Masters ticket resellers ( scalpers)

[bladehunter]

I just do not get why you care ? You don't have any idea what I paid for them and I truly did list them in here so a member could save himself a grand or better. I certainly didn't lose my mind. Buckeye fan

 

 

 

man that explains alot.. ( i kid the buckeys.....sort of..lol)

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

Why not advertise it as mint ? Or you won't do that bc you cannot "profit" as much ?

 

The reasoning for me not being able to sell a new/uncut shaft is because the manufacturers prohibit it. The Masters prohibits you from reselling tickets. You can sell tickets but I can sell a shaft. I have to follow the rules where you don't.

[chickenpotpie]

Personally, I have no problem with guys selling them here. I'd rather have a market for them (albeit inflated) than no market at all. You didn't win the lottery, sorry. Prohibiting sales here won't change that and it won't stop guys from entering so they can resell. They'll just go somewhere else to sell, and I'd rather have some amount of WRX community behind the BST to help sort through whether I should buy from a guy or not.

 

As to the point about shoes or balls, I also think they should be fair game. But seeing dozens of shoe ads would get to be a bit much after awhile.

 

The uncut shaft rule is in place because of sponsors. I bet if Costco, Nike, or ANGC was a sponsor there'd be another rule.

[TheBIIgCat]

The Masters prohibits so much that they allow it to happen right outside the gate ??? Again, why not advertise your shaft as mint and sell it for slightly less then new ? Kinda like I sold the tickets for less here vs other outlets ?

[GwrxMod]

You folks can knock off the personal attacks and stay on topic - warnings issued!

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

The Masters prohibits so much that they allow it to happen right outside the gate ??? Again, why not advertise your shaft as mint and sell it for slightly less then new ? Kinda like I sold the tickets for less here vs other outlets ?

 

You can go on eBay and sell an uncut shaft but we're not talking about eBay or outside the gates at August, this thread is talking about the BST here.

[TheBIIgCat]

Again, why not sell it as mint for a little less to help a member of this community save a few bucks ?

 

Since I am obviously so hard up for 5k.. 50-100 bucks must be nothing to you

[TheBIIgCat]

I know how you like to "earn your money" and not take advantage of the less fortunate peasants like myself

[Whatsinthebag]

OP. Should the grocery store sell me grapes for 17 cents because that's what they paid. They're flipping produce for profit. That's called capitalism. I buy and sell stuff all the time. When you win the lottery, sell me a ticket for $65

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

Again, why not sell it as mint for a little less to help a member of this community save a few bucks ?

 

Since I am obviously so hard up for 5k.. 50-100 bucks must be nothing to you

 

So your advice is to be dishonest to bend the rules? I really don't have a new uncut shaft that I want to sell but the sale of that is frowned upon by the manufacturers much like the sale of Masters tickets is frowned upon by the Masters.

 

I guess if you are going to use the BST for profit there aren't any current rules in place to stop you but I personally think there should be. I don't mind if sponsors post something in there for profit (which they rarely do) because they're paying fees that help add content to this site. I try to patronize the sponsors because I get that they pump money and giveaways into the site and however small the impact may be I think that someone using the site to profit without contributing or paying sponsorship fees is wrong.

[bladehunter]

I know how you like to "earn your money" and not take advantage of the less fortunate peasants like myself

 

 

 

You just arent hearing what the topic actually is... nobody is talking about what you are doing as a side business.... the topic is whether it should be done here on the FREE buy sale trade.... since you arent getting your tickets from the lottery i dont even have a beef at all with you .... none... I just question whether or not it was a double standard of sorts for the tickets to be sold here... Im betting if there were a big demand for other pro golf events and someone had tickets listed every week for said events they would get shut down...I simply see an exception being made and wondered if i was the only one seeing it

[bladehunter]

OP. Should the grocery store sell me grapes for 17 cents because that's what they paid. They're flipping produce for profit. That's called capitalism. I buy and sell stuff all the time. When you win the lottery, sell me a ticket for $65

 

 

if you paid for them through a wholesaler then no sell them for whatever you can get .. BUT if you lined up at the homeless shelter and were given them then free then turn around and sell them for 2000% profit then i think its anoher story.... and to answer you on the $65 ticket if i had one.... ask anyone here who knows me well ... I would likely give it to you if i liked you...and wouldnt sell it to you for $5k if i didnt

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I'm not sure if USA companies do it, but in Canada most concerts and sporting events are credit card entry to prevent scalpers. I.E. The purchaser of the ticket has to be present and there is a limit on tickets.

