Maltby TS2

[AZstu324]

3 hours ago, CyFan said:

war committee

Is WAR an acronym?

 

Wife's

Always

Right

 

Wife 

Attack

Ritual

 

When

Are-You-Ever

Right?

 

What?!!..

Another

Ridiculous golf club?!

 

Wrong..

Always

Repenting 

 

🤣

Edited May 13, 2023 by AZstu324

[Popeye64]

15 minutes ago, dmeeksDC said:

A few questions that may or may not have been answered in this amazing 146-page thread. Long may it live!

 

1. For combo purposes, is this the order from most forgiving to most player: TS2, TS1, TS1-IM, TS3, TS4. 
 

2. With the hosel depth on the new models, if I went straight in with the Score LT shafts trimmed to stiff, would they play like an x-stiff or simply a little stiffer than typical? I like those shafts, but the stiff feels like a reg to me. 
 

Want to try my hand at building a combo set. Looking at TS1-IM long irons with TS3 or TS4 short irons, unless new info changes my mind. Thanks for any tips. 

On #1 the TS3 should be far more forgiving and be seated next to the TS-2

On #2 I'll be doing that exact iron shaft with the TS1M, TS4 and the TS3. I'll show the differences in CPM or flex for each head. Standard trim and standard length for 7 iron heads.  Won't be doing it till Thursday. 

I will also agree that the Score LT shafts always played a bit soft. 

[iamlowsound]

On 5/10/2023 at 9:57 PM, bekgolf said:

My TS-2 heads and Maltby Pro graphite shafts showed up today.  The iron heads (5 and 6 for now) are beautiful, much better looking than the catalogue pictures.  They are about .25" longer than the Apex 19 I currently play, the sole width is just a smidgen wider but nothing excessive.  Top line is thicker but I don't care about that.

 

Not sure what to do with the shafts.  By feel they feel a little stiffer than the Catalyst 80 6.0 in the Apex irons which are just about perfect to me flex wise.  Right now I'm thinking I'll soft step 2x but maybe just one, I have no way to really determine how they will play other than guesstimating them by feel in my hands.

 

I really hope these are the ones.  I love my Apex irons but I'd like just a tad bit more forgiveness.  I'll prep everything for length and target D2 or D3 for swing weight. 

I have the Maltby shaft in my driving iron and love it but it does play on the stiffer side. Feels like a Tensei Blue. I'm planning on getting them in a set of TS4 at some point this year. 

[iamlowsound]

On 5/9/2023 at 4:34 PM, Spinozist said:

Ok so I took the TS4 GW to the range. With the caveat that the shaft I'm testing in the GW is a bit lower torque than in the IMs, the TS4 feels great, and IMO blends well with the IMs. I didn’t hit a lot of balls, but compared to the IM, it seemed a) a little bit more feedback on mishits, b) a little bit less forgiving on mishits, and c) marginally different turf interaction. The overall feel reminded me a good deal of the OG TS1 GW and PW (which were solid, unlike the IMs), but essentially also still with a bit more feedback and less forgiveness, despite both being solid blades. None of this is surprising, which IMO is a good thing. Finally, I would personally say that those considering the TS4 in the mid or long irons should test a club for at least a few sessions before taking the plunge. At the moment, my ballstriking isn't consistent enough to go past PW. Both are stunners in the bag.

 Take all the feel and performance stuff with a bit of salt, as I’m just getting back into regular practice after a tough move and a consequent long layoff. 

Topline is the same between the IMs and the OGs and the 4s. The main visual difference is the finish. I think for those who play the OGs, there’s no need at all to get the IMs. However, I really just wanted to switch up the look, so I’m happy, and clubbuilding is a hobby, so I enjoy that as well.

I absolutely love the PW and GW in my OG TS1 irons so this sounds like a resounding endorsement of the TS4!

[iamlowsound]

On 5/11/2023 at 9:50 AM, SE Gamer said:

 

I've long played DG s300. The TT Score doesn't feel or perform significantly different for me. Outside of feeling lighter. Scratch player. But not super sensitive or OCD about chasing boutique specs. 

TT shafts all have a very specific feel and the score is no different. They fly higher than a S300 though. 

[bekgolf]

10 minutes ago, iamlowsound said:

I have the Maltby shaft in my driving iron and love it but it does play on the stiffer side. Feels like a Tensei Blue. I'm planning on getting them in a set of TS4 at some point this year. 

 

It's a different feel, I don't hate it but I'm not instantly liking it either.  Didn't have time for the range yesterday but did use it on course.  They came out to D0 after assembly and that could have something to do with it.  I've now lead taped them up to D3 and I like the feel better.

