Hate Recoil 110, how similar is Steelfiber 110?

[hardcaliber]

Title says it all. Thinking about trying out some Steelfibers. Gonna go with 110 in a regular, as I heard they are pretty stiff. Not trying to accomplish anything in particular besides waste some money and try something new. Plus, during the 4-5 days the clubs are in the mail i get to day dream that new sticks will magically make me good at golf.

 

In the past i have tried a recoil 110 and really didn't care for it, so hopefully the steelfiber isn't very similar. My current shaft is Project X LZ 5.5, which works well for me. I thought it was the greatest shaft ever for a while. Now I'm in a funk and of course blaming equipment since nothing feels good or right at the moment. Still think its a pretty good shaft for me. Another shaft that worked well for me in the past was NS PRO 1150, hard stepped regular. Good performance but felt a little active, particularly with scoring irons and chips.

 

Would love to get some comparisons with any of these shafts so I can get a point of reference, thanks!

[Mob]

I have both shafts and they are completely different. The Steelfibers have a tighter feel, alittle less lively, and a tighter dispersion.

[Stuart_G]

Depends why you didn't care for the recoils and which flex did you try? I assume the stiff (F4's). Based on your other shaft 'likes' the F4 (stiff) would likely be too stiff for you. And unfortunately, UST doesn't make the 110's in reg flex (F3), you'd have to go down to the recoil 95's for that.

 

The steelfibers are a bit stiffer then the recoils in the same flex and balance much more toward the butt end so (after SW adjustment) actually play more like 115 gm shafts. The regulars may be better then the F4 recoils but they still will be stiffer then the shafts you like. So sorry to say there is a chance that they also may not be a good fit.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, not a lot of graphite choices for both soft and heavy (> 105 gm). It's rare for someone to want that combination (which is why UST doesn't make the 110's in reg flex). Just not the market for it. Not sure but I think it's the same for the GD Tour AD irons 110 irons shaft. Not sure if the Matrix Program 130's were made in regular (no they aren't really 130 gm - more like 120).

 

Best I can think of of the top of my head might be the Aldila VS-Proto 100's iron shafts in Reg flex. And even those will be a bit stiffer then the nippons you like.

[hardcaliber]

Depends why you didn't care for the recoils and which flex did you try? I assume the stiff (F4's). Based on your other shaft 'likes' the F4 (stiff) would likely be too stiff for you. And unfortunately, UST doesn't make the 110's in reg flex (F3), you'd have to go down to the recoil 95's for that.

 

The steelfibers are a bit stiffer then the recoils in the same flex and balance much more toward the butt end so (after SW adjustment) actually play more like 115 gm shafts. The regulars may be better then the F4 recoils but they still will be stiffer then the shafts you like. So sorry to say there is a chance that they also may not be a good fit.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, not a lot of graphite choices for both soft and heavy (> 105 gm). It's rare for someone to want that combination (which is why UST doesn't make the 110's in reg flex). Just not the market for it. Not sure but I think it's the same for the GD Tour AD irons 110 irons shaft. Not sure if the Matrix Program 130's were made in regular (no they aren't really 130 gm - more like 120).

 

Best I can think of of the top of my head might be the Aldila VS-Proto 100's iron shafts in Reg flex. And even those will be a bit stiffer then the nippons you like.

 

Can't thank you enough for such a detailed response!

 

I tried the recoil 110 in a f4 soft stepped. Possibly it was too stiff still. It really lacked feel in a way I can't describe. Not sure how much was stiffness vs profile vs graphite just having a different feel. The weight should have been close to my comfort zone, 110-115 range.

 

I actually played the best golf of my life for a few weeks in the fall with my project x lz 5.5, so maybe I'll just stick with those. There is no reason I have to play graphite, just always interested to try something cool.

 

Thanks again!

[Stuart_G]

Can't thank you enough for such a detailed response!

