Maltby TS2

[SE Gamer]

10 hours ago, Grape said:

Question for TS3 users. With the PW and GW at 44 and 48, respectively, curious how you are rounding out your bags. With the lofts as they are I am carrying a 52 and 56, kicking out the lob wedge or 3 wood depending on the course. Would like to hear how you’re set up. 

Not playing the TS3. But my PW and AW currently are the same lofts you call out. Traditionally, I played 52/56/60. Opted to go 53/58 and so far this season's been great. Opened up a spot at the top of my bag. Just need to figure out what to stick in that slot.

[sm_watts]

On 5/22/2023 at 10:03 PM, omegafett said:

I have a TS3 6i head for sale. Used for 1 round and <100 indoor simulator swings.

I sent you a PM, you can send it my way 😃

[Grape]

8 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

Not playing the TS3. But my PW and AW currently are the same lofts you call out. Traditionally, I played 52/56/60. Opted to go 53/58 and so far this season's been great. Opened up a spot at the top of my bag. Just need to figure out what to stick in that slot.

That might be something I explore. Switching to the TS3s I added the set GW, but as a result am losing a spot at the top or bottom of the bag. 

[Popeye64]

11 hours ago, AzSuperHack76 said:

Hey Popeye, do you have any head comparisons pictures of the TS2 vs TS3? Top line and sole specifically? Thanks! 

Here you go. The Top line of the TS2 is bigger. The sole of the TS3 is ever so slightly wider. TS3 has a bit more rocker front to back. 

Sole photos TS3 is on the right. Top line it's on the left. 

[NRJyzr]

10 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

Personally, as far as choosing goes, I think the IM makes the most sense. Played blades for the past 15+ years. Scratch, but I'm no tour pro. Came to the realization that the players who have the most to gain from tech/forgiveness are players like me (low handicaps). My misses aren't huge. But with a blade, they still are punitive. With a head that's got a little more forgiveness, the slight misses turn out much better. 

 

Something that's often missed in these sort of discussions....  blades have MOI, too.  Most blades of today are not the blades of the 50s, with a CG barely off the hosel and close to 1" vertically.

 

Since this is a Maltby thread, TS-1M vs TS4....

 

Both of these clubheads have a C dimension that's within 0.001" of each other.  The TS4 has a slightly lower CG, about 1/40th of an inch lower.  Their MOI is almost identical.

 

Any miss you have with the 4 is going to see almost the exact same amount of clubhead twist as you'd see from the 1M.  There would be no appreciable distance difference.

 

The only real variable is the hollow clubhead.  The marketing blather from all the companies try to hint at the high COR helping with mishits, but I've yet to see any data that supports that.  And likely never will, LOL.  Additionally, you're scratch, I rather doubt you're going to be going so far afield on the clubface that any such possible assistance would be necessary.

 

TLDR, in the Maltby world, there's really no forgiveness difference in these two clubheads.  You should be able to play the blade the same as you would a TS-1 or TS-1M.  

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by NRJyzr

[sevenputts]

Anybody playing the TS4.. Does the super game improvement Maltby mpf rating hold true ? Are they forgiving ? 

[SE Gamer]

2 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Something that's often missed in these sort of discussions....  blades have MOI, too.  Most blades of today are not the blades of the 50s, with a CG barely off the hosel and close to 1" vertically.

 

Since this is a Maltby thread, TS-1M vs TS4....

 

Both of these clubheads have a C dimension that's within 0.001" of each other.  The TS4 has a slightly lower CG, about 1/40th of an inch lower.  Their MOI is almost identical.

 

Any miss you have with the 4 is going to see almost the exact same amount of clubhead twist as you'd see from the 1M.  There would be no appreciable distance difference.

 

The only real variable is the hollow clubhead.  The marketing blather from all the companies try to hint at the high COR helping with mishits, but I've yet to see any data that supports that.  And likely never will, LOL.  Additionally, you're scratch, I rather doubt you're going to be going so far afield on the clubface that any such possible assistance would be necessary.

 

TLDR, in the Maltby world, there's really no forgiveness difference in these two clubheads.  You should be able to play the blade the same as you would a TS-1 or TS-1M.  

 

 

I'd agree there's a good bit of truth in your position. I can say that firsthand, having switched from blades to a PD type iron this year, my misses are definitely better with the PD irons. Now, is it remarkably different? No. But it is noticeable. The blades I retired are around 15 years old. But were at the forefront of forging tech when they were made (5 step process). And having hit them against the current offerings from Mizuno, Callaway, and TM. They still stack up pretty evenly. 

