bebrassie - Performance Tracking Software/App without tagging

[tourbrassie]

I would like to introduce our new software/app called »bebrassie«. Just have a look on our product trailer to find out more about bebrassie.

 

 

We offer a 30-day trial. Just choose the monthly subscription, the payment will start in the second month. If you don't like the app, just cancel your subscription with a one-click on your phone.

 

Looking forward to your feedback from testing bebrassie.

[Fiveten03]

By first impression this looks interesting. Tried to learn more at your website, but there isn't much detail as to the technology behind the shot recognition or the process of identifying clubs. Would appreciate more screen shots of the apple watch integration. Does it use the watch's native gps or require a phone in your pocket as well? Does the watch view provide hazard carry information? Again, presentation is polished, product is likely well designed. But i'm reluctant to sign up even with a free trial without more details. The shot tracking market is rapidly becoming a competitive space, any details as to how you're different and examples would be appreciated. Best of luck!!

[Chaztrip]

I would also like more info on how the shot is detected??? How can you have the tech for that? You mentioned gyroscope and sound? Does the app have access to my microphone on my phone? I don't see how it's possible for the app to know i hit a 7 iron or 8 iron.

 

Thanks.

[tourbrassie]

I would also like more info on how the shot is detected??? How can you have the tech for that? You mentioned gyroscope and sound? Does the app have access to my microphone on my phone? I don't see how it's possible for the app to know i hit a 7 iron or 8 iron.

 

Thanks.

 

Hi Chaztrip,

the shot detection works with the gyroscope - no sound. You got to have the phone in your pocket. We got a lot of swings in the database and get a very high percentage of detected shot in the long game. Still some players get some short pitches detected. Chips and Putts won't be detected. So you have to do a little edit after the round (with the Android version you can detect the shot manual).

The Editing of a Round is on a graphic interface like the birdiemaker. You have to move shot markers (white points) to the point of the detection. If you move the points on the Birdiemaker the system choose a club automatically. If this is not the used club you can change it manually. You can adjust your expected shot lengths in the Profil so the system knows your personal lengths respectively it knows from which distance you choose which club.

The edit of a whole round took between 10 and 20 minutes. And you're getting faster and faster. The Edit is still a good way to learn something about your game.

 

You also can use the system without having the phone in the pocket, because you can create rounds from memory. Or you can plan a round of golf an a golf course where you are going to play in the next days. You can test this on the website. Just go to app.bebrassie.com and register. Go to EDIT ROUNDS and create a round on your course with your "normal" score. Then you can see what the system is doing in the edit process.

 

Hope I could answer your question.

[tourbrassie]

By first impression this looks interesting. Tried to learn more at your website, but there isn't much detail as to the technology behind the shot recognition or the process of identifying clubs. Would appreciate more screen shots of the apple watch integration. Does it use the watch's native gps or require a phone in your pocket as well? Does the watch view provide hazard carry information? Again, presentation is polished, product is likely well designed. But i'm reluctant to sign up even with a free trial without more details. The shot tracking market is rapidly becoming a competitive space, any details as to how you're different and examples would be appreciated. Best of luck!!

 

We use the phones gyroscope for the shot detection and we are using the phones GPS. So for the shot detection you need to have your phone in your pocket. But if you took it in the bag, you still will see your GPS Track in the edit process and mostly all players could reconstruct their round just with the help of the tracking.

 

The identification of the played club is an automatic suggestion of the software because of the defined lengths of your shots. You can do this in the profile. Just like: "How long do you hit your iron 7?" or " from which distance you take your 7 iron?". If the suggestion is wrong, you can change it.

 

The Watch just shows FRONT, CENTER and BACK of the green. With the Birdiemaker on the phone you can measure everything, but the watch is limited.

 

You are totally right, we have to bring more pics and more information to our website. Thank you for that advice.

[Chaztrip]

Ok I signed up this am. Going to play 18 holes and will provide you feedback. It was probably the beautiful gal in the trailer that got me. :-).

Chaz.

[rtraudt]

With the tracking tech, are you saying that, if my only goal is to do shot tracking, that I could keep my phone in my pocket the entire round, it will register where I hit my shots from, and then I can go in and edit later to make sure it got which club I hit? Or can I choose the club hit real time while playing?

