Maltby TS2

[PowerCobra98]

Just came back to say TS3 are amazing in every way.  That is all.  😛

[brew4eagle]

Reading some of the experiences of bore depth and resulting stiffness effects has me thinking about trying a reshaft for my TS3s.  I've tried selling them, but haven't had any luck.  Maybe I'll buy a Score LT shaft and give it a try in my 7 iron.  Will be patient and wait for @Popeye64 to post the frequency results to see if the bore depth/shaft frequency relationship can be unraveled before I decide on tipping amount.

[brew4eagle]

Went to a more industrial look for the KE4 hybrid sole paint...

[5 O'Clock Charlie]

Lots of honeymoons appear to be over. Seeing TS3 irons and used for 1 round KE4 Tour TC woods in the BST. Gotta give them more time than that people!

[Grape]

6 minutes ago, 5 O'Clock Charlie said:

Lots of honeymoons appear to be over. Seeing TS3 irons and used for 1 round KE4 Tour TC woods in the BST. Gotta give them more time than that people!

My TS3s aren’t going anywhere!! Already beat my low round from last season. Can’t say enough good things. 

[Vince24L]

How much should I tell Golfworks to soft tip my Kuro Kage S shafts in my TS3's to offset the bore depth causes over stiffness? I'd like to get them to be somewhat close to my nippon 105 S stiffness. Generally.

[deepred]

2 hours ago, Vince24L said:

How much should I tell Golfworks to soft tip my Kuro Kage S shafts in my TS3's to offset the bore depth causes over stiffness? I'd like to get them to be somewhat close to my nippon 105 S stiffness. Generally.

I operate on the theory they know more than we do so tell the csr what you want and let them give it to you. A couple cpm is indistinguishable to all but the most sensitive of players. 

[sm_watts]

3 hours ago, Vince24L said:

How much should I tell Golfworks to soft tip my Kuro Kage S shafts in my TS3's to offset the bore depth causes over stiffness? I'd like to get them to be somewhat close to my nippon 105 S stiffness. Generally.

It really is hard to say, especially between shafts brands.  I can tell you that I was expecting to hard-step my Rapid Taper x1, but ended up going normal and they are just fine.

[sm_watts]

5 hours ago, 5 O'Clock Charlie said:

Lots of honeymoons appear to be over. Seeing TS3 irons and used for 1 round KE4 Tour TC woods in the BST. Gotta give them more time than that people!

I see one set on the BST.  Mine aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and the irons that kick them out are going to have to be pretty incredible!

[Vince24L]

Well.. after weeks of researching I called to order. Even though there is an option for the TS3 Kuro Kage pak on their website in stiff, they said its on backorder till July. They said unless I wanted the TT shaft, I would have to individually buy every shaft and every grip which even with a $30 shaft would end up being like $300+ more.

 

Disappointing. 

[Buschlight]

Does anyone have a report for the ts1 im's? Ready to get a set built with the dynamic gold 120s. These irons interest me with the overall look, tech and so called off the charts forgiveness. Currently my gamers are the 2019 T100 sticks. Wouldn't mind hearing a report before i order.

[propman]

5 hours ago, Vince24L said:

Well.. after weeks of researching I called to order. Even though there is an option for the TS3 Kuro Kage pak on their website in stiff, they said its on backorder till July. They said unless I wanted the TT shaft, I would have to individually buy every shaft and every grip which even with a $30 shaft would end up being like $300+ more.

 

Disappointing. 

I find this surprising. Ask for Mark Masters. He always has been willing to substitute shafts and grips in the clubpaks. Of course, gots to pony up the difference in price, if there is one.

[Klubster]

5 hours ago, Vince24L said:

Well.. after weeks of researching I called to order. Even though there is an option for the TS3 Kuro Kage pak on their website in stiff, they said its on backorder till July. They said unless I wanted the TT shaft, I would have to individually buy every shaft and every grip which even with a $30 shaft would end up being like $300+ more.

 

Disappointing. 

I priced them with the Rapport Core Blue ($35 shaft) and it came in at $769 or about $170 more.  $80 more in shaft cost, so it costs you $90 over pak price.  A $30 shaft should knock off $40.

[Klubster]

5 minutes ago, propman said:

I find this surprising. Ask for Mark Masters. He always has been willing to substitute shafts and grips in the clubpaks. Of course, gots to pony up the difference in price, if there is one.

I know for certain they will sub grips and charge the difference.  i have read that they will sub a shaft that they use in other paks, so the Rapport or Maltby MPF may be an option.

[Popeye64]

Long story short. My TS3 built set is a disaster. Everything about the set is off. I'm convinced on the night I built my TS3s I suffered from mild retardation. Ok I may have been drinking. 

 

Building a set of clubs when your mind has departed the building.... will show  MASSIVE increases in CPM. I'm just glad the set wasn't meant for someone else. 

Early testing is inconclusive. 

I need to do more testing with a few more hosel heights but overall it seems to be a non issue. i don't have an ideal collection of heads right now. The testing seems to show a minimal increase in stiffness. But not enough to cause concern.  Building the set to proper swingweight will create the correct flex needed. 

