Players with the best Hand / Eye coordination

[straightshot7]

Sorry to be a jerk but hand eye coordination is not a big factor in golf.

 

The ball doesn't move.

 

There are blind people who, with assistance lining up, strike the ball very well. What does that tell you?

 

I believe George Knudson once shot -1 with his eyes closed on every shot.

 

 

lol... yea.... you obviously have no idea how Phil or Seve hit some of the shots they hit.. your theory only holds water on perfectly flat ground with zero wind and to a level target.... past that no dice..

 

A person is never hitting a moving target either...the brain makes a calculation that determines where the target will be..not where it is.. and the strike is set to that path... if the target moves youll miss. same as a golf swing , the calculation is just easier for the brain.. BUT... add in slope, or desired flight ( path and traj) and to great players eye/hand is just as in use as any tennis or baseball player.

 

Please enlighten us on how hand eye coordination is any more important for Phil and Seve than anyone else.

 

People are obviously throwing out the names of guys with creative shotmaking ability. How exactly does that correlate to superior hand eye coordination?

 

As far as uneven lies, once you've adjusted your body it is no different than a flat lie. Unless you're arguing that the player may lose his balance.

 

And what the heck does the wind have to do with hand eye coordination?

 

You could argue that hand eye coordination and the abiliy to visualize and adjust pre-shot is important.

 

But during the actual strike, there is no comparison to doing something like hitting a curveball.

 

Again, the ball doesn't move. You can close your eyes and hit a good shot. That puts your theory to bed that hand EYE coordination is crucial.

 

Ask Seve, Phil, or Bubba how they execute their amazing shots. They will mention the ability to visualize, adjust or use their hands effectively. They won't mention hand eye coordination.

I use visual feedback and proprioception when executing shots. I have hit shots with my eyes closed and while able to do so the shots are poor by comparison to eyes wide open using visual feedback. I also adjust my swing on the fly (not always with great success) to compensate for imbalance or an out of position body. If a hack like me makes use of hand-eye or body-coordination then the best players on the planet do it far more and with greater success. Just sayin.

 

No offense intended but maybe they don't have to because they have superior balance and a very fundamentally sound golf swing.

 

If you're making adjustments on the downswing "to compensate for imbalance or an out of position body", that's not good. Doesn't that sound more like a swing flaw than something the pros would be doing?

 

I'm not saying hand eye coordination is completely non-existent in golf. I'm saying that it isn't a key factor or skill.

 

The best players have practiced to the point where they have muscle memory and the ability to repeat the same motion. When you factor in an object that is not moving, that really means you are eliminating the need for hand eye coordination.

 

You make a motion to the target and the ball gets in the way. That's what the swing should be.

 

Do we take in visual feedback to create an image in our mind of the shot and then send the desired motion to our brain to then execute? Yes. But none of that has to do with hand eye coordination.

[bscinstnct]

Sorry to be a jerk but hand eye coordination is not a big factor in golf.

 

The ball doesn't move.

 

There are blind people who, with assistance lining up, strike the ball very well. What does that tell you?

 

I believe George Knudson once shot -1 with his eyes closed on every shot.

 

 

lol... yea.... you obviously have no idea how Phil or Seve hit some of the shots they hit.. your theory only holds water on perfectly flat ground with zero wind and to a level target.... past that no dice..

 

A person is never hitting a moving target either...the brain makes a calculation that determines where the target will be..not where it is.. and the strike is set to that path... if the target moves youll miss. same as a golf swing , the calculation is just easier for the brain.. BUT... add in slope, or desired flight ( path and traj) and to great players eye/hand is just as in use as any tennis or baseball player.

 

Please enlighten us on how hand eye coordination is any more important for Phil and Seve than anyone else.

 

People are obviously throwing out the names of guys with creative shotmaking ability. How exactly does that correlate to superior hand eye coordination?

 

As far as uneven lies, once you've adjusted your body it is no different than a flat lie. Unless you're arguing that the player may lose his balance.

 

And what the heck does the wind have to do with hand eye coordination?

 

You could argue that hand eye coordination and the abiliy to visualize and adjust pre-shot is important.

