How do you breath when you swing?

[boon44]

Mr Miyagi covered this a couple times already...... :stink:

[Jasonic]

Mr Miyagi covered this a couple times already...... :stink:

 

Look eye, ALWAYS LOOK EYE!

[Matt J]

Out. The whole swing.

 

Just made this the focus of my PSR, and it shaved a couple strokes from my index.

 

PM me if you want details.

[Matt J]

Absolutely too much thinking, how high what shape and where it's going. Anything else is too much. Take a rd and when it's your turn keep talking to your partners, your mind won't be on mechanics and your body will do what it needs to . Yrs ago I worked with a top mental golf teacher and he said think of some stupid phrase, but the phrase should be enough to say during your whole swing ,I'e my kid turns 17 oct31,, it will shut down the mechanical brain and put you into automatic.

 

But that forces a long exhale. Bet it works too. Ball flight in your imagination and exhale the whole swing.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Absolutely too much thinking, how high what shape and where it's going. Anything else is too much. Take a rd and when it's your turn keep talking to your partners, your mind won't be on mechanics and your body will do what it needs to . Yrs ago I worked with a top mental golf teacher and he said think of some stupid phrase, but the phrase should be enough to say during your whole swing ,I'e my kid turns 17 oct31,, it will shut down the mechanical brain and put you into automatic.

 

If I wanted to be a jerk, this is what I'd do - I'd tell you that, because of this thread, during your next round, you'll be thinking about your breathing more than you usually do. For the first couple of swings, your customary distractions will work, but with each green or fairway missed, putts that just lip out, it'll become harder and harder to distract yourself. You may find yourself saying your 'stupid phrase' louder in your head to drown out the distraction your ever present breathing has become. You'll be saying your 'stupid phrase' even when you're not swinging. You might even start muttering the phrase to your friends, their puzzled looks growing with each utterance. By the tenth hole, on your way from the tee box to the trees in which you just hit your ball, you'll be walking backwards across the fairway with your eyes closed, your fingers in your ears, and bellowing Mary Had A Little Lamb at the top of your lungs. But, I don't want to be a jerk.

 

Becoming aware of something, thinking about it, and even exploring it in depth does not then doom you to having to think about it at all times. Just because I am aware that 2+2=4 (and sometimes 5, if you listen to Nietzsche), and why that is, doesn't mean I'm going to be preoccupied with the notion every waking moment and every dream I dream. Part of understanding anything is understanding what that knowledge is good for. Can I use it? Can I only use part of it? If I can't use it, will it at least keep from pursuing some other idiotic idea?

 

I play golf because it entertains me. I don't want to be distracted from that. I want to experience all of it. Most of the thoughts that wander through my head during a round are completely useless for golf. But, I enjoy them (unless they're thoughts of killing one of my playing partners who just got out his rangefinder for a long chip).

 

If you have to shut down the mechanical brain (which, I'm pretty sure is the same brain that does 'automatic stuff'), I think it may be because you haven't grasped the role played by the 'mechanical brain'. In car racing, there are mechanics and there are drivers. Their roles are different. Analyzing your golf swing (assessing it, planning and implementing a methodology, etc.) has its place. So, does swinging the club. If you have to keep yourself from thinking of mechanics, it's my suggestion that you don't understand the swinging the club part. The 'stupid phrase' you run through your head to turn off your 'mechanical brain' is also a distraction from your swinging of the club. 'Words in your head' (that we mistakenly confuse for thoughts and feelings) are not part of swinging the club. If you have words in your head, you are not fully there for the swing.

[hybrid25]

Absolutely too much thinking, how high what shape and where it's going. Anything else is too much. Take a rd and when it's your turn keep talking to your partners, your mind won't be on mechanics and your body will do what it needs to . Yrs ago I worked with a top mental golf teacher and he said think of some stupid phrase, but the phrase should be enough to say during your whole swing ,I'e my kid turns 17 oct31,, it will shut down the mechanical brain and put you into automatic.

