JB Holmes Pace of play (merged)

[grm24]

Jb would have won if he wasn't paired up with ole speedy pants Paul Casey

JB and Casey weren't paired in the final round. Casey was paired with Russell Henley. Holmes was paired with Anirbarn Lahiri in the penultimate group. Great hot take though. /S

[OldTomMorris]

A permanent shot clock would be the only solution but they'd be enough players that would veto that. There is no genuine desire to eradicate slow play from the game by the PGA Tour, they are booming financially so nothing is wrong as far as they are concerned. If sponsors or fans stayed away then that position might change.

 

With good TV production slow play shouldn't be noticeable as a TV spectator but I understand the frustration, I rarely find listening in or watching a player deliberate over a shot interesting.

 

To me JB's long deliberation over a shot looks like a forced effort to not hit a shot too quickly, the chip shot on the last he took forever to hit looked like he was pacing about for the sake of it. It didn't look like there was too much to analyse, it looked like a regulation shot for a tour pro.

[ClintDagger]

PGA tour needs to try out the "shot clock" format the euros just used.

Seems like you could at least do something like that for groups that are out of position. As soon as a group gets out of position, drive that thing out there and follow them around until they get back in position. I honestly think that would shame most of these guys into picking up the pace as no one wants the embarrassment of that giant clock showing up on them.

[nichho]

 

With good TV production slow play shouldn't be noticeable as a TV spectator but I understand the frustration, I rarely find listening in or watching a player deliberate over a shot interesting.

 

 

I agree with this. Generally we only become aware of the problem at the end of the round as the TV company can no longer hide the gap between groups (and probably fill it with more commercials) but it still doesn't really affect us as viewers.

 

My problem is I start to empathise with the golfers who are having to wait on every shot, because I have been there. I get down on JB Holmes, Ben Crane etc because I know the feeling of not being able to get on with it and I know, rightly or wrongly, how it has a negative impact on my game.

 

So it's not what I'm seeing it is what I am feeling......frustration.

[buckeyefl]

I like JB even more if he iced Casey who has shown a propensity to fold in the final 18.

 

Why?

[buckeyefl]

Un-Popular Opinion Alert: I don't particularly care how long JB takes. Patience is a virtue.

 

It's shortsighted to blame JB for Casey's implosion. His errors were unforced and he just couldn't deliver. It is what it is.

 

I don't get it either. Slow play isn't even noticeable on tv until the last 2-3 groups are on the course on the last 2-3 holes. The players don't care either, as the PGA Tour and the players is one and the same and they would enforce pace of play if the players wanted it to be enforced.

 

Not true at all and don't have a clue where you got any of that information from since it's pretty much false.

[mjen43]

Un-Popular Opinion Alert: I don't particularly care how long JB takes. Patience is a virtue.

 

It's shortsighted to blame JB for Casey's implosion. His errors were unforced and he just couldn't deliver. It is what it is.

 

I don't get it either. Slow play isn't even noticeable on tv until the last 2-3 groups are on the course on the last 2-3 holes. The players don't care either, as the PGA Tour and the players is one and the same and they would enforce pace of play if the players wanted it to be enforced.

 

Not true at all and don't have a clue where you got any of that information from since it's pretty much false.

 

Nope. Not wrong.

 

"Player directors almost exclusively decide competition-related matters"

 

https://www.golfdige...080201rosaforte

 

" The PGA TOUR announced today that Jordan Spieth has been elected Chairman of the Player Advisory Council"

 

https://www.pgatour....irman-2018.html

 

Spieth is actually a future player director (2019-2021) and current chairman of the player advisory council. You want slow play penalties enforced go demand it on his instagram. I'm sure it's a major issue he is concerned with :cheesy:

[soap1984]

That is all well and good, but we all know this isn't true; players will not be responsible for driving rules forward that assess greater penalties on their peers. At the end of the day, the tour will do something as it is really just 4-5 guys that cause major problems and make the game (which is already struggling for viewers) even harder to watch.

[PoolPond]

Un-Popular Opinion Alert: I don't particularly care how long JB takes. Patience is a virtue.

 

It's shortsighted to blame JB for Casey's implosion. His errors were unforced and he just couldn't deliver. It is what it is.

 

That may be, but there is no disputing that JB is slow.

 

I dont know what happened to this guy.he used to play super quick. Did some sports psychologist get to him?

 

Good question. Maybe someone told him he needed to be more "deliberate".

 

He was never slow,quite the opposite really. thats the shocking part

 

Never slow? JB Holmes? He's actually has been one of the top 2-5 slowest players since his first day on tour. Has always been slow.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

I love how someone referenced JB as a "human rain delay" :)

[JonnyKrasnodar]

There needs to be more vocal criticism from the media also. Aaron Rai on the European Tour is even worse than JB Holmes for the inordinate amount of time he takes to do everything on the golf course. Yet the commentary team praised him for his "precision" which makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

2-3 minutes per shot maximum, anyone taking longer gets a shot penalty. End of story. The best players in the world shouldn't need an age to hit a shot the same way they shouldn't be allowed lift, clean, place when the fairways aren't pristine.