[Cwebb]

58 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

I'd agree there's a good bit of truth in your position. I can say that firsthand, having switched from blades to a PD type iron this year, my misses are definitely better with the PD irons. Now, is it remarkably different? No. But it is noticeable. The blades I retired are around 15 years old. But were at the forefront of forging tech when they were made (5 step process). And having hit them against the current offerings from Mizuno, Callaway, and TM. They still stack up pretty evenly. 

 

Have you considered a combo set with the TS4 short irons with TS1-M longer irons?  You probably don't need a 9 iron with a higher COR face

[Bryceslu]

1 hour ago, SE Gamer said:

 

I'd agree there's a good bit of truth in your position. I can say that firsthand, having switched from blades to a PD type iron this year, my misses are definitely better with the PD irons. Now, is it remarkably different? No. But it is noticeable. The blades I retired are around 15 years old. But were at the forefront of forging tech when they were made (5 step process). And having hit them against the current offerings from Mizuno, Callaway, and TM. They still stack up pretty evenly. 

I think a big part of his ideology is that maltby makes a different blade type iron (ts4) that has the dimensions of playability. In theory making the ts4 more playable/forgiving than other brands and similar to the hollow ts1im. 
 

someone would have to have some serious side by side comparisons of the ts4/ts1im with same shaft and with plenty of bad swings thrown in for a real world test. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Bryceslu

[NRJyzr]

15 minutes ago, Bryceslu said:

I think a big part of his ideology is that maltby makes a different blade type iron (ts4) that has the dimensions of playability. In theory making the ts4 more playable/forgiving than other brands and similar to the hollow ts1im. 
 

someone would have to have some serious side by side comparisons of the ts4/ts1im with same shaft and with plenty of bad swings thrown in for a real world test. 

 

It's actually not intrinsic to Maltby designs, there are plenty of blades with similar characteristics.  I largely chose the TS4 because it had an essentially identical C Dimension.  <shrug>

 

There are plenty of blades in the last 20 years that have had a similar, or even higher, MOI than the TS4.  Or even older, the 68 Wilson Dynapower blade fits the description.

 

Sometimes folks see a cavity in the back and think the forgiveness increase is automatic...  <shrug>

 

[Klubster]

For those that have been put off buying a single club, this is as close to a free trial club as you can get.  Saw on GW site.

"JimY 

· 5 days ago  

 

You can order just the TS1 or TS1 IM #7 iron head and the Score LT (TT0100) and grip and have it assembled to your specifications. If you are interested in the Club Pak I would suggest calling Customer Service at 1-800-848-8358 and place your order for the 7 iron. Tell them that if you like it you want to come back and get the rest of the set in the Club Pak. They can work with you and will put a note in your account so that you can get the Pak price."

[Cwebb]

2 hours ago, sevenputts said:

Anybody playing the TS4.. Does the super game improvement Maltby mpf rating hold true ? Are they forgiving ? 

 

What does "super game improvement" mean to you?  The Golfworks and Maltby have a formula to arrive at their categories, where other companies really don't....or at least they don't publish what their criteria is.  Most seem to do it based on the size and appearance of the iron.

 

The first thing to consider is, do you believe that it's possible for a muscleback "blade" to be easier to hit than a large cavity-back?

[AZstu324]

16 minutes ago, Bryceslu said:

I think a big part of his ideology is that maltby makes a different blade type iron (ts4) that has the dimensions of playability. In theory making the ts4 more playable/forgiving than other brands and similar to the hollow ts1im. 
 

someone would have to have some serious side by side comparisons of the ts4/ts1im with same shaft and with plenty of bad swings thrown in for a real world test. 

I'll interject on what I've experienced so far with the TS4s and 1st gen TS1. Of course to be taken with a grain of salt. 

 

To start off, I was initially considering a blended set of TS1 IM and TS4 for the same reason most consider a blended set. Aesthetically and by assumption, I was just expecting more forgiveness from the IM's and more workability from the TS4's. Well I posted a question about the blended set and gapping on the Maltby forum and was more/less talked out of it (I think by Britt if I recall). 

 

My experience with the OG was that it was fairly forgiving, mid launching, mid spinning, and had the resemblance of a blade - ish profile. I loved everything about it! 

 

I know the TS1 IM is supposed to be a subtle improvement in playability but major in aesthetics from what I've read. 

 

The TS4 seemed even easier to hit and control than the prior TS1. Flight and spin were noticeably higher, but carry distance was nearly identical to the TS1 (maybe a hair further) and with much better stopping ability for control. IMO the only benefit anyone would gain from a split set of these 2 is the possible visual confidence of a thicker top line and fractionally longer blade length of the TS1-IM. 

 

Also IMO, the split set with more benefits would be the TS3 + TS1-IM or TS4. 