 

I tried the recoil 110 in a f4 soft stepped. Possibly it was too stiff still. It really lacked feel in a way I can't describe. Not sure how much was stiffness vs profile vs graphite just having a different feel. The weight should have been close to my comfort zone, 110-115 range.

 

I actually played the best golf of my life for a few weeks in the fall with my project x lz 5.5, so maybe I'll just stick with those. There is no reason I have to play graphite, just always interested to try something cool.

 

Thanks again!

 

Most likely it was the stiffness. Graphite really only causes the shaft to feel different right at impact. More muted and less feedback on off-center hits. How it feels during the swing is all about the stiffness profile.

 

And soft stepping x1 really is only a very subtle change so I wouldn't expect that to make much of a difference.

 

Too bad, the PX LZ graphite don't come in a wider range of weights. I like the LZ shafts as well (although the 6.0's) but I need the weight up around 100 gm.

[RainShadow]

Are you playing the LZs in steel or Graphite?

I’m thinking of going with them in my next set of irons, but I’ve only been able to hit them indoors ( Steel)

[hardcaliber]

Are you playing the LZs in steel or Graphite?

I’m thinking of going with them in my next set of irons, but I’ve only been able to hit them indoors ( Steel)

 

Sorry, I probably should have specified this originally. I've been playing the project x lz 5.5 in steel and like them quite a bit. I also currently play the project x lz 5.5 graphite wood shaft in my driver and really like that as well. Never tried the project x lz graphite iron shafts but I would like too.

 

Based on the expert advice from Stuart G., I'm leaning towards staying away from the Steelfiber and experimenting with something else instead.

[raggal62]

Accra iSeries Tour graphite iron shafts are available in a 110 gram option. Might be an option worth looking at. Versatile shafts when it comes to dialing in desired flex within their respective weight categories.

[chisag]

I have both shafts and they are completely different. The Steelfibers have a tighter feel, alittle less lively, and a tighter dispersion.

 

... Shafts are just so personal and swing dependent. I tried the Steelfiber 95's after playing VS Proto 100's and they were just too stout feeling and my dispersion was poor. More a product of me swinging harder to get the feel of the shaft releasing that I am used to as opposed to a shaft property. The Recoils on the other hand are the most accurate shafts I have played. I have the F4 95's in my irons and F4 110's in my wedges as well as a set of Prototype 95's in hot pink in the F3 flex that seems closer to the F4 than the retail version. Ironically the performance for me, as far as distance and trajectory, was identical for both shafts but I just felt I had to go after the Steelfibers harder than I like. The Steelfibers and Recoils are both great shafts and I have yet to hear someone say they love them both, usually one is a preference while the other seems to be a poor fit from a feel perspective.

[dmeeksDC]

Steelfibers play stiffer than Recoils. I fit stiff in Steelfiber 95 (driver swing 105-106) but drop to regulars in Steelfiber 110. They dont swingweight the same due to more weight in butt of the SF but it did not affect me.

 

I recommend a test club. I had a 110 SF reg put in an i200 head to test. Still have it. Liked it. Ultimately went with C Taper Lite X flex soft-stepped once. Also like PX Rifle 5.5 or 6.0. Did not care for PX LZ lineup. I am too much of a “hitter” for that shaft, always working on my tempo but need a shaft that stays with me if I am too quick. Am interested in Nippon 125 (guys who switched from DG to play it seem to love it) or KBS Tour 105 X stiff (that is the 115g version, stiff is 110g.)

 

To me Steelfibers play tighter than Recoils and I really like them. Also built a test club with Recoil 110 F4 but I still launched it too high, much more penetrating flight with the SF, in which the 110 Reg played stiffer than the Recoil 110 F4. Decided not to switch to graphite iron shafts yet. Was getting wrist soreness, but it was from hitting off mats, not the shaft. Recoils are very high quality, but when I do switch, will go with Steelfibers. I like a shaft that feels “soiid” more than lively.