 

I like that. Wish concert tickets were done that way in the USA. Ticket resellers selling concert tickets multiples above face value are nothing but scum. Doing what you said they do in Canada would shut these lowlifes down.

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

OP. Should the grocery store sell me grapes for 17 cents because that's what they paid. They're flipping produce for profit. That's called capitalism. I buy and sell stuff all the time. When you win the lottery, sell me a ticket for $65

 

 

if you paid for them through a wholesaler then no sell them for whatever you can get .. BUT if you lined up at the homeless shelter and were given them then free then turn around and sell them for 2000% profit then i think its anoher story.... and to answer you on the $65 ticket if i had one.... ask anyone here who knows me well ... I would likely give it to you if i liked you...and wouldnt sell it to you for $5k if i didnt

 

This is perfect. It's like someone flipping tickets is paying rent, utilities, employees, etc. etc. etc. Instead the thread is about quite the contrary. Buying something for almost nothing, selling it for a ton, and not paying any "rent" or fees to this site. To me it just cheapens the whole BST portion.

[ctfuzz21]

I stepped away for a minute and 4 pages later....

 

Bladehunter: my analogy abt a Cameron was not directed at you. I'm on the mobile version, so I can not see your signature. Was just making an analogy many people would understand.

 

As for the difference between tickets and other items, as I think we've really boiled this down to a perceived hypocrisy, (right?) is 15 people per day were posting Nike shoes and sending newly posted ads to page 3 almost immediately. As for the shafts, I can not speak for the shafts or really any of the other rules. I mean, heck, if were complaining, let me post 15 items at once.

 

Now, as for whether it should be ok for flippers to sell on BST, the answer absolutely should be yes. 3 main reasons:

1- the market sets the price. If it's not worth the asking price, nobody will buy it or the price will be driven back to the market's accepted range.

2- it would be difficult to police who is passing along a cost and who is profiting. Take one step further, how much is too much profit versus worth the effort profit?

3- it's good for the site. (This next part is an educated estimation) Flippers and the BST as a whole drive traffic to the site. That traffic helps sell ad space and bring on sponsors, which in turns helps support other content on the site.

 

Yeah, i would rather pay $65 than $400 for a ticket. But, if you see value in paying $400 versus not going, then I'm glad we have that option on this forum and within the WRX community.

[icecat88]

I know how you like to "earn your money" and not take advantage of the less fortunate peasants like myself

 

 

 

You just arent hearing what the topic actually is... nobody is talking about what you are doing as a side business.... the topic is whether it should be done here on the FREE buy sale trade.... since you arent getting your tickets from the lottery i dont even have a beef at all with you .... none... I just question whether or not it was a double standard of sorts for the tickets to be sold here... Im betting if there were a big demand for other pro golf events and someone had tickets listed every week for said events they would get shut down...I simply see an exception being made and wondered if i was the only one seeing it

I second that well said and also agree with there being an exception made

[bladehunter]

I stepped away for a minute and 4 pages later....

 

Bladehunter: my analogy abt a Cameron was not directed at you. I'm on the mobile version, so I can not see your signature. Was just making an analogy many people would understand.

 

As for the difference between tickets and other items, as I think we've really boiled this down to a perceived hypocrisy, (right?) is 15 people per day were posting Nike shoes and sending newly posted ads to page 3 almost immediately. As for the shafts, I can not speak for the shafts or really any of the other rules. I mean, heck, if were complaining, let me post 15 items at once.

 

Now, as for whether it should be ok for flippers to sell on BST, the answer absolutely should be yes. 3 main reasons:

1- the market sets the price. If it's not worth the asking price, nobody will buy it or the price will be driven back to the market's accepted range.

2- it would be difficult to police who is passing along a cost and who is profiting. Take one step further, how much is too much profit versus worth the effort profit?

3- it's good for the site. (This next part is an educated estimation) Flippers and the BST as a whole drive traffic to the site. That traffic helps sell ad space and bring on sponsors, which in turns helps support other content on the site.

 

Yeah, i would rather pay $65 than $400 for a ticket. But, if you see value in paying $400 versus not going, then I'm glad we have that option on this forum and within the WRX community.