I have some heads coming in the first of the week and will delve deeper. 

The increase if any appears to be minimal. 

[bekgolf]

17 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

Long story short. My TS3 built set is a disaster. Everything about the set is off. I'm convinced on the night I built my TS3s I suffered from mild retardation. Ok I may have been drinking. 

 

Building a set of clubs when your mind has departed the building.... will show  MASSIVE increases in CPM. I'm just glad the set wasn't meant for someone else. 

Early testing is inconclusive. 

I need to do more testing with a few more hosel heights but overall it seems to be a non issue. i don't have an ideal collection of heads right now. The testing seems to show a minimal increase in stiffness. But not enough to cause concern.  Building the set to proper swingweight will create the correct flex needed. 

I have some heads coming in the first of the week and will delve deeper. 

The increase if any appears to be minimal. 

Maybe I missed it but what shafts did you use?  Thanks.

[Vince24L]

I am going to give them a call back today and see what they say.

 

If it doesn't work out, I might just go with the DBM Pak.

I know they'll play pretty short and cannot change the lofts but they look amazing.

 

-Are the DBMs tough to play? The COG is low like the TS3s. Is it close to as forgiving?

 

-How does the UST Mamiya Recoil S shaft compare to the Nippon 105 S? Small soft tip to get it closer to the same?

 

Thank you all in here for the help.

[deepred]

14 hours ago, Vince24L said:

Well.. after weeks of researching I called to order. Even though there is an option for the TS3 Kuro Kage pak on their website in stiff, they said its on backorder till July. They said unless I wanted the TT shaft, I would have to individually buy every shaft and every grip which even with a $30 shaft would end up being like $300+ more.

 

Disappointing. 

The Aldila NV shafts are available as low as $24 depending on weight and flex. 

[5 O'Clock Charlie]

1 hour ago, Vince24L said:

I might just go with the DBM Pak.

I know they'll play pretty short and cannot change the lofts but they look amazing.

-Are the DBMs tough to play? The COG is low like the TS3s. Is it close to as forgiving?

-How does the UST Mamiya Recoil S shaft compare to the Nippon 105 S? Small soft tip to get it closer to the same?

 

 

I have not played the TS3, but I have the DBM and they are not difficult to play at all. I find them to be extremely consistent, distance wise, and the feel is really good with the following caveats -

 

For me they are about 1/2 club shorter than anything else I have played recently with *similar shafts* (i200, i210, NL 623-CB, even an old set of Maxfli Austrailian Blades). Also, if you hit the toe on this club, it will certainly let you know about it.

 

That's all I have to say against this club really, and that is what you would expect right? It's not a tech package, so the forgiveness will be what cavity offers.

 

As far as the Nippon vs the Recoil, I have played both, just not the weights you mentioned. My DBM's have the Nippon 1150GH shafts (.355) and I have a set of New Levels with Recoil 95's, both in Stiff. I find the feel of the recoils to be slightly smoother, but they are both great feeling shafts. I can also flight the ball down easier with the recoil for some reason, even though it is lighter and the head design of the New Level iron has a wider sole. If I do recoil again, I will go heavier (110) because I suffered some dispersion issues after about 10 rounds of testing.

 

My advice - don't settle. If you want the TS3's you should get the TS3's and not something else because of the delay.

[Vince24L]

Thank you Charlie.

 

Reallyyy starting to like the DMB. Thin top line and that finish is gorgeous. I don't care if the clubs play short I can adjust. I'm not too proud to play a club or two off of everyone else as long as I'm closer to the pin.

 

I notice there is no TE on the 'Playability Chart' on Maltby's site. Is the PTM the same? I thought they were much different?

 

 

The nice women I talked to at Golfworks was great but she didn't have much understanding technically to give me the answers. So I'm sorry to be bugging you guys who know all this.

[NRJyzr]

2 hours ago, Vince24L said:

I know they'll play pretty short

 

They're not actually short, unless they push you into a range of unusable launch conditions, when combined with your game. 

 

Golfers need to divorce themselves from the idea that the club number has any meaning.  A 37* club is a 37* club, regardless of what someone stamped on the sole.  The current irons marketplace is essentially a return to the early 90s and the King Cobra irons; selling through ego stroking.

 

[ghostrunner33]

Anyone playing the new irons with the Maltby MPF Pro Series iron shafts? Have the hybrid version in a KE4 FDI and enjoy it. Thinking of going with a set of TS3s w/ the pro series shaft.

[Flacoman]

53 minutes ago, ghostrunner33 said:

Anyone playing the new irons with the Maltby MPF Pro Series iron shafts? Have the hybrid version in a KE4 FDI and enjoy it. Thinking of going with a set of TS3s w/ the pro series shaft.

I have them in a set of TS2's . The are a tick stiffer than advertised, but I picked A flex to compensate.  Very good value , very good shaft.

