Pepsi Duck's Golf Thread: Progress...?

[PepsiDuck]

Man that's tough!

 

I'm not saying you are Adam Scott, but your swing is too damn good to be putting up 99.

 

On the flip side you don't want to see what I was doing in my inaugural 2018 round on Friday.....so I hear what you are saying.

 

Where do you like to play in NOVA? I'm in Ashburn about once a month.

 

Live near Quantico and play at Army Navy Country Club.

[PepsiDuck]

I love the fascination with your threads, I think it must stem from everyone seeing a bit of themselves in your trials and tribulations :).

 

While some of the posters in this thread may not be familiar w/ your history, that isn't me. You spent a good couple of years playing two really awesome golf courses on a daily basis while at the same time receiving regular lessons with your local pro (no slouch) as well as multiple individual lessons and clinics w/ Monte.

 

So I think its fair to say that you haven't been able to "play" your way out of the problem or be "taught" out of the hole.

 

I'm not going to pretend that I have the answer for you, that being said... My suggestion is to spend your time/money/energy with a quality sports psychologist for a bit. I realize that probably isn't what you are looking for but I sincerely believe that your "problem" is pretty complex web of mental issues compounded and habituated over the last few years of frustration. I realize that given your age, gender and current career path that therapy, meditation , and some journalling isn't quite your cup of tea but I'm betting that you would see more positive results than most anything else I can think of.

 

I understand that you like to DIY, so at the very least pick up a copy of Zen Golf (Joseph Parent) can pick it up used for <$5 on amazon. Pretty short and to the point with the added benefit of giving you a pretty good set of steps to follow, along with "drills" to improve on.

 

 

Finally on a semi related note , I know that you have the practice manual but on Adam Young's blog he had a post that literally talks about scapula. I had a chuckle when I saw you talking about scapula retraction as it made me recall this; https://www.adamyoun...-swing-changes/

 

Yep, that was a good time in San Jose, if I remember correctly. Those two years were some of the most frustrating in my golf life...back then, I still had expectations of grandeur and probably the most ideal conditions for golf improvement outside of quitting my job.

 

My wife even tells me I need to go see a sports psychologist, as she plays with me about once a week when she gets out. She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. Then I came to the first tee and shanked the tee shot with a long iron into the woods. Dropped one and shanked the approach shot. Managed a double bogey, and I never recovered that easy and natural swing from the range. I was playing on the 'B' flight for 5-10 handicaps, and after the first hole, one of my playing partners, who happened to be a regional director of the tour, came up to me and said, "if you keep at it this season, you'll definitely be in the 'A' flight..." :dntknw: After the round, I joked with him, saying "I'm just hoping to make it into the 'D' flight next time!"

 

I actually have Zen Golf, in paper edition, no less. I pretty much have every book out there on this stuff...gathering dust, of course... :dntknw:

[PepsiDuck]

Not really sure there is much different in this thread than the lengthy ones that came before, and really don't know why this one is significantly different than the one started in October (then there is the one on "shallowing" just a few days ago).

 

The above post is on point, but let's be honest, when you "work" with an instructor, you are still out there and on here looking for anything and everything, so nothing has changed in any significant way.

 

Not trying to be negative and if another thread helps with motivation/confidence/support then great.

 

Hard to get out of our own way, I sure know that, and really hope you figure out a way to progress the way you want to and have expectations and a plan that will work, I just think you know what that recipe is and just can't commit to following it? If not, then I really hope you find a recipe that works and you get where you want to go following the new one and wish you nothing but the best of luck.

 

Nice guys who are still young, love golf and have the physical talent to be really good deserve to have success - remember, it's a game for the next 50 years, not the next 6 months. There, my $.01 of "wisdom".

 

I don't think I started the shallowing thread...and usually when I'm actively working with an instructor, I won't on here much. Last bit of formal instruction came back in January, I believe. So I understand the perception that I'm going for an hour lesson with an instructor and then come straight home (or even on my phone in the parking lot before I leave :lol:) and post on WRX "f that guy, what should I do now?"