 

 

 

1st off ..thank you for being able to reply in a polite tone... lol ( that seems to be hard on this topic) .... a part of me doesnt disagree with anything you said ... But a part does of course... thats ok ... as for the price... heck i would think hard about paying $400 to get to go once... but $4k? no way . whatever though.. i have a new TV ill watch it on and my pimento cheese is better i bet anyway ..lol

[Whatsinthebag]

Here's a great example of market setting price. There are 2 tickets for Thursday opening round on BST as of 9:30am. Price has been dropped because no one wanted to pay asking price at $3300. If they don't sell here they will probably go on the bay. So far the BST has decided the price and its no different than selling a shaft and no interest. The seller isn't benefiting from the BST and that's why it's ok to sell here. IMO

[bladehunter]

Here's a great example of market setting price. There are 2 tickets for Thursday opening round on BST as of 9:30am. Price has been dropped because no one wanted to pay asking price at $3300. If they don't sell here they will probably go on the bay. So far the BST has decided the price and its no different than selling a shaft and no interest. The seller isn't benefiting from the BST and that's why it's ok to sell here. IMO

 

 

 

Oh sure... i agree on premise of supply and demand as far as price goes... Im just questioning #1 the morality of selling a ticket gained by gift or by lottery ( very similar in my eyes) for that much profit....#2 whether or not that sale should be facilitated by the FREE BST here?... especially when other things gifted ( example clubs won in giveaways here, clubs given on trips here etc ) and things bought at closeout with the intent to resell ( example nike shoes, Ksig balls, ) are stricktly prohibited .....

 

as i said before im realistic , and know that it wont likely change without it becoming a flooding BST issue.. but thats no reason to not ask the question ...I guess the one bright pint is that i can always keep the tickets in my back pocket as an argument when or if somthing im selling is deemed to not be cool to sell ... not that it will change anything.. But always nice to be able to point out inequity when you can .

[chickenpotpie]

Here's a great example of market setting price. There are 2 tickets for Thursday opening round on BST as of 9:30am. Price has been dropped because no one wanted to pay asking price at $3300. If they don't sell here they will probably go on the bay. So far the BST has decided the price and its no different than selling a shaft and no interest. The seller isn't benefiting from the BST and that's why it's ok to sell here. IMO

 

 

 

Oh sure... i agree on premise of supply and demand as far as price goes... Im just questioning #1 the morality of selling a ticket gained by gift or by lottery ( very similar in my eyes) for that much profit....#2 whether or not that sale should be facilitated by the FREE BST here?... especially when other things gifted ( example clubs won in giveaways here, clubs given on trips here etc ) and things bought at closeout with the intent to resell ( example nike shoes, Ksig balls, ) are stricktly prohibited .....

 

as i said before im realistic , and know that it wont likely change without it becoming a flooding BST issue.. but thats no reason to not ask the question ...I guess the one bright pint is that i can always keep the tickets in my back pocket as an argument when or if somthing im selling is deemed to not be cool to sell ... not that it will change anything.. But always nice to be able to point out inequity when you can .

 

Things gifted here via contests and items sold that violate sponsor requirements are different animals. You can't compare them to Masters tickets. If you were to go on MastersWRX the rules would be the opposite I'm sure.

 

KSigs are not prohibited, though for some reason people who sell for more than they paid are treated as pariahs. I don't understand that.

 

In the end, I don't think there will be an answer that pleases everyone. For you, I think your best recourse is to move on to the next ad. That's what I do when I see something that is way overpriced for whatever reason.

[Medic]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

[bladehunter]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

 

 

Sure. But then why not allow other "free trade " sales ? Why the double standard ? I don't buy the " Nike shoe flood " theory. A single seller can't flood the bst. He can't open more than one ad. And multiple sellers surely wouldn't last as they would drive each other's sale prices down.

 

In the end I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Winning the lottery for these tickets is a privledge that should be for people who intend to attend only. The people who sign up knowing full well they won't go ( you know who you are ) just to make a quick couple thousand are taking advantage of this system and I'm my eyes it's wrong. It's literally a large part of what drives these ticket prices up. It's false demand. The true demand is much less than what it appears. I woul love to know the % of tickets that are bought and resold. I'm certain it's more than half. That's not true demand.

 

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a horse trader. I'll take a $300 putter and turn it into $2k by the end of the month. But I earn that. If someone gives me a 2k putter I'm not going to turn around and sell it tomorow. ( it's been done and I still have it ). I just see it differently I guess and I'm ok with it. Just wondered how different I was.

[Medic]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

 

 

Sure. But then why not allow other "free trade " sales ? Why the double standard ? I don't buy the " Nike shoe flood " theory. A single seller can't flood the bst. He can't open more than one ad. And multiple sellers surely wouldn't last as they would drive each other's sale prices down.