 

But during the actual strike, there is no comparison to doing something like hitting a curveball.

 

Again, the ball doesn't move. You can close your eyes and hit a good shot. That puts your theory to bed that hand EYE coordination is crucial.

 

Ask Seve, Phil, or Bubba how they execute their amazing shots. They will mention the ability to visualize, adjust or use their hands effectively. They won't mention hand eye coordination.

I use visual feedback and proprioception when executing shots. I have hit shots with my eyes closed and while able to do so the shots are poor by comparison to eyes wide open using visual feedback. I also adjust my swing on the fly (not always with great success) to compensate for imbalance or an out of position body. If a hack like me makes use of hand-eye or body-coordination then the best players on the planet do it far more and with greater success. Just sayin.

 

No offense intended but maybe they don't have to because they have superior balance and a very fundamentally sound golf swing.

 

If you're making adjustments on the downswing "to compensate for imbalance or an out of position body", that's not good. Doesn't that sound more like a swing flaw than something the pros would be doing?

 

I'm not saying hand eye coordination is completely non-existent in golf. I'm saying that it isn't a key factor or skill.

 

The best players have practiced to the point where they have muscle memory and the ability to repeat the same motion. When you factor in an object that is not moving, that really means you are eliminating the need for hand eye coordination.

 

You make a motion to the target and the ball gets in the way. That's what the swing should be.

 

Do we take in visual feedback to create an image in our mind of the shot and then send the desired motion to our brain to then execute? Yes. But none of that has to do with hand eye coordination.

 

Not sure if "eye-hand" is the right term but in some cases, I think it is, and "reflexes" are a huge part of golf.

 

I think Hogan said he only made a handful of outstanding swings per round. And I believe that Jack said he had to save his famous 1-iron that hit the stick at Pebble. That it wasn't a great swing but he saved it with his reflexes.

 

I think these guys, even with the super practiced/honed motion and pivo they have, are still constantly saving shots with their ability to adjust in real time to what they see and feel is happening on any given swing.

 

And for many short game shots, they are more hand/reflex based than pivot based. So, guys with great "eye hand" excel like Phil and TW, and guys with "stone hands" like Westwood don't.

[Barfolomew]

Bubba says he works the ball with his hands vs a more arms/body approach....must have good hands then

[Dano golf]

Years ago, Tiger said that Daily had the best pair of hands.

[Frostfield]

It matters. A LOT.

[cardoustie]

Seve ... BY A MILE. When I guy can beat fellow tour pro's in bunker contests with a 4 iron vs their SW ... look out !!! .... just sayin'

 

I've heard other pro's say Hubert Green when this convo came up in the past

[WHC888]

from a pure hand/eye coordination perspective, hands down Tiger!!

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[straightshot7]

Not sure if "eye-hand" is the right term but in some cases, I think it is, and "reflexes" are a huge part of golf.

 

I think Hogan said he only made a handful of outstanding swings per round. And I believe that Jack said he had to save his famous 1-iron that hit the stick at Pebble. That it wasn't a great swing but he saved it with his reflexes.

 

I think these guys, even with the super practiced/honed motion and pivo they have, are still constantly saving shots with their ability to adjust in real time to what they see and feel is happening on any given swing.

 

And for many short game shots, they are more hand/reflex based than pivot based. So, guys with great "eye hand" excel like Phil and TW, and guys with "stone hands" like Westwood don't.

 

That sounds like mind-body coordination. Surely Nicklaus reacted to something he felt, not something he saw.

 

Hogan only making a handful of outstanding swings per round has something to do with hand eye coordination? He was just a swing perfectionist. His "bad swings" still put the ball in the middle of the green.

 

I don't see the connection of hand-eye coordination to Phil and TW's short game. You don't think if they all closed their eyes on every shot that Phil/TW wouldn't still dominate Westwood around the greens?

[Schley]

Skip Kendall and Phi.

 

Don't forget about Chi Chi!

[playa]

Seve, Daly, Pavin.

Don't know about Pavin, but JD and Seve for sure. I would add Tiger based on that old Nike ad.

[golfer07840]

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It's amazing, after all this time, it appears his swing hasn't slowed down at all. Such effortless power.