[iamlowsound]

13 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

It's a different feel, I don't hate it but I'm not instantly liking it either.  Didn't have time for the range yesterday but did use it on course.  They came out to D0 after assembly and that could have something to do with it.  I've now lead taped them up to D3 and I like the feel better.

They are a very smooth feeling shaft, which is different than if you are used to a TT shaft that is much harsher feeling. Did you build them at standard steel length or graphite length? Building them at steel length will make the swinging weight lower just due to the lighter weight. 

[Cwebb]

1 hour ago, dmeeksDC said:

A few questions that may or may not have been answered in this amazing 146-page thread. Long may it live!

 

1. For combo purposes, is this the order from most forgiving to most player: TS2, TS1, TS1-IM, TS3, TS4. 
 

2. With the hosel depth on the new models, if I went straight in with the Score LT shafts trimmed to stiff, would they play like an x-stiff or simply a little stiffer than typical? I like those shafts, but the stiff feels like a reg to me. 
 

Want to try my hand at building a combo set. Looking at TS1-IM long irons with TS3 or TS4 short irons, unless new info changes my mind. Thanks for any tips. 

 

The TS4 is going to be the choice for your shorter irons.  They have an Actual Vertical COG that more closely matches the TS1-IM.

 

I would only use the TS3 in the longer irons for a combo with the TS4,... or of course the option of a straight set of TS3's

[Double4me]

Question for you. I will be getting a KE4 Max and STi2 in 7 iron to compare the clubs. However here is my next dilema. I have always wanted to try out graphite shafts just to see if it does anything for me compared to steel. Since I am going to compare the KE4 Max and the STi2 would this also be a good time to try them in a graphite shaft?? Or is that adding too many variables. I was going to use either the MPF shafts or the TT Score LT. 

[bekgolf]

1 minute ago, iamlowsound said:

They are a very smooth feeling shaft, which is different than if you are used to a TT shaft that is much harsher feeling. Did you build them at standard steel length or graphite length? Building them at steel length will make the swinging weight lower just due to the lighter weight. 

 

I matched the length of my Apex 19 irons that have Catalyst 80 graphite.  Pre-assembly they were D2 with tip weights but after gluing came out to D0.  I think my mock up grip may need to have a slight weight increase. 

 

All I'm looking for is something as forgiving as the Apex but with just a little more blade length.  I have one Catalyst 80 shaft in my parts bin and might sacrifice it to see if it's worth pulling the Apex shafts.  I think the Apex are worth about the same with or without shafts.

 

I really wish I could still buy Catalyst 80 shafts.

[bekgolf]

11 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

 

I matched the length of my Apex 19 irons that have Catalyst 80 graphite.  Pre-assembly they were D2 with tip weights but after gluing came out to D0.  I think my mock up grip may need to have a slight weight increase. 

 

All I'm looking for is something as forgiving as the Apex but with just a little more blade length.  I have one Catalyst 80 shaft in my parts bin and might sacrifice it to see if it's worth pulling the Apex shafts.  I think the Apex are worth about the same with or without shafts.

 

I really wish I could still buy Catalyst 80 shafts.

 

Rookie mistake.  The mock up grip is 48g and the grips used weigh 57g.  I had purchased some clearance Tour Velvet Midsize that have white crosslines (never seen that before) and it turns out they weigh 57g, I had assumed they were 53g. 

 

To compound the error I thought the mock up grip was 51g.  Luckily it's only lead tape for a fix and I now know why those clearance GP TV grips were so cheap.  Lesson learned, weigh all components individually prior to use.  I'm thinking the lead tape will soften the shafts a little more so maybe it was a good mistake, lol.

[deepred]

5 hours ago, CyFan said:

I’d just like to say I hate this thread!  It has me drooling over the TS4s which won’t go over well with the war committee.  Played the MTF (precursor of the TE) years ago and really liked them.  Dang it all…

I feel your pain, I’ve bought a set of PTM’s and a set of TE’s this year and I’ve played one round.

[deepred]

2 hours ago, Double4me said:

Question for you. I will be getting a KE4 Max and STi2 in 7 iron to compare the clubs. However here is my next dilema. I have always wanted to try out graphite shafts just to see if it does anything for me compared to steel. Since I am going to compare the KE4 Max and the STi2 would this also be a good time to try them in a graphite shaft?? Or is that adding too many variables. I was going to use either the MPF shafts or the TT Score LT. 

The MPF plays stiff to flex the Score plays weak to flex. If, like me you have been a DG fan the MPF is probably better. If you like a more flexible tip the Score. 

[Grape]

17 hours ago, Redpro said:

I had the Fujikura Vista Pro 60 R-flex graphite shafts in my TS-3 irons. I weakened them 1 degree. Played a few rounds and the shafts felt stiffer to me. Club head felt dullish through the ball. Harsh.

