Miura US - and where they are produced....

[Viking Golfer]

Only ONE Plant and this is located in Himeji, Japan

I've heard rumours of Miura irons being forged in a new plant in Taiwan. I've heard rumours of Miura Giken irons being made in Japan and Miura US irons being forged and finished in Taiwan og China. I've heard rumours saying that the finihes on the Miura US Cb-301 irons are cheap Taiwanese junk finish. Now I want to know the truth. I have to go to the direct source to obtain such information - and ladies and gents here it is:

I now have a direct quote from Bill Holowaty from Miura US. Bill can CLEARLY dismiss any rumours about outsorced production plants in Taiwan or in China. Bill Holowaty underlines further that all Miura irons, from both Miura Giken and Miura US, are forged and finished at the same plant in Himeji, Japan !

I find this information of great value - if people suggest that Miura have a plant in Taiwan, where the "cheap" Miura US irons are either forged or finished, then PLEASE SHOW US SOME PROOF !

[sandy]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

[Cakalac]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

 

 

Are we sure about that. I have been told differently!

[ifixclubs]

im sure miura still forges oem irons for tour players...heard quite a few tour players insist on that their irons be made by miura only...

[tbc777]

they still do things for oem's. not as much as before but there are a few. miura did out source some stuff for awhile but very little and they all were finished in japan. now days mainly woods are out sourced.

[Viking Golfer]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

 

I do care, Sandy.

 

Not that China, Thailand, Taiwan and other countries can't make great forgings and great finishes on club heads - they sure can, but I've heard a lot of (now considered BULL) TALK from certain people about Miura US iron heads - so I asked Miura Japan and Miura US about it, and felt the need to mention this in a post in here on WRX. That's all :russian_roulette:

 

It's really not such a big deal, but none the less still an important side note to the endless discussions on various golf boards about the Miura brand and where the clubs are produced.

[sandy]

im sure miura still forges oem irons for tour players...heard quite a few tour players insist on that their irons be made by miura only...

 

Name the quite a few. Please don't start the Tiger Wood's urban legend again as that has been debunked.

[teezoid]

Either way.... I love Miura irons. It is truly a shame that neither this site or the "other" site out there that specializes in Golf talk seem to care one way or another.

It seems to me that anything with the Miura name on it carries no clout here. The only irons anyone seems to notice is if it is Taylor Made ( forged by Miura )

Miura forges one of the best irons out there. They have feel unsurpassed by no other forging house.

I just bought the Cb-202's I have seen nothing to compare out there.

[Cakalac]

Taylormade Tour Issue and Titleist is two I was told by a dealer close to Miura. Only Tour Issue clubs though not retail.

[sandy]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

 

I do care, Sandy.

 

Not that China, Thailand, Taiwan and other countries can't make great forgings and great finishes on club heads - they sure can, but I've heard a lot of (now considered BULL) TALK from certain people about Miura US iron heads - so I asked Miura Japan and Miura US about it, and felt the need to mention this in a post in here on WRX. That's all :russian_roulette:

 

It's really not such a big deal, but none the less still an important side note to the endless discussions on various golf boards about the Miura brand and where the clubs are produced.

 

But none of it has ANY impact on their sales which are minimal in the total forged iron count worldwide (they may not sell as many as Homna). I guess if one is trying to maintain their cult status it might matter. I have 5 sets of Miuras on my club racks and have never been overly impressed or overly underimpressed. Their finish isn't any better or any worse than other major companies. The only thing they do better than many other companies is control their headweights closer to nominal. But other than a tour pro no average to good golfer is going to know his iron is brought up to the correct weight with a shaft weight (which by the way some of the models that Miura did for Taylor Made had weights in them--X-300 and Firesole Forged to mention two).

[Cakalac]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

 

I do care, Sandy.

 

Not that China, Thailand, Taiwan and other countries can't make great forgings and great finishes on club heads - they sure can, but I've heard a lot of (now considered BULL) TALK from certain people about Miura US iron heads - so I asked Miura Japan and Miura US about it, and felt the need to mention this in a post in here on WRX. That's all :russian_roulette:

 

It's really not such a big deal, but none the less still an important side note to the endless discussions on various golf boards about the Miura brand and where the clubs are produced.