 

In the end I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Winning the lottery for these tickets is a privledge that should be for people who intend to attend only. The people who sign up knowing full well they won't go ( you know who you are ) just to make a quick couple thousand are taking advantage of this system and I'm my eyes it's wrong. It's literally a large part of what drives these ticket prices up. It's false demand. The true demand is much less than what it appears. I woul love to know the % of tickets that are bought and resold. I'm certain it's more than half. That's not true demand.

 

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a horse trader. I'll take a $300 putter and turn it into $2k by the end of the month. But I earn that. If someone gives me a 2k putter I'm not going to turn around and sell it tomorow. ( it's been done and I still have it ). I just see it differently I guess and I'm ok with it. Just wondered how different I was.

 

I cannot disagree with your position completely. Those tickets are special to be sure. But I personally know of two cases where the person went into the lottery fully expecting to be able to attend and then could not. Sometimes life gets in the way. In one case a sudden illness and some chemo prevented him from going. In the other he had an emergency at home and could not make it.

In your belief, those tickets go to waste? I guess they could be given away or donated. To my knowledge there is a no return policy in place so sending them back for a refund isn't an option. If I pay $65 for something then, at the time I bought it, it has a value that has been established - $65. Do I not have the right to recuperate that amount should life interrupt my original plans and prevent me from going?

There is zero chance that I would ever part with Masters tics if I won them. I have enough friends that they would not go to waste. Odds are if I paid $65 for a ticket and could not use it, I would simply ask my buddy to either pay me back my $65 or perhaps take me out to dinner while there or something.

 

I guess, as I have said many times on here, "their board - their rules". That's probably the main reason it doesn't really bother me so much that tickets are being openly marketed. If I want them I can buy them. If not I can ignore the ads. And until GolfWrx changes the rules that's the way it is.

[RookieBlue7]

I personally don't give a crap if people try to flip. Markets set pices. You want something pay up. If not move on.

 

However in light of the Nike shoes being shut down it is a valid and interesting point.

 

And you aren't supposed to sell new/uncut shafts due to manufacturers requirements. The Masters prohibits reselling tickets that are received from the lottery so why allow them to be sold here and not new/uncut shafts? Does Matrix have more clout than Augusta?

 

 

Difference = Matrix is a sponsor (see bottom of page) and Augusta National is not. Augusta National somewhat encourages (not directly or openly) the resales. They have created an exclusive event (and don't offer more tickets, reopen the list, or make it an open lottery every year) and they don't shut down other sellers. There is a bus parked less than 1 mile from ANGC that advertises purchasing "Golf" tickets on the side. It stays parked there from January until the tournament ends. Don't see any attempts to stop it in their backyard, literally.

 

This. And to add, the state of Georgia law states you can resale with a permit to resale as long as you're more than 500 feet from the venue.

[Joebirds55]

It appears this thread is going in circles.

[bladehunter]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

 

 

Sure. But then why not allow other "free trade " sales ? Why the double standard ? I don't buy the " Nike shoe flood " theory. A single seller can't flood the bst. He can't open more than one ad. And multiple sellers surely wouldn't last as they would drive each other's sale prices down.

 

In the end I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Winning the lottery for these tickets is a privledge that should be for people who intend to attend only. The people who sign up knowing full well they won't go ( you know who you are ) just to make a quick couple thousand are taking advantage of this system and I'm my eyes it's wrong. It's literally a large part of what drives these ticket prices up. It's false demand. The true demand is much less than what it appears. I woul love to know the % of tickets that are bought and resold. I'm certain it's more than half. That's not true demand.

 

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a horse trader. I'll take a $300 putter and turn it into $2k by the end of the month. But I earn that. If someone gives me a 2k putter I'm not going to turn around and sell it tomorow. ( it's been done and I still have it ). I just see it differently I guess and I'm ok with it. Just wondered how different I was.

 

I cannot disagree with your position completely. Those tickets are special to be sure. But I personally know of two cases where the person went into the lottery fully expecting to be able to attend and then could not. Sometimes life gets in the way. In one case a sudden illness and some chemo prevented him from going. In the other he had an emergency at home and could not make it.

In your belief, those tickets go to waste? I guess they could be given away or donated. To my knowledge there is a no return policy in place so sending them back for a refund isn't an option. If I pay $65 for something then, at the time I bought it, it has a value that has been established - $65. Do I not have the right to recuperate that amount should life interrupt my original plans and prevent me from going?