[hardcaliber]

Steelfibers play stiffer than Recoils. I fit stiff in Steelfiber 95 (driver swing 105-106) but drop to regulars in Steelfiber 110. They dont swingweight the same due to more weight in butt of the SF but it did not affect me.

 

I recommend a test club. I had a 110 SF reg put in an i200 head to test. Still have it. Liked it. Ultimately went with C Taper Lite X flex soft-stepped once. Also like PX Rifle 5.5 or 6.0. Did not care for PX LZ lineup. I am too much of a “hitter” for that shaft, always working on my tempo but need a shaft that stays with me if I am too quick. Am interested in Nippon 125 (guys who switched from DG to play it seem to love it) or KBS Tour 105 X stiff (that is the 115g version, stiff is 110g.)

 

To me Steelfibers play tighter than Recoils and I really like them. Also built a test club with Recoil 110 F4 but I still launched it too high, much more penetrating flight with the SF, in which the 110 Reg played stiffer than the Recoil 110 F4. Decided not to switch to graphite iron shafts yet. Was getting wrist soreness, but it was from hitting off mats, not the shaft. Recoils are very high quality, but when I do switch, will go with Steelfibers. I like a shaft that feels “soiid” more than lively.

 

Thanks for your thoughts. It's interesting that you say that steelfiber 110 in regular plays stiffer than recoil 110 in f4. That's definitely a red flag for me.

 

Regarding the modus 125, I tried that briefly in a stiff and thought it was a great shaft. I think it would be great at your swing speed. It was a touch too much shaft for me in that I was losing some distance but the feel and consistency were really good.

[NRJyzr]

I have both shafts and they are completely different. The Steelfibers have a tighter feel, alittle less lively, and a tighter dispersion.

 

... Shafts are just so personal and swing dependent. I tried the Steelfiber 95's after playing VS Proto 100's and they were just too stout feeling and my dispersion was poor. More a product of me swinging harder to get the feel of the shaft releasing that I am used to as opposed to a shaft property. The Recoils on the other hand are the most accurate shafts I have played. I have the F4 95's in my irons and F4 110's in my wedges as well as a set of Prototype 95's in hot pink in the F3 flex that seems closer to the F4 than the retail version. Ironically the performance for me, as far as distance and trajectory, was identical for both shafts but I just felt I had to go after the Steelfibers harder than I like. The Steelfibers and Recoils are both great shafts and I have yet to hear someone say they love them both, usually one is a preference while the other seems to be a poor fit from a feel perspective.

 

 

Only chiming in to provide contrast....

 

I tried the retail version of the Recoil 125 in a single demo iron. I found it was decent in terms of flex, holding up to my more obnoxious swings, but I also found the trajectory was too high for my taste. I do tend to go after it a bit, especially at the time I was trying the Recoil, and am a moderately high trajectory player, so my results compared to those of our esteemed member from Chicago seem to fall into line.

 

I've never gotten around to trying SteelFiber, not being sure where to go with it in both weight and flex terms.

 

Last year, I wound up trying something largely off the radar of some folks, the NV 105. Per several folks, chisag included, the NV105 iron shaft is discontinued. However, I found it at Hireko Golf, was able to order an individual shaft for a demo, and a full set that I installed in a set of Golden Rams. They seemed to hold up fairly well to my swing, coming from DGS, other than the adjustment I had for the weight.

 

When you go from DGS and especially Super Peening Blue to a 105g iron shaft.... yeah. Prepare for adjustment time. LOL

 

I haven't been on a monitor, but they even seem to have provided some spin help. I go from having hints of spin issues to more than that, and had no trouble with these into the wind. I think they actually improved my wind performance.

 

They're still listed on Hireko, I don't know the story behind why they are there and nowhere else.

 

A question for Stuart G and/or anyone else with the Wishon shaft profile software: has the NV105 been added to the database? Or has anyone done a profile themselves at any point?