 

Not quite the case. These threads and posts usually come at a time when I've been wandering on my own for a little while. There is usually a period ranging from days to weeks from when I think of posting about my game to when I actually put finger to keyboard.

[Hawkeye77]

Not really sure there is much different in this thread than the lengthy ones that came before, and really don't know why this one is significantly different than the one started in October (then there is the one on "shallowing" just a few days ago).

 

The above post is on point, but let's be honest, when you "work" with an instructor, you are still out there and on here looking for anything and everything, so nothing has changed in any significant way.

 

Not trying to be negative and if another thread helps with motivation/confidence/support then great.

 

Hard to get out of our own way, I sure know that, and really hope you figure out a way to progress the way you want to and have expectations and a plan that will work, I just think you know what that recipe is and just can't commit to following it? If not, then I really hope you find a recipe that works and you get where you want to go following the new one and wish you nothing but the best of luck.

 

Nice guys who are still young, love golf and have the physical talent to be really good deserve to have success - remember, it's a game for the next 50 years, not the next 6 months. There, my $.01 of "wisdom".

 

I don't think I started the shallowing thread...and usually when I'm actively working with an instructor, I won't on here much. Last bit of formal instruction came back in January, I believe. So I understand the perception that I'm going for an hour lesson with an instructor and then come straight home (or even on my phone in the parking lot before I leave :lol:) and post on WRX "f that guy, what should I do now?"

 

Not quite the case. These threads and posts usually come at a time when I've been wandering on my own for a little while. There is usually a period ranging from days to weeks from when I think of posting about my game to when I actually put finger to keyboard.

 

I think it's the wandering that's getting you off track BUT you should approach your game the way you want to approach it, and hope you get where you want to get for sure. Hard to change sometimes, no doubt.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1617294-golf-swing-without-active-shallowing/

[oikos1]

I love the fascination with your threads, I think it must stem from everyone seeing a bit of themselves in your trials and tribulations :).

 

While some of the posters in this thread may not be familiar w/ your history, that isn't me. You spent a good couple of years playing two really awesome golf courses on a daily basis while at the same time receiving regular lessons with your local pro (no slouch) as well as multiple individual lessons and clinics w/ Monte.

 

So I think its fair to say that you haven't been able to "play" your way out of the problem or be "taught" out of the hole.

 

I'm not going to pretend that I have the answer for you, that being said... My suggestion is to spend your time/money/energy with a quality sports psychologist for a bit. I realize that probably isn't what you are looking for but I sincerely believe that your "problem" is pretty complex web of mental issues compounded and habituated over the last few years of frustration. I realize that given your age, gender and current career path that therapy, meditation , and some journalling isn't quite your cup of tea but I'm betting that you would see more positive results than most anything else I can think of.

 

I understand that you like to DIY, so at the very least pick up a copy of Zen Golf (Joseph Parent) can pick it up used for <$5 on amazon. Pretty short and to the point with the added benefit of giving you a pretty good set of steps to follow, along with "drills" to improve on.

 

 

Finally on a semi related note , I know that you have the practice manual but on Adam Young's blog he had a post that literally talks about scapula. I had a chuckle when I saw you talking about scapula retraction as it made me recall this; https://www.adamyoun...-swing-changes/

 

Yep, that was a good time in San Jose, if I remember correctly. Those two years were some of the most frustrating in my golf life...back then, I still had expectations of grandeur and probably the most ideal conditions for golf improvement outside of quitting my job.

 

My wife even tells me I need to go see a sports psychologist, as she plays with me about once a week when she gets out. She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. Then I came to the first tee and shanked the tee shot with a long iron into the woods. Dropped one and shanked the approach shot. Managed a double bogey, and I never recovered that easy and natural swing from the range. I was playing on the 'B' flight for 5-10 handicaps, and after the first hole, one of my playing partners, who happened to be a regional director of the tour, came up to me and said, "if you keep at it this season, you'll definitely be in the 'A' flight..." :dntknw: After the round, I joked with him, saying "I'm just hoping to make it into the 'D' flight next time!"