 

Then, I read about the hosel bore depth here, and remembered when I built them, the shaft tip prep was 1-1/8" or slightly more, not including a 1/8" prep for the ferrule.

 

So, in true WRX fashion, I pulled the shafts and soft stepped them.

 

Went to the range today with them. They are a completely different club, so much better feel through the turf and trajectories just what I wanted. I have the 6-PW-GW.

 

I played the TS-1, feel was great, but just too demanding for me.

 

I'm 73 with 85 mph SS, and a 7.2 competition handicap.

 

 

I’m still confused on this. So I ordered the TS3s with regular flex Steelfibers, hard stepped, and they have been working great for me. Would they play stiffer flex given the bore depth issue here, or would golfworks have accounted for that when built?
 

Like I said working out great, just curious on the bore depth discussion as I’m a complete novice when it comes to club building. 

[deepred]

14 minutes ago, Grape said:

I’m still confused on this. So I ordered the TS3s with regular flex Steelfibers, hard stepped, and they have been working great for me. Would they play stiffer flex given the bore depth issue here, or would golfworks have accounted for that when built?
 

Like I said working out great, just curious on the bore depth discussion as I’m a complete novice when it comes to club building. 

Golfworks heads in general require longer shafts than most other brands. Longer shafts are in theory more flexible but the difference is slight and most golfers wouldn’t notice it. 

[deepred]

18 minutes ago, Grape said:

I’m still confused on this. So I ordered the TS3s with regular flex Steelfibers, hard stepped, and they have been working great for me. Would they play stiffer flex given the bore depth issue here, or would golfworks have accounted for that when built?
 

Like I said working out great, just curious on the bore depth discussion as I’m a complete novice when it comes to club building. 

To answer the rest of your question GW goes by the manufacturer recommendations for tip trimming. 

[Mako J]

3 hours ago, iamlowsound said:

I have the Maltby shaft in my driving iron and love it but it does play on the stiffer side. Feels like a Tensei Blue. I'm planning on getting them in a set of TS4 at some point this year. 

Is it true the MPF shafts have graphics on both sides? Are you able to share some pictures?

[Popeye64]

36 minutes ago, Grape said:

I’m still confused on this. So I ordered the TS3s with regular flex Steelfibers, hard stepped, and they have been working great for me. Would they play stiffer flex given the bore depth issue here, or would golfworks have accounted for that when built?
 

Like I said working out great, just curious on the bore depth discussion as I’m a complete novice when it comes to club building. 

If your setup is working don't give it another thought. 

Next week I'll do some comparisons between some steel shafts and then do some R flex and S flex RTi shafts. 

Not all shafts will react the same and show big changes in flex. 

There is also a minor chance I made a massive error somehow when I built my set. 

My comparisons will either prove or dispell the notion. 

But honestly don't over think it. If your clubs work let em rip. 

[bekgolf]

1 hour ago, Mako J said:

Is it true the MPF shafts have graphics on both sides? Are you able to share some pictures?

 

I reported a logo on each side but the large logo is on one side and a smaller print "Maltby Playability Factor" 180* away.

 

 

 

[Mako J]

Cool. I can live with that. Thanks!

[iamlowsound]

1 hour ago, Mako J said:

Cool. I can live with that. Thanks!

I have the small logo up on mine. However, note that for Maltby shafts they are "100% frequency tested in both the 90° and 0° shaft planes for perfect shaft oscillation" aka they pure them and mark them so you should follow the markings for how they are installed. Mine just happened to be logo down. 

[bekgolf]

24 minutes ago, iamlowsound said:

I have the small logo up on mine. However, note that for Maltby shafts they are "100% frequency tested in both the 90° and 0° shaft planes for perfect shaft oscillation" aka they pure them and mark them so you should follow the markings for how they are installed. Mine just happened to be logo down. 

 

I didn't notice any mark but I wasn't looking for one either.  Looking at the butt sections that were cut off sure enough there is a white and orange mark 90* apart.  They are both marked in the same spot on the cut ends, ie they go through the part number sticker and manufaturer part number.

 

I was guessing that checked at 0* and 90* meant the shafts would be the same no matter where they were installed.  I got that one wrong.

[sm_watts]

8 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

A few questions that may or may not have been answered in this amazing 146-page thread. Long may it live!

 

1. For combo purposes, is this the order from most forgiving to most player: TS2, TS1, TS1-IM, TS3, TS4. 
 

I read the entire post a few weeks ago while sitting on the couch with pneumonia.  It was a gripping tale with many twists and turns... and now I have a set of TS3's with Rapid Taper shafts! 🤣

 

In response to the order - I have found the TS3's to be more forgiving than anything else I have played in the last few years (Miz921F, i210, Miz921HMP, Bridgestone J40DPC- yep, you heard me, Eye 2+, even the Cleveland Launcher XL's).

