Maltby TS2

[mynameisntshawn]

I’m enjoying those grips, they’re VERY soft, to the extent they’re kind of hard to put on with compressed air because they want to balloon out a lot more than the MCC +4’s I had before. I had to order a few replacements because of this.

[Cwebb]

3 hours ago, mynameisntshawn said:

I’m enjoying those grips, they’re VERY soft, to the extent they’re kind of hard to put on with compressed air because they want to balloon out a lot more than the MCC +4’s I had before. I had to order a few replacements because of this.

 

Punch some pin holes through, going down and around the grip.  This will greatly help to minimize any chance of ballooning

[mynameisntshawn]

Oh that’s a great idea! I’d never considered that. Thats why I hang out on this forum.

[Dennis_Reynolds]

On 9/29/2023 at 12:20 PM, Dennis_Reynolds said:

This is a review of the Maltby TS1-IM irons and the TSW 56 degree wedge. I never post reviews, but I feel like I owe one here as I benefitted greatly from the information you all posted. Skip past the "**** " to get to the club review.

 

I'm a beginner golfer who had never heard of Maltby until 2 weeks ago. I hated my first set of irons, thick soled and heavy offset Taylormade M CGB. I spent years mishitting and topping every ball. There was no question I wasn't practicing much, maybe the range a few times a year where I would leave frustrated about my lack of ability. Any time on the course was spent with friends where I played 100 yards and in. I topped almost all the balls I ever hit, most skidding off 10 yards or so. I had a few decent shots a year where I would get the ball in the air. I am 31 and bigger, but always swinging out of my shoes and getting awful contact. My best friends are avid golfers and I have access to nice courses with them, but was always embarrassing myself and never "one of the guys" in terms of golf. 

 

This all changed in the last month. Determined to get better, I hit 100 balls a day for the last month. I was doing better, but I still hated my clubs, especially the turf interaction. I need forgiveness and something without the offset dialed up to 100.  I stumbled on a recommendation for maltby clubs. I have read everything that is written on Maltby clubs from the last 3 years. @Popeye64 you are a gentleman and scholar. I gathered tons of honest and impartial information from reading your posts. I am now interested in building clubs and plan to dive into that with my best friend.  If you're ever around the Philly area, I owe you a beer. 

 

 

****Anyways, time to talk about the clubs. I ordered Maltby TS1-IM's that came in yesterday. 3i-PW plus a TSW 56 degree. 2 degrees of offset and standard length. Score shafts and lamkin grips. All the standard stuff. 

 

 

The TSW 56 degree is the single greatest club I've ever used. With all my issues, I could not fail to get it high in the air and straight. I was able to control the club distance amazingly well. If you are thinking about a new wedge, I cannot recommend this highly enough. 

 

I was told buying blades was a mistake. I knew these were forgiving and I want to "grow" into a set, so I opted for the TS1-IM over the TS3. Also, the look of the TS1-IM just can't be beat. When I went to the range, I was very happy. I was getting balls in the air no problem. The sound off the club is terrific. The clubs feel so much better than my previous taylormades. I definitely mishit some balls and topped some -- I'm a new and bad golfer, but much less frequently than the taylormades I practiced on for years. I had my 9 iron going ~130 yards and straight. Higher lofted clubs have always been kinder to me. The long irons were a struggle to hit well, but any long irons are for me. Still, I was able to squeak out a few respectable shots with the 4i. My favorite club in my other set was the 8i. I wasn't able to get this 8i going as well as my previous...yet. 

 

The grips are just OK. I dont like to use a glove and I didnt have a ton of issues, but they aren't very grippy or aren't soft. They are no doubt serviceable. I have little to no experience or knowledge with shafts. My swing speed is almost certainly sub 75 mph, but I was launching balls high and with respectable distance. I can't put my finger on it, but these shafts feel 10x better than the steel ones golf galaxy put into my taylormades. 

 

 

I hit ~230 balls at the range and was much more improved on the 2nd half than the first half. Mishits now tell me where I mishit, as opposed to the general "thunk" my previous clubs gave me in terms of feedback. These clubs were hit much better with a slow smooth swing (probably not a surprise to you all) than anything else. Hitting the sweet spot felt amazing. As I went through balls, I was improving. I feel better at address that I did previously at well. No longer wrestling to get the club face just right with the offset or anxiously twisting my wrists.