 

Speaking of Wishon shaft profiles and SteelFibers.... I got bored earlier and started compiling the various posts on WRX I could find that had shaft profile data. FWIW, looks like i95 S (not sure if 355 or 370) is pretty close to DGS300 tapered (except for being stiffer in the 16 in zone, interesting). i110 S is similar, but stiffer than DGS in the upper part of the tip. The i125 is kind of cute (LOL), softer than DGS at the butt end, quickly surging past it in the bottom half of the shaft. It's close to the Modus 120 X in the first two zones, but gets considerably stiffer rather quickly.

 

Sorry, I guess I got carried away there.....

[jokerusn]

I'll echo the comments that SF110 plays stiff. I've played the Recoil 110, SF i110 and SF i95 all in X flex. The Recoil and i95 played similarly in flex to me although the i95 launched a little lower. The i110 is a different animal. It plays much more stable and requires a more aggressive swing. I had the Recoil 110 in an Apex Ut 21° and SF 110 in an Apex UT 24°. Both had a similar shot height but the SF was a flatter flight.

[chisag]

I tried the retail version of the Recoil 125 in a single demo iron. I found it was decent in terms of flex, holding up to my more obnoxious swings, but I also found the trajectory was too high for my taste. I do tend to go after it a bit, especially at the time I was trying the Recoil, and am a moderately high trajectory player, so my results compared to those of our esteemed member from Chicago seem to fall into line.

 

I've never gotten around to trying SteelFiber, not being sure where to go with it in both weight and flex terms.

 

Last year, I wound up trying something largely off the radar of some folks, the NV 105. Per several folks, chisag included, the NV105 iron shaft is discontinued. However, I found it at Hireko Golf, was able to order an individual shaft for a demo, and a full set that I installed in a set of Golden Rams. They seemed to hold up fairly well to my swing, coming from DGS, other than the adjustment I had for the weight.

 

When you go from DGS and especially Super Peening Blue to a 105g iron shaft.... yeah. Prepare for adjustment time. LOL

 

I haven't been on a monitor, but they even seem to have provided some spin help. I go from having hints of spin issues to more than that, and had no trouble with these into the wind. I think they actually improved my wind performance.

 

They're still listed on Hireko, I don't know the story behind why they are there and nowhere else.

 

A question for Stuart G and/or anyone else with the Wishon shaft profile software: has the NV105 been added to the database? Or has anyone done a profile themselves at any point?

 

 

... The NV130/105's were designed to replicate Dynamic Gold flight and spin so your experience makes perfect sense. I have not heard this from Aldila or UST, but I think the VS Proto 100's, Recoil 95/110s are designed to replicate the KBS Tour shafts which were very popular at the time these were released. For me, the Steelfiber 95's and Recoil 110's had virtually identical trajectory, spin and distance, although the Steelfiber 95s felt much stouter. That is the main reason I sold mine. I have not hit the SF 110/125's.

[Golfrnut]

SF and KBS are nowhere close to one another. SF are very close to DG profile.

 

Recoils are not close to SF either.

[Minarets]

No one every speaks about the Fujikura Pro iron series. Anyone try them? Been out since 2014 and i rarely see reviews.

[Big Ben]

Title says it all. Thinking about trying out some Steelfibers. Gonna go with 110 in a regular, as I heard they are pretty stiff. Not trying to accomplish anything in particular besides waste some money and try something new. Plus, during the 4-5 days the clubs are in the mail i get to day dream that new sticks will magically make me good at golf.

 

In the past i have tried a recoil 110 and really didn't care for it, so hopefully the steelfiber isn't very similar. My current shaft is Project X LZ 5.5, which works well for me. I thought it was the greatest shaft ever for a while. Now I'm in a funk and of course blaming equipment since nothing feels good or right at the moment. Still think its a pretty good shaft for me. Another shaft that worked well for me in the past was NS PRO 1150, hard stepped regular. Good performance but felt a little active, particularly with scoring irons and chips.

 

Would love to get some comparisons with any of these shafts so I can get a point of reference, thanks!