[GoIrish17]

I love how someone referenced JB as a "human rain delay" :)

 

He’d have to be 2.0 then, because Mike Hargrove is the original “human rain delay”.

[Pleasedwith3putts]

Has Holmes putted out on 18 yet :taunt:

[titleist_chris]

Very frustruating since these guys are already amazing, plus have full-time caddies.

[duffer987]

How many times does JB have to mess up the 18th hole after all the humming and hawing, to realise maybe that's not the way to go about it.

Obviously he doesn't give a toss about any impact he has on other golfers, but maybe the direct impact on himself would register.

[f5joe]

I'm tiring of Holmes. Like him ....... but he's dragging down the competition.

[Middler]

It's ridiculous and "in a recent magazine survey of PGA Tour players, 84 percent said they believe slow play is a problem." It's not fair for a minority to make all the others wait repeatedly.

 

But as long as there are no consequences by tour officials, discussing it is a waste of time. Just like crowd ejections, if the folks in charge aren't going to act, why bother debating?

 

https://www.pga.com/...y-problem-or-it

[new2g0lf]

So is pace of play a PGA Tour issue or should the USGA step in and address it for everyone?

[Chopshop23]

I must say JB has become one of my least favorite please to watch. His play is ridiculously slow. CBS tried to do there best to not show him until he was certainly close to pull the trigger. Heck, even the guys in the booth we talking about knowing who is playing in front of you.

[sui generis]

So is pace of play a PGA Tour issue or should the USGA step in and address it for everyone?

 

The PGA Tour is a sports-themed TV reality show. It's product is what the sponsors want it to be.

 

The ruling bodies, with the Rules Moderinization project set to commence on January 1, 2019, are active in the pace-of-play department.

[new2g0lf]

So is pace of play a PGA Tour issue or should the USGA step in and address it for everyone?

 

The PGA Tour is a sports-themed TV reality show. It's product is what the sponsors want it to be.

 

The ruling bodies, with the Rules Moderinization project set to commence on January 1, 2019, are active in the pace-of-play department.

I'd rather see the PGA Tour follow the lead taken by the European and LPGA Tours and take action now rather than wait for the USGA (who will probably mess it up anyway).

[irvnasty]

Seems far easier for the Tour to deal with it than the USGA. When I'm playing, usually the only people observing are competitors or playing partners. None of them are really an impartial observer of play pace, and I would neither want the obligation to place time pressure on a competitor nor to have an opponent place time pressure on me (although I play pretty briskly, so I think that would be uncommon).

 

The Tour, on the other hand, has tons of impartial observers and marshals and broadcast cameras that keep time. If they cared to, they could institute a defined and consistent set of pace expectations tomorrow.

[bscinstnct]

Well, guess Im the last

 

Go JB!

 

Fan,

 

Guy can put a hurt on da ball though

 

 

[Carl Spackler3]

They did just take 6 hours to play. That's a problem.

 

JB needs someone to follow his group with a shot clock and an air horn.

lol I just put my buddy on a 45 second shot clock today, minus the air horn, mores the pity. Most fun I ve had all year

[xxio]

Well, guess Im the last

 

Go JB!

 

Fan,

 

Guy can put a hurt on da ball though

 

 

 

JB Holmes used to play a driver that had "speed" on it?

[Sean2]

A permanent shot clock would be the only solution but they'd be enough players that would veto that. There is no genuine desire to eradicate slow play from the game by the PGA Tour, they are booming financially so nothing is wrong as far as they are concerned. If sponsors or fans stayed away then that position might change.

 

With good TV production slow play shouldn't be noticeable as a TV spectator but I understand the frustration, I rarely find listening in or watching a player deliberate over a shot interesting.

 

To me JB's long deliberation over a shot looks like a forced effort to not hit a shot too quickly, the chip shot on the last he took forever to hit looked like he was pacing about for the sake of it. It didn't look like there was too much to analyse, it looked like a regulation shot for a tour pro.

 

There was a lot of positive feedback from European Tour players after the "shot clock" tournament. More than a few opined that they enjoyed the 4 hour rounds.

[sefus12]

Well, guess Im the last

 

Go JB!

 

Fan,

 

Guy can put a hurt on da ball though

 

 

 

I’m still holding out as well.

[braincramp52]

All you southern boys need to cut JB some slack! He's a Kentucky boy right? Everybody knows that nobody is in a hurry down south! :)

[MilkyButterCuts]

I think they should just kick him off tour ;).. or send him to the European... It is a repetitive problem from JB "the ice man" Holmes. Notice this was the first time they showed him since the Farmers? Blatant disregard for people actually in the hunt, doesn't care about his peers. No one wants to watch that, no one wants to play with him.

[Chopshop23]

Well, guess Im the last

 

Go JB!

 

Fan,

 

Guy can put a hurt on da ball though

 

 

 

 

I don’t think that as helped Cobra sell any drivers !