 

My range partner is a 7 handicap with custom fit Miuras. He really liked the clubs and crushed the 3I over 200 yards and straight. He seemed very surprised by how nice the clubs were. 

 

 

I undoubtedly need more range time with these clubs and practice, but these are quality irons that I will grow into. I had some of the best shots i've ever had at the range, but need to get my consistency and overall golf skill up. These clubs were working with me, where as my other clubs I had to fight against. The best feature has been just the way they feel. Light and heavy all at the same time. I'm sure the TS3's are amazing and more appropriate for where I am at, but even by a terrible golfer like me, these irons can be hit very well with ease. These are quality clubs, far exceeding my Taylormades that cost more used than these irons do new. 

 

 

I would appreciate any recommendations on drivers/woods/hybrids. I currently am using a Ping G10. I just learned how to drive and can pop them about 175-200 out. I have a used Nike Sasquatch lucky 13 coming in and an old taylor made Vsteel 5W. All of a sudden I'm really fascinated by clubs and really into finding value in older clubs. For a player like me, I dont need the best and newest, but a little forgiveness and help never hurts. I was eyeing up some higher lofted hybrids. Ke4 max hybrids seem interesting, same as the pxg 0211, cobra baffler. Any recommendations appreciated, especially any Maltby clubs. I'm a fan for life now. Sorry for the lengthy dissertation. 

 

 

 

 

I wanted to provide an updated after ~300 more range balls and a round of 15 holes (cut short by a sundown storm). These clubs are excellent and I've improved already in the short time I had them. I was plunking my 8 iron ~120 yards and with shots going high multiple times in a row. I've never had this sort of consistency before. I used to yell "watch your ankles" to my cart mates because I would top everything and it would roll on the ground. I had some mishits, but they are less severe and much less frequent. 

 

I got my first ever par on a ~160 yard Par 3. There was a par 3 on the back 9 where I hit a 6 Iron off a tee 135 yards over the water and fell back into the bunker guarding the green. I've never hit an iron off a tee or gotten that close to the green from the teebox. It was my best round by far. I hit all 7-PW often and reliably , but particularly my 8 iron. I had some pretty decent shots with my 3i and 4i at the range warming up, but was too inconsistent to reach for the club on the course. It will be a good opportunity to improve. The fact that I recently started hitting a driver a few days before (only about 175yds in the wet conditions) made it even more fun. I want more distance on all my clubs, but every time I put more speed or power into my swing its a guaranteed mishit. 

 

 

My TSW 56 deg. wedge was my favorite club the first day at the range. Couldnt hit it any other way besides high and straight. We had wet conditions  for 7 days leading up to our tee time, and it was defintely soggy. I had some awful luck on the course out of the long and wet rough with the club...I wasn't following through well admittedly. I got that straighten out after the first 5 holes and had a handful of shots land nicely near the green. I had a few go right at the pin from the rough, but I also had a few I sailed over the green. I had a few chips/pitches that I left well short because I was afraid of sailing it. I just had bad touch too often. Another area to improve. 

 

 

For anybody on the fence, I would take the dive. I spent a ton of time researching before I bought.  I could not be any happier with my purchase. The TS1-IM's are forgiving without looking the part, and a really great value. My previous Taylormade M CGB Irons  cost as much used today as the New TS1-IM's. I'm much better and more consistent with these irons after 5 days than I was with my previous clubs after 5 years. I've finally started playing golf and have turned an embarrassment into an addicting hobby within a short time. 

[ThinkingPlus]

So I placed an order yesterday afternoon with Golfworks for shafts, heads, and grips. It shipped today. Should receive everything on Thursday. Not sure how I am so lucky, but I am grateful.

[Cwebb]

1 hour ago, ThinkingPlus said:

So I placed an order yesterday afternoon with Golfworks for shafts, heads, and grips. It shipped today. Should receive everything on Thursday. Not sure how I am so lucky, but I am grateful.

 

What have you got in the works?

[mynameisntshawn]

The quickest an order has ever left the warehouse for me is one week. And that’s without any club building, custom work, etc. just buying off the shelf components. 

[bekgolf]

15 minutes ago, mynameisntshawn said:

The quickest an order has ever left the warehouse for me is one week. And that’s without any club building, custom work, etc. just buying off the shelf components. 