 

I actually have Zen Golf, in paper edition, no less. I pretty much have every book out there on this stuff...gathering dust, of course... :dntknw:

 

You need to find a golf buddy you can go out and play match play with where you only have to focus literally one hole, one shot at a time. Once it's over, it's done Or find someone who doesn't care about what score you shoot. Something is causing you to worry and it appears to be performance based. Just play.

[Mike Divot]

Man that's tough!

 

I'm not saying you are Adam Scott, but your swing is too damn good to be putting up 99.

 

This kind of feedback supports OP's position and actually feeds the addiction.

 

OP is addicted and this forum is the extended family and friends looking on in dismay.

 

No advice can help this guy right now. He's still on the way down. He'll have to shoot 200 before he decides to change.

[wmblake2000]

 

No advice can help this guy right now. He's still on the way down. He'll have to shoot 200 before he decides to change.

 

The old hit bottom process. Been there, done that in many areas of life. Slow way to learn, but it works.

[Jim Waldron]

I love the fascination with your threads, I think it must stem from everyone seeing a bit of themselves in your trials and tribulations :).

 

While some of the posters in this thread may not be familiar w/ your history, that isn't me. You spent a good couple of years playing two really awesome golf courses on a daily basis while at the same time receiving regular lessons with your local pro (no slouch) as well as multiple individual lessons and clinics w/ Monte.

 

So I think its fair to say that you haven't been able to "play" your way out of the problem or be "taught" out of the hole.

 

I'm not going to pretend that I have the answer for you, that being said... My suggestion is to spend your time/money/energy with a quality sports psychologist for a bit. I realize that probably isn't what you are looking for but I sincerely believe that your "problem" is pretty complex web of mental issues compounded and habituated over the last few years of frustration. I realize that given your age, gender and current career path that therapy, meditation , and some journalling isn't quite your cup of tea but I'm betting that you would see more positive results than most anything else I can think of.

 

I understand that you like to DIY, so at the very least pick up a copy of Zen Golf (Joseph Parent) can pick it up used for <$5 on amazon. Pretty short and to the point with the added benefit of giving you a pretty good set of steps to follow, along with "drills" to improve on.

 

 

Finally on a semi related note , I know that you have the practice manual but on Adam Young's blog he had a post that literally talks about scapula. I had a chuckle when I saw you talking about scapula retraction as it made me recall this; https://www.adamyoun...-swing-changes/

 

Yep, that was a good time in San Jose, if I remember correctly. Those two years were some of the most frustrating in my golf life...back then, I still had expectations of grandeur and probably the most ideal conditions for golf improvement outside of quitting my job.

 

My wife even tells me I need to go see a sports psychologist, as she plays with me about once a week when she gets out. She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. Then I came to the first tee and shanked the tee shot with a long iron into the woods. Dropped one and shanked the approach shot. Managed a double bogey, and I never recovered that easy and natural swing from the range. I was playing on the 'B' flight for 5-10 handicaps, and after the first hole, one of my playing partners, who happened to be a regional director of the tour, came up to me and said, "if you keep at it this season, you'll definitely be in the 'A' flight..." :dntknw: After the round, I joked with him, saying "I'm just hoping to make it into the 'D' flight next time!"

 

I actually have Zen Golf, in paper edition, no less. I pretty much have every book out there on this stuff...gathering dust, of course... :dntknw:

 

You need to seriously consider the very real possibility that you have the full swing yips, in spite of your acknowledged and also very real right elbow flaw on Transition. Puring it on the range and then missing it badly as soon as you step onto the course is one of the first diagnostic questions I ask new students who come to work with me who think they may have the yips. If the answer is yes, it is almost a certainty they have the yips.