 

But none of it has ANY impact on their sales which are minimal in the total forged iron count worldwide (they may not sell as many as Homna). I guess if one is trying to maintain their cult status it might matter. I have 5 sets of Miuras on my club racks and have never been overly impressed or overly under impressed. Their finish isn't any better or any worse than other major companies. The only thing they do better than many other companies is control their headweights closer to nominal. But other than a tour pro no average to good golfer is going to know his iron is brought up to the correct weight with a shaft weight (which by the way some of the models that Miura did for Taylor Made had weights in them--X-300 and Firesole Forged to mention two).

 

 

I agree with that. I don't know anyone who buys a particular club like a TM or Titleist and says WOW Miura forged these. I just got fitted for clubs yesterday and the guy that fitted me has been in this business for a long time and is very knowledgeable and he had never even heard of Miura.

[SwingMan]

Either way.... I love Miura irons. It is truly a shame that neither this site or the "other" site out there that specializes in Golf talk seem to care one way or another.

It seems to me that anything with the Miura name on it carries no clout here.

 

I just bought the Cb-202's I have seen nothing to compare out there.

 

Semi On Topic relating to above quote: That "other site" specializes in selling tour equipment and shafts -- golf talk is a sideline to rake in customers. IMHO. They don't mention other products like Scratch Golf and always put down Miura and other companies whose product they can't sell or with whom they have a beef (See Scratch Golf). Do a search under Scratch Golf and see what happens. Other golf sites discuss Miura in a positive manner, but Miura gets the most attention on WRX.

 

As to Miuras, I see a lot of people on this site who love their irons. Their fairways are solid and soft feeling, too. Match them with the right shaft and you might be playing them.

 

It is good to know that all Miuras are made in one foundry in Japan. Thanks, As to OEM work, we saw some pics of Cleveland wedes where they do some OEM work for the Japan market.

 

Personally, I don't see the need for the Miura detractors to make an appearance so often. It often gets vicious. It's a golf club, folks, not a religion. The Cameron, Titleist, TM, Ping, etc. people have their fun and worship their product. Let the Miura fans have some fun, too. We can debate the pros and cons in an agreeable manner.

 

Off Topic: Below is what happens when you search "Scratch Golf" on another site. You'd think if someone had the #1 Forged Wedge on the Nationwide Tour, it would get some talk. But not on that site. lol.

[Viking Golfer]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

 

I do care, Sandy.

 

Not that China, Thailand, Taiwan and other countries can't make great forgings and great finishes on club heads - they sure can, but I've heard a lot of (now considered BULL) TALK from certain people about Miura US iron heads - so I asked Miura Japan and Miura US about it, and felt the need to mention this in a post in here on WRX. That's all :russian_roulette:

 

It's really not such a big deal, but none the less still an important side note to the endless discussions on various golf boards about the Miura brand and where the clubs are produced.

 

But none of it has ANY impact on their sales which are minimal in the total forged iron count worldwide (they may not sell as many as Homna). I guess if one is trying to maintain their cult status it might matter. I have 5 sets of Miuras on my club racks and have never been overly impressed or overly underimpressed. Their finish isn't any better or any worse than other major companies. The only thing they do better than many other companies is control their headweights closer to nominal. But other than a tour pro no average to good golfer is going to know his iron is brought up to the correct weight with a shaft weight (which by the way some of the models that Miura did for Taylor Made had weights in them--X-300 and Firesole Forged to mention two).

 

 

I'm not talking about Miura sales. I'm just posting this information because a few guys (they know who they are) have told me and others, that Miura had at least two plants, and one was situated in Taiwan. This is incorrect. There are only one Miura plant and it is situated in Himeji, Japan.

 

If this information is of no interest to you, then please diregard this thread instead of telling us that this information has no impact on Miura sales - what a weird comment to make, Sandy. This is a golf forum for Christ sake - we talk golf in here.

[seriousperformance]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

All the 57's are forged in Japan with the finishing done in China...whats the point?

[sandy]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

 

I do care, Sandy.

 

Not that China, Thailand, Taiwan and other countries can't make great forgings and great finishes on club heads - they sure can, but I've heard a lot of (now considered BULL) TALK from certain people about Miura US iron heads - so I asked Miura Japan and Miura US about it, and felt the need to mention this in a post in here on WRX. That's all :russian_roulette:

 

It's really not such a big deal, but none the less still an important side note to the endless discussions on various golf boards about the Miura brand and where the clubs are produced.