 

My last two were shipped within 2 days of the order being placed.  Both were within the last 6 weeks.

[ThinkingPlus]

35 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

What have you got in the works?

Completing a set of TS4s. Built a TS4 6-iron a month ago. Liked the feel and ball flight better than my TS1 (not dramatic, but still a bit better for me). Ordered GW thru 7-iron with my preferred shaft of Steelfiber FC80s and GP CPX grips. I've played the TS1s for roughly 5 years. They have been very good, but the TS4s will be a subtle and refined upgrade. Looking forward to putting them in play next week.

[ApostateDrive]

25 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Completing a set of TS4s. Built a TS4 6-iron a month ago. Liked the feel and ball flight better than my TS1 (not dramatic, but still a bit better for me). Ordered GW thru 7-iron with my preferred shaft of Steelfiber FC80s and GP CPX grips. I've played the TS1s for roughly 5 years. They have been very good, but the TS4s will be a subtle and refined upgrade. Looking forward to putting them in play next week.

 

The closeout price on TS1/TS2 heads makes me want to grab a set for a rainy day, but I wonder if they're too close to my TS3 set to bother. 

[ThinkingPlus]

8 minutes ago, ApostateDrive said:

 

The closeout price on TS1/TS2 heads makes me want to grab a set for a rainy day, but I wonder if they're too close to my TS3 set to bother. 

I would expect a little lower trajectory (based purely on vertical CG) with the TS1/2 heads vs. the TS3 although I have never hit the TS2 or TS3 heads. The price is favorable though.

[ApostateDrive]

35 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

I would expect a little lower trajectory (based purely on vertical CG) with the TS1/2 heads vs. the TS3 although I have never hit the TS2 or TS3 heads. The price is favorable though.

 

Agreed. My only concern is the polymer in the head. I wonder if that stuff goes brittle over time if I'm gonna put the heads away for a few years or whatever. As silly as it is, that's part of the reason I enjoy the TS3 so much. Something about knowing they're all metal. 

[ThinkingPlus]

23 minutes ago, ApostateDrive said:

 

Agreed. My only concern is the polymer in the head. I wonder if that stuff goes brittle over time if I'm gonna put the heads away for a few years or whatever. As silly as it is, that's part of the reason I enjoy the TS3 so much. Something about knowing they're all metal. 

The polymer is probably OK as long as the heads are kept somewhere away from extreme temperatures. 

[wantacigar]

6 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

The polymer is probably OK as long as the heads are kept somewhere away from extreme temperatures. 

So if my clubs reside in the trunk of my car for 95% of the year through winter, spring, summer and fall, the polymer filled clubs may not be a good idea?

This is not tongue in cheek BTW.  I'm serious.  Especially those days when it hits 90.  This will make me seriously reconsider the TS1-IM which I was considering this winter.

[ApostateDrive]

2 hours ago, wantacigar said:

So if my clubs reside in the trunk of my car for 95% of the year through winter, spring, summer and fall, the polymer filled clubs may not be a good idea?

This is not tongue in cheek BTW.  I'm serious.  Especially those days when it hits 90.  This will make me seriously reconsider the TS1-IM which I was considering this winter.

 

Yeah, this is what I was thinking about when I chose the TS3 over some others in the TS series. I'm sure I'm just being OCD, but I really wonder about the stability of the polymer blends that club manufacturers are seemingly injecting in every single iron possible. Not that my club ho ways really allow for it, but I'd like to know that my irons are as "stable" as the day I got them if I'm still gaming them 5-10 years down the road. KISS, and all that, I guess?

[wantacigar]

12 minutes ago, ApostateDrive said:

 

Yeah, this is what I was thinking about when I chose the TS3 over some others in the TS series. I'm sure I'm just being OCD, but I really wonder about the stability of the polymer blends that club manufacturers are seemingly injecting in every single iron possible. Not that my club ho ways really allow for it, but I'd like to know that my irons are as "stable" as the day I got them if I'm still gaming them 5-10 years down the road. KISS, and all that, I guess?

Thing is I REALLY want hollow body irons ALA P790, P770, TS1-IM, etc.  Can't afford the TM clubs.