[tourbrassie]

With the tracking tech, are you saying that, if my only goal is to do shot tracking, that I could keep my phone in my pocket the entire round, it will register where I hit my shots from, and then I can go in and edit later to make sure it got which club I hit? Or can I choose the club hit real time while playing?

 

While playing you can't put in anything else than Score, Putts and (in the Android Version) detect a shot manually.

The idea was from the beginning that the should be no interruption of the game during the round.

[i*windows]

With the tracking tech, are you saying that, if my only goal is to do shot tracking, that I could keep my phone in my pocket the entire round, it will register where I hit my shots from, and then I can go in and edit later to make sure it got which club I hit? Or can I choose the club hit real time while playing?

 

While playing you can't put in anything else than Score, Putts and (in the Android Version) detect a shot manually.

The idea was from the beginning that the should be no interruption of the game during the round.

looks interesting, aren't you based around Munich somewhere.

you have a typo in your footer 'tourbrassie - on stop platform for professional golf scores' should be 'tourbrassie - one stop platform for professional golf scores'?

[tourbrassie]

With the tracking tech, are you saying that, if my only goal is to do shot tracking, that I could keep my phone in my pocket the entire round, it will register where I hit my shots from, and then I can go in and edit later to make sure it got which club I hit? Or can I choose the club hit real time while playing?

 

While playing you can't put in anything else than Score, Putts and (in the Android Version) detect a shot manually.

The idea was from the beginning that the should be no interruption of the game during the round.

looks interesting, aren't you based around Munich somewhere.

you have a typo in your footer 'tourbrassie - on stop platform for professional golf scores' should be 'tourbrassie - one stop platform for professional golf scores'?

 

Yes, we are based south of Munich. In Gauting. Great place :-)

[tourbrassie]

Hi there,

 

I've created an Youtube-Channel with english Tutorial-Videos. But I am the speaker - a german Professional golfer ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCezcxcyQfx14jC40FWpQfTA

[Z1ggy16]

Used software yesterday for the first time. 2 things kind of stood out for me that I have questions on:

 

1) the GPS seems way off at times. I had a few approaches where the distance it was telling me was wildly off compared to when I did laser. Other times, it seemed accurate. All in all I really only use GPS/map function to plan out my shots, I use my laser for all distance finding, so it's not hugely important.

 

2) App is considering my practice swings as "shots" and I think it's getting confused. This means pretty much every single hole I have go edit the shots, which when I'm trying to keep pace is sort of difficult. Then after the round I need to try and remember the placement of every single shot I took? Kind of tough. I think as I use it more and more I'll get better at it. At least it's easy to input my score for the hole and my # of putts. Editing the shots on the fly in the app so far has been a little difficult.

 

Is their a tutorial online of how to do this?

[tourbrassie]

Used software yesterday for the first time. 2 things kind of stood out for me that I have questions on:

 

1) the GPS seems way off at times. I had a few approaches where the distance it was telling me was wildly off compared to when I did laser. Other times, it seemed accurate. All in all I really only use GPS/map function to plan out my shots, I use my laser for all distance finding, so it's not hugely important.

 

2) App is considering my practice swings as "shots" and I think it's getting confused. This means pretty much every single hole I have go edit the shots, which when I'm trying to keep pace is sort of difficult. Then after the round I need to try and remember the placement of every single shot I took? Kind of tough. I think as I use it more and more I'll get better at it. At least it's easy to input my score for the hole and my # of putts. Editing the shots on the fly in the app so far has been a little difficult.

 

Is their a tutorial online of how to do this?

 

Sorry, for the delayed answer.

 

1) We are working on this issue. Thank you for the feedback on that.

 

2) In the next step we will show only one shot per shot. So we will filter out the practice swings. This should be helpful.

 

We got an english youtube-Channel (Youtube-Channel with Tutorials). If you need anything else just let me know here or send an mail to support@bebrassie.com.

[Z1ggy16]

Ok I've watched the videos thanks. My only question with the editing of a round - Must you only do this after the round is complete? Can you do it in real time after each hole? By the time I get home I won't remember where every single shot I took ended up going, but right after the hole I certainly will.

[tourbrassie]

Ok I've watched the videos thanks. My only question with the editing of a round - Must you only do this after the round is complete? Can you do it in real time after each hole? By the time I get home I won't remember where every single shot I took ended up going, but right after the hole I certainly will.

 

You have to do at the end of the round after uploaded the round to the server. With Android (and soon with iOS too) you can detect your shots manually by pressing a button on the phone.