 

Hopefully that made ANY sense😋 

[Popeye64]

The TS1M supplies are dwindling so I canceled the ser I ordered. The 8i and the 5i are out. 

Spending more time on course I confirmed for myself that I like the TS1m ove the TS4. But with that said.... I'm not sure anything can knock out the KE4 Max. Dull and non sexy the KE4s still perform...

[5 O'Clock Charlie]

5 hours ago, sevenputts said:

Anybody playing the TS4.. Does the super game improvement Maltby mpf rating hold true ? Are they forgiving ? 

 

Having gamed them, as well as ample practice sessions, I find them to be extremely forgiving for the class that they are in. I think @NRJyzr summed it up best above with the technical aspect of the 2.

I've played both the DBM as well as the original TS-1's. I find the 4's to be more forgiving on mis hits than the DBM, in both feel and results. They also perform similar on mis-hits to the original TS-1's in my experience.

Edited May 24, 2023 by 5 O'Clock Charlie

[Cwebb]

3 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

The TS1M supplies are dwindling so I canceled the ser I ordered. The 8i and the 5i are out. 

Spending more time on course I confirmed for myself that I like the TS1m ove the TS4. But with that said.... I'm not sure anything can knock out the KE4 Max. Dull and non sexy the KE4s still perform...

 

The most inopportune season to go out of stock, when they just released them within the month.  The tribulations of a smaller company

Edited May 25, 2023 by Cwebb

[AzSuperHack76]

9 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Here you go. The Top line of the TS2 is bigger. The sole of the TS3 is ever so slightly wider. TS3 has a bit more rocker front to back. 

Sole photos TS3 is on the right. Top line it's on the left. 

Thanks Popeye! 

[AUswimKC]

57 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

The TS1M supplies are dwindling so I canceled the ser I ordered. The 8i and the 5i are out. 

Spending more time on course I confirmed for myself that I like the TS1m ove the TS4. But with that said.... I'm not sure anything can knock out the KE4 Max. Dull and non sexy the KE4s still perform...

How are the TS3 now that you have built them correctly?

 

you were going to do another shootout or something if I remember right?

[dmeeksDC]

3 hours ago, AZstu324 said:

I'll interject on what I've experienced so far with the TS4s and 1st gen TS1. Of course to be taken with a grain of salt. 

 

To start off, I was initially considering a blended set of TS1 IM and TS4 for the same reason most consider a blended set. Aesthetically and by assumption, I was just expecting more forgiveness from the IM's and more workability from the TS4's. Well I posted a question about the blended set and gapping on the Maltby forum and was more/less talked out of it (I think by Britt if I recall). 

 

My experience with the OG was that it was fairly forgiving, mid launching, mid spinning, and had the resemblance of a blade - ish profile. I loved everything about it! 

 

I know the TS1 IM is supposed to be a subtle improvement in playability but major in aesthetics from what I've read. 

 

The TS4 seemed even easier to hit and control than the prior TS1. Flight and spin were noticeably higher, but carry distance was nearly identical to the TS1 (maybe a hair further) and with much better stopping ability for control. IMO the only benefit anyone would gain from a split set of these 2 is the possible visual confidence of a thicker top line and fractionally longer blade length of the TS1-IM. 

 

Also IMO, the split set with more benefits would be the TS3 + TS1-IM or TS4. 

 

Hopefully that made ANY sense😋 

It does make sense even if it makes it even harder to decide!

 

The set I was thinking of is TS3 or a combo of TS3/TS4. It does not seem like there is any major advantage to the TS1-IM over the TS3/4. The analysis by @NRJyzr is very interesting. It does appear from Maltby’s measurements that the TS3 will launch a little higher than the others with its slightly lower CG but overall the TS3 and TS4 appear pretty similar.
 

At the same time, I don’t know that there is any advantage to a combo over a full set of TS3 as it is the most forgiving head in the lineup. Even if it’s by degrees, it may show up in the longer irons. Plus, the Maltby pak prices are good for full sets but they don’t offer combo paks on the site. 

[Popeye64]

2 hours ago, AUswimKC said:

How are the TS3 now that you have built them correctly?

 

you were going to do another shootout or something if I remember right?

The TS3s have the TT Score shafts. I played Sunday and had an excellent round. TS3s were solid. Normal course not too punishing.  Monday I played at an elite course that was played from the tips. The rough was brutal and there was a premium on distance. I brought the TS3s and struggled mightily. 

I took a chance and got killed. I should have played the KE4s. I was constantly about a half club short. Even trying to club up out of the rough I just struggled. 