 

If I wanted to be a jerk, this is what I'd do - I'd tell you that, because of this thread, during your next round, you'll be thinking about your breathing more than you usually do. For the first couple of swings, your customary distractions will work, but with each green or fairway missed, putts that just lip out, it'll become harder and harder to distract yourself. You may find yourself saying your 'stupid phrase' louder in your head to drown out the distraction your ever present breathing has become. You'll be saying your 'stupid phrase' even when you're not swinging. You might even start muttering the phrase to your friends, their puzzled looks growing with each utterance. By the tenth hole, on your way from the tee box to the trees in which you just hit your ball, you'll be walking backwards across the fairway with your eyes closed, your fingers in your ears, and bellowing Mary Had A Little Lamb at the top of your lungs. But, I don't want to be a jerk.

 

Becoming aware of something, thinking about it, and even exploring it in depth does not then doom you to having to think about it at all times. Just because I am aware that 2+2=4 (and sometimes 5, if you listen to Nietzsche), and why that is, doesn't mean I'm going to be preoccupied with the notion every waking moment and every dream I dream. Part of understanding anything is understanding what that knowledge is good for. Can I use it? Can I only use part of it? If I can't use it, will it at least keep from pursuing some other idiotic idea?

 

I play golf because it entertains me. I don't want to be distracted from that. I want to experience all of it. Most of the thoughts that wander through my head during a round are completely useless for golf. But, I enjoy them (unless they're thoughts of killing one of my playing partners who just got out his rangefinder for a long chip).

 

If you have to shut down the mechanical brain (which, I'm pretty sure is the same brain that does 'automatic stuff'), I think it may be because you haven't grasped the role played by the 'mechanical brain'. In car racing, there are mechanics and there are drivers. Their roles are different. Analyzing your golf swing (assessing it, planning and implementing a methodology, etc.) has its place. So, does swinging the club. If you have to keep yourself from thinking of mechanics, it's my suggestion that you don't understand the swinging the club part. The 'stupid phrase' you run through your head to turn off your 'mechanical brain' is also a distraction from your swinging of the club. 'Words in your head' (that we mistakenly confuse for thoughts and feelings) are not part of swinging the club. If you have words in your head, you are not fully there for the swing.

In a sentence your point is?

[Matt J]

Only if you're a mental midget (above post).

 

Every Zen master knows you can't think about your breathing too much until it becomes a distraction and then it's too late.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Absolutely too much thinking, how high what shape and where it's going. Anything else is too much. Take a rd and when it's your turn keep talking to your partners, your mind won't be on mechanics and your body will do what it needs to . Yrs ago I worked with a top mental golf teacher and he said think of some stupid phrase, but the phrase should be enough to say during your whole swing ,I'e my kid turns 17 oct31,, it will shut down the mechanical brain and put you into automatic.

 

If I wanted to be a jerk, this is what I'd do - I'd tell you that, because of this thread, during your next round, you'll be thinking about your breathing more than you usually do. For the first couple of swings, your customary distractions will work, but with each green or fairway missed, putts that just lip out, it'll become harder and harder to distract yourself. You may find yourself saying your 'stupid phrase' louder in your head to drown out the distraction your ever present breathing has become. You'll be saying your 'stupid phrase' even when you're not swinging. You might even start muttering the phrase to your friends, their puzzled looks growing with each utterance. By the tenth hole, on your way from the tee box to the trees in which you just hit your ball, you'll be walking backwards across the fairway with your eyes closed, your fingers in your ears, and bellowing Mary Had A Little Lamb at the top of your lungs. But, I don't want to be a jerk.