Our experience is that the players are getting better and better in remembering their shots, just because they reflect their rounds on a regular base.

[Z1ggy16]

Okay, thanks.

 

Any plays for software updates to be able to edit your shot location using the app while still playing?

[tourbrassie]

Okay, thanks.

 

Any plays for software updates to be able to edit your shot location using the app while still playing?

 

I took this up to the team for an open discussion, I like your idea. My Product Manager will make prototype this weekend, so we can test this during the week.

[Trane5]

Tourbrassie, will your product work with the Apple Watch 2? Is so, will it work off the built in GPS of the AW2? Can you select which club you use manually on the watch so we can keep our phones in our bags? If not, these would be excellent features!

[Fiveten03]

Agree with Trane5, i think this would be a step in the right direction to differentiating from the competition. Anything that can be done to eliminate the reliance on the phone during rounds would be ideal.

[tourbrassie]

Tourbrassie, will your product work with the Apple Watch 2? Is so, will it work off the built in GPS of the AW2? Can you select which club you use manually on the watch so we can keep our phones in our bags? If not, these would be excellent features!

 

Yes, it works with the Apple Watch 2, but just for viewing the rangefinder. We are working on a prototype that uses the built in GPS, but there still some issues to solve.

Good idea to choose or select the played club live on course. I am not sure how to do it, but I am happy to get good input from your side.

[tourbrassie]

Agree with Trane5, i think this would be a step in the right direction to differentiating from the competition. Anything that can be done to eliminate the reliance on the phone during rounds would be ideal.

 

Yeah, I understand that. That's a good point.

[Z1ggy16]

Looking forward to these updates in the future, really liking the app so far. Really the only downside for me is having to remember every single shot location to edit on my computer later, but I'm probably very close most of the time... Close enough to make the stats meaningful. I record FIR/GIR and Putts on my score card, so it makes putting shot placement a little easier afterward.

[Duke of Hazards]

I gotta say that with the established competition in the shot tracking arena and with this app being in a 'developmental stage', it's a pretty bold move to charge $60/yr for a golf app. That's at least double most of the competition (Golfpad, Golfshot, Swing by Swing, etc).

 

I can't imagine that this business model is going to be successful, unless you have a massive team of free labor scouring golf website forums for people to sign up.

 

Even if it actually worked (I've not tried it myself, but have read most of the 'reviews', including a scathing one on Reddit), I'm not sure it would be worth $60/yr.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. On paper, it sounds wonderful. Automated golf shot tracking (akin to Shotscope and Arccos), but without any equipment (aside from a smartphone, which everyone has).

 

It just seems like those 2 players developed some sound tech first before releasing it while bebrassie is putting a fully laden cart before the horse.

[tourbrassie]

I gotta say that with the established competition in the shot tracking arena and with this app being in a 'developmental stage', it's a pretty bold move to charge $60/yr for a golf app. That's at least double most of the competition (Golfpad, Golfshot, Swing by Swing, etc).

 

I can't imagine that this business model is going to be successful, unless you have a massive team of free labor scouring golf website forums for people to sign up.

 

Even if it actually worked (I've not tried it myself, but have read most of the 'reviews', including a scathing one on Reddit), I'm not sure it would be worth $60/yr.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. On paper, it sounds wonderful. Automated golf shot tracking (akin to Shotscope and Arccos), but without any equipment (aside from a smartphone, which everyone has).

 

It just seems like those 2 players developed some sound tech first before releasing it while bebrassie is putting a fully laden cart before the horse.

 

Having an opinion is the one thing to form an opinion the other. I would like you to go out and test it! Then you will see that the software is not on a »development stage«.

I also read the review on reddit.com and if you use the software without any information about how to do it, it could be a little bit difficult. But it was helpful to get this feedback and we try to get better and better.

 

And sorry, but Arccos got a lot of problems during the last year with their first charge of sensors and Shotscope wasn't able to deliver a working iOS App the whole 2016. So all players got their problems and in no market you will find software products that work 100% crash free from the beginning.

 

Hope you find time to test bebrassie. I am looking forward to your feedback.

 

Best Oliver

[Fiveten03]

Oliver,

 

Appreciate your involvement on this thread, humbly working with customers and incorporating feedback is unique and shouldn't be overlooked.