 

But none of it has ANY impact on their sales which are minimal in the total forged iron count worldwide (they may not sell as many as Homna). I guess if one is trying to maintain their cult status it might matter. I have 5 sets of Miuras on my club racks and have never been overly impressed or overly underimpressed. Their finish isn't any better or any worse than other major companies. The only thing they do better than many other companies is control their headweights closer to nominal. But other than a tour pro no average to good golfer is going to know his iron is brought up to the correct weight with a shaft weight (which by the way some of the models that Miura did for Taylor Made had weights in them--X-300 and Firesole Forged to mention two).

 

 

I'm not talking about Miura sales. I'm just posting this information because a few guys (they know who they are) have told me and others, that Miura had at least two plants, and one was situated in Taiwan. This is incorrect. There are only one Miura plant and it is situated in Himeji, Japan.

 

If this information is of no interest to you, then please diregard this thread instead of telling us that this information has no impact on Miura sales - what a weird comment to make, Sandy. This is a golf forum for Christ sake - we talk golf in here.

 

You act like you are the self annoited protector of Miura's reputation. My only point is that your factoid about them being forged in ONLY a Japanese plant doesn't do a thing for their reputation or sales---just settles an disagreement with some others who would dare to post something incorrect. If every piece of incorrect information here was removed the place would be empty. Miura's share of the market will remain the same whether they are forged in Japan or fill in the blank.

[sandy]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

All the 57's are forged in Japan with the finishing done in China...whats the point?

 

That would make them substandard right, according to this post. The finishing of the 57s in China isn't the only Mizuno product done in China either (and I don't mean their woods).

[seriousperformance]

Who really cares?? Most manufacturers (Endo in particular that has 75% of the industry forgings presently) now have plants in Thailand, Taiwan, China as well as Japan. Most are supervised by Japanese quality personal and have random quality checks. I believe the only Miura irons that were manufactured in Thailand and China for a short period of time were the RAC combos. The Miura Taylor Made X-300s were even forged in Mexico for a while, but their predecessor the Firesole Forged were only forged in Japan. Everything Miura now is done in Japan since they now longer do any irons for any OEMs.

 

A tip for all you potential Mizuno MP-57 purchasers---check where they are manufactured. HEE HEE HEE

All the 57's are forged in Japan with the finishing done in China...whats the point?

 

That would make them substandard right, according to this post. The finishing of the 57s in China isn't the only Mizuno product done in China either (and I don't mean their woods).

All of the forged irons are done in the Chulo foundry in Japan. So what are you claiming?

[joey3108]

SIMPLE!

 

Who wants to volunteer buying both US and Japan Miura and send it to a metalurgist lab to find out the different? Raise your hand!!!

 

Again and again i've said this, It's not about who forged them anymore...it's about what grade of carbon steel metal they've used and how is finish.

 

To soft on the metal grade will reduce durability but yet feeeeeelllllls good, vice versa!

 

Finish w/ double nickel or triple nickel or copper inlay will tell on how good the feel and durability too.

 

Remember, finishing is to hide any inperfection in the metal and make cosmetically looks appealing.

 

Balancing all these factors including cost to produce and retail cost, plus appealing design that will work on the course and your eyes are every OEM dream.

 

Joe

[Viking Golfer]

SIMPLE!

 

Who wants to volunteer buying both US and Japan Miura and send it to a metalurgist lab to find out the different? Raise your hand!!!

 

Again and again i've said this, It's not about who forged them anymore...it's about what grade of carbon steel metal they've used and how is finish.

 

To soft on the metal grade will reduce durability but yet feeeeeelllllls good, vice versa!

 

Finish w/ double nickel or triple nickel or copper inlay will tell on how good the feel and durability too.

 

Remember, finishing is to hide any inperfection in the metal and make cosmetically looks appealing.

 

Balancing all these factors including cost to produce and retail cost, plus appealing design that will work on the course and your eyes are every OEM dream.