I to did not care for the Recoils. I also like the LZ's as well but my all time favorite shafts are the Steelfibers. BB

[Stuart_G]

A question for Stuart G and/or anyone else with the Wishon shaft profile software: has the NV105 been added to the database? Or has anyone done a profile themselves at any point?

 

I actually dont' have the software, I've just collected some of the data that others have posted and keep it in a spread sheet. I don't have the NV iron shaft data but I suspect that the software does since it does have the VS-proto iron shaft data.

 

If it is in the db, I'd like to see it to - so anyone can feel free to post it :-)

[NRJyzr]

I tried the retail version of the Recoil 125 in a single demo iron. I found it was decent in terms of flex, holding up to my more obnoxious swings, but I also found the trajectory was too high for my taste. I do tend to go after it a bit, especially at the time I was trying the Recoil, and am a moderately high trajectory player, so my results compared to those of our esteemed member from Chicago seem to fall into line.

 

I've never gotten around to trying SteelFiber, not being sure where to go with it in both weight and flex terms.

 

Last year, I wound up trying something largely off the radar of some folks, the NV 105. Per several folks, chisag included, the NV105 iron shaft is discontinued. However, I found it at Hireko Golf, was able to order an individual shaft for a demo, and a full set that I installed in a set of Golden Rams. They seemed to hold up fairly well to my swing, coming from DGS, other than the adjustment I had for the weight.

 

When you go from DGS and especially Super Peening Blue to a 105g iron shaft.... yeah. Prepare for adjustment time. LOL

 

I haven't been on a monitor, but they even seem to have provided some spin help. I go from having hints of spin issues to more than that, and had no trouble with these into the wind. I think they actually improved my wind performance.

 

They're still listed on Hireko, I don't know the story behind why they are there and nowhere else.

 

A question for Stuart G and/or anyone else with the Wishon shaft profile software: has the NV105 been added to the database? Or has anyone done a profile themselves at any point?

 

 

... The NV130/105's were designed to replicate Dynamic Gold flight and spin so your experience makes perfect sense. I have not heard this from Aldila or UST, but I think the VS Proto 100's, Recoil 95/110s are designed to replicate the KBS Tour shafts which were very popular at the time these were released. For me, the Steelfiber 95's and Recoil 110's had virtually identical trajectory, spin and distance, although the Steelfiber 95s felt much stouter. That is the main reason I sold mine. I have not hit the SF 110/125's.

 

Helps explain how the Recoils wouldn't be so wonderful for yours truly. I played KBS Tours in a set of Rams for a year or two, the signs of possible too much spin finally wore me down and I switched them out.

 

NV 130's sound very interesting. :)

[chisag]

I tried the retail version of the Recoil 125 in a single demo iron. I found it was decent in terms of flex, holding up to my more obnoxious swings, but I also found the trajectory was too high for my taste. I do tend to go after it a bit, especially at the time I was trying the Recoil, and am a moderately high trajectory player, so my results compared to those of our esteemed member from Chicago seem to fall into line.

 

I've never gotten around to trying SteelFiber, not being sure where to go with it in both weight and flex terms.

 

Last year, I wound up trying something largely off the radar of some folks, the NV 105. Per several folks, chisag included, the NV105 iron shaft is discontinued. However, I found it at Hireko Golf, was able to order an individual shaft for a demo, and a full set that I installed in a set of Golden Rams. They seemed to hold up fairly well to my swing, coming from DGS, other than the adjustment I had for the weight.

 

When you go from DGS and especially Super Peening Blue to a 105g iron shaft.... yeah. Prepare for adjustment time. LOL

 

I haven't been on a monitor, but they even seem to have provided some spin help. I go from having hints of spin issues to more than that, and had no trouble with these into the wind. I think they actually improved my wind performance.

 

They're still listed on Hireko, I don't know the story behind why they are there and nowhere else.