 

Might be worth considering a QA promotion for those that are testing the software and providing high quality feedback. Standardize the feedback loop with a detailed quarterly survey and in exchange offer a full year trial to participant. Could be invaluable to honing the UI, product support material, and possibly earn some brand evangelicals. Congrats pushing your product forward!!

[Z1ggy16]

Oliver, see if you can get MGS to evaluate and write an article on your software. I know a decent amount of people read their blog and it could point out other areas that could be improved on as well as raise product awareness for free (or minimal cost).

 

I gotta say that with the established competition in the shot tracking arena and with this app being in a 'developmental stage', it's a pretty bold move to charge $60/yr for a golf app. That's at least double most of the competition (Golfpad, Golfshot, Swing by Swing, etc).

 

I can't imagine that this business model is going to be successful, unless you have a massive team of free labor scouring golf website forums for people to sign up.

 

Even if it actually worked (I've not tried it myself, but have read most of the 'reviews', including a scathing one on Reddit), I'm not sure it would be worth $60/yr.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. On paper, it sounds wonderful. Automated golf shot tracking (akin to Shotscope and Arccos), but without any equipment (aside from a smartphone, which everyone has).

 

It just seems like those 2 players developed some sound tech first before releasing it while bebrassie is putting a fully laden cart before the horse.

It's $50 USD a year when you buy the yearly sub, and only $60 if you buy month to month for an entire year, just so you know.

 

And I'm not quite understanding the "business model" thing here? All you're saying is it costs more, but offers the same exact product (which I disagree with). That has nothing to do with business model.

 

I've used a fair amount of golf apps for GPS use, score keeping and other stats, but the one thing that this app does much better than anything else I've yet to use is the statics it can calculate and provide to the user. Not only do get the simple things that are tracked by many other apps like putts, GIR/FIR and USGA Handicap, but you get literally a dozen other useful sets of data, specifically SG18 for all areas of the golf round. It can tell you your strokes average per hole type which I've found useful and also your putting percentages per a given distance. Lastly, it can show you your bag gapping as it records how far each shot you take goes and the corresponded club you used... You just need to edit the round after to fix any assumptions it made (which are based on the "club data" you input when you first get the app) which is massively important to any serious golfer. Overall, the stat data that is presented is absolutely top notch and for me personally, makes the app distinguished from anything else I've personally come across.

 

Additionally, Oliver is extremely helpful and answers via email to any problem or question you have. I've found minor bugs in the software and let him know, and within 24 hours they got fixed. That type of personal attention to the consumer base from a start up is very important.

 

Right now my 2 biggest gripes are the accuracy of the GPS itself (sometimes takes up to 5-10 seconds to calibrate), and the fact it records practice swings as real swings, which screws with shot placement when I go to enter in my data later on. I don't think they can do much about the 2nd one if the user wishes to just press "play" and never touch the app again.

 

I think before you pass judgement, you should try this app yourself and not just rely on some triggered person off reddit as the basis of your opinion.

[Duke of Hazards]

Oliver, see if you can get MGS to evaluate and write an article on your software. I know a decent amount of people read their blog and it could point out other areas that could be improved on as well as raise product awareness for free (or minimal cost).

 

I gotta say that with the established competition in the shot tracking arena and with this app being in a 'developmental stage', it's a pretty bold move to charge $60/yr for a golf app. That's at least double most of the competition (Golfpad, Golfshot, Swing by Swing, etc).

 

I can't imagine that this business model is going to be successful, unless you have a massive team of free labor scouring golf website forums for people to sign up.

 

Even if it actually worked (I've not tried it myself, but have read most of the 'reviews', including a scathing one on Reddit), I'm not sure it would be worth $60/yr.

 

 

Don't get me wrong. On paper, it sounds wonderful. Automated golf shot tracking (akin to Shotscope and Arccos), but without any equipment (aside from a smartphone, which everyone has).

 

It just seems like those 2 players developed some sound tech first before releasing it while bebrassie is putting a fully laden cart before the horse.

It's $50 USD a year when you buy the yearly sub, and only $60 if you buy month to month for an entire year, just so you know.

 

And I'm not quite understanding the "business model" thing here? All you're saying is it costs more, but offers the same exact product (which I disagree with). That has nothing to do with business model.