[Frankensteins Monster]

Seve, Daly, Pavin.

Don't know about Pavin, but JD and Seve for sure. I would add Tiger based on that old Nike ad.

 

No way he could make consistent contact with a swing like that unless he had great hands.

[manku]

Here was an interesting chart I came across when I was discussing the most difficult sports...golf is 51 on the list, fwiw!

 

It does has a fairly high eye/hand coordination score...surprisingly, soccer, a sport you can't use your hands, has a higher score in that category.

 

Linky:

 

http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills?sort=total_rank#grid

[Steele47]

Seve ... BY A MILE. When I guy can beat fellow tour pro's in bunker contests with a 4 iron vs their SW ... look out !!! .... just sayin'

 

I've heard other pro's say Hubert Green when this convo came up in the past

 

Yes! Hubert Green. The Hatorii Hanzo of golf. One of my all time favorites to watch.

[dpb5031]

from a pure hand/eye coordination perspective, hands down Tiger!!

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Hahahaaa....Calvin, you beat me to it. I was reading the comments here and kept thinking of Tiger on this video!!! Amazing!

[lowheel]

Seve, led the league in shots off his knees every year.

[hazebronso]

What we're all really talking about here is "body coordination". The ability to repeat a body process at will (my own defintion lol). It's what seperates athletes in most sports.

 

With that being said who's had more shots on command than Tiger??

[KCCO]

An argument could be made, if Seve and Phil had/have such great hand-eye coordination, why did/do they hit it in the woods so often?

 

Suspect technique?

Wonder if this has anything to do with Phil’s leading arm being his dominant playing game lefty, he is right handed in most other aspects?

[iBanesto]

No golfers have good hand eye coordination.

 

Have to ever seen them try to high five each other?

 

http://youtu.be/SY6IZEjrs7g

 

http://youtu.be/V_gvg89sbQA

[iBanesto]

More evidence.

 

http://youtu.be/iW_QbY40BF0

 

http://youtu.be/7fApbQKoVjY

[youraway2]

Lee Trevino, no doubt.

 

Maybe Chi Chi as well.

[Schley]

Don't forget about Allen Doyle.... I don't think he even rotated, just cocked his wrists.

[scotee]

[Marco]

No golfers have good hand eye coordination.

 

Have to every seen them try to high five each other?

 

http://youtu.be/SY6IZEjrs7g

 

http://youtu.be/V_gvg89sbQA

 

Thats because most of them (right handed) are left eye dominant, so they have poor coordination of highfive with the right hand (right eye)

[Dr. Block]

An argument could be made, if Seve and Phil had/have such great hand-eye coordination, why did/do they hit it in the woods so often?

 

Suspect technique?

Wonder if this has anything to do with Phil’s leading arm being his dominant playing game lefty, he is right handed in most other aspects?

 

Good call my friend; It has everything to do with it. I am also a lefty that is right handed and right eye dominant. It's been said that its an advantage to be leading the swing with your strong arm, but I believe that to be false. When your strong arm pulls the downswing your head tends to back up (especially if you're right eye dominant as that eye wants to see whats going on) and your handle comes in high. To get the club face on the ball squarely you have to have superior timing and a great set of hands, if you don't rotate the club properly its block city (Phil's miss). Leading with your strong arm can create amazing lag and awesome compression of the ball with irons and wedges, but it's troublesome with the long clubs. Phil has tremendous hand eye coordination, as do all world class players. A golfer is still hitting a ball they’re looking at with their eyes. even if it’s not moving that takes hand eye coordination.

[Hawkeye77]

Years ago, Tiger said that Daily had the best pair of hands.

 

I think it was Weekly.

[Ranger MoJoe]

Haha! He has the best pair of boobs

[iBanesto]

With all due respect to the great golfers. This golfer has better hand eye coordination than all of them.

 

http://youtu.be/aw-nt0eTb2w

 

http://youtu.be/CQTswpbZaS0

[canthitathreewood]

Dark horse....Ryan Moore

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Tania Tare

 

After watching her on Shotmakers, I might have to switch that to best foot, butt, top of head/eye coordination.