There is zero chance that I would ever part with Masters tics if I won them. I have enough friends that they would not go to waste. Odds are if I paid $65 for a ticket and could not use it, I would simply ask my buddy to either pay me back my $65 or perhaps take me out to dinner while there or something.

 

I guess, as I have said many times on here, "their board - their rules". That's probably the main reason it doesn't really bother me so much that tickets are being openly marketed. If I want them I can buy them. If not I can ignore the ads. And until GolfWrx changes the rules that's the way it is.

 

 

Well put as alwasy. We agree on this more than you may think at first glance. I would be same as you of I had somethin come up or if I bought the 4th ticket I didn't need ( only need 3). I would invite someone and sure I may ask for the $65 back. I may gift the ticket. Just depends on who and how.

[sixtysevensixtyseven]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

 

 

Sure. But then why not allow other "free trade " sales ? Why the double standard ? I don't buy the " Nike shoe flood " theory. A single seller can't flood the bst. He can't open more than one ad. And multiple sellers surely wouldn't last as they would drive each other's sale prices down.

 

In the end I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Winning the lottery for these tickets is a privledge that should be for people who intend to attend only. The people who sign up knowing full well they won't go ( you know who you are ) just to make a quick couple thousand are taking advantage of this system and I'm my eyes it's wrong. It's literally a large part of what drives these ticket prices up. It's false demand. The true demand is much less than what it appears. I woul love to know the % of tickets that are bought and resold. I'm certain it's more than half. That's not true demand.

 

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a horse trader. I'll take a $300 putter and turn it into $2k by the end of the month. But I earn that. If someone gives me a 2k putter I'm not going to turn around and sell it tomorow. ( it's been done and I still have it ). I just see it differently I guess and I'm ok with it. Just wondered how different I was.

 

I cannot disagree with your position completely. Those tickets are special to be sure. But I personally know of two cases where the person went into the lottery fully expecting to be able to attend and then could not. Sometimes life gets in the way. In one case a sudden illness and some chemo prevented him from going. In the other he had an emergency at home and could not make it.

In your belief, those tickets go to waste? I guess they could be given away or donated. To my knowledge there is a no return policy in place so sending them back for a refund isn't an option. If I pay $65 for something then, at the time I bought it, it has a value that has been established - $65. Do I not have the right to recuperate that amount should life interrupt my original plans and prevent me from going?

There is zero chance that I would ever part with Masters tics if I won them. I have enough friends that they would not go to waste. Odds are if I paid $65 for a ticket and could not use it, I would simply ask my buddy to either pay me back my $65 or perhaps take me out to dinner while there or something.

 

I guess, as I have said many times on here, "their board - their rules". That's probably the main reason it doesn't really bother me so much that tickets are being openly marketed. If I want them I can buy them. If not I can ignore the ads. And until GolfWrx changes the rules that's the way it is.

 

 

Well put as alwasy. We agree on this more than you may think at first glance. I would be same as you of I had somethin come up or if I bought the 4th ticket I didn't need ( only need 3). I would invite someone and sure I may ask for the $65 back. I may gift the ticket. Just depends on who and how.

 

There is no theoretical situation that would change my opinion on this and it doesn't matter whether it's Masters tickets or limited golf clubs that people are flipping for gross profits. I get that there is no way to police people making a profit in the BST but I would guess that most of the sales there are +/- 20% from being a breakeven for the seller so it will be easy to see if someone is abusing the FREE BST portion to turn big profits. There is a place where sponsors are allowed to post deals and make their profits and I've got no problem with a sponsor trying to profit off this site but I do think it's wrong for someone to pay nothing and take advantage of a free service to make a profit off of an audience they've done nothing to help build. For the people flipping Masters tickets here I see it as them making large profits by selling something that they've done nothing to help build on a site that they pay nothing to use and basically get a free ride on something other people (the owners) have worked very hard to create over the course of years.

 

As far as tournament tickets specifically are concerned I would personally not allow them to be listed if I owned a venue that had a free place to buy at sell things. There is just too many rules/regulations and liability for the risk and I just don't see it as driving that much traffic to this site. I put them in the same area of gift cards because it just seems like there is too much that can go wrong and there are specialty places for them to be bought and sold.

[Whatsinthebag]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

 

 

Sure. But then why not allow other "free trade " sales ? Why the double standard ? I don't buy the " Nike shoe flood " theory. A single seller can't flood the bst. He can't open more than one ad. And multiple sellers surely wouldn't last as they would drive each other's sale prices down.