 

I've used a fair amount of golf apps for GPS use, score keeping and other stats, but the one thing that this app does much better than anything else I've yet to use is the statics it can calculate and provide to the user. Not only do get the simple things that are tracked by many other apps like putts, GIR/FIR and USGA Handicap, but you get literally a dozen other useful sets of data, specifically SG18 for all areas of the golf round. It can tell you your strokes average per hole type which I've found useful and also your putting percentages per a given distance. Lastly, it can show you your bag gapping as it records how far each shot you take goes and the corresponded club you used... You just need to edit the round after to fix any assumptions it made (which are based on the "club data" you input when you first get the app) which is massively important to any serious golfer. Overall, the stat data that is presented is absolutely top notch and for me personally, makes the app distinguished from anything else I've personally come across.

 

Additionally, Oliver is extremely helpful and answers via email to any problem or question you have. I've found minor bugs in the software and let him know, and within 24 hours they got fixed. That type of personal attention to the consumer base from a start up is very important.

 

Right now my 2 biggest gripes are the accuracy of the GPS itself (sometimes takes up to 5-10 seconds to calibrate), and the fact it records practice swings as real swings, which screws with shot placement when I go to enter in my data later on. I don't think they can do much about the 2nd one if the user wishes to just press "play" and never touch the app again.

 

I think before you pass judgement, you should try this app yourself and not just rely on some triggered person off reddit as the basis of your opinion.

 

Fair enough on some of your points. Admittedly, I haven't tried it myself.

 

Additionally, it's highly encouraging that the developer is involved (you mentioned him by name - Oliver) and timely with feedback. That bodes well for the improvement of the product.

 

I currently use Golfpad GPS, which includes most of the stats you mentioned... club distances, avg per hole, strokes gained (broken down into 4 categories), etc....

 

I pay $10/yr (grandfathered). Currently, their premium subscription is $20/yr.

 

The primary issue I have with this is the value. It's $50/yr for the app. Per your own admission, there's a lot of data cleanup post round as the auto-detection (which is the primary selling point) does not

work reliably. If you have to sit down in front of a computer and adjust multiple shots over 18 holes, delete duplicate practice swings, etc, etc, I don't really see the value.

 

The statistics portion of the app is just math and programming - that stuff, to me, is not worth $50/yr. Everyone (exaggeration) has that stuff. What I personally feel is worth paying a monthly fee or a one time investment for is the actual 'tech' used to record the shots. Arccos has the club tags that have gyroscopes and bluetooth, ShotScope has the GPS enabled wristwatch with NFC/RFID scanner, Game Golf has the tags and the belt GPS scanner thing. Those things cost money and justify the price.

 

If bebrassie had some secret sauce programming that enabled them to accurately record shots from the phone that matched or exceeded what the only other two somewhat reliable 'auto-detect' options (Arccos and ShotScope), then there might be something there worth paying for.

(aside: I say 'reliable' above, because there are a few other wrist watch based 'auto-detect' options (Garmin S20, e.g.) which are anecdotally unreliable in general)

 

Listen, I know it's a tall order. This is new tech. Reliable auto shot detection is the holy grail since you don't have to fuss and tag during the round. I get it. Neither Arccos nor ShotScope are perfect either. Someday, possibly soon, they'll perfect it. But I don't see that this option (which is primarily limited to full swings) is gonna be the one, and it just (to me) seems overpriced to boot. I just don't think many people are going to want to continue to pay $5/month for an app that requires them to spend a bunch of time correcting a ton of stuff after the round.

 

I appreciate that you're enjoying the app and I hope it improves. If it sees further adoption and the they iron out the kinks and this thing goes huge, more power to them. I'll continue to follow what's going on with it.

[Z1ggy16]

$20 is pretty good if you get every single statisic that bebrassie offers. I could list all the ones if you're interested because I'm not 100% sure you can find out just from their website.

 

As far as Arccos goes, I haven't used it yet (but I will be Sat at a Cobra demo day) so I can't really comment. How do they tell when you swing for real and practice a swing? If all they use are internal gyros and accels. I would assume they would have the same dilema (false recording or confusing shots).

