to be clear - the Rules of golf define bunkers. There is no such thing in the Rules as "waste bunkers", nor should there be, imo.

 

Just to be clear. There is no such thing in the Rules as "copy/paste", nor should there be, imo. :taunt: :rofl: :rofl:

[mdgboxx]

This, is a waste area. As opposed to a better defined "waste bunker".

 

 

 

[rogolf]

Nice picture. What makes it a "waste" anything, particularly if it were on a golf course?

[DavePelz4]

This is a waste area...

 

[mdgboxx]

This is a waste area...

 

 

Agree!!

 

As opposed to a Waste Bunker, that can/is found, particularly/specifically, on a Golf Course.

[rogolf]

Perhaps you can share with us which of the Rules of golf, iyo, specifically apply to a "waste bunker" on a golf course?

[mdgboxx]

Nice picture. What makes it a "waste" anything, particularly if it were on a golf course?

 

The fact that you insist on eternalizing this discussion about Waste Bunkers, Not Waste, or Bunkers, makes it a waste of time...yours!

 

I am in my basement, in the middle of winter, as the sole home care giver to my very sick wife, I call Her Precious, over the last five years, you're a welcome balm on my solitude. Thank you! :hi:

 

I can keep this up 'till April.

 

As per our RoG, our courses begin to open in mid-April, and I might be able to work something out with Social Services, and get back out there......Some!

[mdgboxx]

Perhaps you can share with us which of the Rules of golf, iyo, specifically apply to a "waste bunker" on a golf course?

 

I, just now, added it to Urban Dictionary. Waiting for approval/confirmation.

 

Don't fall off of your pedestal, when the Ruling Bodies gloriously get back in contact with reality, and actually add Waste Bunkers to it's lexical definition.

 

EDIT: Urban dictionary wouldn't add it. Because of terms like Through the Green and such, they felt that it was too complicated for all of their readers to understand. Oh well.....!

[rogolf]

Perhaps you can share with us which of the Rules of golf, iyo, specifically apply to a "waste bunker" on a golf course?

 

I, just now, added it to Urban Dictionary. Waiting for approval/confirmation.

 

Don't fall off of your pedestal, when the Ruling Bodies gloriously get back in contact with reality, and actually add Waste Bunkers to it's lexical definition.

 

Thaat's niice!

[mdgboxx]

Perhaps you can share with us which of the Rules of golf, iyo, specifically apply to a "waste bunker" on a golf course?

 

I, just now, added it to Urban Dictionary. Waiting for approval/confirmation.

 

Don't fall off of your pedestal, when the Ruling Bodies gloriously get back in contact with reality, and actually add Waste Bunkers to it's lexical definition.

 

Thaat's niice!

 

Reading this and hearing Archie Bunker

 

Perfect!!!!! :cheesy:

[rogolf]

Apologies to everyone for taking this up in the manner I did; I'll suggest cabin fever as one cause.

However, "waste bunker" is still a misnomer and, in the Rules, just through the green, like "rough".

[Newby]

I have never seen 'waste bunkers' described as such outside the US.

Links courses over here have plenty of sand. It is either in a bunker or not in a bunker. Bunkers are identifiable as they conform to the RoG definition. If a sandy area does not satisfy the definition, it is not a bunker. If it happens to be a beach, it may be part of a water hazard but otherwise is Through the Green.

[Colin L]

Apologies to everyone for taking this up in the manner I did; I'll suggest cabin fever as one cause.

However, "waste bunker" is still a misnomer and, in the Rules, just through the green, like "rough".

 

You don't need to apologise to everyone. Indeed, I should apologise for not chipping in sooner to say the same thing!

 

@ mgdboxx

 

There is nothing in the rules defined as a waste bunker and to use the word bunker in that phrase is just confusing. Indeed that confusion is the cause of Augster's question as to whether a player can drop outside an area he calls a waste bunker when taking relief under 28a or 28b. If the area is not a prepared area of ground, often a hollow, from which turf or soil has been removed and replaced with sand or the like it is not a bunker and so he can drop outside it, ground his club and remove loose impediments. Sand dunes, beaches , patches of bare earth large and small, bits of deserts etc are to found on golf courses and have no defined status in themselves. They tend to be natural features whereas bunkers are made. If such areas were not referred to as waste bunkers, no-one should ever even raise Augster's question.

 

I've been playing link courses all my life where there is an abundance of sandy patches, big sand dunes, beaches etc and have never had any difficulty knowing a bunker when I've seen one. It's basically that difference between the natural and the artificial. You have a bunker or you don't. There just isn't any such animal as a waste bunker no matter how many people spread confusion by using the term.

[Newby]

Apart from the fact that 'bunker' does not meet the RoG definition, the use of the noun 'waste' in this context hardly meets the dictionary definition of 'waste'.

[DavePelz4]

Apart from the fact that 'bunker' does not meet the RoG definition, the use of the noun 'waste' in this context hardly meets the dictionary definition of 'waste'.

 

When used in the phrase "waste bunker " isn't waste an adjective as it's describing the bunker?

[Stuart_G]

It doesn't appear to be on their site any more, but back in 2009, the USGA put out an article on the "Top 10 Misused Terms in Golf". I believe "Waste Bunker" was #7.

[Halebopp]

It doesn't appear to be on their site any more, but back in 2009, the USGA put out an article on the "Top 10 Misused Terms in Golf". I believe "Waste Bunker" was #7.

 

Here you go: http://www.barryrhodes.com/2011/09/ten-misused-terms-in-golf.html

[Newby]

Apart from the fact that 'bunker' does not meet the RoG definition, the use of the noun 'waste' in this context hardly meets the dictionary definition of 'waste'.

 

When used in the phrase "waste bunker " isn't waste an adjective as it's describing the bunker?

 

It certainly could be but that is even less appropriate.

"eliminated or discarded as no longer useful or required "