 

Joe

 

I agree Joe - and as I said I know it's not the country in which they are forged that really matters, but the quality of the steel used, BUT I just tried to state facts about where Miura heads are forged and finished. I did not say anything about the quality of the finish and forgings in this post. Just tried to settle an issue regarding how many plants Miura has and where this plant is. As I said not a big thing - but once in a while somebody asks where Miura are forged and this thread settles this particular issue. As Sandy says, the production place will have no influence on how many iron sets Miura sells. But when it says Made in Japan, I find it nice to know that they are both finished and forged in Japan. It's the same thing when you buy a swiss made Rolex watch. If you heard it was made in China, they aura surrounding this watch and the Rolex brand would disappear very fast. If Ferrari was made in Brazil, to cut production costs, the aura surrounding the Ferrari brand could suffer. All this could happen, even though they might be able to produce high quality cars in Brazil and high quality watches in China even though the important thing here is the materials used in the creating process and not so much the country in which the item is produced.

[rufus mangler]

SIMPLE!

 

Who wants to volunteer buying both US and Japan Miura and send it to a metalurgist lab to find out the different? Raise your hand!!!

 

I agree, but forget the labs. Let's get the Japanese golf club enthusiasts together and have them tell us where they're forged by hitting them.

 

Sorry. This whole "where are they forged" thing determining whether a club is good or not is just maddening. Is an iron forged in China going to rust, break, or feel any different than a Japanese forged iron? If you PAY for a Japanese Miura, you should know what a Japanese Miura feels like, as opposed to a Chinese Miura.

[classactonthegreen]

Seems funny Miura getting so much good/bad press... take a look at www.vega-golf.com - Mr Vega learnt his craft with them apparently before setting up on his own. Vega claim the one piece forging they do against Miura's 2 piece makes for a softer feel and I have to say my Vega's are beautiful...!

[giogolf]

[quote name='classactonthegreen' post='803241' date='Nov 26 2007, 05:18 PM']Seems funny Miura getting so much good/bad press... take a look at www.vega-golf.com - Mr Vega learnt his craft with them apparently before setting up on his own. Vega claim the one piece forging they do against Miura's 2 piece makes for a softer feel and I have to say my Vega's are beautiful...![/quote]
The Snake Eyes 600C, 600B and 600XC are all forged the same way as Vegas... One piece, hammered multiple times, then grooved, sorted and finised. The only thing is that Snake Eyes used S45C which is a tad bit harder than S25C.

FYI:
S25C is the Japanese equivalent to 1025 SAE.

[stage1350]

I see no evidence of Miura getting bad press here. The prices are still running too high for me to procure a set of CB-201 heads.

[sandy]

[quote name='classactonthegreen' post='803241' date='Nov 26 2007, 05:18 PM']Seems funny Miura getting so much good/bad press... take a look at www.vega-golf.com - Mr Vega learnt his craft with them apparently before setting up on his own. Vega claim the one piece forging they do against Miura's 2 piece makes for a softer feel and I have to say my Vega's are beautiful...![/quote]

"learnt his craft" probably after he "kilt him a bar" Davy, Davy Crockett king of the wild frontier.

[sergizmo]

[quote name='gioGolf' post='803295' date='Nov 26 2007, 06:04 PM'][quote name='classactonthegreen' post='803241' date='Nov 26 2007, 05:18 PM']Seems funny Miura getting so much good/bad press... take a look at www.vega-golf.com - Mr Vega learnt his craft with them apparently before setting up on his own. Vega claim the one piece forging they do against Miura's 2 piece makes for a softer feel and I have to say my Vega's are beautiful...![/quote]
The Snake Eyes 600C, 600B and 600XC are all forged the same way as Vegas... One piece, hammered multiple times, then grooved, sorted and finised. The only thing is that Snake Eyes used S45C which is a tad bit harder than S25C.

FYI:
S25C is the Japanese equivalent to 1025 SAE.
[/quote]

Actually a .2 percent increase in carbon (1045 - .45% carbon, 1025 - .25% carbon) is quite a lot. Doesn't sound like much, but it makes quite a difference in measured hardness. The Brinell hardness of 1045 is 215 and the Brinell hardness of 1025 is 161 (As rolled condition). Now if after forging there is still that much difference in hardness values I frankly don't know, but it's something to think about. And how much you can actually feel that difference in hardness is also subjective.

The Snake Eyes may feel a bit firmer, but that isn't necessarilly bad. Everyone has different likes when it comes to feel. A definate plus is that your Snake Eyes will wear better (ding less) and hold their lofts and lies better than a set of Miuras or other 1020/1025 forged irons.