 

I recommend boiling it down to just those two things - and literally nothing else for the next 6 months. Fix the right arm/elbow out of position issue - which will require a ton of slow mo reps focusing on the second half of your backswing, where you pull the arms in and across and around as you complete the backswing. Meaning you need to maintain your Triangle arm pressures during this stage of the swing, stay wide and in front of the right side of your chest. That will help a lot with the Transition issue, ie no need so much to move the arms "back in front" if they are already "in front" to start with.

 

Then work on Transition, again maintain the Triangle arm pressures so the momentum from your lower body pivot/shift left does not leak into your upper arms too much and cause too much arm lag. Work on firing your core and Tilt Switching, which will bring the arms down and forward, what I often call the "Pilates move" since it is the exact same muscle firing sequence in a very common Pilates Reformer machine exercise. Your scapula thing could very well be just lack of that move and not so much the scapula retraction itself.

 

Part Two is to fix the yip issue, and associated mental game issues, ie wandering mind, too much analysis, too much "monitoring" from a judgemental mindset, learning to trust your range swing while playing golf, so you can take it to the course and let it perform the way it does on the range.

 

Although it may not be possible for you to actually do both simultaneously over 6 months. Might have to do the mechanical work first, until you see some moderate progress at a minimum, and then work on the yips stuff.

[wmblake2000]

OP: Read Jim's post. Then read it again. Print it out and put it on your bulletin board or tape it to your bag.

[Jim Waldron]

It is actually becoming a very, very common issue for golfers to struggle with their swings on the golf course, and hitting some really wild shots, and for that guy or gal to have no idea that the real issue is the yips. The obsession with mechanics in golf currently - due to easy access to often overly-technical swing theory on the Internet - has become almost "cult-like" and results in the poor golfer incorrectly diagnosing the cause as "poor mechanics." And it is really and truly an irrational position to take, because some kinds of "bad mechanics" are directly caused by poor mental focus or negative emotions like fear.

 

Fear and/or a wandering mind can cause:

 

a. your grip pressure to tighten, which can block your release and leave the face wide open at impact.

 

b. your pivot to stall, which can cause an early release and too much forearm roll, and a shut face at impact.

 

c. your arms to swing past torso mid-line well before impact, which can cause any number of bad shot outcomes.

 

d. your backswing Pivot to stop too soon, causing any number of bad shots due to poor forward swing sequence.

 

e. you to lift your head up before impact out of worry about how badly you are going to hit the ball, which can cause your torso to raise up out of Spine Angle, causing a topped shot.

 

.....and I could keep going through the list, but you guys get my point, I think.

[PepsiDuck]

You need to seriously consider the very real possibility that you have the full swing yips, in spite of your acknowledged and also very real right elbow flaw on Transition. Puring it on the range and then missing it badly as soon as you step onto the course is one of the first diagnostic questions I ask new students who come to work with me who think they may have the yips. If the answer is yes, it is almost a certainty they have the yips.

 

I recommend boiling it down to just those two things - and literally nothing else for the next 6 months. Fix the right arm/elbow out of position issue - which will require a ton of slow mo reps focusing on the second half of your backswing, where you pull the arms in and across and around as you complete the backswing. Meaning you need to maintain your Triangle arm pressures during this stage of the swing, stay wide and in front of the right side of your chest. That will help a lot with the Transition issue, ie no need so much to move the arms "back in front" if they are already "in front" to start with.

 

Then work on Transition, again maintain the Triangle arm pressures so the momentum from your lower body pivot/shift left does not leak into your upper arms too much and cause too much arm lag. Work on firing your core and Tilt Switching, which will bring the arms down and forward, what I often call the "Pilates move" since it is the exact same muscle firing sequence in a very common Pilates Reformer machine exercise. Your scapula thing could very well be just lack of that move and not so much the scapula retraction itself.

 

Part Two is to fix the yip issue, and associated mental game issues, ie wandering mind, too much analysis, too much "monitoring" from a judgemental mindset, learning to trust your range swing while playing golf, so you can take it to the course and let it perform the way it does on the range.