I've done some data collection on the TS3, TS4 and the TS1M. All the numbers were very close. It was an unofficial shoot out as I had more going on. Basically it's going to come down to personal preference. Mine right now is the TS1M. It keeps being a standout. 

[Popeye64]

3 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

The most inopportune season to go out of stock, when they just released them within the month.  The tribulations of a smaller company

They are completely overwhelmed. Shipping is a mess. M890 shafts and Pro Series shafts are almost all out of stock. Sales are way up but they are totally unprepared. 

This week on two different days I spent 28 minutes and then 29 minutes on customer service calls trying to get orders straightened out and or shipped. 

[Cameron Circle T]

1 hour ago, Popeye64 said:

They are completely overwhelmed. Shipping is a mess. M890 shafts and Pro Series shafts are almost all out of stock. Sales are way up but they are totally unprepared. 

This week on two different days I spent 28 minutes and then 29 minutes on customer service calls trying to get orders straightened out and or shipped. 

They're managing to do an incredible job though. Props to them. I did handpicks on TS1-IM's on Friday afternoon. I got a call Monday morning giving me the weights they picked (nailed 2 spot on, the 5 iron they only had one 2 grams heavier than I wanted, but I said OK). Had them in hand this afternoon via regular shipping.

[Cwebb]

47 minutes ago, Cameron Circle T said:

They're managing to do an incredible job though. Props to them. I did handpicks on TS1-IM's on Friday afternoon. I got a call Monday morning giving me the weights they picked (nailed 2 spot on, the 5 iron they only had one 2 grams heavier than I wanted, but I said OK). Had them in hand this afternoon via regular shipping.

 

You can drill those extra 2 grams out of the bottom of the hosel

[Cameron Circle T]

 

16 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

You can drill those extra 2 grams out of the bottom of the hosel

Is there enough room there? I know the bbgm is pretty short on these heads.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Cameron Circle T

[Jagall75]

31 minutes ago, Cameron Circle T said:

 

Is there enough room there? I know the bbgm is pretty short on these heads.

I know with the TE you can take out 3g.  Not sure about the ts1-Im.  
 

does anyone have address photos of Ts1-Im, ts4, ts3, and TE (or DBM)?

[iamlowsound]

17 hours ago, Klubster said:

For those that have been put off buying a single club, this is as close to a free trial club as you can get.  Saw on GW site.

"JimY 

· 5 days ago  

 

You can order just the TS1 or TS1 IM #7 iron head and the Score LT (TT0100) and grip and have it assembled to your specifications. If you are interested in the Club Pak I would suggest calling Customer Service at 1-800-848-8358 and place your order for the 7 iron. Tell them that if you like it you want to come back and get the rest of the set in the Club Pak. They can work with you and will put a note in your account so that you can get the Pak price."

I did this when I got my TS1 irons. Worked great!

[5 O'Clock Charlie]

7 hours ago, Jagall75 said:

does anyone have address photos of Ts1-Im, ts4, ts3, and TE (or DBM)?

 

I can cover the TS-4's and DBM's. PW, 8, 6, 4 below....

 

 

[sevenputts]

18 hours ago, 5 O&#x27;Clock Charlie said:

 

Having gamed them, as well as ample practice sessions, I find them to be extremely forgiving for the class that they are in. I think @NRJyzr summed it up best above with the technical aspect of the 2.

I've played both the DBM as well as the original TS-1's. I find the 4's to be more forgiving on mis hits than the DBM, in both feel and results. They also perform similar on mis-hits to the original TS-1's in my experience.

Awesome 😎 Thank you ✌️ Your TS4’s look incredible by the way 🏆🏆

[sevenputts]

21 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

What does "super game improvement" mean to you?  The Golfworks and Maltby have a formula to arrive at their categories, where other companies really don't....or at least they don't publish what their criteria is.  Most seem to do it based on the size and appearance of the iron.

 

The first thing to consider is, do you believe that it's possible for a muscleback "blade" to be easier to hit than a large cavity-back?

I have owned musclebacks that I thought  were more forgiving than some large cavity backs yes. That probably had more to do with me having confidence in a club that I had owned for a long time ( my muscleback ) that I simply was in a groove with. My question wasn’t attempting to get to technical, I take the Maltby MPF with a few grains of salt. I just wanted to see if he thought they were forgiving in his experience. 

[sevenputts]

18 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

The TS1M supplies are dwindling so I canceled the ser I ordered. The 8i and the 5i are out. 

Spending more time on course I confirmed for myself that I like the TS1m ove the TS4. But with that said.... I'm not sure anything can knock out the KE4 Max. Dull and non sexy the KE4s still perform...

What shafts are you using in the KE4’s ?