 

In the end I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Winning the lottery for these tickets is a privledge that should be for people who intend to attend only. The people who sign up knowing full well they won't go ( you know who you are ) just to make a quick couple thousand are taking advantage of this system and I'm my eyes it's wrong. It's literally a large part of what drives these ticket prices up. It's false demand. The true demand is much less than what it appears. I woul love to know the % of tickets that are bought and resold. I'm certain it's more than half. That's not true demand.

 

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a horse trader. I'll take a $300 putter and turn it into $2k by the end of the month. But I earn that. If someone gives me a 2k putter I'm not going to turn around and sell it tomorow. ( it's been done and I still have it ). I just see it differently I guess and I'm ok with it. Just wondered how different I was.

 

But if you can buy a putter for 2K and it's worth more, you'll sell it for what the market is willing to pay. I've bought things off the bay and turned a quick profit. The seller got what they wanted and now the burden is on me to re-sell.

[bladehunter]

Ok, honest question here.

 

Suppose I win the lottery and manage to purchase (4) tickets. My initial intention is for my wife and I, along with another couple, to go. But work won't allow my friend and his wife to accompany us. So I opt to part with the extra two I purchased.

 

There are many options available for me. StubHub, TicketMaster, BST, eBay, Craigslist, and even on the street near the venue. This is what every other person with extra tickets does with them apparently in open violation of the ANG rules. Now either Augusta National is completely ignorant and unaware that all of those "extra" tickets are being marketed (and have been for years) or they have become tolerant of something they know they have little real chance to control. We all know the latter is the case.

 

So, back to the example, if members here utilize the power that is a board that is centered on those who love golf to provide a valuable product - so long as both sides of the transaction are satisfied and Augusta National remains tolerant, then who is being hurt?

 

In my example above the spare two tickets - are they to just go to waste in the world of "don't sell those here"? Or perhaps donating them would be acceptable? Perhaps I would be better off destroying them?

In a free market system, wherever there are people who desire or need something, and there are those who have whatever is needed/desired the natural thing to occur is for an exchange to take place. The terms of said exchange are dictated by the parties involved. So long as both parties involved end up satisfied with the end results I just don't understand why anyone would be opposed.

 

 

Sure. But then why not allow other "free trade " sales ? Why the double standard ? I don't buy the " Nike shoe flood " theory. A single seller can't flood the bst. He can't open more than one ad. And multiple sellers surely wouldn't last as they would drive each other's sale prices down.

 

In the end I'll just respectfully agree to disagree. Winning the lottery for these tickets is a privledge that should be for people who intend to attend only. The people who sign up knowing full well they won't go ( you know who you are ) just to make a quick couple thousand are taking advantage of this system and I'm my eyes it's wrong. It's literally a large part of what drives these ticket prices up. It's false demand. The true demand is much less than what it appears. I woul love to know the % of tickets that are bought and resold. I'm certain it's more than half. That's not true demand.

 

Anyone who knows me knows I'm a horse trader. I'll take a $300 putter and turn it into $2k by the end of the month. But I earn that. If someone gives me a 2k putter I'm not going to turn around and sell it tomorow. ( it's been done and I still have it ). I just see it differently I guess and I'm ok with it. Just wondered how different I was.

 

But if you can buy a putter for 2K and it's worth more, you'll sell it for what the market is willing to pay. I've bought things off the bay and turned a quick profit. The seller got what they wanted and now the burden is on me to re-sell.

 

 

yes .. but you arent hearing me... that isnt the same as this... same would be if someone GAVE you the $2k putter and you then sold it ... lol

 

 

Im not angry that im in the minority here.. Im used to it.. it is however a great curiosity of mine... how society sees things and how my views are sometimes way different and sometimes just parrallel somehow yet still not same.... That is what led me to start this thread.. i dont start too many threads that arent equipment related questions for this reason ... Im an odd duck., why ? im not sure.. it bothers me a great deal at times, and at times is comforting .... But more often than not its just like with this post and response..^^^^ I say the same thing x10 and seems that i cannot communicate what my brain is thinking ... or i do so in a language that others just dont hear.. like a dog whistle.. only some can hear me ... Oh well , sorry to ramble on about my issues.. I just like to get a gauge on my stronger feelings to see where on the spectrum of "normal" i fall...

[Whatsinthebag]

Hey I'd love to go but to me it's not worth what the market dictates. I guess I'm ok with all this because I've been buying and selling antiques for years. The thing is, no one is getting free tickets. You have to pay and there's always a secondary market.