 

Although it may not be possible for you to actually do both simultaneously over 6 months. Might have to do the mechanical work first, until you see some moderate progress at a minimum, and then work on the yips stuff.

 

Jim,

 

Thanks again for your quality feedback and wisdom. I always appreciate the time you take when responding in my threads; it hasn't gone unnoticed.

 

I have definitely considered that I not only have full swing yips, but full-on golf yips as reflected by my short game...though that may just be a result of a lack of focus from the frustrations of my full swing. I absolutely agree with you that my primary mechanical concern should be the right elbow at transition. I think it's a combination of a backswing that initially moves the right elbow behind me and a transition that further exacerbates it. Rather than address P1 through P4, my primary focus has been to recover from P4 through P6.

 

I have difficulty understanding how a single swing thought, when successful on the range, offers no positive result on the course. My natural instinct is to think there is something just slightly off that isn't addressed by the swing thought. So I may be executing my intent correctly, but something that may be totally unrelated is off enough to throw the whole swing into disarray. That then leads me down the rabbit hole of questioning whether my original intent was incorrect while completely unaware of the something else that caused the poor swing. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned my over-attention to minutia, and this is exactly why...

[carrera]

PD - I saw "Mr. X" play once in 1981 and he hit the ball as well as anyone in the tournament. If you stopped his swing at P4, you'd think he wouldn't even make a country club's C team for interclub matches.

 

The point is, he figured out that the only thing that counts is how you get to impact. You are focused on how you get to P4 or P5. Live with your "unusual" elbow and get things going well into the ball...you just might be a guy who can't fix something on your backswing that so unorthodox. So try to make the best of it. Just a suggestion.

 

 

[Krt22]

Just checking if you've given RBMbuy a call yet??

[Yrrdead]

Just checking if you've given RBMbuy a call yet??

 

Does anyone ever actually get that low?

[Petethreeput]

It is actually becoming a very, very common issue for golfers to struggle with their swings on the golf course, and hitting some really wild shots, and for that guy or gal to have no idea that the real issue is the yips. The obsession with mechanics in golf currently - due to easy access to often overly-technical swing theory on the Internet - has become almost "cult-like" and results in the poor golfer incorrectly diagnosing the cause as "poor mechanics." And it is really and truly an irrational position to take, because some kinds of "bad mechanics" are directly caused by poor mental focus or negative emotions like fear.

 

Fear and/or a wandering mind can cause:

 

a. your grip pressure to tighten, which can block your release and leave the face wide open at impact.

 

b. your pivot to stall, which can cause an early release and too much forearm roll, and a shut face at impact.

 

c. your arms to swing past torso mid-line well before impact, which can cause any number of bad shot outcomes.

 

d. your backswing Pivot to stop too soon, causing any number of bad shots due to poor forward swing sequence.

 

e. you to lift your head up before impact out of worry about how badly you are going to hit the ball, which can cause your torso to raise up out of Spine Angle, causing a topped shot.

 

.....and I could keep going through the list, but you guys get my point, I think.

 

Love this. When I play an unfamiliar course I tighten up and spray right with a block slice combo then over correct left.

[Hawkeye77]

Just checking if you've given RBMbuy a call yet??

 

Does anyone ever actually get that low?

 

Low? 300,000 simoleons!

[moehogan]

I see so many struggle with their swings due to problems managing their right arms and shoulders. Intuitively some feel the need to tense up the right shoulder by retracting, elevating and internally rotating it so it feels loaded and then try to push the clubhead down to the ball with that entire shoulder/arm mess.

 

The better but much more counter intuitive DS move is to PULL the handle down, out and UNDER with the middle two fingers of the right hand while winding the entire right arm clockwise … hand path LOW and CLOSE to the right leg in the DS. When done correctly, this should protract, depress and externally rotate the right shoulder. Left arm provides counterbalance by winding the opposite way (CCW) keeping the clubface from getting too open. This move even can even allow one to recover from the Jimmy Bruen or Mr. X top of swing position.