 

I'd say the overall time I spend after the round making "corrections" and clean ups is like 10 minutes or so, maybe 30s per hole. I've said this above and I've personally talked to Oliver that I do find it a little annoying and I know for a fact more people would buy in if they could do it on the fly, inside of an app on their phone. As a current user, that is the #1 way in my eyes they can improve upon this software. Otherwise, yeah you spend a couple minutes, it's not the end of the world and the UI is very friendly and pretty good quality. I'm guessing prices are high due to some high initial entry costs, but if they are a good small company, once any debts/loans get paid off, savings can be passed on to consumers. As golfers who may spend thousands of dollars a year on this sport we love, paying $20-30 more over the course of a calendar year doesn't bug me if I get responsive customer service and prompt attention to problems if they occur.

[Trane5]

Tourbrassie, will your product work with the Apple Watch 2? Is so, will it work off the built in GPS of the AW2? Can you select which club you use manually on the watch so we can keep our phones in our bags? If not, these would be excellent features!

 

Yes, it works with the Apple Watch 2, but just for viewing the rangefinder. We are working on a prototype that uses the built in GPS, but there still some issues to solve.

Good idea to choose or select the played club live on course. I am not sure how to do it, but I am happy to get good input from your side.

 

Oliver,

 

Check out the "TrackMyGolf" an app that works with the Apple Watch 2's native GPS. If you could incorporate how their app works with its features: native watch GPS, auto detection, and then manual club selection with BeBrassie's detailed stats and strokes gained analysis, YOU WOULD HAVE A WINNER!!!! Also, being able to move the pin location to its actual place is KEY too! Thanks for interacting with us & Best of Luck to you and your team on the app!

[Peter_b]

Resurrecting this thread — after testing all available shot tracking apps, Bebrassie now seems quite promising following a long string of disappointments. Arccos appears to have priced itself out of the market; with their current pricing model, many users will likely start looking for alternatives. Meanwhile, Apple Watch sensor tracking has become so good that dedicated hardware is starting to feel obsolete.

I also tested Tangent and was impressed with its shot tracking and features — but I just can’t get past the user interface. It's really poor and hard to tolerate.

Here’s what matters to me in a shot tracking app — and this is also directed at Oliver, since I’ll likely bombard him with feature requests:

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– Is my home course available?
My home course is only 10 years old, but Google Maps satellite imagery is even older. Who knows when that will ever be updated. Arccos uses Apple Maps, which shows up-to-date imagery — that's great. At the very least, there needs to be an accurate overlay, which Bebrassie provides. Tangent also includes overlays, but you're stuck with the forest-covered Google imagery in the background, which you can’t turn off. Golfshot shows distances to greens and hazards but lacks an overlay — which makes it nearly useless for doglegs. That rules out most apps for me. If I can’t use it properly on my home course, I’m not buying it.

– Accurate measurements.
Most apps do this well these days. Makes me wonder if they're all pulling from the same centralized data source.

– Strokes Gained.
No strokes gained = no purchase. For low-handicap players, this is the only meaningful way to identify and quantify weaknesses. Bebrassie has this — great.

– Good user interface.
It shouldn’t be cluttered. Information and key actions need to be accessible exactly when and where they’re needed. So far, Bebrassie seems to do this well — I’ll reserve final judgment for after more testing. Tangent completely fails here; its UI is a dealbreaker for me.

– In-round measurement usability.
This may seem minor, but it’s something I use constantly — easily 50+ times per round. I prefer shot tracking because I hate having to “Captain Cook” through a laser rangefinder, especially when flags are elevated or obscured. Laser rangefinders distract me more than pulling a phone from my pocket. I need quick hazard distance readings and to know what clubs will keep me short or carry trouble. So moving the aim point must be quick and intuitive — without my finger blocking the view. I’ll see how Bebrassie handles this in the long run. I already have a few ideas for feature requests.

– Club detection AI.
Tangent does a great job here. We’ll see how Bebrassie performs over time.

– Auto-detection of the next hole.
If I’ve just been putting, it’s 99% certain I’m walking to the next hole. Don’t ask me after every green. On the other hand, if my last shot was from the fairway and then I appear on the next tee box, it's fair to ask whether I holed out from 150, sliced one into the woods, or quit the hole. Tee boxes should be easy to detect most of the time.

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Pricing:
The best price is directly on their website. I’m going for the 5-year plan — which ends up costing less than a single year of Arccos and half of Tangent’s annual rate.

And just to be clear before anyone asks: I’m not affiliated with Bebrassie — even if I happen to live nearby. I'm just frustrated by most golf apps and washed up on Bebrassie beach.

 

ran this through chatgpt for better English and readabilty 

 

Edited July 21 by Peter_b