 

Becoming aware of something, thinking about it, and even exploring it in depth does not then doom you to having to think about it at all times. Just because I am aware that 2+2=4 (and sometimes 5, if you listen to Nietzsche), and why that is, doesn't mean I'm going to be preoccupied with the notion every waking moment and every dream I dream. Part of understanding anything is understanding what that knowledge is good for. Can I use it? Can I only use part of it? If I can't use it, will it at least keep from pursuing some other idiotic idea?

 

I play golf because it entertains me. I don't want to be distracted from that. I want to experience all of it. Most of the thoughts that wander through my head during a round are completely useless for golf. But, I enjoy them (unless they're thoughts of killing one of my playing partners who just got out his rangefinder for a long chip).

 

If you have to shut down the mechanical brain (which, I'm pretty sure is the same brain that does 'automatic stuff'), I think it may be because you haven't grasped the role played by the 'mechanical brain'. In car racing, there are mechanics and there are drivers. Their roles are different. Analyzing your golf swing (assessing it, planning and implementing a methodology, etc.) has its place. So, does swinging the club. If you have to keep yourself from thinking of mechanics, it's my suggestion that you don't understand the swinging the club part. The 'stupid phrase' you run through your head to turn off your 'mechanical brain' is also a distraction from your swinging of the club. 'Words in your head' (that we mistakenly confuse for thoughts and feelings) are not part of swinging the club. If you have words in your head, you are not fully there for the swing.

In a sentence your point is?

 

There is no such thing as 'over thinking'. It's just a nice way of saying 'wrong thinking'. Under thinking is not the cure. If you don't want to think, get a head injury. (Oops, that's four.)

[jbw749]

Just had a relevant conversation with my uncle at the cabin. He's a former marine sharp shooter. In the service from 74 to 78. His stories are great because the drill Instuctors of that erra just got back from Vietnam. But what he told me was as you exhale you can watch your barrel drop until your completely exhaled then you fire. He said no sharp shooter is not aware of their breathing.

[hybrid25]

Absolutely too much thinking, how high what shape and where it's going. Anything else is too much. Take a rd and when it's your turn keep talking to your partners, your mind won't be on mechanics and your body will do what it needs to . Yrs ago I worked with a top mental golf teacher and he said think of some stupid phrase, but the phrase should be enough to say during your whole swing ,I'e my kid turns 17 oct31,, it will shut down the mechanical brain and put you into automatic.

 

If I wanted to be a jerk, this is what I'd do - I'd tell you that, because of this thread, during your next round, you'll be thinking about your breathing more than you usually do. For the first couple of swings, your customary distractions will work, but with each green or fairway missed, putts that just lip out, it'll become harder and harder to distract yourself. You may find yourself saying your 'stupid phrase' louder in your head to drown out the distraction your ever present breathing has become. You'll be saying your 'stupid phrase' even when you're not swinging. You might even start muttering the phrase to your friends, their puzzled looks growing with each utterance. By the tenth hole, on your way from the tee box to the trees in which you just hit your ball, you'll be walking backwards across the fairway with your eyes closed, your fingers in your ears, and bellowing Mary Had A Little Lamb at the top of your lungs. But, I don't want to be a jerk.

 

Becoming aware of something, thinking about it, and even exploring it in depth does not then doom you to having to think about it at all times. Just because I am aware that 2+2=4 (and sometimes 5, if you listen to Nietzsche), and why that is, doesn't mean I'm going to be preoccupied with the notion every waking moment and every dream I dream. Part of understanding anything is understanding what that knowledge is good for. Can I use it? Can I only use part of it? If I can't use it, will it at least keep from pursuing some other idiotic idea?

 

I play golf because it entertains me. I don't want to be distracted from that. I want to experience all of it. Most of the thoughts that wander through my head during a round are completely useless for golf. But, I enjoy them (unless they're thoughts of killing one of my playing partners who just got out his rangefinder for a long chip).