[Thornbrugh]

2 hours ago, 5 O'Clock Charlie said:

 

I have not played the TS3, but I have the DBM and they are not difficult to play at all. I find them to be extremely consistent, distance wise, and the feel is really good with the following caveats -

 

For me they are about 1/2 club shorter than anything else I have played recently with *similar shafts* (i200, i210, NL 623-CB, even an old set of Maxfli Austrailian Blades). Also, if you hit the toe on this club, it will certainly let you know about it.

 

That's all I have to say against this club really, and that is what you would expect right? It's not a tech package, so the forgiveness will be what cavity offers.

 

As far as the Nippon vs the Recoil, I have played both, just not the weights you mentioned. My DBM's have the Nippon 1150GH shafts (.355) and I have a set of New Levels with Recoil 95's, both in Stiff. I find the feel of the recoils to be slightly smoother, but they are both great feeling shafts. I can also flight the ball down easier with the recoil for some reason, even though it is lighter and the head design of the New Level iron has a wider sole. If I do recoil again, I will go heavier (110) because I suffered some dispersion issues after about 10 rounds of testing.

 

My advice - don't settle. If you want the TS3's you should get the TS3's and not something else because of the delay.

On the DBMs being 1/2 club shorter with same shafts… is that also matching lofts? My DBMs arrived yesterday and I have been playing NL 902 OS and AP3s which are both strong lofts so I am expecting that my DBM 9 iron will be about the same distance as my current PW. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Thornbrugh

[5 O'Clock Charlie]

14 minutes ago, Thornbrugh said:

On the DBMs being 1/2 club shorter with same shafts… is that also matching lofts? My DBMs arrived yesterday and I have been playing NL 902 OS and AP3s which are both strong lofts so I am expecting that my DBM 9 iron will be about the same distance as my current PW. 

 

That's what I was finding as well. Hit 9 in the DBM where I hit PW in my New Level 623. 

They both have a PW loft of 46.

 

It's not a full club short by any means, but just noticeable enough. I love the DBM's and if my TS4 experiment goes south, I will just continue to use them as they are proven performers for me.

[brew4eagle]

3 hours ago, Vince24L said:

Thank you Charlie.

 

Reallyyy starting to like the DMB. Thin top line and that finish is gorgeous. I don't care if the clubs play short I can adjust. I'm not too proud to play a club or two off of everyone else as long as I'm closer to the pin.

 

I notice there is no TE on the 'Playability Chart' on Maltby's site. Is the PTM the same? I thought they were much different?

 

 

The nice women I talked to at Golfworks was great but she didn't have much understanding technically to give me the answers. So I'm sorry to be bugging you guys who know all this.

Edit- there is no TE playability chart, but it can found in the head listings under Maltby here- https://www.golfworks.com/head-mpf-ratings/   fwiw- I have the TS3 and DBM, and much prefer the DBM so far.

Edited May 18, 2023 by brew4eagle

[Gdashoff]

11 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Long story short. My TS3 built set is a disaster. Everything about the set is off. I'm convinced on the night I built my TS3s I suffered from mild retardation. Ok I may have been drinking. 

So out of curiosity do you know what went wrong?  It is fun to tinker with clubs but without a swingweight scale I'm wondering how off they might be.  Normally just glue and go and assume the mistake is my terrible swing.

[Klubster]

20 hours ago, Vince24L said:

Well.. after weeks of researching I called to order. Even though there is an option for the TS3 Kuro Kage pak on their website in stiff, they said its on backorder till July. They said unless I wanted the TT shaft, I would have to individually buy every shaft and every grip which even with a $30 shaft would end up being like $300+ more.

 

Disappointing. 

Found this on the Maltby forum

 

"

I think it’s just an issue with the new system and we are working on it.  Eventually I am hopeful you will be able to do what you used to.  In the mean time, there is a way we can get it done.  If you will e-mail Kevin French at kfrench@golfworks.com and tell him exactly what you want, he can key it in as a component order with the pack adjusted pricing. He can then contact you for payment info, etc.

Apologies for the inconvenience of having to do it this way for now, but we appreciate your business, and patience.

Britt Lindsey"

[sm_watts]

7 hours ago, Vince24L said:

-Are the DBMs tough to play? The COG is low like the TS3s. Is it close to as forgiving?

 

This isn't an apples to apples comparison, but I've owned both DBM's and TS3's.  I bought the DBM's used with TT Elevate shafts and they just did not work for me.  I don't know if it was the combination of that shaft/head, or that head with a sweeper swing, but I had way too much spun and lost massive distance - we're talking about the PW going from 125 yards down to 90.  However, they look great and had tight dispersion.

I love the TS3's so far with nothing bad to say about the combination of these heads with the rapid taper shafts.

[Popeye64]

3 hours ago, Gdashoff said:

So out of curiosity do you know what went wrong?  It is fun to tinker with clubs but without a swingweight scale I'm wondering how off they might be.  Normally just glue and go and assume the mistake is my terrible swing.

It's almost as if my trimming was off by an inch. The clubs came out so strong. Add to that the extremely low swing weight and they are just way off. Rapid Taper shafts because of their construction need help swing weighting. Steel shafts for the most part are very easy and often require little to no weight. 

I've already pulled all the heads and will start from scratch. 

I may even build a TS3/Score LT combo for the hell of it.