[ApostateDrive]

11 minutes ago, wantacigar said:

Thing is I REALLY want hollow body irons ALA P790, P770, TS1-IM, etc.  Can't afford the TM clubs.

 

At Maltby prices, if you have to replace the heads 5-10 years down the road, you're looking at like $50-$100/year breakdown in cost, which is peanuts for golf. So it's probably just an asinine thought experiment that guys like us discuss because we spend too much time on forums. 😂

Edited October 3, 2023 by ApostateDrive

[wantacigar]

7 minutes ago, ApostateDrive said:

 

At Maltby prices, if you have to replace the heads 5-10 years down the road, you're looking at like $50-$100/year breakdown in cost, which is peanuts for golf. So it's probably just an asinine thought experiment that guys like us discuss because we spend too much time on forums. 😂

SO TRUE....SO TRUE.

[ThinkingPlus]

3 hours ago, wantacigar said:

So if my clubs reside in the trunk of my car for 95% of the year through winter, spring, summer and fall, the polymer filled clubs may not be a good idea?

This is not tongue in cheek BTW.  I'm serious.  Especially those days when it hits 90.  This will make me seriously reconsider the TS1-IM which I was considering this winter.

I don't really know. In general, temperature cycling, extremely hot, or extremely cold temps are not good for clubs. I would think it might be worse for the polymer, but I have no direct evidence confirming any impact.

 

The polymer is sealed inside the head. If there are no leaks then loss of compliance due to drying out is unlikely.  The temperature cycling isn't good for the epoxy bonds because CTE differences between the shafts and the epoxy makes the bond try to rip apart. The polymer might be impacted the same way, but it depends on the material. The designers try to choose materials wisely and match CTE, but it is never a perfect match.

 

Everything is probably OK since we have 5 - 7 years of use data on the polymer injected clubs now with few (none?) reports of polymer failure. This includes all the OEMs as far as I know. The TS1M is 2nd generation for Maltby so typically an improved design. 

[Klubster]

10 hours ago, ApostateDrive said:

 

Agreed. My only concern is the polymer in the head. I wonder if that stuff goes brittle over time if I'm gonna put the heads away for a few years or whatever. As silly as it is, that's part of the reason I enjoy the TS3 so much. Something about knowing they're all metal. 

The polymer will probably outlive all of us, especially since it is not exposed to UV light or air.

[iamlowsound]

4 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

I don't really know. In general, temperature cycling, extremely hot, or extremely cold temps are not good for clubs. I would think it might be worse for the polymer, but I have no direct evidence confirming any impact.

 

The polymer is sealed inside the head. If there are no leaks then loss of compliance due to drying out is unlikely.  The temperature cycling isn't good for the epoxy bonds because CTE differences between the shafts and the epoxy makes the bond try to rip apart. The polymer might be impacted the same way, but it depends on the material. The designers try to choose materials wisely and match CTE, but it is never a perfect match.

 

Everything is probably OK since we have 5 - 7 years of use data on the polymer injected clubs now with few (none?) reports of polymer failure. This includes all the OEMs as far as I know. The TS1M is 2nd generation for Maltby so typically an improved design. 

The polymer doesn't form part of the performance of the club, it's there for sound reasons. Ping doesn't even put polymer in their hollow clubs. So even if the polymer breaks down, it won't effect performance but the sound might change. Since a good deal of the feel of a club comes from the sound, the feel might slightly change as well. Nothing to be worried about though. 

[ThinkingPlus]

1 hour ago, iamlowsound said:

The polymer doesn't form part of the performance of the club, it's there for sound reasons. Ping doesn't even put polymer in their hollow clubs. So even if the polymer breaks down, it won't effect performance but the sound might change. Since a good deal of the feel of a club comes from the sound, the feel might slightly change as well. Nothing to be worried about though. 

Maybe, but the face acts like a spring (basically in mechanical systems everything can pretty much be modeled as a spring). A hollow club face spring rate will be different than a hollow club with polymer behind the face spring rate. Is it a significant difference? I don't know, but the spring rates will be different. The sound will be different as well, as you indicated.

[terry55]

On 9/29/2023 at 10:02 AM, Double4me said:

Question for the club builders. Has anyone used a device like this before to determine swing weight? You can also do this with a diy option with different calculations available. AJ from Elite Fit Golf YouTube did a good video on the process. Anyways I just received some used TS3 heads and I am going to order up some shafts and supplies, but when I build the set I wanted to check swing weight without having to buy a $100 or so scale. So could this route of calculating swing weight be a viable option or am I missing a big flaw in doing it this way? 