 

If you have to shut down the mechanical brain (which, I'm pretty sure is the same brain that does 'automatic stuff'), I think it may be because you haven't grasped the role played by the 'mechanical brain'. In car racing, there are mechanics and there are drivers. Their roles are different. Analyzing your golf swing (assessing it, planning and implementing a methodology, etc.) has its place. So, does swinging the club. If you have to keep yourself from thinking of mechanics, it's my suggestion that you don't understand the swinging the club part. The 'stupid phrase' you run through your head to turn off your 'mechanical brain' is also a distraction from your swinging of the club. 'Words in your head' (that we mistakenly confuse for thoughts and feelings) are not part of swinging the club. If you have words in your head, you are not fully there for the swing.

In a sentence your point is?

 

There is no such thing as 'over thinking'.

 

 

I think there is, actually, you either know how to hit a golf ball or you don't. When you overthink you're inserting too many thoughts into your mind that interfere with the mechanics that have been taught to you over and over again by your practice sessions. Just think about the 1001 thoughts a golfer could have if he chose to think about them. Sometimes the worst thing to do is think too much and not use the skills you practice over and over instead.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Absolutely too much thinking, how high what shape and where it's going. Anything else is too much. Take a rd and when it's your turn keep talking to your partners, your mind won't be on mechanics and your body will do what it needs to . Yrs ago I worked with a top mental golf teacher and he said think of some stupid phrase, but the phrase should be enough to say during your whole swing ,I'e my kid turns 17 oct31,, it will shut down the mechanical brain and put you into automatic.

 

If I wanted to be a jerk, this is what I'd do - I'd tell you that, because of this thread, during your next round, you'll be thinking about your breathing more than you usually do. For the first couple of swings, your customary distractions will work, but with each green or fairway missed, putts that just lip out, it'll become harder and harder to distract yourself. You may find yourself saying your 'stupid phrase' louder in your head to drown out the distraction your ever present breathing has become. You'll be saying your 'stupid phrase' even when you're not swinging. You might even start muttering the phrase to your friends, their puzzled looks growing with each utterance. By the tenth hole, on your way from the tee box to the trees in which you just hit your ball, you'll be walking backwards across the fairway with your eyes closed, your fingers in your ears, and bellowing Mary Had A Little Lamb at the top of your lungs. But, I don't want to be a jerk.

 

Becoming aware of something, thinking about it, and even exploring it in depth does not then doom you to having to think about it at all times. Just because I am aware that 2+2=4 (and sometimes 5, if you listen to Nietzsche), and why that is, doesn't mean I'm going to be preoccupied with the notion every waking moment and every dream I dream. Part of understanding anything is understanding what that knowledge is good for. Can I use it? Can I only use part of it? If I can't use it, will it at least keep from pursuing some other idiotic idea?

 

I play golf because it entertains me. I don't want to be distracted from that. I want to experience all of it. Most of the thoughts that wander through my head during a round are completely useless for golf. But, I enjoy them (unless they're thoughts of killing one of my playing partners who just got out his rangefinder for a long chip).

 

If you have to shut down the mechanical brain (which, I'm pretty sure is the same brain that does 'automatic stuff'), I think it may be because you haven't grasped the role played by the 'mechanical brain'. In car racing, there are mechanics and there are drivers. Their roles are different. Analyzing your golf swing (assessing it, planning and implementing a methodology, etc.) has its place. So, does swinging the club. If you have to keep yourself from thinking of mechanics, it's my suggestion that you don't understand the swinging the club part. The 'stupid phrase' you run through your head to turn off your 'mechanical brain' is also a distraction from your swinging of the club. 'Words in your head' (that we mistakenly confuse for thoughts and feelings) are not part of swinging the club. If you have words in your head, you are not fully there for the swing.

In a sentence your point is?

 

There is no such thing as 'over thinking'.

 

 

I think there is, actually, you either know how to hit a golf ball or you don't. When you overthink you're inserting too many thoughts into your mind that interfere with the mechanics that have been taught to you over and over again by your practice sessions. Just think about the 1001 thoughts a golfer could have if he chose to think about them. Sometimes the worst thing to do is think too much and not use the skills you practice over and over instead.