 

Below is a drill to get the feel of the right arm in the swing ... right arm swings while only applying any significant grip pressure to the two middle fingers of the right hand. It should help one to feel the need to keep those two fingers UNDER the club in the DS to keep it contained before it starts to tumble at P6.

 

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[hackdog]

Just checking if you've given RBMbuy a call yet??

 

Does anyone ever actually get that low?

 

Low? 300,000 simoleons!

 

Yea, but he is THE golfgod, they don't come cheap.

[gatorpedsMD]

IMO this scapula thing isn't the answer. In both shots of the new swing OP is super steep. No way to recover from that p5. I say the scapula thing isn't the answer cuz even in the "better" one OP is still basically cooked from p5.

 

I absolutely agree. The problem for the past few years has been figuring out how to either (1) prevent that position to begin with, or (2) find a way to consistently recover from that position.

 

After struggling mightily with (2) for so long, I'm trying (1)...

 

U should try GG/DC motin to shallow ur shiiiiiii* out. u look strong as f***, and that likely is causing u to yank the handle hard and steepen the club in early transition. IMO 99.999999999 percent of people cannot play consistent high level golf with that move. I have tried lol, myself. I personally find the following thoughts helpful currently:

 

 

[Golfbeat]

PepsiDuck, are you still doing weights a lot?

[PepsiDuck]

PepsiDuck, are you still doing weights a lot?

 

Yes.

[Golfbeat]

PepsiDuck, are you still doing weights a lot?

 

Yes.

 

I was just wondering whether that could somehow have an adverse effect. Tension or wrong muscles overdeveloped?

[PepsiDuck]

I was just wondering whether that could somehow have an adverse effect. Tension or wrong muscles overdeveloped?

 

Well, I don't necessarily buy the idea that extensive weight training is somehow "bad" for golf, but I'll admit I'm biased. However, I had a discussion with one of my best friends from college who is studying physical therapy, and he noted that the muscles associated with internal rotation of the arm/shoulder girdle tend to be overdeveloped in most weight trainers compared to the external rotation muscles. I am no exception, so it's quite probable that external rotation on the downswing is difficult, if not impossible, because my internal rotation muscles (e.g., pecs) simply "overpower" the external rotators (e.g., supraspinatus, infraspinatus).

 

So yes, I do believe there is a muscle imbalance.

[oikos1]

"She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. "

 

If you are striping it on the range and five minutes later when it counts can't hit it out of your own shadow, how could it possibly be a physiological issue?

[b_f_c_99]

Your a handle yanker, I wanna hit the ball guy rather than a club swinger. Copying the swings of Bobby Jones and that era would get you to feel what it’s like to swing the club. But you won’t do that because it’s not going to look boss to you, and you want to look like all the young studs on the tour. Professional golf has turned into a showcase for a very few really exceptional athletes that can pull off some very unnatural moves. They mostly can do this because they are natural to them, and so unnatural for normal people that it’s pointless to try and copy what they are doing. Sure can slow mo and static position into what they look like but your body, brain connection has no clue what to do with that when you actually put a ball down.

 

Jim Waldron is probably correct on the full swing yips. If that is the case you are going to have to do something that feels so different it will blow your mind.

[PepsiDuck]

Jim Waldron is probably correct on the full swing yips. If that is the case you are going to have to do something that feels so different it will blow your mind.

 

You are right that “correct” is probably going to be mind blowing. I had the chance to get on the Robot Swing Trainer at Pebble Beach last year, and it was pretty interesting. What struck me the most was the feeling of the model P4. I felt like someone was cranking my right shoulder out of socket. Sure I could force the position on the trainer in slow motion, but it certainly wasn’t something that I could do in a real life swing, let alone without the robot.