 

Thank you for any replies!!

 

I am not a club builder but use this technique when I try to understand different shafts in my driver. SW is VERY sensitive to length. You can get very close to actual SW this way but quarter inches matter. Exact measurements are required to really hone in on the number.  A very good approximation technique.

[Double4me]

6 minutes ago, terry55 said:

I am not a club builder but use this technique when I try to understand different shafts in my driver. SW is VERY sensitive to length. You can get very close to actual SW this way but quarter inches matter. Exact measurements are required to really hone in on the number.  A very good approximation technique.

Thanks @terry55. I was going to add some swing weight weights to my order, I placed it Friday after business hours and called in Monday morning ... but they already sent it to picking so I couldn't add the weights to the order. I did call my fitter and I possibly could take everything to him to check swing weight before I assemble them. But since I don't have my order yet and surgery schedule for the 12th I won't get to the build until mid to late November at the earliest. Something to look forward to anyways 😁. 

[KCEE]

Built up demos TS1-IM with Rapid Taper 105 R+ and TS1 with Recoil 110 F4 to compare with my TM P770 DG105 R300.  Just some range time without a launch monitor.  In the end all are very nice and I could be happy with any of them.  Clearly not apples to apples as I have 3 different shafts, but since I don't own a launch monitor for actual data I just wanted to see how things shook out.  My swing has been on the fritz lately even at the range (I think it may be worse on the range lol), but for whatever reason it was really good last night.

 

Sorry this post is long, but you can skip to the bottom for pics if you want  ;  )

 

TM P770 have been my gamers for 2 seasons now.  Love the look and feel of the heads.  Turf interaction is not quite as good as my old Callaway Apex Pro Forged 16, but the head is more forgiving overall.  I have not liked the DG105 feel as much as the Recoil 110 F4 I had in the Callaways, but it was fitted to me like those and it does work.  In the fitting the P770 beat out everything else with the only thing close being a Miura CB iron at a much higher price.  I brought the old Apex Pro 6i with me and hit it quite well, but everything else I tested is a LOT more forgiving.  Looking at ballflight though I really did like the Apex Pro.  I think it has more loft than everything else and that may be something to consider for my next set.  I prefer to hit the ball as high as I can and maybe some shots will balloon, but I will figure that out with my swing.

 

TS1:  This head looks as good as the P770 and performs as well if not better, but it doesn't feel as good.  I had the same thoughts about the TS2 I built up a while back.  It's not a bad feel by any means, but it just doesn't feel as good even with the graphite Recoils.  It's not harsh, but there is more of a "crack" even on perfect strikes.  It reminds me of the Mizunos I demoed during my P770 fitting.  So yes I would say the TS1 compares with Mizuno, but for me the TM SpeedFoam or whatever works a bit better.  YMMV.  Overall this combo was working a bit better for me than the P770 based on what I saw at the range.

 

TS1-IM:  This head also looks as good anything, performs as well or better and it has the feel to match.  It's a different feel from the P770 and maybe not quite as smooth, but it's top notch.  Now of course it could be due in part to the shaft.  I like Recoils, but I know many graphite lovers do not because they are not as soft as others.  For me they hit that sweet spot of being smoother than Steelfibers, but more stable than many other graphite shafts.  I think the Rapid Taper 105 follows that formula of being quite smooth, but very stable. I tried RT in stiff a while back and it felt too stout to me.  Last night the R+ felt maybe a bit soft, but ballflight looked fine.  TS1-IM looks bigger than the P770 in pics I took, but it's really not when holding them.  Initial thoughts are I like this head a lot and want to build a set, but I would like to get on a launch monitor before that.

 

TS3:  I previously built a demo of this with Modus 115, but I forgot to bring it to the range with me last night.  In previous testing I loved the look and feel.  I'm not sure the Modus 115 was the best for me, but I liked the feel better than DG105 and it performed well.  I'd really like to try the TS3 with RT105 and Recoil against the TS1-IM.  I'm not getting any younger and I like the graphite for shock dampening and I am not always hitting the ball as high as I used to and having the low CoG of the TS3 over the TS1-IM may be helpful.