 

We agree, but I prefer to call it 'wrong thinking'. Calling it 'over-thinking' encourages ****in' morons not to do any at all.

[Baltus Roll]

Inhaling may be naturally aligned with extension as exhaling might be toward flexion, which would capture Faldo's exhaling suggestion, and seems far more reasonable than Norwood's idea.

[hybrid25]

Petunia Sprinkle

(quote)

We agree, but I prefer to call it 'wrong thinking'. Calling it 'over-thinking' encourages ****in' morons not to do any at all.(quote)

 

 

Maybe the language shouldn't have been included in your last post here?

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Petunia Sprinkle

(quote)

We agree, but I prefer to call it 'wrong thinking'. Calling it 'over-thinking' encourages ****in' morons not to do any at all.(quote)

 

 

Maybe the language shouldn't have been included in your last post here?

 

What language? You mean the asterisks I typed?

[jbw749]

Petunia Sprinkle

(quote)

We agree, but I prefer to call it 'wrong thinking'. Calling it 'over-thinking' encourages ****in' morons not to do any at all.(quote)

 

 

Maybe the language shouldn't have been included in your last post here?

 

What language? You mean the asterisks I typed?

 

“It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.”

[tyorke1]

I was just trying to help and share what a famous golf physiologist shared with me, . My worry about conscious breathing is what happens if you time it wrong . If breathing helps your body than great if it's for a pre shot in a tourny than hope it works, i have heard about breathing and putting. Personally the less I think the better,

[Petunia Sprinkle]

I was just trying to help and share what a famous golf physiologist shared with me, . My worry about conscious breathing is what happens if you time it wrong . If breathing helps your body than great if it's for a pre shot in a tourny than hope it works, i have heard about breathing and putting. Personally the less I think the better,

 

I was, in no way, suggesting one 'take over' one's breathing. I was just curious how others breathed during their swings as what I do appears to differ from what others I've played with do (most do some kind of contrived thing I can only imagine they read in a golf magazine from the 90s, while others grunt, some sounding as if they just injured something). I certainly think it's very possible to observe how one breaths without any threat of interfering with it.

[hybrid25]

I sense you do too much thinking while addressing the ball.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

I sense you do too much thinking while addressing the ball.

 

No clue where you got that idea. On most tee shots, my only thought is "die, you little asterisking-asterisk!"

There's a time to think about things and there's a time to do them. I enjoy thinking about golf and I enjoy doing it (those are two different things). This matter of breathing occurred to me after a swing I made in the 90s. After I made the swing, I thought "hm! I wonder if I always do that." It seems I do.

Almost all my issues in golf come from either trying too many different swing theories (they fascinate me), or doing stupid crap, like trying to lob chips from the fringe, or trying to go over the trees on almost every dogleg. I guess I just like adventure.

 

 

[hybrid25]

I sense you do too much thinking while addressing the ball.

 

No clue where you got that idea. On most tee shots, my only thought is "die, you little asterisking-asterisk!"

There's a time to think about things and there's a time to do them. I enjoy thinking about golf and I enjoy doing it (those are two different things). This matter of breathing occurred to me after a swing I made in the 90s. After I made the swing, I thought "hm! I wonder if I always do that." It seems I do.

Almost all my issues in golf come from either trying too many different swing theories (they fascinate me), or doing stupid crap, like trying to lob chips from the fringe, or trying to go over the trees on almost every dogleg. I guess I just like adventure.

try just playing golf.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

I sense you do too much thinking while addressing the ball.

 

No clue where you got that idea. On most tee shots, my only thought is "die, you little asterisking-asterisk!"

There's a time to think about things and there's a time to do them. I enjoy thinking about golf and I enjoy doing it (those are two different things). This matter of breathing occurred to me after a swing I made in the 90s. After I made the swing, I thought "hm! I wonder if I always do that." It seems I do.