[PepsiDuck]

"She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. "

 

If you are striping it on the range and five minutes later when it counts can't hit it out of your own shadow, how could it possibly be a physiological issue?

 

My goal is to be able to get to a position at P4 where I don’t need any arm/upper body intents at transition. I can just turn. From what I’ve seen of myself, I need to identify and mitigate any physiological issues to set myself up for success.

 

And it’s possible that a transition without arm intents is not physically possible for me. I’d rather someone tell me that rather than tell me that I can do whatever I want on the backswing, and we’ll just unf*ck it at transition.

[wmblake2000]

"She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. "

 

If you are striping it on the range and five minutes later when it counts can't hit it out of your own shadow, how could it possibly be a physiological issue?

 

My goal is to be able to get to a position at P4 where I dont need any arm/upper body intents at transition. I can just turn. From what Ive seen of myself, I need to identify and mitigate any physiological issues to set myself up for success.

 

And its possible that a transition without arm intents is not physically possible for me. Id rather someone tell me that rather than tell me that I can do whatever I want on the backswing, and well just unf*ck it at transition.

 

I think that is unrealistic. Personally I have not found that the old saying “change one thing and the rest falls in place” to be true. Some changes make others possible and easier but I have found very few that did not need some of my attention.

 

But that is just me. I suffer from “LOFT” - talent was defined somewhere as the speed at which a student can pick up a new move. Some can do it in 5 minutes. It takes me 2 years.

[oikos1]

"She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. "

 

If you are striping it on the range and five minutes later when it counts can't hit it out of your own shadow, how could it possibly be a physiological issue?

 

My goal is to be able to get to a position at P4 where I don't need any arm/upper body intents at transition. I can just turn. From what I've seen of myself, I need to identify and mitigate any physiological issues to set myself up for success.

 

And it's possible that a transition without arm intents is not physically possible for me. I'd rather someone tell me that rather than tell me that I can do whatever I want on the backswing, and we'll just unf*ck it at transition.

"She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. "

 

If you are striping it on the range and five minutes later when it counts can't hit it out of your own shadow, how could it possibly be a physiological issue?

 

My goal is to be able to get to a position at P4 where I don't need any arm/upper body intents at transition. I can just turn. From what I've seen of myself, I need to identify and mitigate any physiological issues to set myself up for success.

 

And it's possible that a transition without arm intents is not physically possible for me. I'd rather someone tell me that rather than tell me that I can do whatever I want on the backswing, and we'll just unf*ck it at transition.

What I'm hinting at is if you can do it on the range, you've proven that you understand and can apply what you need to do to hit the ball on the first tee. Perhaps you're trying to be too perfect, the mindset of "I should be better than I really am" and so you get way ahead of yourself on the course.

 

You obviously have decent swing DNA if you have been a two. At some point you're going to realize you've been chasing swing positions and fixes for a while now and it isn't working.

 

"Athletically fit, excess income/recreational time and sucking at golf is no way to go through life, son."

 

 

[moehogan]

"She watches as I stripe ball after ball on the range. When we get to the first tee...out of bounds, and off we go!

 

The same thing happened today. I had no sh*t one of the best range exhibitions in recent memory. Everything felt easy and natural. "

 

If you are striping it on the range and five minutes later when it counts can't hit it out of your own shadow, how could it possibly be a physiological issue?

 

My goal is to be able to get to a position at P4 where I don’t need any arm/upper body intents at transition. I can just turn. From what I’ve seen of myself, I need to identify and mitigate any physiological issues to set myself up for success.

 

And it’s possible that a transition without arm intents is not physically possible for me. I’d rather someone tell me that rather than tell me that I can do whatever I want on the backswing, and we’ll just unf*ck it at transition.

 

Even if you can get to P4 as effectively as the fella in the pic below, how is your one intent of just turning going to prevent the arms triangle from being dragged CCW with the pivot? That’s Steepville forever!

 

Arms triangle as a unit must apply a CW winding or torque in opposition to the pivot from P4 to P6. Then tumble away!