 

KE4 Max:  Slapped together a 5i head on Recoil 110.  I have not been hitting a 5i well, but man I crushed this thing.  I can see why Popeye gamed these.  Even the bad hits were not that bad.  This head feels really good too.  Very solid and powerful feeling.  I struggle with a 5i off the deck lately and use a 5 hybrid, but have kept one in the bag because we have 3 par 3's that regularly are 5i distance for me and the hybrid can go long which is no good.  It looks a bit big to me, but I'm going to hit this some more and maybe put it in the bag.  I'm also tempted to get a 6i head and put it up against the rest. It's not as pretty as the TS1-IM or TS3, but whatever gets the job done.

 

    

[wantacigar]

1 hour ago, KCEE said:

Built up demos TS1-IM with Rapid Taper 105 R+ and TS1 with Recoil 110 F4 to compare with my TM P770 DG105 R300.  Just some range time without a launch monitor.  In the end all are very nice and I could be happy with any of them.  Clearly not apples to apples as I have 3 different shafts, but since I don't own a launch monitor for actual data I just wanted to see how things shook out.  My swing has been on the fritz lately even at the range (I think it may be worse on the range lol), but for whatever reason it was really good last night.

 

Sorry this post is long, but you can skip to the bottom for pics if you want  ;  )

 

TM P770 have been my gamers for 2 seasons now.  Love the look and feel of the heads.  Turf interaction is not quite as good as my old Callaway Apex Pro Forged 16, but the head is more forgiving overall.  I have not liked the DG105 feel as much as the Recoil 110 F4 I had in the Callaways, but it was fitted to me like those and it does work.  In the fitting the P770 beat out everything else with the only thing close being a Miura CB iron at a much higher price.  I brought the old Apex Pro 6i with me and hit it quite well, but everything else I tested is a LOT more forgiving.  Looking at ballflight though I really did like the Apex Pro.  I think it has more loft than everything else and that may be something to consider for my next set.  I prefer to hit the ball as high as I can and maybe some shots will balloon, but I will figure that out with my swing.

 

TS1:  This head looks as good as the P770 and performs as well if not better, but it doesn't feel as good.  I had the same thoughts about the TS2 I built up a while back.  It's not a bad feel by any means, but it just doesn't feel as good even with the graphite Recoils.  It's not harsh, but there is more of a "crack" even on perfect strikes.  It reminds me of the Mizunos I demoed during my P770 fitting.  So yes I would say the TS1 compares with Mizuno, but for me the TM SpeedFoam or whatever works a bit better.  YMMV.  Overall this combo was working a bit better for me than the P770 based on what I saw at the range.

 

TS1-IM:  This head also looks as good anything, performs as well or better and it has the feel to match.  It's a different feel from the P770 and maybe not quite as smooth, but it's top notch.  Now of course it could be due in part to the shaft.  I like Recoils, but I know many graphite lovers do not because they are not as soft as others.  For me they hit that sweet spot of being smoother than Steelfibers, but more stable than many other graphite shafts.  I think the Rapid Taper 105 follows that formula of being quite smooth, but very stable. I tried RT in stiff a while back and it felt too stout to me.  Last night the R+ felt maybe a bit soft, but ballflight looked fine.  TS1-IM looks bigger than the P770 in pics I took, but it's really not when holding them.  Initial thoughts are I like this head a lot and want to build a set, but I would like to get on a launch monitor before that.

 

TS3:  I previously built a demo of this with Modus 115, but I forgot to bring it to the range with me last night.  In previous testing I loved the look and feel.  I'm not sure the Modus 115 was the best for me, but I liked the feel better than DG105 and it performed well.  I'd really like to try the TS3 with RT105 and Recoil against the TS1-IM.  I'm not getting any younger and I like the graphite for shock dampening and I am not always hitting the ball as high as I used to and having the low CoG of the TS3 over the TS1-IM may be helpful.