Almost all my issues in golf come from either trying too many different swing theories (they fascinate me), or doing stupid crap, like trying to lob chips from the fringe, or trying to go over the trees on almost every dogleg. I guess I just like adventure.

try just playing golf.

 

I prefer screwin' around.

[hybrid25]

I sense you do too much thinking while addressing the ball.

 

No clue where you got that idea. On most tee shots, my only thought is "die, you little asterisking-asterisk!"

There's a time to think about things and there's a time to do them. I enjoy thinking about golf and I enjoy doing it (those are two different things). This matter of breathing occurred to me after a swing I made in the 90s. After I made the swing, I thought "hm! I wonder if I always do that." It seems I do.

Almost all my issues in golf come from either trying too many different swing theories (they fascinate me), or doing stupid crap, like trying to lob chips from the fringe, or trying to go over the trees on almost every dogleg. I guess I just like adventure.

try just playing golf.

 

I prefer screwin' around.

I can see that.

[Forged4ever]

Breathing and the control of one’s breath is THE single most critical factor in managing one’s swing and game under pressure.

 

Just as with the physical game and the mental game, one should have a breathing exercise routine that can be, like the mental game excersises and visualizations, can be practiced anywhere any time that ya have 5-10 minutes to your self, however it has to be practiced religiously to truly function when, as Sam & Pete used to say, you’re “under the gun,” lol.

 

The Best to ya Bro?

 

Cheers?

RP

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Inhaling may be naturally aligned with extension as exhaling might be toward flexion, which would capture Faldo's exhaling suggestion, and seems far more reasonable than Norwood's idea.

 

I think breathing affecting extension and flexion is more likely in people who breath too high. So called 'abdominal breathing' is less likely to do so as room for the expansion of the lungs is made my a lowering of the diaphragm rather than so much of an expansion of the rib cage.

[Hawkeye77]

Martial arts, shooting, etc. all rely on controlling the breath as part of their practice. A quote from Jack Nicklaus on the matter, regarding putting - "I hold my breath during and just prior to making the [putting] stroke. By preventing the diaphragm from moving this helps me to keep my body and head perfectly still." Have you all, seriously, never considered the matter? (Yikes!)

 

Of course not, just as I never think how I'm breathing when throwing a ball or swinging a bat or back in the day shooting a jump shot, or any other shot, on and on.

 

Settling down a little if it's part of a PSR or just to calm oneself is different than unnecessary worry while swinging a club.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Martial arts, shooting, etc. all rely on controlling the breath as part of their practice. A quote from Jack Nicklaus on the matter, regarding putting - "I hold my breath during and just prior to making the [putting] stroke. By preventing the diaphragm from moving this helps me to keep my body and head perfectly still." Have you all, seriously, never considered the matter? (Yikes!)

 

Of course not, just as I never think how I'm breathing when throwing a ball or swinging a bat or back in the day shooting a jump shot, or any other shot, on and on.

 

Settling down a little if it's part of a PSR or just to calm oneself is different than unnecessary worry while swinging a club.

 

Worry?!? In case you missed the other 300 times I said it, this is a curiosity, not a concern. The question "hey, how do you breath when you swing?" is a cause for mild fascination, not a great gnashin' o' teeth. Have you never entertained a curiosity as a pleasant thing to ponder?

[FiveG’s]

I’m exhaling through the backswing & downswing

[Petunia Sprinkle]

I’m exhaling through the backswing & downswing

 

Is that something you always did, or was it something you worked on?

[dlam]

At the tee box I like to inhale through my nose and exhale through my mouth as a pre swing exercise

On the green sometimes better to control the breathing like Jack N does by holding the breath through the mouth on certain putts just to make those putts

I do notice sometimes like to exhale through my nose on and around the greens

[PutterKilledTheDream]

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