[ChaosTheory]

11 hours ago, IAGolfer37 said:

Hi guys,

 

I'm thinking of updating my clubs to either the STi2s or TS2s. I'm currently using the titanium/tungsten Callaway big Bertha irons from '97. I usually shoot in the low 90s/high 80s and hit my 7 iron around 150yds. I hit my FILs old Mizuno MX-19s the other day and was really surprised how forgiving they were on mishits, but they launched even higher than my clubs and I lost done distance. Anyways, it made me wonder if I'm missing out by using really old clubs, even if they were nice in their day. Any thoughts/advice? 

 

-Callaway specs: .7 COG, 9ish MOI, 1.6ish C dimension

I have both the original STi irons and TS2.  They are both very forgiving but the TS2 is even better, of the two.  I am not a guy who tries a lot of irons, so I don’t know how unusual the level of forgiveness and performance is, but I find the TS2’s to be awesome.

 

 

[Mako J]

1 hour ago, iamlowsound said:

I have the small logo up on mine. However, note that for Maltby shafts they are "100% frequency tested in both the 90° and 0° shaft planes for perfect shaft oscillation" aka they pure them and mark them so you should follow the markings for how they are installed. Mine just happened to be logo down. 

I wonder if you can request hand selected logo down “pured” shafts at a cost similar to hand selected heads?

[mstuewe]

gonna do a little experiment with a TS3 5-iron with a hzrdus black 6.5 hybrid shaft.  I play one in my g425 4 hybrid and love it, but have too much of a gap between my set 5 iron and 4 hybrid.  hoping this better blends the gap between 4 and 6 iron and gives more forgiveness than my current TS1's.  If this goes well, then im not sure what to do for 6-9 iron, possibly TS4's.

Edited May 14, 2023 by mstuewe

[Redpro]

6 hours ago, Grape said:

I’m still confused on this. So I ordered the TS3s with regular flex Steelfibers, hard stepped, and they have been working great for me. Would they play stiffer flex given the bore depth issue here, or would golfworks have accounted for that when built?
 

Like I said working out great, just curious on the bore depth discussion as I’m a complete novice when it comes to club building. 

I play my irons 1/2" short, so that may be the reason they felt stiffer to me. It may have been in my head, but soft-stepping them 1x helped change the feel enough for me to love them.

 

If your set up is working for you, then play on my friend!

[Colej]

1 hour ago, Mako J said:

I wonder if you can request hand selected logo down “pured” shafts at a cost similar to hand selected heads?

I would think the difference would be negligible. For a RH golfer logo goes up and the most stable plane goes on the target line, at the target. If you were LH the logo would go down and the stable plane would go towards the target. As long as the orientation is logo up or down, I’d think you should be good. 

[Klubster]

1 hour ago, Mako J said:

I wonder if you can request hand selected logo down “pured” shafts at a cost similar to hand selected heads?

Those shafts are not "pured", but frequency tested at 0 and 90 degree planes.  If those planes match closely, the orientation of the shaft should really not matter much.  Maltby does this in the MPF and Rapport shafts.  The marks on the shaft do not necessarily align with the logo just as with a pured shaft.

[dmeeksDC]

19 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

On #1 the TS3 should be far more forgiving and be seated next to the TS-2

On #2 I'll be doing that exact iron shaft with the TS1M, TS4 and the TS3. I'll show the differences in CPM or flex for each head. Standard trim and standard length for 7 iron heads.  Won't be doing it till Thursday. 

I will also agree that the Score LT shafts always played a bit soft. 

Thanks much Popeye. Very interesting that the TS3 is more forgiving than all but the TS2. 
 

I’ll await what you find CPM-wise with the Score LT shafts. Am hoping a straight stiff install will play a little stiffer as that could be perfect with that particular shaft. 
 

Am thinking a TS3/TS4 combo would be fun to build. 
 

11 hours ago, sm_watts said:

I read the entire post a few weeks ago while sitting on the couch with pneumonia.  It was a gripping tale with many twists and turns... and now I have a set of TS3's with Rapid Taper shafts! 🤣

 

In response to the order - I have found the TS3's to be more forgiving than anything else I have played in the last few years (Miz921F, i210, Miz921HMP, Bridgestone J40DPC- yep, you heard me, Eye 2+, even the Cleveland Launcher XL's).

Glad you’re feeling better. High praise for the TS3 given your list. I think they look great. It is sort of difficult to tell the differences between the TS3 and TS4, but they look like they can combo well.

Edited May 14, 2023 by dmeeksDC