 

KE4 Max:  Slapped together a 5i head on Recoil 110.  I have not been hitting a 5i well, but man I crushed this thing.  I can see why Popeye gamed these.  Even the bad hits were not that bad.  This head feels really good too.  Very solid and powerful feeling.  I struggle with a 5i off the deck lately and use a 5 hybrid, but have kept one in the bag because we have 3 par 3's that regularly are 5i distance for me and the hybrid can go long which is no good.  It looks a bit big to me, but I'm going to hit this some more and maybe put it in the bag.  I'm also tempted to get a 6i head and put it up against the rest. It's not as pretty as the TS1-IM or TS3, but whatever gets the job done.

 

    

 

Wow!  The soles on the KE4 Max looks very similar to the TS1-IM.  Is the turf interaction the same?  Hitting both, are they similar distance, strike, etc?

[KCEE]

39 minutes ago, wantacigar said:

 

Wow!  The soles on the KE4 Max looks very similar to the TS1-IM.  Is the turf interaction the same?  Hitting both, are they similar distance, strike, etc?

Bear in mind I did not hit a ton of balls and it was off perfect (although very soft with all the rain) lies at the range.  I thought the TS1-IM was better, but that was a 6i and the KE4 Max was a 5i.  My ballstriking tends to drop way off with the 5i.  I was always a picker except with wedges, but lately I have been very steep for some reason.  Last night I didn't get steep on hardly any shots, but on a few the TS1-IM seemed to perform a bit better.  Honestly the best of the bunch IMO may have been the Apex Pro 16 and the worst may be the P770, but none were bad and they are all slightly different builds.  I was sort of hoping I would swing as inconsistently as I have been to see if one club really stood out as the best, but I finally had a groove going.

[Dennis_Reynolds]

On 9/29/2023 at 11:20 PM, Popeye64 said:

Welcome aboard. I'm actually down by Philly quite often. Daughter's live down by Doylestown and Lafayette Hills. 

I highly encourage you to build a few of your next clubs yourself. You will be surprised at how well you can dial in a club with a minimum of investment. YouTube videos help greatly. 

At the range you will see where in your iron set your performance drops off. As in not being able to get enough height, spin and distance improvement vs the previous iron. As a beginning golfer that might be after the 6 or 5 iron. That's when you reach for the hybrids. Matching a hybrid to the iron loft where the performance drops off will give you back the height spin and distance. Of course you could stay with Maltby but cheap high quality older hybrids are easy to find. The Cobra Bafflers are an awesome club. 

Build the top of your bag slowly. With your skill level you will be hitting Fairways woods just as far as a driver, but with better consistency. Which is fine. It's more fun to hit quality shots and play within your means. So as your skills grow add those harder to hit 3 woods or driver. 

I get on Radner Valley quite often and also play Lederach a lot too. 

 

 

I'm in South Jersey, but that area is beautiful. I play Indian Spring, Golden Pheasant and Little Mill around here. There's a ton of options course wise around here, I love it. I ordered a 5W TM V-steel that I need more work with. I agree with you on older clubs....I've been building up a stash. I picked up Nike Sasquatch driver in a 13 loft and I just pulled the trigger on 3 different hybrids on Ebay - Bridgestone Tour B Xd 21 deg , Adams Idea Super XTD 17 deg, and a Cobra baffler 24 deg. All for $150 total shipped. I will let you know how I do with the hybrids. 

 

 

I'm playing a round on Sunday. I've never really kept score, but I want to break 115. We shall see....

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I'm in South Jersey, but that area is beautiful. I play Indian Spring, Golden Pheasant and Little Mill around here. There's a ton of options course wise around here, I love it. I ordered a 5W TM V-steel that I need more work with. I agree with you on older clubs....I've been building up a stash. I picked up Nike Sasquatch driver in a 13 loft and I just pulled the trigger on 3 different hybrids on Ebay - Bridgestone Tour B Xd 21 deg , Adams Idea Super XTD 17 deg, and a Cobra baffler 24 deg. All for $150 total shipped. I will let you know how I do with the hybrids. 

 

 

I'm playing a round on Sunday. I've never really kept score, but I want to break 115. We shall see....

I've been having trouble hitting the 5i so I wanted to try a hybrid.  Picked up a Cleveland DST 5i 26* for $39.99 at a store that sells used clubs.  This has been the most consistent club in my bag and I reach for it even if it's not enough club and give myself a pitch or chip into a green.

[ApostateDrive]

Idk if posting links is allowed or not, but there is a set of TS1's that hit the 'Bay this morning for a pretty good price and the seller looks like they're taking offers.