 

A question for Stuart G and/or anyone else with the Wishon shaft profile software: has the NV105 been added to the database? Or has anyone done a profile themselves at any point?

 

 

... The NV130/105's were designed to replicate Dynamic Gold flight and spin so your experience makes perfect sense. I have not heard this from Aldila or UST, but I think the VS Proto 100's, Recoil 95/110s are designed to replicate the KBS Tour shafts which were very popular at the time these were released. For me, the Steelfiber 95's and Recoil 110's had virtually identical trajectory, spin and distance, although the Steelfiber 95s felt much stouter. That is the main reason I sold mine. I have not hit the SF 110/125's.

 

Helps explain how the Recoils wouldn't be so wonderful for yours truly. I played KBS Tours in a set of Rams for a year or two, the signs of possible too much spin finally wore me down and I switched them out.

 

NV 130's sound very interesting. :)

 

 

... VJ Singh played the NV 130 Tour's for awhile. They are very stout (but not boardy) and I was delighted when Aldila released the 105 Pro's. You would probably love them, if you could ever find any.

[Stuart_G]

... VJ Singh played the NV 130 Tour's for awhile. They are very stout (but not boardy) and I was delighted when Aldila released the 105 Pro's. You would probably love them, if you could ever find any.

 

Yes, that's a very big IF. From what I can tell, they are extremely rare.

 

Now, the 105's on the other hand, are fairly easy to find.

[chisag]

Yes, that's a very big IF. From what I can tell, they are extremely rare.

 

Now, the 105's on the other hand, are fairly easy to find.

 

... Yea, they were pretty rare even when I played them. I still have a set but I think the 7 iron shaft is missing and I tipped the wedge shaft and put them in one of my sons wedges.

[NRJyzr]

I did a quick fleabay search for the 130, as you'd expect, nada.

 

Did anyone ever post a profile for the RIP Tours?

[NRJyzr]

Since I'd referenced the SteelFiber profiles, I thought I'd put my money whereis my mouth, and share what I've dug up. I've included a few extras for fun. No idea if the i110 and i95 are the tapered or parallel models. Hope this pastes decently (it didn't, so I made an image file)

 

The SPB 11 in reading seems a bit out of whack to me, having played that shaft in X....

 

 

[Stuart_G]

Did anyone ever post a profile for the RIP Tours?

 

In a different thread.

 

Moderate to soft butt, then quickly transitions to an extremely stiff mid-section and tip.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c.../#entry16782778

[NRJyzr]

Did anyone ever post a profile for the RIP Tours?

 

In a different thread.

 

Moderate to soft butt, then quickly transitions to an extremely stiff mid-section and tip.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c.../#entry16782778

 

Awesome! Thanks dude.

 

If I could, I'd give you more than one like for that. LOL. (with apologies for adding that hint of fanboi)

 

Looks like the 115 takes a page from the Modus 120, except a "steroidized" version of the concept. Stiffens a lot fairly quickly.

 

Intriguing. And yet another shaft that's largely gone. Sometimes my timing sucks. LOL

[Stuart_G]

Looks like the 115 takes a page from the Modus 120, except a "steroidized" version of the concept. Stiffens a lot fairly quickly.

 

That's not how I see the modus 120. It's generally soft through the butt and mid-section and only really stiffens up (relative to butt and mid) at the very tip. Even the 16" numbers are pretty soft to flex. The rips are soft at the 36" point, some what normal at the 31" point, and sky-rockets from there.

 

But then, since there is no real standard, all these perspectives are purley subjective, so there is no real 'right' or 'wrong'.

[Minarets]

But still no one has used the Fujikura Pro series?

[Stuart_G]

But still no one has used the Fujikura Pro series?

 

There are a few old threads on them if you do a search. The fact that they are a bit more expensive might make them not as popular as the recoils and steelfibers - although at least they aren't nearly as bad as the Fuji MCI iron shafts.

[Dpavs]

I have not tried them but this thread makes me wonder what the Tour AD-115's and 105's would be like.